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Goshen360: Oh, I get you now. That was what I tried explain to Tgirl on one thread. I understand our brother's statement, christemmbassey to mean the new man within - such new man within is the one that cannot sin and born of God. You also agree on one thread that that new man is the real me\you\us. When we sin in the flesh, that new man doesn't partake of our sin else the scripture is broken.

peteregwu: brother does it mean u people dont tithe in your church...why?

striktlymi: What are your reasons for not showing interest?

JMAN05: i have signed up in philoversity but when i tap on the space so as to compose a message on the blank brown space, it doesnt show a cursor. what do i do?

Goshen360: ^ Sometimes, it's like you're tapping my anointing. If na NEPA job you dey do make you stop am o. E be like say you don learn how to TAP people light from one source to another.

peteregwu: Brother, what happens to the commandment of tithes payment in Malachi. Malachi 3:8-10 KJV
"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. [9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. [10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it ."

We have been issued a commandment all ready. Christ came to fulfill the law and to save sinners. Christ did not come to start looking for tithe. it is our own duty to go ahead in fulfilling His commandment. in the new testament the brethren also gave to the lord also, for the work of the gospel. I dont just understand why you guys is just against tithes payment. we should see it as joy to give to the Lord. the tithes are used to take care bills and many other project in the church and also the gospel of reaching out to others. all this things require money, brethren, if the church start giving money to the poor, how many will they give or satisfy. their are some instances that require urgent attention at times.

sometime it makes me wonder if you people are even involved in your church activities. are you a worker in your church brother?

how much is the 10% self? it is nothing....haba! assuming someone is earning 40k now, the 10% is just 4k. is that one too much for God for the whole month?

Reasons Why You Should Not Tithe Today:

1. The tithe was the tax instituted by God to sustain the levithical priesthood. This has been changed with d coming of Christ's eternal Priesthood that does not need tithing to sustain it, Hebrew 7:12.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

2. Tithing is obligatory giving. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that NT giving should never be obligatory.

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

3. Abraham tithing, which some argue is pre-law, was a once for all thing and it was a tithe of spoil of war. Christian's incomes today is not war spoil. If we must tithe like Abraham, it must be once and for all and we must give the rest away like he did. God never demanded tithes from war spoils in all the wars Israel waged in the OT.

4. Jesus' mention of the tithe in Matthew 23:23 was in keeping with the Mosaic law, same way he commands those healed of diseases to report to the priest after he's healed them.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 8:3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, show thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

5. Paul, the leading NT author, never mentioned tithing in all his epistles, including the pastoral ones.

6. The tithe as mentioned in Abram's case, the law, Jesus, etc, was never hard core cash. The tithe was always from agricultural produce. How it transformed for this to monthly or weekly income can only be explained by modern day preachers.

7. The tithe mentioned under Moses was three type: that included giving to levite, giving to the poor, widows, etc and feasting by the tithers themselves. Which one are we to practise today, if indeed we are meant to tithe?

8. The tithe mentioned in Malachi 3 is an offshoot of the tithe that originated from the Mosaic law. The Malachi tithe ended in a curse. Believers today have been redeemed from the curse by Jesus being made a curse for us.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

9. Tithing, like circumcision, was both pre-law and within law, but Paul argued passionately that Christians are not bound to be circumcised. This argument can be applied to tithing too.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised tithes, Christ shall profit you nothing.

10. Tithing denies the grace of God: God has freely given us all things, as he gave us Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised tithes, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

So far, I have given what I would call 'scriptural' reasons for not tithing. I continue with 'non scriptural' but sensible reasons:

11. Historically tithing was first practised by Gentiles 700 after Christ.

12. Tithing is the institutional church means of supporting its bogus and unnecessary system.

13. Tithing became popular among Baptist, Mormon and Catholic churches with time, although recent popes do not emphasize tithing.

14. Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Spurgeon and some other former reputable men of God never preached tithing and spoke against it.

15. Tithing is not practical. Like in the case of the OP, many people are not sure how much to tithe; whether to tithe lottery monies; or tithe business capital or school fees; etc.

16. There is also the conflict either to pay tithe or to use the money to provide for a family need, buy drugs, ap fees, etc.

17. The word 'pay' shows that pay tithes today are doing according to the law because that word denotes fulfilling an obligation.

18. If tithing was to be limited to 'give' and not 'pay' it would be tendering more to the NT spirit that permit freedom in giving as we purpose in our hearts.

19. Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that we should follow after weightier matters of the law; thus tithing is not weighty. Paul in Romans 14 shows that matters of doctrine that are not weighty should be left to individuals to decide to do or not: there fore 'He that tithes, to the Lord he tithe... But he that does not tithe, to the Lord he does not tithe'.

20. In spite of the liberty Paul has given the church to follow in Romans 14, some insist that tithing must be compulsory; therefore, a worthy response to them is that tithing is not compulsory.

21. Lastly, for now, tithing feeds the flamboyant, ostentatious, arrogant, un Christlike, and selfishness of today's gospel preacher. Thus, to justify these lifestyle, the prosperity gospel is promulgated. The root of Jet, Limousine and mansion acquisitions is the tithe.

If anyone wishes to offer a rebuttal to the above 21 reasons, you are welcome but I will appreciate its one after the other and not just to refer to it all as false. Show us what is wrong with the aforementioned.

Hebrew 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

I disagree with the OP. While the scriptures he used are indisputably true, they are taken out of context.The bible makes it abundantly clear that there is a righteousness of God that comes to Christians when we place faith in Jesus. This is gospel perfection. Romans 1:16-17 this righteousness is from faith to faith; every step of our walk with God demands that we cast our hope of perfection on his righteousness, alone. That is gospel perfection. To do otherwise is foolishness , Galatians 3:1.

Every tendency to make Christians think that they can attain some perfection here on earth by some self effort, outside Christ, is to preach a legalistic gospel that undermines the very power of sin that Christ came to destroy. It is because we do not know what sin is that we talk glibly about perfection. The Spirit that claims that he is perfect or is seeking perfection by human effort is a self righteous spirit and that in itself is SIN.

Nonetheless, upon Christ perfection which we trust, we are enjoined to live holy and walk in love; that is all the duty expected of believers.

I repeat if anyone thinks his righteousness or perfection will earn him heaven that person is trusting in self and will be damned at the end.

Pastor Kun: You wan spoil business for seun

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frosbel: Perfectly said.




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Bidam:

Yes,the same way John, Peter and James were inspired. Abi na different Holy Spirit dem get

Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Bidam:

This is where you lose me,just because you see mystery in Paul's writing doesn't mean others like John, Isaiah,Jeremiah,Daniel did not also write mysteries in their books.These things you call mysteries has been revealed to us by the help of the Holy Spirit.More so Paul quoted copiously from the Law and prophets to explain your so called mysteries and revelations.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Bidam:

Did the prophets not prophesy about dispensations in the OT?

The concept of a dispensation – the arrangement of divisions in Biblical history – dates back to Irenaeus in the second century. Other Christian writers and leaders since then, such as Augustine of Hippo and Joachim of Fiore (1135–1202), have also offered their own dispensation arrangements of history.[1] Many Protestant, Baptist and Calvinist writers, including Herman Witsius, Francis Turretin, and Isaac Watts (1674–1748) also preached and taught dispensation schemes and divisions. Even the Westminster Confession of Faith noted "various dispensations" in 1646.

Within Dispensationalism, dispensations are a series of chronologically successive dispensations of Biblical history. The number of dispensations held are typically three, four, seven or eight. The three and four dispensation schemes are often referred to as minimalist, as they recognize the commonly held major breaks within Biblical history. The seven and eight dispensation schemes are often closely associated with the announcement or inauguration of certain Biblical covenants. The variance in number relates to the extent of detail being emphasized by the author or speaker. Below is a table comparing some of the various dispensational schemes:

These different dispensations are not separate ways of salvation. During each of them man is reconciled to God in only one way, (i.e. by God's grace through the work of Christ that was accomplished on the cross and vindicated in His resurrection). Before the cross, man was saved on the basis of Christ's atoning sacrifice to come, through believing the revelation thus far given. Since the cross, man has been saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, in whom revelation and redemption have been consummated. On man's part, the continuing requirement is obedience to the revelation of God. This obedience is referred to a stewardship of faith.

Although the divine revelation unfolds progressively, the deposit of truth in earlier time-periods is not discarded, rather it is cumulative. Thus conscience (moral responsibility) is an abiding truth in human life (Ro. 2:15; 9:1; 2 Co. 1:12; 4:2), although it does not continue as a dispensation. Similarly, the saved of this present dispensation are "not under law" as a specific test of obedience to divine revelation (Gal. 5:18; cp. Gal 2:16; 3:11), yet the law remains an integral part of Dispensational teaching. The Law clarifies that, although Christ fulfilled the law for us, by it we have had the knowledge of sin(Rom 7:7), and it is an integral part of the Holy Scriptures, which, to the redeemed, are profitable for "training in righteousness" (2 Ti. 3:16–17; cp. Ro. 15:4). The purpose of each dispensation, then, is to place man under a specific rule of conduct, but such stewardship is not a condition of salvation. In every past dispensation unregenerate man has failed, much like he is failing in the present dispensation, and will fail in the future until Eternity arrives. Salvation has been and will continue to be available to everyone by God's grace through faith. (The New Scofield Study Bible, 1984, pg. 3–4).

Bidam: Yes,the same way John, Peter and James were inspired.Abi na different Holy Spirit dem get
This is where you lose me,just because you see mystery in Paul's writing doesn't mean others like John, Isaiah,Jeremiah,Daniel did not also write mysteries in their books.These things you call mysteries has been revealed to us by the help of the Holy Spirit.More so Paul quoted copiously from the Law and prophets to explain your so called mysteries and revelations.
Did the prophets not prophesy about dispensations in the OT?

Ishilove: You are very naïve