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@ Mrpresident1

Question 1
There will be a new Heavens
and a new Earth; a new
rulership and a new people.
The earth will remain, the
people in the new earth will
have their hearts circumcised
by God, they will be given the
software of incorruptibility, there will be no more sin or sorrow, we will all be righteous.

Who will these people in the new earth be?.
Is this the only thing that will happen after the so called rapture?

Question 2.
There will no more be followers
of Christ. Everyone who makes
it into the kingdom will be like
Christ. New bodies, perfect
hearts, sinlessness.

I never asked about those who make it into the kingdom, Unless you mean that those left after the so called rapture all are or make it into the kingdom.
Since there will be people on earth after the so called rapture, are you saying that non of them will be following jesus? If some will be following jesus, what will happen to them after they follow jesus to the end.?

Question 3
The tribulation is now ending.
The tribulation is what the
Negro blackman has passed
through hitherto. The Negro is
the original Israel but he was
punished by His God for his
wickedness. When Christ
returns, the new Israel will be
made up of all people
regardless of their original
lineage. Everyone who fears
God and does what is right in
His sight will be accepted into
the kingdom.

Are you saying that the tribulation as recorded in the scriptures is ongoing ?

Question 4&5
'Rapture' actually is the return
of Christ into every deserving
individual, the criteria being
being hitherto God fearing in
the past kingdom and also
having chosen those things
pleasing to God in the past
kingdom. The return of Christ I
liken to a software and
hardware upgrade, we will be
given the software of
sinlessness and our bodies will be changed into an
incorruptible form. God Himself will dwell in us which God is the Word, so we all who make it will have the Word as our working software, our operating system.
There is no Jesus Christ flying
down from the skies.

And also there will be no going to heaven for them right?

basilico:
I am trying to understand about your opinion. caravan raids stopped . Jihad began.
historyofjihad.org is a good source...Booty, paradise sex slaves greatest motivators .
Till today.

Jihad began, but not in mecca after peace was realised.
Other areas will experience the peace of islam, only if they do the things the meccans did. And that is succumb to the peace of islam.

These are questions I want all to consider and possibly answer.

1. What happens after the event of the so called rapture.
2. Will there still be followers of Christ left on earth after the so called rapture?
3. If there will be followers of Christ left after these so called rapture, what will happen to them, will they die during the tribulation or the war of armagedon or will they survive it?

4. If they die, what happens to them?
5. If they do not die, what happens to them?

Richirich713:
Yes according to ur interpretation.

U say others are called god but ignore how the bible mocks those false gods.

Jesus is obviously not a false god, when jesus disciples called him God they did not say he was a false god.

You keep on saying there is only 1 god, that all other gods are false, yet you now say jesus is god!. Is jesus the father? Are they the same person ?
If jesus is not the same person as the father, is the father god too?
If the father is god, then don't we have two persons who are gods?
If we have two gods, does this not contradict you when you say there is only one god and all others are false? .

Remember, jesus is subjected to god!!

History supports the muslims when it says islam is a religion of peace.
Mecca was not peaceful when they were persecuting prophet mo and his followers. The clash was based on which god(s) should be worshiped in mecca,(remember , these worship also determines the political landscape). Years later, the god of islam won mecca and their was peace.
So what has it taught us.
Islam is peaceful as long as they have their way, for:
1. The raids on the caravans stopped once they took control of mecca.
2. The war of the gods of mecca stopped and their was peace once they pursued the other gods out of mecca.
3. There will be no war but peace if you totally submit to their demands.

So islam is peace, as long as you do things their way!
.
If you want to test these assertations and see if peace in islam is not based on these 3 above. Pls take another religious book into mecca and start teaching ur religion there.

If you are lucky , your case will be treated the way the meccans treated prophet mo. But if you are unlucky!!

Richirich713 's issue is more complex and cannot be solved by just quoting the scriptures. He has made up his mind to see what he only wants to see and has also decided not to look into things, statements , issues that might prove him wrong.
Imagine , an angel is the almighty god.
A messenger came, but he did not come to give the message o, he only came to tell about himself.!

The scriptures, jesus himself has shown several times that the father is superior to him. That the father is his god. Yet some will keep on searching for words and human based philosophy to prove jesus wrong.

Remember, the head of Christ is God!!!

Richirich713:
Unlike you I'm not willing to ignore where the bible says the Angel is God.

I accept what the bible says everywhere.

Bro, the bible did not say the "angel is god". It was ur view that the angel was talking about himself when he said he is the god of abraham that makes you think that the messenger, a servant is the almighty god.
And if we follow ur view , it means that "god is an angel" or rather "god is angel".

Richirich713:
If God created jesus then gave him glory, jesus should being saying that the father should return the glory which he had not which I had with you.

Had with you means he had glory with God, which means he shared something.

Bro, "the glory jesus had with god" simply means "the glory jesus had with god" . Jesus did not have the glory with angels, he had it with god. Jesus glory is from god.
God giving jesus glory does not limit his own glory.
Osinbajo has glory with buhari, later osinbajo asked buhari to glorify him with that glory he had with him before. This does not mean buharis glory will reduce or will be shared.

What is the result of that request for glory by jesus ? Read Phil 2:9-11 Bro.
Does that make him almighty god ?

Richirich713:
The angel called himself God and the angel is called God.

So Bro, ur god is an angel. Thanks for sharing that info with us.

Richirich713:
Jesus did not say glorify me wit the glory I had.

So what's the difference between the above and below

He said

"And now, Father, glorify me IN YOUR OWN PRESENCE with the glory THAT I HAD WITH YOU before the world existed." John 17:5

Richirich713:
That's not even the point, the point is it is false to say God says it's OK for us to call others God or to call ourselfs God.

Why are you bringing out an unnecessary point. No one has called anyone that the scriptures did not call a god with the title "god" na. And to the best of my knowledge, no one here has called him or herself a god.

It is you that has not adressed the points posted earlier .

Richirich713:
If that ain't sharing or giving glory then I don't no what is.

If God the Father is not sharing his glory with jesus what glory is he giving back to jesus.

Did you read jesus request? What glory did jesus ask for? Goes glory or his glory ?.

Richirich713:
that's doesn't contradict the trinity cuz the trinity teaches that Jesus is fully human nd fully God.

Maybe you did not read john 1:14
"and the word became flesh .
Bro that was why jesus was concieved. To become totally human so as to prove to Satan, to us , and to every living being that heard satans challenge that man can indeed serve jehovah, even till death without sin.

Richirich713:
Seems like God is not ok with others being called God.

"They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died. (Acts8:23)

We thank god again, that the almighty god was not mentioned here.

Richirich713:
What, so u telling me angels can go around telling people they are the God of Abraham Isaac David, and they will not speaking against God when he said THERE IS NOT GOD BESIDES HiM.

Why don't u all start teaching u the God of abraham, Isaac if that's not blasphemy according to u.

Maybe we humans are allowed to take all god titles for ourselfs right?

Bro, you are just arguing for arguing sake. This statement of urs does not in any way support ur views.
Read the verses where those words are recorded again and come tell where the angel said he is the god of abraham.

From the bible verses quoted to you so far you still fail to realise who that angel, a servant was reffering to

AdeLaNa1:
James Bond's character isn't supposed to be a stone cold killer. If u've been watching 007 since Dr. No, u'd know this. Daniel Craig's character as James Bond is a disgrace to all James Bond characters.

He's practically a thug for hire. A mercenary. No more infiltrating enemy organisations and strategically outwitting the bad guys. Now, its shoot first destroy everywhere and ask questions later...

Bro, in the real esponiage world, their is no outwitting the bad guys. Its you either kill or be killed. There is no more popular spy like the old James bond.
If you re known, the bad guys will try to capture or kill you.

Daniel Craig enters the hall in a tuxedo and ull know immediately that " that's the bad guy" . The old James bond enters the hall like a foreign diplomat when everybody knows him as a spy.

No more fineboy fighting again. Its Brutality all the way now, the Bourne identity style.

Richirich713:
This is what happens when u don't read ur bible

Then he said, ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.

I thought the father is the only god yet a angel calls himself God.

 "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, (Titus 2:13)

Angel- "I am the God of Bethel (anoki ha El bethel), where you anointed a pillar and made a vow to me"

Seems to me like the bible just said Jesus is God.
And it just said a angel is God.

Thank god, you did not see the word "almighty god" in those verses.

Richirich713:
that's not the point, the point is u said theos should be translated as "a god " ( if there is no definite article, I'm assuming u JW).

I never said such nor implied such. If such where true, then all mention of "theos" should have been translated as "a god". But as this is not so , then it means ur assumptions are false.
I was following ur explanation and used ur explanation on context and "the father" to determine where "theos" should be translated as "god " or "a god" .

So if that were true then from John 1:2 till John 1:18 must be translated as "a god " cuz the definite article does not appear in John 1:2,3,7,18 where theos occurs

And if u tell me it's not so cuz of the context, then I don't no why u asking me why paul is translated as a god nd not God

Look at the statement above. I used ur own view Bro.

Richirich713:
Then why is a "mere man" saying he is the 1st and the last"

Why is a "mere angel" saying he is the God of Abraham, isaac,jacob.

Why is the father giving his glory to a another when he said he gives his glory to no another!

1. Mere man never said those words
2 first and the last of what? Is first and the last a title, name or position that can only be held or called by only one person like the almighty god.?
3. A mere angel never said he is god of abraham ,Isaac, Jacob .
The scriptures helps to explain that that angel has the name of god on him. The scripture helps to explain that he is a servant of god.

4 where did you see the father give his glory to another. ?

Richirich713:
I know the original Greek has no God nd god. The only reason we capitalized the G in god is to indicate the true God Is being spoke of.

Context determines how we translate from 1 language to another language.

It's translated as a god CUZ IT'S REFERENCE TO PAUL.

IF THE THEOS (WITHOUT THE ARTICLE) WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE FATHER SHOULD WE ALSO TRANSLATE IT AS A GOD.

As a matter of fact why don't we translate John 1-18 "a god" everywhere theos occurs without the article.

Should christians translate the bible like that ignoring context completely?

"and the word was a god" . Was the part speaking about the father? No!.

Richirich713:
Wrong the bible says there's only 1 God, beside this 1 God there are no other gods, the other gods are false gods.

Bro, read psalms 82:6, john 10:34
And 1 cor 8:5.

There are no other gods that we should worship. There are no other god that can save us.
That someone or something is a false god does not mean he is not a god .
The scripture calls Satan the god of these system of things. Is Satan a false god? Yes, but he is still the god of these system of things. Or does Satan being a false god not make him a god?

Now who is the "true god" ? Who did jesus call "the only true god" ?
Is that person that jesus called the "only true god " jesus? .
If that person is not jesus, why do you then believe that jesus is the true god when jesus himself has said another person is the only true god.?

You are deliberately refusing to explain the points you said trinity can explain. Tell us how trinity explains those points one by one.

AdeLaNa1:
Spectre better make sense. I've been disappointed wit all Daniel Craig's 007 movies to date. But as a fan of the 007 series since y childhood, i really hope he goes out wit a bang on dis one...

Daniel Craig has brought reality to the identity and character of James bond. No longer the fake "smiling after killing" attitude of old. He is a killer, and killers are not to be portrayed as having good characters.

Richirich713:
Jesus is not mighty God but he is actually a god.
Jesus is not God yet he allows people to calling the God.
God the Father says there's no God besides but John 1:1 disagrees cuz u say a god.
God the Father says he is the 1st and last but jesus a mere man(according to u) says the same.

Bro , the issue is on "almighty god", not "mighty god" or "god" or titles.
The bible let's us know there are many gods and many lords. But are there many "almighty gods" as you are trying to insinuate?

Adress the points one by one

Richirich713:
The trinity explains all this.

How do u explain jesus is not God yet he is eternal and uncreated, the 1st nd last.

Take the points I listed one by one and show us how the trinity explains it. Dnt just say " the trinity explains all these without showing how.
Handle the points one by one

orisa37:
What you saw was CLEANSING NOT ANNOINTING and it was meant for those who needed it. The Camera men were focussed on their Righteous Engagement and in control of themselves.

What is cleansing and what is he cleaning.?
What is he using for the cleasing that resulted in their falling to the ground.?

paulGrundy:
Its good. I hope this is not another medium to start your false accusations against me again?

Good. Continuing, do you see anything good in their choice not to be payed for their services in the advancement of the beliefs? Is it good or bad

Jesus is almighty god, yet he does not his own will but that of another who incidentally sent him.

Jesus is almighty god, yet he himself said he has a god,a god that is superior to him.

Jesus is almighty god, yet he recieves authority from another.

Jesus is almighty god, yet he is still subjected to another.

Jesus is almighty god, yet when he went back to heaven, he sat at the right hand of another.

Jesus is almighty god, yet he himself called someone the only true god.

You say jesus is the almighty god, yet you cant explain the things said above.

Jesus is what the angel told Mary, "the son of god", "the beginning of the creation of god", the "messiah" , the mediator between man and himself? No! The mediator between man and god.

Richirich713:
Clearly the Angel of Yahweh is a self-manifestation of Yahweh, for He speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and claims to exercise the prerogatives of God.

And Yes I'm saying I believe jesus is that messenger who is an manifestation of God in the old testament.

Is the angel of god yaweh, or another person with how own will representing yaweh.?

Richirich713:
That's the problem wit u so called christians. U pick nd choose.

Again if jesus was not the true God, he should have not have allowed people to call him God.

Since he allowed people to call him God either shows he was God in the flesh or was a false prophet who deceive many.

He should not be taking titles of God for himself.

He should not have been telling his disciples to pray to him.

The issue is not about god, the issue is about "almighty god.

We already know there are many gods, even Satan is one of them.
do we have more than one almighty god? No! .

[quote author=Richirich713 post=38837039][/quote]Pls re arrange the quotes so one can know where you said what .

paulGrundy:
Their stance is unscriptural. Scriptures talks about expeling only unrepentant fornicators, greedy, abusive, worshiper of idols, drunkard and fraudulent men. The list never included stuffs like blood transfusion, military service and working for another religion/political party.

Let me rephrase it for you, what do you think about their stance in expelling those who do the things that the scripture talks about as expressed by you .eg expelling fornicators, drunkards, abusive, fraudulent men. Is there stand on such people good or bad .

juligon:
thanks ...bt u didnt ansa my question to my satisfaction ...i said if the holyspirit is just a power ...why can he be grieved? ...it is only a personality that can be grieved ...not an ordinary power . and why is an ordinary power known as "HE" ..how is an ordinary power able to teach you ALL TRUTH ? to me i know that he his a person and he has both power inside of him ...if the holyspirit was just power ....the bible says " the fellowship of the holyspirit..." take ur time and check the meaning of fellowship to see if u can fellowship with a mere power ...the holyspirit speaks. you see all this manifestation when they is a word of knowledge? it is the holyspirit that speaks ...how can a mere power speak .?

(1). Where did you get "just a power" ,"only power " ,mere power" from.
(2). I which you would have quoted the sentence completely as eph 4:30 says "do not grief the holy spirit of god" or "gods holy spirit". This shows these holy spirit belongs to a person which is god.

(3) First of all, note Paul’s words recorded,He wrote: “Do not be grieving God’s holy spirit, with which you have
been sealed for a day of
releasing by ransom.” Paul did
not want his beloved fellow
believers to endanger their
spirituality. It was with the spirit that they had been “sealed for a day of releasing by ransom.”one now wonders how one can be sealed with a person by another person.
God’s holy spirit was and still is a seal, or an advance “token of what is to come” for anointed integrity keepers.
Read 2 cor 1:22
The seal signifies that they are God’s possession and are in line for heavenly life.

Grieving the spirit is thus doing something that can lead to the total loss of the influence of God’s active force in a Christian’s life. That
this is possible is evident from
what David said after he had
sinned in connection with Bath- sheba. David repentantly
begged Jehovah: “Do not throw me away from before your face; and your holy spirit O do not take away from me.”
He again , he was talking to god about the holy spirit in him. That spirit or force is being controlled by Davids God, jehovah, the father.
We can avoid grieving the spirit if we ‘keep on walking
and living by spirit,’ for then we
will not be overcome by wrong
fleshly desires and will not
manifest ungodly traits. (
Gal 5:15, 25,26)
But that could change. We could grieve God’s spirit to a degree by allowing ourselves to drift slowly, perhaps almost imperceptibly, toward conduct condemned in God’s spirit-inspired Word.
If we continually went contrary
to the direction of holy spirit, we would be grieving it and
Jehovah, the Source of that
spirit.

Note , this is totally different from blasphemy against the holy spirit, an unforgivable sin .

4. Ill reply on the rest when wereve cleared the issue of 1. Above.