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Datazone:
Oversight maybe.


Itsekiris have a larger presence in that Delta Central Senatorial District than urhobos have in delta south.

For the avoidance of doubts, hereunder are some of the Itsekiri communities in Delta Central. Are they not entitled to federal appointment?

Sapele LGA
Ugbosien
Ugbekoko
Obontie
Aja-Ojigwo
Ogun Aja Ugbegi
Ajimele
Elume - partly Itsekiri
Arowun
Enaso
Adaka.

Uvwie
Ugbolokposo
Aja Uma

Okpe LGA
Aja OgunOyibo
Ajatiton
Aja Ogolo.

Udu LGA
Egbogide.

Ethiope west
Efurokpe
Oyeaja
Ekwobodo
Ibirifo
Owe
Efo
Enasun
Ajatiton - mosogha
Ajaenesan - Jessa
Gbomoya - Jessa

Are the Urhobos in Delta south receiving any federal appointments? aren't you forcing your language on our schools in Warri south? why asking what you can't give?

The Urhobos in Warri south outnumbers any Itsekiri communities in Delta central. Most communities you mentioned above are Urhobo towns eg Aja Uma (We know it as Ewoma or one man Village) is a small tiny Uvwie land, it's own by the Uvwie people, but due to intermarriage, you find some Itsekiri families around, could tell you many things about that zone.

Ugolokposo is debateable as most speakers there speak the Uvwie dialect of the Urhobo.

Nairalandmonika:
Your corrections are wrong

Ughoton is Itsekiri?
Aghalokpe is Itsekiri?

seriously, some of you on NL are unnecessary funny, have you been to any of these towns?

Nairalandmonika:
Read very well b4 u comment. The fact that it is in okpe doesn't make it an urhobo community.

The communities I mentioned are pure Urhobo towns, I'm not even here to engage in any unnecessary argument, just making some necessary corrections.

Datazone:
Clearly shows Urhobos are dealing in lies and falsehoods, fairytales and hearsay. No proofs. Just "my grandma nai talk am".

Listen, Gbolokposo is a known Itsekiri community in Uvwie. We all know that. Let me list some itsekiri communities that are not in the three Warri LGA: Ajagbodudu, Efuropke, Obitekpagha, Pamol rubber estate, Efo (in Mosoghar), Aghalokpe, Obontie, Ugberikoko, Uton Iyatsere, Ajimele, Ugbeyiyi, ajaguoyibo, ughoton, urban area etc.



If Itsekiri do not practice this one king style of rulership, these communities and other surrounding communities would have been annexed and ruled by an Itsekiri king different from the Olu of Warri. The downfall of Itsekiri is this thier one king like the oba of Benin monarchy.

Ughoton?
Aghalokpe?
...

These communities are in Okpe and are pure Okpe towns, Ughoton is a stone throw from Jeddo and it's 100% Urhobo.

Next time do a proper finding, you have locals online you know.

Gerrard59:
Not necessarily so. The black man is the poorest of all races and because of that he can be used anyhow and told to do whatever the bidder wants. In the next world, the black man should aim to be rich.

We are poor, how do you measure wealth?

Greed, mismanagement, wickedness are the reasons our continent seems poor, we have all it takes to match with a nation like India for example.

Some southern African countries are far advanced than India and other Asian countries.

dermmy:
Bro African leaders are all sellouts. The scramble for Africa continues.

Sometimes I just want to believe the heart of a black man is dark, our leaders are not only evil but wicked.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Me too.

I don't like self righteous people and saints na dem worse pass and he has no idea that he is worse when he defends unchristian acts done by Trump all because he is blind to believe that Donald Trump is a born again christian and democrats are demons.
That guy really opened up his hypocrisy.

My issh with him is how he involves God in everything yet supports evil when it suits him. Life has taught me a lot and I know for sure that such people who always mention God at every given opportunity are more dangerous than anyone else.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Much respect boss

Dude is an hypocrite that hides under banner of religion to spread hate, I've seen some of his hypocritical comments for a very long time.

Whyem15:
In 2008, when the sanctions was hitting Iran the hardest, all its refineries were out of operation. It was this same Venezuela under Hugo chavez that assisted Iran in rebuilding it's oil infrastructures. That is why Iran is also assisting them in their time of need.
No Iran has 11 functioning refineries with 3 more under construction.

Never knew Iran's refineries were out of operation, only knew there was gas shortage at some point in time until Venezuela came for the rescue.

Thanks for the correction.

Whyem15:
US sanctions on the country has left the country unabke to buy chemical additives used in refining petroleum products and spare parts the crucial to the functioning of the refineries. Some of the Iranian tankers are carrying those additives and spare parts.

Iran has been under stricter sanctions, yet they have a working system. We just have to agree that Maduro's government is to some extent is suffering from corruption and mismanagement.

Irijosa777:
efe it seems you you like trouble?
tell me what have you achieve since you started this argument?
I speak for peace, even people that are not Urhobo respected me and stop the argument but you are still bring up issues, what do you really want?

if you know me well, you'd know I don't engage in tribal battles, I just replied a mention and the person I mentioned isn't a tribal guy.

The thread was unnecessary and I have told the op to ignore some bants.

Nowenuse:
When people talk of the high IGR and industries in Warri, I don't really understand. Apart from the Refinery and the Depot which is now no longer working. Or even the NPA that has been moribund? DSC has died for almost 2 decades.
Chevron & Shell have left.
I really don't see what is in Warri with high IGR.

Practically Nigeria lacks industries, Warri has more IGR and income flow due to the high concentration of oil/Offshore workers residing and investing in the city.

How many Ijaw or itsekiri oil workers would you find on Asaba compared to Warri? I have been to several cities, but when it comes to spending, only few can compete with Warri, Benin is a bigger city than Warri, but it's no where near warri when it comes to money flow.

Agbaro is part of Warri-Uvwie-Udu urban. It is not an urban area of it's own. You cannot compare it with Agbor. Agbor is bigger than Oghara in size.


Other Deltans are catching up with Enuanis in education, but you know there is a very big difference between someone who is going to school and has very educated parents and grandparents and another who is going to school, but has illiterate/semi-literate parents and grandparents.

Most Enuanis have educated parents and even grandparents in some cases. This makes them comparatively more refined than other Deltans from my observation.
Apart from this everybody now goes to school equally.

We shouldn't look at past glories, presently everyone is digging it out, during a recent Igbo/Yoruba human development debate on Nairaland, I was marveled at the level of human development of the Urhobo/Isoko people, faraway US the Urhobos were representing, the Yoruba guy even pasted the names, with some mistaken as Igbo.

I'm not really interested in this debate, I would have pasted names of PTI graduates in a certain sessions, the Urhobos were practically dominating.

Yes u are very correct. Ughellis and Ethiope Urhobos tend to be more hardworking and aspiring. They are also comparatively well-travelled.
If I may ask, who is the most successful Urhobo person from Uvwie LGA? Do u have an idea?

No idea, Uvwie has a very small population, they are the least in the entire Urhobo land, although the richest and most developed.

I think the former Unuewvoro of Ekpan, the one before Newton Agbofodoh was a prominent son of Uvwie, a military governor in one of the South western state, during his burial notable Yoruba leaders came to Uvwie, Tinubu etc.

Liliantalks:
u can’t even compare Agbor with Agbharo

See when it comes to urbanization in delta state
warri,= Asaba, Agbor , sapele, then oghara Ughelli , Ogwashi, abraka , ozoro then agbaro, Kwale, Obiaruku , and the Rest follows .

You can not place Agbor on the same rank with Asaba or Warri, these are the two major urban areas in the state, no level comparison whatsoever.

You still can't place Ughelli on the same rank with Oghara, Ozoro, Ogwash, Abraka, Kwale, they are not mates.

Agbarho is in the same rank with Agbor and Ughelli. Although Ughelli is a bit bigger and has bigger population, Agbor too is still bigger than Agbarho, but Agbarho has a better potential because of its proximity to Warri.

Liliantalks:
Agbor isn’t in the same league with abraka. Agbor is a residential town , it has a college of education and pioneer nursing school, Abraka is a village , without students abraka is dead . Ogwashi is even more urbanized than Abraka . Ogwashi is also a town with or without it’s students , the school area is very far from the residential parts and it’s very active with or without students . U can’t compare abraka with Agbor or ugwashi . U just Can’t . Even in land mass they r not mates , both Ogwashi and Agbor are local government head quarters , abraka isn’t . Abraka is a village

Not comparing Agbor to Abraka, they aren't on the same league, I only compared Agbor to Agbarho, and also compared Abraka to Ubiarukwu. Agbarho is another Urbanized town in Ughelli north, few kilometers from Warri.

So maybe you misunderstood my post.

Nowenuse:
Does Urhobo land have access to the high sea without going through Itsekiri or Ijaw territories?
I doubt that, it is highly unlikely.

Cc Efe2real, Efewestern, Mystiquefia

Urhobo land doesn't have a direct access to the high sea, but Urhobo land is positioned in such a way that we all need each other, should the Warri port starts functioning, Urhobo land will be needed for operations.

Nowenuse:
Nice one. Yes Urhobo land is more urbanized than Anioma land.
Infact I keep telling my Anioma friends to thank their stars that they got the captial in Asaba, otherwise their homeland would have almost been nothing to write about.

Now Asaba can neutralize Urhobo parts of Warri urban/Uvwie/Udu in development.

Agbor can neutralize Ughelli. Obiaruku can neutralize Abraka, but Obiaruku is not populated with vibes like Abraka with the university.

Kwale can neutralize Oghara.

The Urhobos still have Sapele standing

Ogwashi Uku is nothing and can only compare the likes of Mosogar-Jesse.


In terms of human capital. It is almost a tie between Aniomas & Urhobos. However, I will say that Aniomas have a more higher quality population than Urhobos and this is not insulting.
Urhobos had and still keep on having many more children than Aniomas and this reduced the quality of the population.

Take the Enuanis for example, they are the most educated in Delta state in my opinion. You hardly come across a full blown illiterate from this area. All my life in Delta state, I have only come across one woman in her middle age from Enuani who was an illiterate. But for the Urhobos, Isokos, Ijaws, Itsekiris and even Ikas & Ndokwas, it is higher.

I attended Federal government college Warri & UNIBEN and through my years in both schools, Enuanis (Anochia/Oshimili people) were always at the top of the class and performed better than the Urhobos and others on average. These Enuanis also tend to come from richer and more educated middle-class families from my observation. .

However in terms of successful people. It is almost a tie between Urhobos and Aniomas. Urhobos almost exclusively founded and grew the comedy industry of Nigeria. They dominate this industry.
They carved a niche for Warri in Nigeria. Though, Aniomas are far ahead in capitalism and wealth creation.

Oil discovery came in too early for the Urhobos. It has unfortunately made many of them very lazy and reluctant with a strong sense of entitlement. ....
This character is worse among the Uvwie, Udu & Warri south Urhobos. So many of them do not want to go to school anymore, but want to be in charge of community funds and allocations. Oil is really more of a curse than a blessing abeg.

Greetings Nowenuse.

One fact about the urbanization of Delta Central is the contributions of not only the Urhobos but Isoko, Ijaw and itsekiri who mostly dominate the oil sector, Most see Urhobo land as their major place of investment, hence the swell in population and urbanization. While Asaba can compete with Uvwie/Udu/Okpe/urhobo parts in Warri, it's no where near these places in terms of IGR, income flow and Industrialization, although Asaba is far more organized. As far as oil remains our major income, no place in Delta can compete.

Agbor is in the same league with Agharo, Obiaruku sees Abraka as their major town, most come in to work then go back on a daily basis.

Aniomas are trying when it comes to Education, but I still think it's a tie between Deltans. I give it to Enuanis though, I noticed they have this zeal for education as far back as the early 60's, but in recent decades, every one is catching up.

Oil messed things for us which somehow had a negative impact on our mentality, the free money made some of Us reluctant but Urhobos from Agbon, Ughelli etc aren't really affected by this free money mentality, people from that angle are far more educated and hardworking.

pazienza:
So why are you making it look like she is from SE and not Anioma?
How many people from SE wake up and start attacking Urhobo? What do we have in common with Urhobo to start attacking you? What do we in SE stand to gain from Urhobo? We don't share state with you nor boundaries. We are totally different people.

If at all an Urhobo should have problems with anyone, it should be your neighbors in Delta, either of Ijaw, Itsekiri, Isoko or Anioma.

What you did in that your post was trying to conjure shared Igbophobia amongst you all there and use it to unite in this thread, by trying to paint a picture of SE person coming to cause confusion in your midst.

If Nwanyiog.washi is not from Anioma or if what she is saying doesn't resonate with Anioma people here, how come non of them have come to this thread to disassociate themselves from her posts?
That's the question you should be asking yourself rather than descend to the old tested and trusted Unity built on shared Igbophobia you tried to bring up in your long post.

Where in my post did I say he/she is from SE? I only implied that she has a motive of creating the account which isn't beneficiary to Deltans. it's very uncommon to find an Anioma child attacking others unprovoked.

My initial post wasn't meant to paint any picture, but to send a message, that the moniker is trying to stir up a tribal battle online and should be ignored, once told Mystiquefia to let her be with her rants.

What were you expecting me to do? encourage others to engage her? to what end? start unnecessary competition when we have serious issues at hand?

I have seen so many demeaning words from that account, yet I didn't react neither did I call any one out, I have no issues with you or your people. everybody they maintain he lane.

Liliantalks is also questioning her person.

Liliantalks:
thank you The aniomas r doing very well in the nollywood sector , and many other sectors u didn’t mention or know about . But it’s cool

Anioma dominate the financial sector and are also one of the southern group with huge concentration in the armed forces in southern Nigeria. Every family has a son in either the army, the navy, air force or police.

They very much are present in the movie industry, all thanks to the Asaba movie factor.

@pazienza not trying to appeal to emotion, the moniker is of questionable character, he/she has a motive of creating the account, very uncommon to attack your neighbors unprovoked.

How many Urhobos wake up every morning to attack Anioma unprovoked online?

Greetings.

I initially never wanted to comment on this thread because of some strange monikers hiding under the Anioma banner to dish out hate, very uncommon with the good people of Anioma, never have I met any Anioma child with such level of hate and bitterness.

My little contributions to the thread.

Delta state, infact Nigeria as a whole is lagging behind when it comes to real development, most of our cities are highly overrated, so I'm definitely not going to talk about cities but level of urbanization in Delta state.

Urbanization.

It's an open secret that Delta central is one of the most urbanized region in Delta state, all thanks to the oil industry. 3 of the 6 urbanized towns in Delta State are in Urhobo land, the rest spread across other regions.

Top 6 Urban Areas in Delta State


Uvwie/Udu/Parts of Okpe(Jeddo, Osubi) - Urhobo
Warri - Shared with itsekiri and Ijaw
Asaba
Agbor
Ughelli - Urhobo
Sapele. - Urhobo

Human resources

Deltans generally are doing very great, was looking at a a list of Nigerians who graduated with masters in a US university, to my greatest surprise, for every Yoruba and Igbo, there's either an Urhobo name, an Isoko name or an Edo name, even with a population of less that 6 millions, the Urhobos were practically competing with the big two in human development.

In business, they have produced big shots like Ibru and co, till date, the Urhobos still control the fishing industry in Lagos. In entertainment, they own the comedy industry and are doing well in the movie industry, although still can't compare to the big two. In sports, Anioma trumps everyone.

Anioma dominate the financial sector and are also one of the southern group with huge concentration in the armed forces in southern Nigeria. Every family has a son in either the army, the navy, air force or police.

Resources

Urhobo is the third highest producer of crude oil in Delta State, followed by Isoko then Anioma with Itsekiri and Ijaw being the First and second.

pazienza , Mystiquefia, darfay, Nowenuse

Anni3e:
Hi, I have been married for 9 years now, the problem I have with my husband is that his family members keeps sucking him dry and the way he neglects us his immediate family.
He is the first child of 7 children, his siblings even the married ladies keeps asking him for money, he keeps spending money on them and their husbands. His brothers keeps crying they are broke, they keep leeching off him, his two junior brothers that always asks him for money, one of them built a house in Port Harcourt and the other one built a big house in the village. Still they won't let him rest, his married sisters are the worst if they cough they would call him to send money, every minor thing they would expect money. Just this evening his sister called him to ask for money. We don't have a house of our own, I keep telling my husband to stop giving in to all their demands and invest the money on something, he would say I am turning him against his family. We have 2 kids and I have told him we need to start saving for their future, I pay the electricity bill, foodstuffs, and most times the children school fees, he pays the house rent and rarely keeps money for home upkeep, he sometimes drop two thousand and that's it for the whole week. He always complains he has no more, but once his family calls him he sends money immediately. I have saved enough to buy a land and I am not planning to include his name in the property. I don't know what to deal with, his family entitlement mentality or the way he neglects the kids and I and treat us like outsiders.
I am really pissed off and tired.
Sorry for the long post.

It will end in premium tears if you don't plan for your kids, we've seen this happened over and over again.

Get the piece of land, secure it, then save for the future.

dermmy:
Iran is a sovereign nation and has the sovereign right to ship its oil to any country. Every other country in the region can ship oil except Iran isn't that funny. Iran is not bound by any UN resolution that it should not ship her oil this is just a unilateral decision made by the self proclaimed world policeman America and let's see how America is going to deal with it now that Iran is hell bent on violating the shipping restriction.

Heard they took payments in Gold, already sent experts to revive Venezuela's dead refineries and sending some batch of oil shipments to support the country until their refineries are back to life.

If Iran's shipments are seized, Iran will terrorise the strait, thereby increasing the cost of importing oil from Saudi and Co.

The US pressure on Venezuela will become useless should they allow Iran to continue with their activities, so we are most likely to see a clash between US and Iran on this.

funkmrflexx:
... I even scolded my mom before I left that I didn’t like what she said what she did that’s she was just causing issue. My girlfriend said when my mom said the word (If you no fit carry the mango u for kuku put am for e head make e carry am na) that I should have immediately rebuked my mom. But me sef no see anything wrong with what my mom said( If you no fit carry the mango u for kuku put am for e head make e carry am na)

I just Dey follow her uncle advise and leave her be until she calms down and I talk to her

So my people what’s offensive in this word? If you no fit carry the mango u for kuku put am for e head make e carry am na)

But this her attitude don tire me. Break up is not on the card for me at least not yet. She always thinks that they are other guys out there because she has a lot of toasters but I know they can’t do quarter of what I’m doing for her. In this modern time it’s difficult to see a guy who will allow his girlfriend stay with him thereby losing his freedom to do certain things. A guy who doesn’t cheat, a guy who takes care of her does everything for her .

I just think the things she went through in her family is affecting her physiological. And sometimes when I think about leaving her I feel pity because she can’t go back to her parents house.

Dude, you are a disgrace to your family, such a weak young man. Your mom never said anything wrong, if you are sensible, that lady should be out of your house by now.

hahn:
And "she" can continue lying and deceiving guys. How nice
So men can be responsible for their actions while women can't?
I'm going to add this to reasons why women can't be equal to men

These alpha male are something else, belove me, they are soo calm in real life.

babyfaceafrica:
Migwo...... Please I need an answer to this question.... Is okpe a language on its own or a dialect of urhobo? Is it mutually intelligible to urhobos?.. Do most okpe indigenes speak okpe or urhobo? Or dem don turn pidgin to their language?.. Thank you Bros

G.M sir.

Okpe is a dialect of Urhobo and to some extent it is mutually intelligible , most Uvwie speakers easily understand okpe, but It is somehow complex for central Urhobo speakers.

Majority of okpe indigenes speak both the general Urhobo dialect and the Okpe dialect, Some okpe towns like Oha, Orerokpe, Osubi, Sapele etc speak the general Urhobo dialect, but core Okpe towns like Ughoton, Jeddo, Ugbokodo etc speak the core Okpe dialect, every town in Delta state speak pidgin.

Mystiquefia:
That makes up the urhobo ethnic group are free come out and denounce urhoboness? wouldn't that be a bad precedence for others to follow suit?
just imagine if other sister tribes from uvwie, udu, ughelli etc start coming out to denounce being urhobo just because of greed from a politically divided mindset, whom would foster the urhobo project? i mean, even delta north tribes are now united under the aegis "anioma" so what is the problem of Akpedirin and his ilks? We all migrated from benin at some point and the term urhobo came to be used by a group of people who settled in what is now delta state because we share thesame cultural similarities and have adopted a general language which is the urhobo language. No tribe is more urhobo than the other. Akpedirin speaks from a political perspective just like the isokos who used to be urhobos at some point. urhobo is an identity that belongs to us all and not exclusively for a few.
Cc Efewestern

The likes of Akpedirin are just delusional, they do not in any way speak for the okpe people neither are they relevant in the scheme of things, till date the appropriate authorities in Okpe haven't said anything similar to this.

@Bolded, how are they fairing now? The people they share the same senatorial district with are seriously dealing with them.

darfay:
I have no ill intentions. The article (even though its a little old) principally spoke on marginalisation of the okpe people and admitted that they themselves have a divided stand on their ethnicity. I only wanted okpe people on Nairaland and other urhobo people to shed more light on the highlighted issues.

The talk of marginalization doesn't hold water, Okpe has the same privileges every clan has, the next governor might probably come from that axis, Urhobo land is big, so should we really expect everyone to occupy same position all at once?

Only few okpe indigenes have this identity crisis, which we have trashed severally fb forums, there are so many Okpe communities that speak general Urhobo dialect as their first language and identity with the Urhobo tag.

Mystiquefia:
Darfay what do you hope to gain Exhuming a thread that dates back to 2016, and posting it on Nairaland Of all places, for people who are neither okpe's or urhobos to deliberate on? I mean, if you think this issue is worth deliberating (which i doubt it is), why dont you take a copy of this summation and post it on any of the urhobo peoples or okpe forums on facebook for proper, indepth debates? why must you wash your dirty linen outside for saboteurs to prey on? are you not a saboteur yourself?

Right from day one, Okpe has always been considered a kingdom making up the Urhobo nation. The supreme council of the okpe people, the Udogun-Okpe which is the only body that is competent to speak on behalf of the Okpe people has said several times that Okpe is part and parcel of the great Urhobo nation. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/07/on-okpe-are-not-urhobo/

On the talk of marginalization, the speaker, Delta State house of Assembly is Sheriff Oborevwori, an Urhobo man from Okpe, what political marginalization is he referring to?

As someone from a sister tribe, this shouldn't be coming from his end.

Nigeriabiafra80:
So a book written by unknown,is now a source

David Ejoor isn't unknown, he was among the first generation of army officers, the mid-west governor at the time of the civil war and also the first Nigerian commandant of NDA.

David Ejoor was also one of the finest army general ever produced in Nigeria, his skills were top notch and commanded respect among his peers. He is popularly known as the man with nine lives, he managed to escape several assassination attempts.

If not that OP is a tribal champion, nothing wrong with the thread, we learnt one or two, but the young man has an interior motive for creating this.

kemicalreact:
You're right, but I think the West would never allow them to make peace with Iran. Making peace with Iran would defeat their major purpose of staying in the region.

That's another angle, and a unity between them will be a threat to America's greatest ally, Israel. If there should be any cooperation, one of the two needs to give room for the other to influence. As it stands, the Islamic leadership in Iran remains a threat to the house of Saud royal family, which the west has continued to capitalize on.

So a peace deal might just be an illusion.

Olominira:
Any nation that depends solely on American security is not a safe nation. Germany still spending heavily on her own millitary despite her close relationship with the US, this says a lot. The best thing for Saudis is to initiate a peace deal with Iran if not for today but for the future.

Saudi choose to be weak, they personally want their armed forces weakened so as to protect the Royal family/throne, they do not practice meritocracy but nepotism,favouritism,...

Most army generals are some royal princes with little experience, no serious training, how do these people face real life threats? No serious nation solely depends on others for security, even their royal guards are mostly Pakistanis, this is to tell you how horrible their armed forces are

So definitely a peace deal with Iran is the only way out for them, should oil becomes worthless, the west will leave the region, when that happens, can they face battle hardened Iran who is looking for every means to cripple the kingdom?

lordm:
Saudi Arabia should be ready, the houthis will capitalize on this

Saudi will bow to US pressure soon, next few months they did cut productions to all time low, they know they are in deep soup should US pull half of her troops from their soil.

These guys can barely fly a jet, they so much need Americans around.

joelag:
From the comments so far, I want to believe that one can build a room self contain between 650k to 750k naira.

750 won't do the job, even 800 won't finish the job. Roofing will take nothing less than 200-250.