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Deep Sight:
Really? Perverse logic? Tell me what you would think of a man who came across the Mona Lisa and insists it had no painter. Perverse? Think deeply, Tudor.

There has never been any perverse logic. We said seeing effects demands a cause. We sought to determine some basic attributes of that cause.

The painting example is one thing. If you consider that the earth is not just a painting, but a beautiful, custom made home for living things, exhibiting astonishing planetary engineering, you just might want to reconsider which is perverse:

  It was engineered by Intelligence OR

  It popped out of Tudor's cereal breakfast. . .

Perverse? Think again, brother.

Some people also claimed to see a face on the moon, (the work of natural forces in operation on the moon changing the moonscape) and said they had seen the face of god. If eternity is timeless as most people claim then anything that can happen will definitely happen and maybe, just maybe what we know in the present is simply an event within a limitless sample space. But yu wouldn't be willing to accept that would you? for the simple reason that it would make "Randomness" become the god that you are desperately seeking.

O ga o, Venezuela self don dey become football power?  if we no win this match, we don ja be dat o.

Predicted Line-ups anyone? here is mine:

Szczesny

Sagna- Gallas- Verminator- Clichy

Song
Cesc Diaby

Bendtner Arshavin
RVP


Eboue, Ramsey and Walcott with cameos.

Stand Up if you hate Tottenham, _{and everybody stood up.}

lightwalk:
That's a very nice way to think, but you are wrong. You know why, because all of them claim that there's only one. So the people in the right sect win and all others are doomed. That's the right thing

Wrong, some of them claim there is more than one, and some of them are even so convoluted that the "Unusual suspects" story pales in comparison.
Besides we now know it is a game of chance with the odds stacked heavily against you as there are new gods being discovered everyday. And I'm not interested in your kalokalo gods.

dayokanu:
^^ Bayern has much more competition in the Bundesliga than Man Utd has in the EPL.

Tell me how many clubs have won the EPL since inception and compare that to the Bundesliga

You too dey talk old story when last did you reach the last 4 of the UCL? na only to dey beat small clubs for Bundesliga and to buy Real Madrid rejects remain for una abi. From grace to grass be una story.

See Fergie

So Dayokanu na Bayern fan, yur club na big fish in a small pond make una dey dere dey flex muscle for Bundesliga and living on old glory.

sexyLeamon:
good question, if u believe in God at least u have a chance. if there is a God u are a winner, if there is no God, u don't need to worry.
so literally, people who believe in God are the winner no matter the outcome.

Wrong logic, the only set of people who can lay claim to this assurance are those who believe in all gods. If Yahweh of the bible doesn't get you, then Allah will hammer you and if both of them miss you there is one big center back God out there that nobody knows about who is ready to rugby tackle you and toss you into the nearest pit of fire he can find if you dare not pay lip service to him.
Bottom line is if there is a god out there, we are all screwed (at least by the weird logic of most religions anyway).

You mancs should have lost the game yesterday, if not the general predisposition of most of the clubs to have already been defeated in their minds before they play manU, Wolves should have won the game yesterday if only they beleived in themselves.

proudly9ja:
I was at the game at the Emirates. Awesome match day experience. Over 50,000 fans were also there.

The guys didn't do too well in the first half though especially the forward line. They were too static. I understand that they are probably trying to get used to the new 4-3-3 system. I expected Traore to make a lot of runs like he used to do when he was on loan at pompey. Didnt happen.

Vela's coming in changed the whole game and his movements showed his experience. I wonder why Arsene didn't start or even put Merida on the bench for this one though?

The goal keeper, was ok too. Showed better confidence than Manone but still has some work to do on his handling of crosses.

Senderous and Silestre didn't disappoint. Whatever you expected them to do, they did well.

Overall, they need to work harder on their movements upfront. Maybe Arsene needs to start one or two 'experienced' players upfront like he did last year when he started Bendtner and Vela.

Merida is off to the WYC in Egypt along with Gavin Hoyte. I also join you in looking forward to Merida's appearance in the next round, I would put him in with Ramsey and Le Coq in the MF and push Wilshere closer to the opponents goal.
Sunu didn't play well yesterday (compared to what I've seen him do in the reserves) and I still have question marks over Traore's stamina and suitability for a more advanced role on the left wing. He'd better adapt quickly though cos Gibbs has that Clichy assistant role sewn down tight and some blokes are of the opinion Clichy is already living on borrowed time.
I also look forward to seeing Kyle Bartley somewhere down the line, though I understand the need for Silvestre and Senderos getting in some minutes.

Sceczeny is da Bomb and all the goalies ahead of him had better watch out, I predict that the instance he gets a run in the side he is going to become unbenchable and auto first choice just as Cassilas did in RM, a pity that we have so many good young keepers in the side I think its going to be him and Fabianski staying in the long run and that is going to be some serious competition.

Sagamite:
Shut up, if you are not engage yourself to understand reasons for things or historical exchanges then don't comment stupidly on it.

Do you see me applying the same approach to others? Coming up with stupid assertions. Did you bother to find out why I am attacking his school?

SEFAGO is getting the medicine to tame his stupid, overvalued self. He caught my eye with his posts (most of which he has deleted now) advising others on the education system. But I also saw that he felt so hot that he was disparaging achievements of others e.g. was when chiogo was announced as valedictorian and everyone was congratulating and encouraging with "well done", "we are so proud of you" and this arrogant prick came into the thread to be screaming what is the big deal and people should stop celebrating mediocrity. Another was when it was posted that a Nigerian kid got a Phd in record time in the UK and everyone was happy to hear that and this prick again came with the same disparaging dins like if he can do better.

That was when I started wondering if this guy was some wonderboy from Harvard, Yale or Stanford with a big head to put down other achievers achievement.

Then my first interaction with him was in the Sanusi sackings thread where he came in to say a lot of folks are not smart, that smart people like him would make a good president. He went on to belittle Soludo and gave us a lecture of what policies he would have set as CBN governor and quickly pointing out to the audience that he knows all these despite not even studying economics as a degree and has not graduated in the one he is doing. And I was thinking this prick has the audacity to be arrogating what men with years and fantastic track record in economics should be doing. Soludo has even been tutoring people that are miles more intelligent than him in Oxford and Cambridge (but I guess that is irrelevant because according to his own scoring system his university is better) but yet he feels he knows better than him. I spotted his weakness in substance when he started arrogating the Head of Risk in a bank cannot know much about banking and the economy. Just showed me that this is a boy that knows nothing about the corporate life.

He not only did that, but he went on rambling about how he was more intelligent than most people and I advised him to curb it, that his arrogance is not much of a big deal but he should watch who to use it to and when to use it or else it would be a weakness. He went on with some further disparaging dins and that was when he talked about his university scoring system but I decided to ignore him and just laugh it off.

Then in the MBA thread he came again with his unsubstantiated arrogance and even went as far as indirectly telling me that my opinion is rubbish and he the smart one blah blah blah. I was overghasted and flabberwhelmed and very scared I was I interacting with a Harvard prodigy.  He went on with blah blah vitriol against me, which I ignored to save a brilliant thread and warned him he had no self-awareness (evidence in his stupidity here when he asserted he is demonstrating "maturity".

So I decided to exploit the weakness I warned him about (his uncontrolled arrogance) and teased out the university I suspected he attended that is swelling his head he is the world's Don Capone. He fell for it like a sucker because he obviously is not as smart as he thinks he is.

By then, I knew he was just some above average little boy that thinks he is special,

Blah blah blah,  too long a story over nothing, okay, so he is a bit arrogant? so what? the best way to correct him is to attack his school? where is the correlation in that? deal with his points and leave the personal abuse where they belong.
I am pleased at his confidence, knowledge and presentation of his points (if he is really 19) but to paraphrase Martin Luther King Jnr. A nairalander should not be judged based on his age, the school he has attended or other mundane attributes but on the quality and substance of his posts.

Meeeeh, iba fun baba Orlando Owoh, 100 kilo loyon omoge.

SEFAGO:
Ok, I just saw this, and that is very very disturbing,  especially coming from a black person  . You know how much prejudice/discrimination black people experience in America/UK (I know to you it isn't obvious, but instead of just assuming that everything is right because i was lucky to  come to the US when racism was more reduced) and you try to disparage someones achievements based on affirmative action? I might as well assume that Bayo ogunlesi got to his position at credit suisse through affirmative action (He is one of the heads of the SEO- people who try and get minorities into wall street and a big proponent of AA, I met him once when he came to my school). Insult Barack Obama, someone who spent his first two years at a sub-level liberal art school b4 he transferred to Columbia, and he got the equivalent of a 2-2 (second class upper), then continued to Harvard law (we obviously know how), and graduated magna cum laude (first class equivalent). Did you not celebrate his victory?

By the way affirmative action is only done for US citizens/ permanent residents. I am not one. Agreed there are very few Original Nigerians- proudly green white and green  (international students not part-time nigerians (british ones or Americans))- In the top 25 schools (maximum of maybe 30-50 a year-I have been around so i know)  but it is illegal for schools to implement affirmative action for international students.

That is what happens when people disparage things they know nothing about. Reminds me of a Nigerian Psychiatrist who came to Dublin and told a friend that Homosexuals should still be classed as being mentally ill. He kept quiet when his colleague reminded him that there was a time that Blacks were considered sub-human and asked him how he would feel if someone still considered him sub-human.

Gamine:
Are you helping matters?

I don't know and I don't care, if the guy likes he should ask for my school and I'll tell him its Unipetrol.

Gamine:
@Topic,

We are just born as reproducers
Sexual fulfillment doesnt follow a 'standard template' and thats what being 'gay' is about.
The body doesnt know who is female, male or a dog.

I largely agree with this, we mostly all like to have our privates stimulated one way or the other, the question as to whether someone is born gay could as well be rephrased to ask if someone is born heterosexual. As sex and reproduction have become largely separated for mankind.

Having said that though, it still must be pointed out that it is well within the realm of possibility for there to be a genetic link of some sort for homosexual behaviour and until the impossibility of such a link is totally eliminated, then you can't catergorically state that it is impossible to be born gay.

BTW, I can't help laughin at your jibe about someone getting a BJ from a monkey while blindfolded even though its quite a disturbing image.

Mr Sagamite cut out the bullsh*t, why the focus on SEFAGO's school when you should be more concerned with the topic being discussed? you are exhibiting the worst of all that is wrong in the typical Nigerian approach to issues, leaving the heart of the issue being discussed and focusing on inanities such as is aptly demonstrated by that idiot in the house who is only interested in constructing complex grammar to the detriment of the issues for discussion in the house. Can't you argue your points without getting so personal and letting us know how important you are?

bawomolo:
sexuality is a continuous spectrum and not discrete.  One can be attracted to both sexes, it happens in man and in the animal kingdom. 

even though those freaky bonobos could be bisexual for the fun of it 

I absolutely love that description, it is a curve that starts from Celibacy through heterosexuality and homosexuality and continues all the way to bestiality (which I think is totally gross) and beyond to various acts and practices my mind cannot possibly begin to fathom. What a mystery humankind is eeeewh. Decadent lot (though I judge no one).

bawomolo:
lol@ jesus being gay.

he probably was if he didn't try to shag mary magdeline once or twice

That would make him bi now wouldn't it? even though one of my friends who beleives people are born gay is fully convinced that those who claim to have a bi orientation are just trying to have the best of both worlds.

LadyT:
No one is born bloody gay is personal choice or some strange tragic weird sexual experience at a young age.

We choose our sexuality but we cant choose our race. There is no gene or anything.

But each to their own more lube to their privates not my problem!

I don't agree with this, its like saying no one is born to be a musician or an athlete or with predisposition to cancer, diabetes e.t.c. You will be amazed at what is being discovered in genetic studies if you bother to read it up.

Just like the above examples, it still takes action on the part of the individual to act on their natural urges for example Usain Bolt could have refused to take to the track while someone who is naturally predisposed to diabetes could adjust his diet, Michael Jackson could as well have decided not to sing.

Defining someone as being born gay or being born heterosexual is a matter of terminology. An equally relevant question might be to ask if anyone is born heterosexual in the first instance I always wonder if heterosexual sex actually became the predominant form of sexual expression due to Natural selection springing into operation to perpetuate the human species,after all no human being is forced by nature to have sex with someone of the opposite sex or is anyone trying to prove that one must be sexually active with someone of the opposite sex in order to survive?

The Caster Semenya story is a pungent reminder that "god" is not as perfect as the various religions make him out to be and if a person can biologically/physically come out "wrong/different" (based on our definition of normalcy) why then is it so hard for people to accept the fact that something can go "wrong/different" in the inside specifically with respect to sexuality?

Everything we do is still subject to our individual decisions but I am bold to say that just as I have friends who can't keep away from anything in skirts it is not far fetched to understand that there are or maybe people who just naturally can't keep their hands off people of their own sex (metaphorically speaking) while they have no attraction to the opposite sex just as I have no attraction at all to any person of my own sex.

Banderas:
You keep knocking man's wisdom, yet the bible says that the wisest man that ever lived was Solomon, and he got his wisdom from , yep, God. There were also those two mixed race jews - the one who worked on the tabernacle with Moses, and the other one who worked on the temple with Solomon, they were supposed to be the wisest artisans of their time. Yet they were only part jew. Does this mean Solomon and Moses were foolish?

Don't mind the hypocrite, he knocks man's wisdom as nothing yet he wears man's clothes, uses man's computers, takes man's drugs and even studies man's knowledge. I sort of wonder why he is not wearing the skins god supposedly covered the naked man and woman with when he purportedly chased them out of Eden.

Banderas:
The onus is not on anyone of us to be honest. We all are like the story of blind men touching an elephant. Those who touch the body insist the elephant is like a wall. Those who touch the tusks insist he is sharp and weaponlike. Those who touch the legs insist he is tree-like. They are all correct. They are all wrong.

Again - I no longer believe that the entire person of God, and all his actions are contained in the bible. I believe the bible are a set of guidelines that enable us to access God, they are not a set of rules God MUST follow, as you seem to believe

Those are tru words in bold my brother, and to take the concept further God/The creator could actually be randomness and not an intelligent sentient being as he is often purported to be can't he? I personally think the pursuit of god is an unecessary endeavour, you're searching for something you don't even know exists such that even if you find it you can't even know that you have. In my opinion, we shouldn't be the ones looking for god if he exists and wants to be found, rather he should be the one looking for us and to then announce boldly to us all when he has found us and this is my basic philosophy of life.

Sagamite:
If this is true, then I must have a special gene that provides me with a predisposition of self control in all the choices I make in like.

@Sagamite

Are yu claimin to be a saint without any weakness at all? remember Jesus' words "He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone" on second thots maybe Jesus understood genetics before we all did.
Also I do wonder why Jesus told the woman to "Go and sin no more", "Do not commit adultery anymore" would have been more relevant and specific or what do you think?

This is really a tricky one Jesoul, I always beleived that most things  people do in life was by choice (I still largely do anyways) until I had a chat with my sister who is a psychiatrist. In the course of the decision I did find out that there are a lot of things we never knew that are only now being  discovered by scientists.

For example, are you aware that alcoholism has genetic factors? even idiosyncratic gestures and behaviour are often genetic right?
Now I am not saying all alcoholics cannot help themselves because they are predisposed to being alcoholic but their ability to withstand addiction might be seriously compromised relative to someone who doesn't have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism or even addiction of any sort.

Now if I apply the same logic to sexual preference, it is well within the realm of possibility to have a genetic predisposition of sexual affinity to one or the other of the sexes for example I was conceived and born as a sucker for skirts TBH and I've always liked and being attracted to the opposite sex since I could differentiate between my two hands, now this does not necessarily mean one is born gay or it could mean one is born gay depending on how you look at issues.

At the end of the day, no one is forced to have sex with either of the sexes as a matter of fact after all we do have people who choose celibacy or those who embrace masturbation. It is deviant behaviour in terms of its departure from what is/was considered normal but at the end of the day everyone has their own conception of normalcy.

C2H5OH:
My exception is not invalid because I'm not looking for a scientific proof to buttress my point.
I answered your question by saying that the only way the universe could have spanned an infinite space irrespective of time is if it had been created by a deity that exists irrespective of time.  The only primordial subject I can think of is God.  Unless of course you know of any others and you have proof.

C2H5OH:
I am not excluding anything.  THere are two arguments here, both of which are under scrutiny. 
How can the universe have existed infinitely without having a beginning, can you answer that question? 
You keep bringing up my mention of God to try to escape that question.

Lol @ referring to the universe as God, come on now put on your thinking cap.
I just skimmed over this page from the top, and I'm basically saying the same thing Prizm has said earlier.  If you can understand this, you're set.  If you have a difficult time understanding it we won't get anywhere.

1. No one at present can say for a certainty how the universe came to be, scientists are theorising and trying to find an answer except for you religious lot who are quick to claim it for your god(s) (something they have not done themselves). You then make astonishing claims such as the bollocks 6 day creation story in the bible which has been conclusively disproved after which some of the more intellectual of you start to twist your earlier claims by comin up with explanations like the stories not being literal in nature.

2. I will answer your question as to how the universe could have existed infinitely when you explain to me how your so called god could have existed timelessly to the exclusion of any other thing or being having the same property of timelessness.

3. No one has ever said they know anything for certain, the search for an understanding of the origins of the universe goes on. But if you go ahead to say the universe has been created by your god then it is left to you to prove that it has indeed been exactly the way you say it is to the exclusion of any other possibility.

C2H5OH:
1st of all, yu can't prove to me that the "God of Abraham" does not exist - if I bother trying to prove to you that he does exist, you would discard scripture as an unacceptable source. Secondly, from your scientific angle it wouldn't make sense to you anyway that something somehow exists independent of time. That said, scientifically, how can the universe have existed infinitely without having began somewhere?

You have this all wrong, _{don't want to say you are not thinking straight} but bawomolo just put it much simpler. Who am I to know what existed when or how? if yu are however able to accept the claim that god is timeless, why then exclude the possibility of something else being timeless? have you ever wondered maybe the Universe itself is what you are referring to as god? afterall, I'm sure yu've never seen this god.

@Poster

Please don't stop at Islam and Xtianity, also beleive in Ogun, sango, oya, buddha, mormon, e.t.c. that you can beleive in. It is logical to either beleive in all religions or to beleive in non at all. To choose any particular one is the beginning of the long or short road to fanatism depending on your circumstances. You have chosen well.

C2H5OH:
how is it possible for the universe to have been in infinite existence without ever starting. do you know of anything that exists infinitely without ever having a beginning (lone exception being the God of Abraham of course, who happens to exist independent of time).

You are contradicting yourself bloke,
1st of all, yu are yet to prove that your so called "God of Abraham exists" at all. Secondly if we accept that your God exists and is timeless, how can you prove him/her/it/whatever to be the only being/material/object/particle/whatever with a timeless existence?

JeSoul:
Segregation was not the intention and I'm sure you know that 

_{Heaves a sigh of relief}

JeSoul:
1. because they obviously are the only ones who judiciously & honestly read the bible can can give their opinions on the different versions
2. because many atheists here are known for gate-crashing christian threads and going off-topic and the essence of the thread gets distorted and lost. For example the thread is about the NIV bible version but you have gone in this direction:

On point one, I beleive yu are wrong,  not only christians judiciously & honestly read their bible, from a point of commitment to reading the bible I would say most christians are lazy, choosing only to read supposedly specific promises for them (which unfortunately most of the time they don't even fully understand as they don't place them in the historical context of the times those words were written). a bible scholar however does not of a necessity have to be a christian. I've personally read the bible through twice (KJV version)

A scholar also has the obvious benefit of approaching the bible from an impartial point of view because he has no vested interests in the bible being the word of god or not. Perhaps if we had more people of atheistic or agnostic mindsets in the various councils  of those days rather than politicians seeking to control and subjugate, there wouldn't be so much dispute about some bible versions being corrupt or not.

@Jesoul,

Is this some sort of segregation yu're starting on Nairaland? do yu mean non christians should not contribute? Anyway's my two pence contribution is simply that god does a disservice to christians when he can't even come down to solve the issues having to do with the adulteration of his supposed words. We aren't talkin about people doubting him here but people who genuinely have faith like you. Bloke is definitely the author of confusion.

JeSoul:
Duduspace, (which kin name be that sef lol)
  issall good brotha. How have you been by the way?

I'm fine o, my sister from another mother. As to my name, don't want to wax lyrical about it like V, but dudu (black) signifies the obscured and unknown (which is not necessarily a bad thing as it is made out to be) and space signifies adventure and search for the yet unknown. Basically, I'm a curious individual and curiosity is yet to kill me.

GEW:
i wonder why you made restless sinner your name

I wonder why a sane person would shout restless sinner at no one

GEW:
restless sinners

delusional bigot in situ