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Empiree:
And you Christians claim multiple wives is wrong yet you have bunch of side chicks outside.

Fornication and adultery is sin and those who practice such will not enter gods kingdom.

Who are you people deceiving?. The article I posted, i guess you didn't read it to comprehend. Are those pastors with multiple wives any less Christians?.

They are sinful people , sinful christians if at all they say they are christians.

In the old testament, men of God married multiple wives.

they where allowed to

In the west where polygamy is outlawed, they allowed. mistresses aka side chicks. Who are you people deceiving?.

Those who do such are dicieving only themselves.

By natural instinct, i meant fitra. It is not about allowing our soul to control us as you put it. Stop deceiving yourself.

So instead of calling her mistress, you call her second wife. Bro its the same desires of the flesh that is worrying you both.

Stick to the wife of ur youth, love with you heart if you have one.

Empiree:

http://folasophical.com/?p=1965

Galatians 5: 13 - 26. Go read it.

When natural insticts control you, fleshly desire determine your laws, then you have a long way to go.

When god created adam and eve, he created them male and female! Not male and females!
In intituted marriage between one man and one woman! .

What do you need two, three wives for?.

If you think males should marry more women due to population differences, then allow women marry more than one man in countries where men are more na! .

Your prophet allowed you to marry up to 4, Even at this he still broke the rule.
Find comfort in the breast of ur wife, do not seek anothers. You Muslim women, love ur husbands as urself, do not seek another womans husband and love.

Empiree:
See christianity marriage ethics. So pathetic. Read what this guys had to say on another thread:




Islam on the other hand addresses natural instincts. A lady married to a wrong guy who can care less about her and this guy said it will be sinful according to his christian faith if she divorces him. What type of religious Law is this?. Islam permits man to marry up to 4 wives. While divorce is frown upon, it's absolutely permitted if there is legitimate reason to do so. Your marriage and divorce law stinks

Yep, natural instincts, its controls you guys.

yazach:
Listen everybody!!!
Did you know that the OP Malvizguy is cursed?

He said the biblical prophets did evil just because they marry more than one wife

Na you curse am?!! .
Abi you dey the meeting wey dem make the announcement?!

Empiree:
Ok, listen bro. There are some differences in their obligatory practices and it's all called "As-salat" i:e obligatory prayer binding on them and their people. It was prophet muhammad(SAW) that perfected everything. Let me give you example. Fasting was mandatory on Moses(AS) but he fasted for 40day. But at the time of Muhammad it was 30days. Point is Fasting was obligatory but manners are different. What are the manners?. At the time of Moses(AS) they would fast from tonight until the follwing night without breaking. But at the time of Muhammad it was from dawn until sunset (same day). So Muhammad(SAW) was sent as ar-rahman (mercy) for mankind.

Bottom line however is ALL prophets and messangers came with one and same message i:e La illah ila Allah (There is no deities besides Allah(God). This is the message Jesus(AS) came with.

"And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me." (21:25)

Quran confirms that Jesus(AS) came with same message:

(Qur'an 3:51) Surely, Allah is my Lord and your Lord; so serve Him alone. This is the straight way.'


Well, we add more as we deem fit. I am sure you are yet to review the whole threads. A lots said there. Titles may deceive you because we derailed there back n fourth just like this one. Ask malvis, he knows we discused a lot there

Message of all prophets and messagers is one and the same which is God Is One. There may be differences in Laws due to places and time. Forinstance, in Mosaic law, adulterers are to be stoned to death. This is still there in your bible even though it has been interpolated in New Testament. The fact that Jesus(AS) said he did not come to let go Moses's Law defeat Christians argument. So Sharia Law is more magnanimous.


^ Prophets Laws dont have to be the same. Laws change overtime until the time of last and final messanger, Muhammad(SAW). I can give more examples like not eating pork, drink alcohol etc

Oga, I said the Mosaic law, practices and way of worship of moses and its people is different and not same as that of islam , mphamed and the Islamic laws are you are now trying to explain the difference. I already know its different na. So pls dnt say they are the same again.

Empiree:
Were you not here some months back?. Definitely you were around. Malvis knows too well what i am talking about. And if you are so curious, then feed yourself (below). In order for Muslims to avoid repetitions, we have put together threads to avoid situation like this.

https://www.nairaland.com/2291292/rebutals-library-solution-recycled-topics

If your statement "here some months back" mean I was in the religious section of nairaland some months back , the answer is yes, but I do not go through every thread on the religious section sir. So if I'm around does not mean I have seen or know all the topics discussed on nairalands religious section.

It is not a matter of curiousity, what I've learnt so far is that the Islamic laws, ways and practices of it prophet and adherents is not in tandem with the mosaic law, the ways and practices of its prophets and adherents.

The thread you directed me to does not address my views .

Do those who follow islam follow the mosaic law and Jewish practices as stipulated by moses?.
And pls dnt come up with the usual story that the original law giving to moses has been lost or changed, and the real law giving to moses was now re introduced by a foreigner thousands of years later.

Empiree:
Joke!
Where in your Bible Jesus(AS) did any of these "particular attitude" [i:e dancing, druming, jumping, screaming, dramatizing, speak in tongue]

You have a wrong view of Christian practices, but I wunt go into it with you yet.

Ill ask you who wants to knows about Christian worship , to first clear some issues about ur worship, do you support islamic songs, or actions and Mode of muslims where they sing and dance? And use musical instruments? What is ur prophets view of these and can we see specific instances he performed any of these actions?

Empiree:
You obviously not being honest with yourself. Wont waste my time with analysis. Everything you tainted up there are actually discussed at various threads months ago.

That's the excuse you guys use, "it has been discussed before" , someone has answered the question before", it has already been addressed.". If someone puts an issue in front of me , I either remain quiet, tell the person "I don't know the answer" or that I "refuse to answer the question", or go ahead and give my own post on the view. And if there are post posted on the issue that I'm aware of and agree to its contents, ill direct the person to that specific post or set of posts.

If its been addressed before does not mean it can't be addressed again or re-addressed.

Empiree:
bla bla bla. Patterns indeed. Goodluck man. You got problems. Way of worship brought by Jesus (AS) was the same one practiced by Moses(AS) and prophet before him. It is the same way of the prophet muhammad(SAW). We see this in your Bible but you people simply snubbed.

Same worship practised by moses same as the one praticed by mohamed!?
Where did mohamed practise the sacrifice of animals as done by moses.
Where did moses allow sex with slaves as allowed by mohamed.
Where did mohamed allow the release of slaves as it is speculated in the mosaic law.
There are many more differences and modifications between the mosaic law and its mode of worship and the sharia law and muslims mode of worship and yet you say they are the same.

Abeg, we all know that the Islamic laws and practices are a modifications of mosaic , secular Arabian, babylonian laws and practices and rituals.

[quote author=Empiree post=39174835][/quote]You tried, but you failed to link parttern and ways in ur effort to find a problem.
Maybe you dnt really understand , ill try again. Their are examples, patterns and guides set in the scriptures as to how jehovah wants people to worship him. These are stated so that they will not go overboard in their zeal or do things that god does not approve. The overall reasons for these is for people to worship him with truth. If there worship is not based on truth, humility, peace, love, longsuffering, honesty, then it is not right, and those things mentioned are not specific, dnt follow timetable or one particular way. It is the heart of the builder of a place of worship that jehovah looks at when he or they decide to build a monument or a simple structure as place of worship.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 427:
Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin
‘Abbas: When the last moment of
the life of Allah’s Apostle came he
started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his
face and when he felt hot and short
of breath he took it off his face and
said , “May Allah curse the Jews and
Christians for they built the places
of worship at the graves of their
Prophets.”

Ibn Sa’d, page 322:
When the last moment of the
prophet was near, he used to draw a
sheet over his face; but when he felt
uneasy, he removed it from his face
and said: “Allah’s damnation be on
the Jews and the Christians who
made the graves of their prophets
objects of worship.”

The first hadith say "they built the places of worship at the graves of their
Prophets.” and the second say the christians and Jews made the grave of their prophet objects of worship.”

Thanks for the correction. But which of the two is false now cus both statements are not the same.

Empiree:
Yea, right. Tell them. Besides, this might be historically connected. Mode of worship have changed overtime in christianity. As you guys can see, you Christians don't even worship synchronously and meticulously today unlike Muslims. Obligatory salat is the same everywhere.

@malvisguy212 , I am not accusing you of worshiping grave. However, there are pieces of evidence to suggest the hadith of the prophet(SAW) was correct. I said earlier that it doesnt really have to be all christians prophet was referring to. It could have been faction(s) amongst them seemingly-notable enough for the Muhammad(SAW) to have condemned building House of worship over graves. Read below article gives a clue of possible early Christians built their churches over graves of saints and worship them. But with time, I believe, with emergence of "Protestant Christianity", the act faded away.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/rome-catacombs

Prophet mo said they build the places of worship at the graves of their prophet. Your prophet fails to prove this as true and neither did your website.
You guys have spread the chances of one being declared a Christian prophet so that you can possibly find one man in which this statement is fufilled, he did not mention one,and u have still brought out non.

There were graves in which some false christians in the early centuries gave reference due to their false ideology, but they did not build places of worship their!

There are places of worship in which people are also buried in the compound, but it is not a graveyard that has a place of worship built on it, but a place of worship that has a graveyard built around it. Do you get the difference? The place of worship was not built because it was a grave for any Christian prophet!.
If you find those places of worship where you have graves, it was the place of worship first , followed by the graves(probably of members).
Even false christians know where to draw the line.

Mo has given you guys an opportunity to always speculate, manouver and choose the best possible answer as the correct one just to show others that ur prophet is right. How has he done this, he did it by not being specific and detailed in his statements.
I did follow the thread on camel urine, fly wings and ishmail and found out that the non addition of data that can be used to find out if mo is right or wrong are not there, as he deliberately removes time, date, names, location, reasons and other vital info .

Christians are not giving a mode of worship like you guys. They are followers of Christ and follow the pattern set by jesus and that of his early disciples. They pray according to their hearts desire and not controlled by time and season, their salvation is not dependent on how many times they pray , but on their heart condition. Praying in the cleanest place hundred times a day does not guarantee that ur prayers will be heard cus jehovah who sees the heart and emotions of man uses that to determine the truthfullness of our actions and not by the outward display of holy actions. If allah determines your worship of him by timed response and rituals, then......, but followers of Christ aren't like that.

Lastly, that an organization or individual say they are christians does not mean they are Christ followers or that they do things according to the scriptures , thus use the scriptures to determine next time.

Prophet month said : they build (to construct)the places of worship at the graves(a location) of their prophets(known individuals) . Can you guys give us examples of these constructions.? Cus I dnt think he said they worshiped at the grave as some are trying to imply.

And the only construction I've heard of near a grave is that of prophet mo.

Modified: abeg , who did mo say are Christian prophets . Where were they buried .

@ empiree

The people who are now following God's commands, obedient and submit (Islam) to Him (as Muslims) are now Palestinians. If they also seize to be Muslims, or are wicked in
conduct and forbidden what
God made permissible etc, they could face the same
predicament(banishment).
These are the conditions in
order to have the Deed claim to
the Holy Land not by racial or
superiority as you people claim.

There attempt at sending missiles into isreal to kill innocent children and people is part of their being obedient to allah right?

Bro ,all claim , apart from the isrealites first claim of old, is being done by superiority in physical power.

Simply put. The two conditions are: to faith in God(which including believing in all His prophets and messangers, from Adam, to Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad) and be righteous in conduct. The Bible says the same thing.
Quran and Bible clearly say that Holy Land was given to Jews (being believers and obedient to God at that time) NOT simply becus of being Jews. No, sir.
You dont understand. Thats
why I posted the video to
enlighten you. Please read the
conditions further here. http://
usa.mediamonitors.net/layout/
set/print/content/view/full/3632
Author Naomi Wolf also wrote
on this after she was
persuaded toread thte Bible for
herself. She writes:
"Actually if you read Genesis,
Exodus and Deuteronomy in
Hebrew — as I do — you see
that God did not “give” Israel
to the Jews/Israelites. We as
Jews are raised with the
creed that “God gave us the
land of Israel” in Genesis —
and that ethnically ‘we are the
chosen people.”
But actually — and I could not
believe my eyes when I saw
this, I checked my reading
with major scholars and they
confirmed it — actually God’s
“covenant” in Genesis,
exodus and Deuteronomy
with the Jewish people is
NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY
AND NOT ABOUT A
CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A
WAY OF BEHAVING."
http://beforeitsnews.com/
israel/2014/07/god-gave-israel-
to-the-jews-author-naomi-
wolfs-mind-blowing-bible-
experience-2446712.html
But the criminals who re-wrote
(and changed) the Bible said
that (Deuteronomy 9:5) "It is
not because of your
righteousness or your
integrity that you are going in
to take possession of their
land;..." . This is false
obviously.

Let's look at history again, when god gave the isrealites control over the promised lands, they had control over it until they lost a larger part of it to the assyrians and later all of it to the babylonians, did god put another people who are not abrahams descendants their ? Noo.
Even though god has abandoned isreal as his representative on earth and predicted its impending second destruction like it accurately predicted the first one . We find out that those who claim to be Jews or descendants of abraham today still live in those lands.

Yes the issue is not about ethnicity , for the Jews of today had lost that right to claim one ethnic group since they have intermarried with several other tribes around them from the time they got into that land.
So today , there must still be abrahams descendants in those lands . They are the ones god promised and took to the land.
that promised can only be maintained by their loyalty to jehovah.
If its not the Jews that can lay claim to that land, definitely its not the palestinians as they are not descendants of abraham.
On the conditional aspect , if you feel its true that the palestinians are fulfilling gods will and thus have a right to Jerusalem, BROS , I beg you, biko , preach to the palestinians to wait till they have superior fire power like it was done in the days of old by god. Or else their innocent children will continue to die !

5 It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them
out before you, to accomplish
what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

@ empiree

Honestly, i think i am done talking to you. You are not here for intellectual and textual discourse.

So stating reality, sure fact on what has happened and what is happenning to counter ur views on the fighting between the Palestinians and Jews is not intellectual and textual discourse abi.?
Is it not fact that a Muslim nation took part in ur so called open concentration?
Is it not a fact that the palestinians sent missiles into isreal ? What where those missiles for, to wish them merry christmas and heal the children of isreal? Does stating the fact on ground mean I'm not intellectual?

You are here only to
say and defend wicked people
base on how you feel about
them.

thank god you did not say that I said that what the isrealites are doing is right.
I'm only pointing out ur hypocricy sir, if you say the Jews are wicked cus they are bombing and killing innocent people in Palestine, then kindly accept that the people of saudi Arabia are wicked for bombing and killing innocent people in yemen.
If you say that isreal is wicked for putting up a blockage against the palestinians, then kindly say that the egyptians are wicked for doing the same thing.

I keep throwing the
question to you but you simply
ignore. I asked you and others
to differentiate btw being a Jew (tribe) and religion(Judaism).
You have failed over.

Have you not realized that the question is irrelevant to the issues under discussion.

What I was trying to make you understand is that:
*Allah has never chosen any
people because of any racial or
ethnical entity but he chose
certain people because of
Islam.
*Children of Israel, when they
followed Islam, they were the
best nation; they were Muslims
but others were Mushriks or
Kafirs.

Liar liar!. Do not try to claim what does not belong to you.
The children of isreal where not muslims, you dnt have the same beliefs , laws or religious Practise. Any attempt to say that the laws have been changed will be based on Ur ability to show us the original laws, not the one that was concorted by a foreigner thousands of years later.

*The Holy Land is blessed because of being the place of Allah's Messengers and His Message. Descendants of Jacob, among whom are Moses, David, Solomon and `Isa (Jesus) who are holy prophets, so they can fit the Holy Land.

Moses never entered the holy land, talk less of Jerusalem.
The land has been said to be flowing with milk and honey even before the descendants of isreal stepped foot into it

*The Qur'an addressed earlier the followers of Moses to liberate the Holy Land, they
were afraid to get into the Holy
Land and they made an excuse
for not restoring that land
because they believed that the
Canaanites are too strong to
defeat. They mocked Moses
and rebelled his request, the
story is detailed in suratal-
Ma'idah, 21-26.

That story was copied from the bible which has penned the real events thousands of years earlier in a more detailed format .

*The Holy Land is always the land assigned for the servants of Allah who surrender everything to him not wicked people rulling over it now.

Hmmmm. Wicked people ruled over Jerusalem for far longer a time than good people .
Look at the list below and tell us which one of these was assigned by allah and tell us how long the assignment lasted
A. The Jewish government
B. The british government
C. The ottoman empire
D. The persians
E. The Greeks
F. The romans.

*The occupation of the Holy Land is due to Muslims’ lapsing in weakness and deviating from Allah’s teachings.

In these you are right Bro, if muslims have massacred all the Jews when they conquered the holy land like allah instructed, there will be no Jew today laying claim and controling to that place

The occupation of the Jews to the Holy Land is something casual.
The Holy Land is waiting for the time when there will be holy people who strictly abide by Allah's teachings to deserve it.

You sha want to take these land that was never urs in the first place shaaaa!

As for claiming that the Jews have a right to take Palestine as their promised land, we will say that the verse that reads, (Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you.) (Al- Ma`idah 5:21) means that the promise stands so long as the people given this promise abide by Allah’s teachings. Once they show disobedience, the promise no longer exists. In addition, this promise is not an absolute one; rather, it is confined to a certain period of time. Now, the promise is no more valid, for Almighty Allah says, (We have written in the Scripture, after the Reminder: My righteous slaves will inherit the earth.) (Al-Anbiya' 21:105)

And all these will be achieved through warfare where people, children die abi.? Continue! The whole world is seeing the result of ur attempts to fufill allah prophecy. Just dnt seek the help of the infidels again when things dnt go ur way

To be continued........

MuttleyLaff:
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
Clearing this will depend on what ones understanding of what celestial is or what celestial means

Yep, that I'm waiting for too.

You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil
--the commander of the powers in the unseen world.
He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God
- Ephesians 2:2

The earth was redeveloped/re-created for human beings (i.e. man)

Need scriptural proof of the bold above.

and as such the only beings legally allowed to operated on earth are human beings
(i.e. beings with a BODY made from earth)

All celestial or invisible beings know this
They all understand that a body is needed in order to be legally living and operating on earth
- if any interested, can expatiate and give examples about this

This is how serious this is, even, God, Himself abided by this decree
and didnt make Himself an exception to it
God obtained a body in the person of Jesus, God the Son, to legally operate on earth

Numbers 22:20-34 says otherwise .

The angel that guarded the isrealites on earth did not always take on a physical human body when he guided the isrealites.

The holy spirit did not take up human body when operating on earth.
At bold, God obtained a body for jesus, the angel told Mary that the son she will bear will be called "gods son"
Not "god the son", that sentence does not exist in the scriptures .

MuttleyLaff:
I hear you, loud and clear

Hmm

Haba Chief, you can't have your cake and eat it (too)
Wetin be ''i think both ''is'' and ''was''?''

It's either satan is a celestial being and due to the limitations of human beings' vision, is invisible to human beings' korokoro eyes
and satan, as up to now, remains still being a celestial being and invisible
(i.e. satan had not for a fraction of a second, EVER stopped to be a celestial being or at any time stopped being invisible to human beings)

No one, no human being, bible recorded or not, has ever seen satan before,
so what's with ''i think both (''is'' and ''was'') in my own context''?
What's that all about?

I think one issue should be cleared , are all invisible beings celestial?

Richirich713:
He keeps on contradicting the scriptures with his beliefs, yet he holds on to his words that does not seem logical .

1. He says the messenger is an angel, then says the messenger is almighty god. When he was shown that all angels are created, he refused to accept and says that that particular angel was not created

I contradict scriptures? u the one saying there are other gods even tho Yahweh says there are no other gods besides him.

Do I contradict the bible? Erm no cuz the bible says jesus is God, says the messenger is god, says jesus is eternal, says jesus is worship, says jesus is one with the farther.

Good that you did not say the one sent on an errand is the almighty god.

Pls tell, what did god tell moses to act as in relation to Aaron.
Who is the god of these system of things.

I shown u that particular messenger is more than a creation, for if that particular messenger was jesus then that means he is uncreated and eternal.

Show proof

I believe that messenger is jesus who is the word of God, meaning he is 1 with god in essence.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

It is good to note that things where made through him like my chairs are made through my carpenter.
The word was with god , the word was a god.

He, the word was with god in the beggining , god almighty had no beginning.

2. He keeps on saying Jesus is god , and then says all other gods are false? But he could not explain if Jesus is the father and if the father is god. Cus explaining such will show his beliefs to be false.

Maybe the bible also keep saying jesus is God

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“as we await the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all lawlessness and purify for Himself a special people, zealous of good works.” Titus 2:13-14

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Prove wat false? It proves ur beliefs false about jesus and the holy spirit.

Yep, jesus is a god, is jesus the same person as the father? Is the father a god?

3. He says Jesus is worshiped, yet he did not accept that someone superior said they should show obesience to him.

Is this obesience or is this worship?

And I heard EVERY CREATURE in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, ‘To him who sits upon the throne AND TO THE LAMB be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!’ And the four living creatures said, ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell down and worshiped." Revelation 5:1-14

Good that you have read that the lamb is different from the one who sits on the throne.
Good for you to agree that someone else gave the command.

4. He says Jesus is almighty god, and he could not accept that the same Jesus is subjected to someone. Can an almighty be subjected to someone.?


Looks like the bible again disagrees with u.

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Philippians 2:5-8 ESV

Good that you noted that jesus did not grasp the notion that he can be equal to his god like Satan tried to do, despite being in the form of god, but when he was sent on an errand,he obediently accepted,even to the point of death.
Total humility to someone superior to you.

Bro the bible says jesus is subjected to someone, is the bible contradicting itself?
How can jesus who is subjected to someone be the almighty god?

Let him continue to believe that a messenger is his almighty god. That the messenger came to talk about himself and not the one who sent him.

Correction I will continue to believe in wat all the bible says and not reject it wen it calls jesus or the holy spirit god or Yahweh.

I will continue to follow wat is true Christianity, wat the earliest christians followed, wat the disciples followed, and all of wat the scriptures teach.

And U will continue to follow the 19 century interpretations of modern day JW's.

Funny, where is the holy spirit called god .?

A messenger is ur almighty god.

Empiree:
Waste of time talking to you guys. So far neither of you can differentiate Jews and Judaism. This simple analysis you cant figure out. Religion is neutral...regardless of whether one is jew, arab, african etc. You can subscribe to any religion. Same we talking about here. Being Jewish tribe doesnt mean you practice Judaism even though most of them now do. The Holy Land is NOT free. It is detail in the Quran and even in the Bible that the "Land" was given on conditions. Didnt your Bible says that?. Anyways, watch the video and learn. That's all ima say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY1lPBc-UMI

@ salC
See, I said it, he can't answer why the Palestinians are fighting over a land that the koran shows its not theirs in the first place. Now I feel he wished he had not quoted those verses .

Musl.ms looking for reasons to fight, cus the land was giving based on condition so they feel they must kill the isrealites. A religion of peace indeed!.

What did my bible say about ishmeal?, he will be against his brothers. A prophecy coming true while that of the koran is still in the coolers and all attempt to bring it out has met with disastrous consequences .

tartar9:
did your god kill? YES
did he order his zombies to kill? YES

But it was ur god that gave torah na, abi na another god write am and its not allah again?

SalC:
Aww so all these your "death to Israel" rant even though the Arabs and muslims are the ones dying in droves is coined from you superstitious belief of how your Koran prophesied Israel's destruction?

Wonderful!!
Well that one na una headache.

You talked about and by implication believed the first and second jewish temples and the kingdom of Israel were destroyed. And I couldn't help but ask

Where was the location of this kingdom and temple before they were destroyed?
Are the present day Israelis living in a different kingdom and location from their ancestors?
If No, where were the Palestines when the ancestors of Israel lived there and at what point in history did it become the homeland of Palestines.?
What do you have to say about the Israelis who never left their land even after the said destruction, between them and Palestines who is the rightful owners of the land?

These questions empiree can't fit answer as he has shown us from the koran that the Jews once owned Jerusalem long long time ago. The Palestinians are fighting over what does not belong to them

Empiree:
^ I have spoken, madam plappville. You obviously said nothing reasonable to counter points i raised. You just as confused as your fellow dolphin heart.





You have a blessed day

Those statements hooked you bad!.
You say there is no peace in jerusalem, well we know that as long as you guys are not allowed to rule, there can be no peace there.

You complained that idol worshipers did not allow you space in mecca, when you won the war, you did the same thing idol worshipers did. Let me open a church in Mecca and we will see if you will allow peace to reign.
Untill people do things ur way, you will never allow peace in the world

[quote author=Empiree post=39063458]You confused buddy [/quote
]
In what way sir, I'm I wrong in saying jesus entered the temple to worship his god. Bet you where surprised with my reply, hence you had nothing to say.

That what a person does when he can't reply.

Is it neccessarily the Temple or establishment?. When we said it was destroyed, it means the kingdom itself by which "ruling state" was destroyed including Temple itself. So who rule over Jerusalem now?...Isnt zionist Jews?. Read below what Quran says confirming their pending destruction

Allah (swt) States:

"And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].


See highlighted part?. Read the beginning of this verse quoted showing it was destroyed twice. And the third and the last time (as highlighted) says if they return to mischief on earth again, God will return wrath on them. Ask yourself now. Have they not returned to their wickedness again, killing innocent Palestinians, assassinations, dropping bombs and killing babies, put Arab Palestinians in the largest concentration camp in the world aka "open prison"?. You dont see all that?. The list goes on. So expect nothing but final destruction of the state of Israel. This is not just my opinion. Search youtube and see what some Rabbis have said about pending destrution awaiting State of Israel

1.I like prophet Mo, that guy is smart. He first started by saying what has happened before as if its a new revelation or prophecy , then he now added his own but with a clause or options.
He said : it may be that your lord may show mercy upon you. But[b]if[/b] you return to sins.
Guy, ur prophet na fake, he cannot categorically say that Jerusalem will be destroyed.

2. So it is this quranic verses that you guys read to ginger urself and attack isreal. Well as you can see, you guys have tried to fufill it a couple of times and have failed woefully. Your men have been killed and lands (like parts of Jerusalem that you formerly control have been taken from you.

3. You want Jerusalem destroyed, yet you forget that one of ur Holy site is their. If you are going to be successful , better Start saving pictures of that place.

4. You said something about innocent Palestinians , oga did you watch CNN today. You guys have trained a thirteen year old boy on how to kill with knife.
He attacked, was brought down and you guy ran to social media ranting that the Jews have killed an innocent young guy.
Well that propaganda was busted and the Palestinian leader has shown the whole world that he is a liar.

5. You mention bombs, pls tell us , what are those things Palestinians launched into isreal ,lemon cakes? You throw ur bombs at them , they throw theirs back at you.
Furthermore , what do you call what saudi arabia is doing in yemen ,bombing, killing innocent children and women, wickedness? Did prophet mo say anything about such atrocities? Bet he wunt prophesy about such acts.

6. That concentration camp is surported by you people, if egypt could enforce such blockade then you have no right to say the Jews are wrong to do the same. If fellow muslims could build concentration camp for fellow muslims then...........

Empiree:
Your god worshiped?. He worshipped himself or what?. Who did he worshiped at the temple?

He did worship himself, he went to worship his
God.

Thanks for the info but no thanks. You didn't tell us why the temple was destroyed?. Let me help you. It was destroyed because of their inequities. Quran in chapter 17 speaks about this and that they would be destroyed twice.

The destruction has happened before the birth of moh . So it "has been destroyed , not 'will" be destroyed.

The first time they were destroyed was by Babylonian army. The second time is what you said up there. And that was before the advent of prophet muhammad (saw). Now they are going to be destroyed the third and the last time and this time it will be muslim army. So get your bp up.


smh. Don't get me started with u on this. Your're bible gave conflicting accounts of the story.

The temple does not exist again ,so how will it be destroyed a third time.

Pls show us the conflicting accounts

Rich4god:
The holy site originally belong to the Jews.... After the ressurection of Christ, Christians now call some prominent sites that are associated with Christ "holy" later on made them a place of pilgrimage... Eg is the site of nativity, the tomb, the site of ascension, transfiguration etc.... Along the line, the Islamic jihadist conquered jerusalem, destroyed some of those site and converted others to mosque. Then came crusaders and the knight templars that sacked the jihadist. But there was some little trouble among the Christians, due to denomination, so the muslims didnt really leave. And thats why all 3 have a place in the city of jerusalem. Am not a historian, but something close to this is what happened.

Therefore the Christian books never said those sites should be a holy site or their should be pilgrimage their.

Rich4god:
You shld ask christians same question. Why is their holy site in Jews palour?

Cus the so called holy sites was used and built by Jews.

johnw74:
GOD BLESS YOU SIR


Some avoid giving the Holy Spirit a personal attribute
they think He is an impersonal power, force, seal

Christians of faith know He is a person, know He is God in them
Christians of faith are happy to say off Him:

He is wonderful

He is our counsellor

He is our teacher

He leads us

He has fellowship with us

He talks with us

He is our seal(security) unto the day of redemption

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed(secured) unto the day of redemption.



Some don't know anything about the above, they don't have a personal relationship with Him.





Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

The Father and the Son come and make their abode with a Christian of faith
the Holy Spirit, makes His abode with a Christian of faith.






1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Gal_3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

1 john 5:7 did not say what you quoted up there.

plappville:
You said Yahweh is an angel. And that Yahweh came in the flesh. How can Yahweh the almighty God be an angel? And how can God come and die to save us?
This does not go with the messianic prophecies. Accoding to the bible, God cant die, but Jesus died. Anyway,
Its of no use going over and over again same verses as before. So lets leave it the way it is.
Like i said earlier, the fact that you believe Jesus is God and Yahweh an angel may not be an obstacle to your salvation. Same goes to me that doesn't believe Jesus is God. One thing we share in comment is that. Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah sent to come and die for the sin of all of us. If you believe in his name, you will be saved. So bro, lets leave the work to God. Thanks for ur time. God bless you.

He keeps on contradicting the scriptures with his beliefs, yet he holds on to his words that does not seem logical .

1. He says the messenger is an angel, then says the messenger is almighty god. When he was shown that all angels are created, he refused to accept and says that that particular angel was not created.
2. He keeps on saying jesus is god , and then says all other gods are false? But he could not explain if jesus is the father and if the father is god. Cus explaining such will show his beliefs to be false.
3. He says jesus is worshiped, yet he did not accept that someone superior said they should show obesience to him.
4. He says jesus is almighty god, and he could not accept that the same jesus is subjected to someone. Can an almighty be subjected to someone.?

Let him continue to believe that a messenger is his almighty god. That the messenger came to talk about himself and not the one who sent him.

@ tevinsolt

You said I haven't answered your question, meaning you already have a presupposition about the matter in question....share it.

It is you who claim that man is composed of 3 parts. I believe you made these assumptions based on ur knowledge of the scriptures. You made these assumptions without making reference to the scriptures to support ur views. Hence the dilemma here. I need to know if your view is bible based or on human philosophy and theories. I wunt discuss with you if ur belief is entirely based on human theories and not on the scriptures and realities.

I said you have not answered my question, and I reposted the question you did not answer, here is the question again :
What is the spirit,soul and
body that man is made of?.

Like I said the body is a vessel made from dust. Brain is part of the body, the soul while it is linked to the body it is distinct from the physical body. There's a ME separate from me....the Me that assess my actions everyday is the soul, the me that rebuke my misdeeds is my Soul which is the seat of my will and conciousness.

Is this human philosophy or bible based beliefs, if your post is from the bible, pls quote them for us.

Personally, what assess my actions everyday is my thought or thinking process. That thinking is determined by what I have felt, feeling, seen, seeing,touch ,touching,learnt learning, heard, hearing etc. And all these are being controlled by the physical world.
If I dnt know a word is abusive, I wunt know it is used to abuse me. If I dnt know it is used to abuse me , I wunt get angry when abused with that word. If I dnt get angry, I wunt react to anger. The consciousness of expressing anger is thus determined by the physical world. Hence ur consciouness is determined by ur body.

What rebukes me is my conscience , which is being determined by the knowledge I physically take in with my body.
As a Christian, I read(a physical process) or hear(another physical process) the bible, which helps train my thoughts that eating pork is not bad, but this(conscience) would have been opposite for me if I've been trained or trained myself to follow the koran.

What exactly are you arguing against? Of course the body controls the soul to an extent, An amputee, still has it's conciousness intact, because the amputated organ is not essential for his brain
survival....it only makes sense
that a body that's going to
function in a physical realm like planet earth, first must be made of earth, when the earthly part which is the body dies, it degrades. getting high or drunk impairs the brain, making it hard to make meaningful decisions.
According to the bible, it is
appointed to die once then
comes judgement. Meaning
there's a second death!

1. I'm not arguing, we are discussing about what you have said.
2. We have, both you and I have given known and defendable examples on how the body controls our thoughts and thinking process. But you have not shown with example how the soul controls the body

3. An amputee still has is consciousness intact, but where is this consciousness active? Is it not where his brain is? No matter what you do to the other body parts, as long as his brain still functions, his consciousness will be where that brain is and not where other body parts are.
These helps us to understand that our consciousness is determined by our brain and the info it received and nothing else, that is why if anything affects the brain(but does not lead to death)the consciouness of that person is affected. Let the substance be drugs, alcohol or weed, as long as it touches the brain ability to control the body, it affects ur consciouness. So how do we say that the soul is our consciouness?.
4. Again i ask : What happens to the soul when man loses
consciousness, when man
falls into coma. ?

Man is a spirit.

Is this ur personal theory or is it from the scriptures.

About you not following
philosophy of men, that's just
funny and close minded.

I'm just following biblical directives, unless you say scritural advise are close minded and funny.

@ tevinsolt

Omnipresence, means present
everywhere. If truly there's a
God, and he created the
universe, space and time as we
scientifically know it came to be simultaneously. If God is outside the dimension of space and time then he could see through it all.

I wish you could have used the bible to explain all these. I dnt follow human philosophy and theories..

"Attributes" and "Nature" are being used interchangeably in this case as synonyms. i will paraphrase here. "and God said let us make man in our image, in our likeness.." "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7

The verse you quoted to explain attributes and nature does not even make mention of any of the two.

Me and my brother have the same nature, we are both humans, but we no get the same attributes. They are not used interchangeably, cus they mean different things.

the body is the vessel for the soul (self consciousness, mind, will, emotions), and the spirit is
linked with spirit (God-conscious, conscience) you can pollute your mind which then leads your soul to eternal damnation, or you can feed your mind the right way and
have eternal life.)

You just layed out statements without using the scriptures to support them, to show us ur statements are true.

What happens to the soul when man loses consciousness, when man falls into coma. ?

What happens to the soul when man smokes correct oshogbo weed.? Does the weed affect the soul or body. For if you say the weed affects the body, then its the body that controls the consciousness and not the soul. And if you say its the soul, then its the soul that smoked the weed. And if you say its both, then it means that the soul is the body.
You can see that my analogy is also feeding the mind.

At yabaleft, they treat a mans consciousness through the use of physical things like drugs administered on the body.

You cut a mans legs off, you cut his hands of , you take his liver, you transplant his heart, you take his blood and tranfuse him with another blood . You then take all this parts and carry it from abuja to timbuktu. Where is that mans consciouness? Abuja or timbuktu? This will tell you that the brain is in charge of our mind. And the condition of that mind is mostly determined by what the body feeds it, either to pollute it or feed it with good things.

You have not answered : What is the spirit,soul and body that man is made of?.

"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." John 4:24

Is man a spirit ?

tevinsolt:
Man is also spirit, soul and body, ur point?

Essence means the abilities, the nature. Omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence are attributes of God angels or human don't posses. Jesus and the holy spirit are those things

1. We van discuss the other 2 later, but what do you mean by omnipresence .?
2. Are you talking about attributes or nature?
3. What is the spirit,soul and body that man is made of?. How do they make up man? How can we identify each in man?

@ mrpresident1

They will be regular people, righteous people who made it out of the great tribulation that is presently ongoing.

Ok, that means they will not experience death right?

Are they the ones raptured?

will come back to the statement "the great tribulation that is presently ongoing" later.

When he comes, we will be like him.[quote]everyone? Including those left on earth after the so called rapture?

Interesting, will look into this soon.

And also there will be no going
to heaven for them right?

There is no heavens up there in the skies, heaven is
rulership, earth is followership. 144,000 firstfruits as will rule as Christ over the multitudes
who have been redeemed.
Everyone will be on earth
here.

So are you saying that those to be raptured will remain here on earth ?