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juligon:
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Rilwon:
So you now believe Allah is God of the bible or what?

mubarakopeyemi:
Come again pls I hope you realized you just said Allah.


Please make your points. Thnks. How Family

Thank you but keep ''He died'' to yourself and next time don't give me unsolicited answers

Fair enough and thank you for your blunt and honest answer

OK, do you agree that Jesus when on Earth did teaching and preaching?
Now differentiate teach and
preach - what is teaching and
preaching?
Nota bene, after you, about the
latter, I too will give mine

Guess who the lame clapping is for, guess who the joker painted face is
Apart from the one or two edits, are you honestly, taking the credit for all this?

Ah, I now know what I am against, and know about your water hole too. No wonder.

Why am I not surprised you say this
You've probably by now
changed your tune about this
after your describing teach and preach above

I suggest you scrutinize the TEACHING given by Jesus in LUKE 24: 19-31 properly
yourself, instead of studying the passage with those JW
spectacles you have on

At that time Jesus went down there, the Bible never says repentance is not possible for those down in Hades.

Answering this, depends on which timeframe you're asking this question about, besides time will tell

So you admit and agree there were attempts to change: one for him and the other when
looking out for his five brothers

This is why I earlier remarked: Classic example of an inverted ''be careful what you wish for'' (it might just happen, you just
might get it!)

I said park 1 Peter 4 :6, it was premature pulling it out, besides it was out you badgering I gave you it

I asked you to gnaw on it because it will be a springboard into more details about Sheol

You and I, both know, this piece from you, lacks originality

Nonetheless read about the etymology of Hades I earlier shared a nd see how we
diverge what is Hades? - Here we go again
Hades is the abode of the dead
and it is located in Sheol
- it's like saying Lagos is in
Naija

Hell which has become
synonymous with Hades, is
neither Hebrew or Greek in
origin Sheol is, what you'll find in the original Hebrew text for
any word for Hell In other places, Hades or Hell was the Greek substitution for the part of Sheol where the Rich man is from the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus

As a matter of fact, Hell
actually finds it roots in the
classic Greek mythology,
Hades where Hades interestingly and actually, was the ancient Greek god of the underworld.
This god's name (i.e. Hades)
later turned to mean the place
or abode of the dead, which
actually is exactly what Sheol
is, what is signifies or
represents.

Talking about Gehenna, well it is a valley, a valley in
Jerusalem, used as a dumping
refuse site and so was used by
Jesus to depict the Lake of fire
(i.e. it is a place of destruction,
as in, via incineration, a place
for destroying things)
As earlier mentioned, Gehenna
was the incinerating refuse
dump in Jerusalem
Hades however, historically
and originally is the name of a
Greek god until it got turned
to meaning the place or
abode of the dead
It later got interchanged with
hell, which is from a German
word root

It was bible translators who were substituing the original Hebrew word Sheol (i.e. the part where the dead of the Rich man sort are), with Greek counterparts Hades/Hell that made hell stick with us today

I can draw you further in with unadulterated info on Sheol, but these small and sliced up bits, so far should suffice else you'll throw up or choke on the chunkier others

Your ''view'' on Hades is clearly whack and you aren't totally familiar with this whole Sheol territory business

You do realise, I was serving
back to you there with jest, your remark about the key

No one is not imply anything
anywhere.
We are exercising deductive
reasoning based on other
scripture
So there are keys, but now dont
start again, asking me for the
scriptures about keys or about
the key
For a change, do some proper
and serious work yourself, as I
haven't the appetite now to
spoon feed.

Make your mind up

Easy tiger! You're trying to go cerebral on me now but just made a right mess with a
remark such as this

This is a weak answer
I was expecting a robust
answer. Something like, the
bible states that the ANGELS
CARRIED him over
An answer like that, would've
then prompted me next asking
you: How did the Rich Man then get to Hades?
Bro, the truth(s) in the Bible are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles.
so the onus rests on you to sift
through a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at them and when you stumble on pearls, then dust them down, wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them.

UmuEri:
Ewu Sokoto

mubarakopeyemi:
1- Yes
2- God is God
3- That's not for me to answer. The Christians should then after I will raise my points.

Mine is just that is Bible the word of God?

Hold on to your knickers bro. Dont get too excited with that, No!, of yours
Let's first outline out how far we both agree
Do you agree or not that Jesus
went down to Hades?

Do you agree or not that Jesus
''preached'' down there?

Let's start with showing show hands on how much of Hades there is to know:
What do you know about
Hades (i.e. talk of its layout,
give a description of it and its
environ)

What do you think the alleged preach was all about?

Unlike you, the Rich man doesnt see his situation as hopeless.
He didnt easily give up and he
had a different opinion to yours His fighting spirit is evident and especially noticed reading the two efforts made by him in Luke 16:24 and Luke 16:27-28, 30 So he cried out,
'Father Abraham, have mercy
on me and send Lazarus to dip
the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue.
For I am in agony in this fire.'
- Luke 16:24
27“He answered, ‘Then I beg
you, father, send Lazarus to my family,
28 for I have five brothers. Let
him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he
said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will
repent .’
- Luke 16:27-28, 30
Classic example of an inverted
''be careful what you wish for'' (it might just happen, you just might get it!)

Good try, good try brother, for the moment park 1 Peter 4:6 Instead gnaw on this ''bone'' And he preached to those souls who were held in Sheol, - 1 Peter 3:19
Aramaic Bible in Plain English

This remarkable coming from someone that doesnt believe hades is a part of sheol, nor believes sheol has parts, that it is my view

I know the verse did not say He got these keys in Hades or Abrahams bosom or Sheol or
Hell, so the keys surely were
obtained by means of
abracadabra then.

Clowning aside, please answer this question, how did Lazarus, as in, the Poor Man get over to Abraham's side?

mubarakopeyemi:
Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls

Numbers 31: 17-18

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they were commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they were commanded by “God”.

But the most outrageous is that the Bible imply that God is a Pedophile himself! (Astagfirullah)

Numbers 31: 25-40 (NLT)

[b]25. And the Lord said to Moses,
26. “You and Eleazar the priest and the family leaders of each tribe are to make a list of all the plunder taken in the battle, including the people and animals.
27. Then divide the plunder into two parts, and give half to the men who fought the battle and half to the rest of the people.
28. From the army’s portion, first give the Lord his share of the plunder—one of every 500 of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, and goats.
29. Give this share of the army’s half to Eleazar the priest as an offering to the Lord.
30. From the half that belongs to the people of Israel, take one of every fifty of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, goats, and other animals. Give this share to the Levites, who are in charge of maintaining the Lord’s Tabernacle.”
31. So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32The plunder remaining from everything the fighting men had taken totaled 675,000 sheep and goats,
33. 72,000 cattle,
34. 61,000 donkeys,
35. and 32,000 virgin girls.
36Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats,
37. of which 675 were the Lord’s share;
38. 36,000 cattle, of which 72 were the Lord’s share;
39. 30,500 donkeys, of which 61 were the Lord’s share;
40.[size=13pt] and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share[/b]. [/size]

In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.

All these violence??

The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)
to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD'S share of the 16,000 Virgins was thirty two (preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” .

Its a shame

For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead,
that they might be judged
according to men in the flesh,
but live according to God in the spirit. - 1 Peter 4:6

I am He who lived and died, and behold, I am alive to the eternity of eternities, amen,
and I have the key of Death and of Sheol. - Revelation 1:18

MuttleyLaff:
You tell me, I am sensing you're itching to do, so you have my blessing to do just that

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, He did my able and equally knowledgeable brother
- He went there to preach the Gospel to souls inhabiting the place
and for something else. Like, over keys? I think

MuttleyLaff:
Where you got that Hades is on fire or burning beats me
Hades is on fire or Hades burning is Greek mythology. That is an imported and non-Jewish concept

MuttleyLaff:
Everyone, after drawing their last breath, ends up in Sheol and remain there waiting until boarding to their final and respective destination

Sheol is like being in an airport terminal's departure area
The area where you (i.e. think of the Rich man here) hold your ticket, boarding pass and wait with your luggages before taking a flight to your final destination

Some airlines, as a service to premium or selected passengers operate airline lounges,
providing them with comforts in the lounges beyond those available in the airport terminal's departure area

These choice passengers (e.g. think of Father Abraham and the Poor man here), enjoy plush and more comfortable seating, quieter environments are provided.
Other privileges may include private meeting rooms, telephones, wireless internet access and other business services, along with provision of free drinks and snacks to enhance passenger cobrmfort.
- looks and sounds like a place of bliss, doesnt it?

Sheol too, has a model similar to this:
There is the Rich man's side aka Hades
and there is Abraham's side aka Abraham's bosom aka place of bliss

paulGrundy:
http://biblehub.com/greek/2859.htm

I hope its now clear to all that the greek word for abrams bosom has a double fold meaning.

1. Bosom of a garment
2. A bay, gulf.

MuttleyLaff:
@dolphinheart @paulgrundy
The bottom half of the above post is so muddled up one doesnt even know anymore who actually said what or didnt say what

Q- if the saints of old and present have not gone to heaven as you claim, was Jesus lieing when he told the theif on the cross that he
would be in paradise that day?
luke 23:43
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

Answer: there is no justification
whatsoever for alterations or
insertions in the bible, if the
original greek text wasn't
punctuated or spaced, then its
only wise not to use punctuation as basis to justify a doctrine. This calls to question the disrespect
sects have for the bible.
The funny thing about those
promoting "punctuated
interpretation" is that they teach that salvation is gotten through both faith and works. But the theif on the cross did not “work out his salvation“ he only had faith.
Hence pointing out a flaw and
contradicting a very fundamental doctrine of theirs. Which ever way the comma is placed still contradicts it anyway.

The bible talks about more than one heaven. Apostle paul talked about a 3rd heaven:
I know a man in Christ who
fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or
whether out of the body I do not know, God knows – such a one was caught up in the third
heaven. And I know such a man – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows – how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.” (II Corinthians 12:2-4).

Revelation talked about a first heaven.
Revelation 21:1 - And I saw a
new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Gen 1;1, 2:1 talked about heaven in plural form. Hence we know there are 3 heavens.

In luke 16 when Jesus talked about Lazarus and the richman, he made mention of Abrahams bosom- which greek and hebrew is translated place of bliss- the same meaning with paradise.
Hence there are strong
indictations he went there. How can else can his absence from the tomb be explained on the first day of the week mary came there. Jesus obviously was with the right hand theif in abrahams bosom/paradise/second heaven.

Annunaki:
Epic

MuttleyLaff:
dolphinheart I still have your hand, though you slipped a bit in my hands,
the ad hominem on paulGrundy was unnecessary & uncalled for
You shouldnt have needed to stoop so low to pick up such ammunition to score cheap points
or tried to temporarily disorient paulGrundy senses with such cheap distractive tactics
Stick to the theme of the thread and leave individuals character or sexual orientation out of it

Jessicha:
Gud deepthought questions that they cant answer ! Meanwhile , do you mean the underlined ?

paulGrundy:
dolhinheart, captivator, jozzy and co,

i have another scripture for you to twist.

if the saints of old and present have not gone to heaven as you claim, was jesus lieing when he told the theif on the cross that he would be in paradise that day?

luke 23:43
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, [size=20pt]today[/size] you will be with me in paradise."

lemme entertain myself with comedic responses.

paulGrundy:
mtcheew dont mind the guy, he knows what he's doing. he's was probably having a hard laugh while replying my posts.

Yooguyz:
@paulGrundy, after you addressed that;



dolphinbrain got to dead end, and changed his stance;




this is actually the first time i've seen changed his stance in an argument, boy that was tough. never knew you had a deep knowledge of the scriptures. thumbs up.

mubarakopeyemi:
I suggest we dont start another episode on both Scriptures because there are more than 100 stuffs In the bible that nullifies it from being a word of God. To be honest. It may contain very few word of God. But it contains words of prophets Historians and Individuals.
The Quran is very fine. And it addressed issues in the best way. About those historical parts forget about it. History is also on it's side.

Let's just close this issue.
I won't further on this whole discourse.
Let everyone believe whatever he or she wants to.
Thanks.

ortopazz:
Word . . Thats actually a real dose of the factual ish around!
Yea tis true we not that much as others, back in Sec. School out of 72 guys, Madrid fans were just 3 - 6 buh we represented!

We not that much, but the few ones who are around should just come around, basically for the communionship!

Pressing the ignore button no hard my Bro @ Uscable, we don de do am since na, buh lets get to know ourselves better.


You and I know that some Madrid fans just come read and bounce, me I want them to comment, i think some pages back when I was a lil really inactive, I came back and noticed there was a female Madrid fan that was always dropping valuable points with you Uscab! Buh now where is she?

Na dat kan tin i need no b say we wan pass exams oh!. .

Buh u dey believe KEYLOR NAVAS na. .

but i can suggest where he was taken too-- God took him to your backyard.

if old covenant cleansing is not enough to enter heaven, by your statement you are implying
that those in faith's hall of fame who died before Jesus won't make heaven (acording to your position).

oga some folks has
ressurected and been to
heaven before the
commencement of the new
covenant. mattew 27. hence
you points hold no water.

Are you deliberately misreading my quotes or you don't understand or even read them @ all.
this was what i said;
Q1: does John 3:13 mean that
no man has literally ascended
to heaven?
Answer: that scripture if taken
literally is inaccurate because,
saints have gone to heaven,
mark 12:26-27, luke 9:28-36.
Enoch and Elijah were taken
up without dying Genesis
5:24, heb 11:5, 2kings 2:11.
What then was Jesus talking
about?
In v10-12, of John 3 we see
that Jesus was talking about
his authority and validity of his
teaching. Jesus tells
Nicodemus that he has been
teaching what he knew first
hand v11, then in v13 he
explains why he is uniquely
qualified to teach of the
kingdom-[i] because he alone came down from heaven [/ i]and possess the knowledge to teach people about heaven.
Jesus was claiming diety.
Q2: is Jesus the first person to
rise from the dead?
any way am not suprised. like
watchtower like jehovah
witness.

paulGrundy:
so now the problem is how you want it rendered. interesting. just so you know scriptures are read in their context. ok lemme give another point to attack in v5 of mattew 17, a voice spoke out of heaven which said this is my beloved son in whom am well pleased-- the same thing that happened when Jesus was baptized. can we say that Jesus' baptism was a supernal vision too?

paulGrundy:
there are two greek renderings of the word- vision;
1. optasia-- which means a supernatural appearance.

2. horama-- which means that which is seen.

the greek rendering for the word vision in mattew 17:9 is- horama- meaning that which is seen.

http://biblehub.com/greek/3705.htm

http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/17-9.htm

Those using being born again as the only criteria to make heaven (before Jesus).
Have forgotten Enoch abi??
Who walked with God and God
took him away, did he give his
life to Jesus? (Jesus hadn't yet
come in flesh).

And to even tell lies on Jesus' head, disgusts me!! ):<
Jesus never called the event
at the transfiguration a
parable or vision! He was
visited live by moses and
Elijah!