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NinjaMetahuman:
window os, harmony os, kai os, sailfish.

Want more?

Window OS is obsolete, Harmony OS isn't on any phone yet. Kai OS, Sailfish are not operating system on any phone.
Mention the phones that uses KaiOS, and Sailfish as operating system

Amanee:
Saying rubbish confidently

This has to be a record

if you have bothered to open the website link... you'd understand what I'm talking about except you're saying that the website which you base your argument on is saying rubbish confidently

NinjaMetahuman:
lol

Typical apple fanboy.
Very ignorant lot.


So you cannot tell the difference between apple iphone and android operating system.

Is android a phone?

Instead of showing your ignorance, Android is a generic term that can mean different things base on application.
Check your dictionary before laughing anyhow

jikins:
You 1st paragraph just stated what I have said before.

Fact is either way Apple has alot going for it, it probably why they don't want to go into producing lower end phones. But doing so will increase the popularity and usage of their os and app store. Bring in many more users and buck apart from even phone sales. Theres so much pros to be had if they start making low end phones. But alas its their business make dem do wetin dem want.

you're right, there's a lot of pros to do that but I guess my take on the IPhone 5C is why they don't want to. But that might change in the future though

seanwilliam:
if apple starts producing midrange, she will lose her class.. the more expensive her product the more respect it commands.. most people especially in Nigeria buy iPhone cos of bragging rights..


Hopefully I'll buy iPhone 11 this year .. I bought 7plus like a month ago, I sold it back cos the reason I bought it( cos of a particular app support ) has been sorted on Samsung..

The iphone7 plus self go beat most android 2020, the phone no dey hang no matter the numbers of apps u are running. Its second hand value is second to none..

But it I buy it na for bragging jare.. I'm not an heavy phone user.. na just for browsing

just what I've been saying, Apple market target are flagship phones.
But consumers nowadays favors midrange and flagship killers hence there drop in the Quarterly range. Not necessarily means they are not profiting

NinjaMetahuman:
name the innovative thing apple has done since original iphone.


different market, same sound analogy.

name the innovative thing android has done since the first Android??

NinjaMetahuman:
apple market share reducing means profit reducing too.

Iphone is not making a lot of money as it used to as alot of people are keeping their iphones longer in countries like usa where there is brand loyalty.. Thanks to the fact that apple just keep churning same product with different name every year and not as innovative anymore.

That's why apple is diversifying as quickly as possible and not rely so much on iphone sales.

How is IPhone not innovative anymore or keep churning out the same product??

NinjaMetahuman:
this is ridiculous.

This is like saying ferrari is making more profit than toyota because ferrari sell more expensive cars but happens to have less market share than toyota.

Seriously?

they have different market targets!!!.

sagieramos:
First flagship mover bro, couple with iOS, therefore they have no competition within their ecosystem

I think it's more than that. It's not that they are the only one producing smartphones which could have been a monopoly

jikins:
Lets be realistic and stop all this ground standing you have been doing all over this thread. Apple sales have been declining for years. This is not sole based on covid19. They had the second biggest market share. Then Huawei overtook them. Now Xiaomi has. I can tell you that the brass at apple inc if they are smart they need to be very worried.

Things like these don't inspire confidence in investors. There is a reason Samsung is at the top and by a considerable margin, after so many years. They have what Apple has, which is the brand. But more importantly they are flexible in the market. Especially when they know there is profit to be made at every price level. Samsung wasn't a major player in mid range phones until recently. I am pretty sure the rise of Xiaomi was one of the reasons they had to consider it. And it is why they are still no 1 today. Making mad buck from their phone branch. More than anyone else.

Being flexible and keeping with the times is the best market strategy. Apple are rigid in their ways. And its only helping the competition. Say what you will about dates when phones were released or covid19. The truth is when apple were at their best marketshare wise, these situations won't have made them drop in ranking.

A decline in market share isn't something you just excuse away if you are a smart business man. Calculating actual profit just to ease your ego doesn't change the real reality. Which is fall in market shares. For those of us who really follow these phone brands market shares, we all knew it was only a matter of time for xiaomi to overtake apple. Yes probably covid19 sped things up. But its been a long time coming.

The fact that apple haven't still made changes on the price level of phones they make is very alarming. But say what you want to say, the truth is no one in apple inc is thrilled about this news. Its a blow definitely.

To think years ago Samsung and Apple were fighting for dominance in the phone industry. Now Samsung are miles ahead.

Apple only sells flagship phones. When Samsung was fighting with Apple for market dominance was when the midrange market and level entry wasn't this prominent. The rise of Chinese OEM brought about the rise of the midrange and entry level smartphones.
Samsung adapted hence why they are #1.
Apple doesn't sell midrange or entry level phones. It shows because more and more people are buying midrange phones over flagship doesn't mean Apple is losing. it's just not their target market. which was the reason for my IPhone SE 2020 example, it cost $400 but it's design is outdated but it's the 5th most bought phone in 2020. Imagine if Apple has a phone for entry level, midrange, flagship killers market.
When they tried it first with the IPhone 5C, the phone wasn't that we'll received within the IPhone community because it didn't have that premium quality that Apple usually deliver on their phone since then they haven't done that again.

amstamon:
If their high-end phones are 4gb ram,I wonder what their midrange and low range phone specs would be ..
Just thinking ...lol

iOS isn't a memory hungry operating system. Do good research, know the SWOT of your rival before laughing

BleedTears:
Brother make I clear you first because it seems you're missing something the 2Trillion is not gotten from phone sales alone it comprises of all Apple Inc Products And Services which include, iMac, MacBook Pro and Air, iPad etc.

About the market share imagine you're selling 100 phones before and suddenly starting selling only 80 will you stil get profit for that 20? So what this implies is that the phone department sales is declining. Am not too much of economics to explain really well but surely their profit is threatened

and if you read the article "clearly" first, you'd notice it's about the shipment of phones for the third quarter of 2020 (July to September), the IPhone 12 was released late, last year the IPhone 11 was released early hence the - 10.6% year on year.
the only phone Apple released in 2020 was iPhone SE and for it to ship that amount of phones in a year where people are mostly buying midrange and flagship killers smartphone, that's impressive.
And oh, the $2 trillion thingy was a comical diss not that it represented iPhone shares in Apple capital revenue

lichocho:
good facts...am sure dat all dis androids are more useful dan apple products..

yeah... They are all smartphones. Which is why I always tell people buy what you can afford. If you can buy it twice, it means you can afford it, don't kill yourself.

Amanee:
It's as if you don't know how to read financials.

Apple year on year is -10.6% which means year on year they are making a loss

Phone shipment doesn't necessarily transmit to purchases. The data is about how many phones each company shipped from July to September. How many phones did Apple produce between that time??
For a brand like Samsung that has over 10 devices this year alone, it'd have been a disgrace to not be #1.
A lot of people are buying midrange and entry level phones this year considering the economic downturn and that is a market you won't find an Apple product.
Last year, the IPhone 11 was released early hence the - 10.6% you're reading as "Financials".

sagieramos:
How many percent shares you get out of the $2 trillion?
And BTW, who gives a f*ck about a brand capital and how much revenue they generates if not for the stakeholders?

As a business developer, I hope to learn a thing or two about how Apple manage to command such brand loyalty to be competing with a Saudi Arabia owned oil company

DarkJeddi:
Market share is market share..
The report says MARKET SHARE and NOT profit share..
And by the way..
If you are so good in mathematics,you should know that loss of Market share equals loss of profits..
You don't make profits if you don't sell..

in a year like 2020, it's understandable for Apple to lose its position because most people nowadays will rather buy a midrange or flagship killer smartphone than actually spent over a $1000 on a flagship which is predominantly where Apple marketshares falls in.
One of the reason why the IPhone 12 lineup retains last year prices and early reports shows the phone is in more demands than last year iPhone 11.

Asianjollof007:
This ideology no follow bros

Do you know what demand is?

Cheap things attracts more customers

An average nigerian can't afford a phone of 300K

Before apple sell two of their products xiaomi don sell over 100

Now do the mathematics yourself, who's gonna make more profit?

"An average Nigerian can't afford a 300k phone" doesn't mean all average Nigerian will buy Xiaomi... Before Xiaomi will sell 100, they will have to struggle the market with Samsung, Tecno, Infinix, Huawei, Nokia etc.
Why do you think Samsung is producing so many midrange and entry level smartphones this year. How did they beat Xiaomi to #1 on the Indian market??
So before Xiaomi reaches 100, Apple has sold more than 20. Do the math again

Rareoil:
Xiaomi sells $700-$800 dollar smartphone , same with Samsung.

Xiaomi, Huawei and Samsung sell most of their phones in competitive markets like India and china something Apple can't do.

The $2 trillion apple has in the bank, doesn't change the fact that iPhone sales are reducing.

Do you think Samsung, Huawei or Xiaomi would be top 3 if they only sold $700 phones
Samsung best phone for 2020 was Galaxy A51, how much was that??
Side note: The Samsung Galaxy S20 series underperformed in the market, their redemption is the Galaxy S20 FE.
Apple dropped the IPhone SE 2020 in 2020 with an outdated design (large bezels, one rear camera and all) and it was the 5th most bought phone in 2020 because it cost $400.
Trust me if Apple usually compete in the mid range and entry level phones, they'll have been #1 but they don't have to, their profit margin are not yet threatened

For every 65k Xiaomi you buy, Apple sells 350,000k iPhone. Now do the maths... Apple doesn't need to be on top of the list to make mad profits. Apple is competing with Aramco for the public traded company with the largest capital market share... That's Saudi Arabia owned oil company...
Y'all android fan boys are always looking for a little chart or ranking to hate on Apple but it's $2 trillion y'all

Both path should be on the table.

Observation: They are no longer partnering with Access Bank but with Zenith Bank since they switched to to Mastercard. It's now only on Zenith bank ATM that you can withdraw for free without limitation

WoundedLamb:
Well, I use both iPhone and Samsung so from a neutral perspective, I'd say that their reason is just to cut cost for them. The whole grammar about waste reduction simply burns down to cutting cost for the company. And this, everyone knows even without being told. It would be great if they make that cost reduction really reflect in their selling prices too regardless of how little. Whichever way, it's not in our position to drag each other over their decision. I'm only a user and not a shareholder. When I'm not okay with thier products, I'll not buy and when I am, I will buy. Whichever one others decide to buy does not affect me. But when the discussion comes up, I will air my opinion. I believe that's exactly what people onhere are doing.

The IPhone 12 lineup cost exactly the same as the IPhone 11 with 5G, better camera and processor, more durable screen, better wireless charging, faster Face ID et al. That the same price for a Pixel 5, Galaxy S20 FE, Oneplus 8 but people still can't see that. They are selling a premium phone for the price of an Android flagship in the case of the Pixel and Samsung's flagship killer top midrange phone.

WoundedLamb:
Calm down. They are just airing their opinion. Everyone has their preferences and it's natural to want to justify yours. No big deal.

The point I'm trying to make is that the reason the IPhone 12 isn't coming with a charger is clearly stated online. Expressing your preference for android is okay without sounding ignorant

Geez, I can't believe it's 3 years and people that are "allegedly" using smartphones still don't know why the iPhone has a notch design. Like do you guys only get to use the Internet when you go to the cyber café??
The Galaxy Note20 Ultra cost $1399 but nobody complained about it, Apple set their iphone12 mini at $699 and a lot of people are crying about it. Please nobody is holding anybody at gunpoint to buy phone. if you can't afford it, there are a lot of choices.
If you rather invest the money, that's between you and MMM. Stop coming here to form wiseness. The Otedola y'all are crying that he's using Nokia 3310 bought 3 Ferrari in one day. Do you know how many iPhone that amount can buy.
Please it's 3 years, I don't want to see iPhone still has a notch design on their phone. Make use of the Internet if you dont know why.
Lastly, the reason why the iPhone 12 is not coming with a charger is ecological. They want to reduce waste and be carbon free by 2030. Poll conducted showed that most people that buys new phones still has the old charger which usually leads to environmental waste. Apple doesn't target the African market where electricity is our problem that we need fast charger because of our epileptic power problem. On full charge the IPhone 12 can last you a day and you can charge it back wireless while you sleep at night. No need to be carrying charger around.
Make use of the internet and stop coming here to display your ignorance in the name of trolling

All these "why will I buy a phone without a charger" geng, did they ask you to buy it? Is anyone holding you at gun point to buy it?. They don't want to put charger, it's their headache, the ones that will buy will buy. Buy what you want. It's not a must to buy IPhone 12

Hollow blocks

AsomughaChuks02:
Thanks but the bridge isn't curved like you imply but it slopes down like a right angle.

Did you snap it... Because long bridges are usually sloped at both ends so the midsection can be arched to improved its rigidity

Curved shapes offer more structural rigidity and strength than flat out surfaces.

True. Even Regional Government won't work. Look at Europe, Portugal and Spain almost have the same language but they are not grouped together. Ukraine and Russia also. But in Africa, they colonial masters lumped a group of people together that don't even share a common language or culture.
Even Britain that shared a common language and traces of similar culture disintegrated.
No matter which government is elected in our current setup, there'll always be traces of nepotism because as a government you can only work with people you trust.
I think we should follow the USA strategy where each state has control over it's affairs and the Central Government is more concern with defending the territory of the country.

goodheart02:
I will oblige u do a proper research and compare the response time and number of success the S-400 has had. The S-500 is an urgent call by Russia to step up their game. Wish I could share some articles on modern weapons/warfare I have here with me.

Right now the best missile defense system is the S-400. It's only shortcoming is that its target are long range high altitude. It's not that effective against a low altitude target hence their reason it's usually paired together with the S-300

ALLFATHER14:
We are literally saying the same thing your point just has a lot of sentiments

Nope, I was only trying to tell the other guy that Russia is not indestructible, at least no country is.

ALLFATHER14:
One thing is certain, if US goes to war with China both of them including UK and anybody stupid enough to help US will be destroyed including Taiwan. There is going to be no war because even Africa will feel it economically.

And like I said, the IS thought they were invincible until Vietnam destroyed them with shit (literally)

Hate US if you want but be objective in your reasoning. China's submarines are just numbers and not quality. UK still remains the King on Sea. FYI, if the US goes to war, then it's mandatory that all NATO allies join them. They are planning to Form a new coalition QUAD or QUID with countries in Asian continent to function the same way as NATO.
China will have Russia, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, North Korea etc. The rest will be with USA.
I don't know maths but in theory that's a win for USA. But real war is very different from theory or hearsay.
The USA has 800 military bases around the world, the country with the next highest has 80.

China hasn't even produced their jet engine. They still use old Russian engines for their fighters.