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Uka15:
Didn't the bible say faith without work is dead?

The point is:
Are you saved by work or by Faith alone?

This shows you didn't understand the OP

Yahman1:
You are more foolish than a Fool for u to believe the Earth is flat in 2019, Even a Fool wouldn't be this Foolish

Why is there darkness around the supposed captured pictures?

Isn't earth's shadow created darkness?

Why are most images captured always show dark background?

These are the questions a rational mind will ask.

ikorodureporta:
I'm asking y'all.. do you think Kanye West is truly born again??

lalasticlala

Are we God to have known if he truly born again?

By his fruits time shall reveal but right now we join heaven to rejoice about the lost soul found.

If you're not rejoicing with the heavenly hosts well you can join Satan who lost the soul

Edybleketara:
so asking logical questions leads one unto atheism? this explains why atheists are known to be intelligent peeps.

And who decides this

Litigant:
hi everyone. I just got this text message. I don't know if its real or I should ignore it
ITM Nigeria Ltd invites
you for a job interview for a Bank in Abuja.
Date: Thursday 24th October 2019
Time: 12:00pm
Venue: No 47 Kumasi crescent, by dominos, Wuse 2.
Note: Come along with 3 copies of your CV, please dress corporate.

You didn't tell us whether you applied for such vacancy or not.

Anyways, Kumasi crescent in wuse 2 is an open place....I'll advice you go but study the building very well before you enter.

Good luck

2metrelaurie:
Do you know how gravity works?

Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every particle attracts every other particle in the universe with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between their centers.

Communication Satlites and the ISS in earths Orbit should give u a clue

Eclipses , sun , Moon , sun rise sun set should give u a clue about earths shape

Look at the @underlined and if it's true then tell me how will sun's gravity that holds the biggest planet Jupiter in our solar system the fifth in number and also far away from the sun than earth will still allow small earth's gravity to control the moon and even the said earth.

Did the sun gravity pass across the moon and earth to hold Jupiter in it's orbit or not

Horlufemi:
I've studied both flat Earth model doesn't explain anything and it contradicts real life

Flat earth model to me still holds much than spherical earth when compared both analysis.

In fact, one thing that made me root for flat earth model is GRAVITY. I disagree totally with gravitational pull of the spherical earth.

Take for instance, the sun's gravity is so hug that it holds the biggest planet (Jupiter) and fifth in position in our solar system in place yet this same gravity can allow Earth weak gravity to hold moon in its own orbit.

TruthinAction:
It's imperative for us to give an explanation of why the earth that is modeled to be spherical looks flat. This has led to a new concept that the earth cannot be spherical and this new concept rather proposes a flat earth surface.

The earth has an estimated radius of 6371km. From calculation, to have a drop or depression of 1foot from an original position moving in any direction, you have a move a distance of at least 2km. So within a distance of 100th, the perpendicular depression you will experience is about half an inch. So, you feel a flat earth surface within a short distance. So, those who disprove the spherical earth model should rethink.

The moon is spherical, the sun is spherical. Other planets are spherical. Why do they think the earth will be different?

Well if I should choose btw a flat earth model and a spherical model, I'll go with flat earth. Though I don't subscribe to any.

blueAgent:
You are confused .

Jesus is God and a deity by the virtue of been born by God.

So if He is God and a deity.... Isn't He supposed to be worshipped and reverenced and do you worship and reverence Him?

If you do, does that not make you a polytheist?

JMAN05:
The word that you see as "all things" is panta. The word doesn't always refer to literal all things. "Other" is often used to show that all other things is meant sometimes. In this case, rightly so.

The verse explains itself in col 1:15. He is the "first-born" of all creation. In another scripture, he is called the only begotten son. Does the word "son" and "begotten" not connote creation?

2. Another gives us a hint. Heb 1:2

2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"

Who is that he that made the world's thru Christ? Who appointed the supposed almighty heir of all things?

Liar, so you haven't changed all this while....

John 1:3 put an end to all your lies....

[b]Christian Standard Bible
All things were created through him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

Contemporary English Version
And with this Word, God created all things. Nothing was made without the Word. Everything that was created

Good News Translation
Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.

International Standard Version
Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.

NET Bible
All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

New Heart English Bible
All things were made through him, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Everything was in his hand, and without him not even one thing existed of the things that existed.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him.

New American Standard 1977
All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Jubilee Bible 2000
All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/b]

Tell us the translation you didn't understand there.
If NOTHING came into existence without the Word, then it means the Word Created Himself.

Imagine, the word "Panta" doesn't always mean LITERAL ALL THINGS but you have to take the word FIRSTBORN as first CREATED....

Besides, can you provide any notable scholar who supported your position on "Panta"?

malvisguy212:
God bless you for sharing. God is Good.

Amen!

May God continue to be praised

Maximus69:
Peter who made several mistakes in the past was the chief spokesman of the Christian faith, Paul who had persecuted the Christians in the past was their chief Missionary. But the group was making progress as members are known to be preaching and teaching zealously and making peace loving disciples in every land.

So do not allow the mistakes of Jehovah's Witnesses organization in the past blur your spiritual vision NOT to see the accomplishments of God's people today! Matthew 5:14-16, John 13:34-35, 17:20-23

Point of a descendant of Satan....

Can you list the past mistakes both Apostles Peter and Paul made AFTER they started their ministries?

I guess you're talking about their mistakes before their ministries began.....

How can you compare that with JWs that claimed from beginning that they're the very mouthpiece of God?

We've presented countless facts to you here, I could even remember where you're putting the blame of one of their failed prophecies on the RELIGIOUS PEOPLE (as usual because I can't see you making a post without blaming RELIGIOUS PEOPLE) that they're the one who misunderstood JWs whereas the said GB blamed their members.

Anyways, only God Himself can deliver you from your delusions.

blueAgent:
Where in my article or thread did I say Jesus is not a deity?

Look at the attached pix below and tell us, the type of deity Jesus is.

Is it like the polytheistic as "a god or goddess" (Which make you a polytheist) OR like a monotheist "the Supreme, the Creator e.t.c?

Then you'll see the reason why your own organization trying to change their view about Trinity as you said.

donstan18:
Is dreaming a spiritual event we should be worried about or a natural occurrance we should overlook?


Mynd44 Lalasticlala OAM4J

Let me share this my true story with you then you can conclude for yourself.

During my service in cross-river state, on that faithful day, I had a dream. Behold in reality, it was Saturday/Sunday but in the dream it was Friday/Saturday.

So in my dream, I saw two villages fighting and everywhere was rowdy and killings everywhere. I saw Corpers running for their lives but to my greatest surprises, I heard the villagers making a vow that they'll ensure nothing will happen to any corps members in their village.

While still in the dream, I woke and I narrated everything to my colleagues and we were all afraid, I then round it up that "if this dream is true, let our pastor confirmed it on Sunday"

After this, I woke up to life behold it was around 4-5am on Sunday morning.

I called of one of my colleagues and I told her, she was frightened too....

To cut the long story short, we headed for service, on getting to church, we had normal service and everything went well and we share the grace...

But something so amazing happened shortly, what was that?

I just heard pastor telling everybody to come back that nobody should go, people who are already outside or even on their way came back and the pastor began to say....

"Please something escapes my mind which we need to pray seriously about, I had a dream tonight three times, the dream first came, I pray and slept and the same dream came again second time, same thing also happens the third time."

He said "please we need to pray for a fight that will happen between two villages to the extent that people will die and especially our corps members"

My brother I was dumbfounded, honestly I couldn't pray much as the whole thing was just ringing through my mind....i was like God you're soo marvelous.

Lo and behold, it's not up to two weeks, when a fight broke out between two villages in the border of Ebonyi state and Cross-river though not our own village but it's not that far from ours.

If you listen to news towards ending of 2012, you we hear about it, many people were killed but no single corps member was affected and the corps members shared their testimonies how the villagers helped them to escape and NYSC had to redeployed all the corps members from that village. In fact, one of the Corper stays with us for almost a month before she could get another PPA.

blueAgent:
And in Colossians 2:9 the Greek word
translated Godhead is “theotēs” (G2320)
and means deity as in the state of being
God.
Colossians 2:9 KJV “For in him dwelleth
all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
So the word Godhead speaks of the
“Divine nature” of the Father which has
been given to the Son and hence is in
the Son as we find in Colossians 2:9
above. Thus Jesus being the firstborn
over all creation ( Colossians 1:15 ), and
being brought forth from the Father, He
has the same “Divine nature” as His
Father.
Colossians 1:19 KJV “For it pleased the
Father that in him should all fulness
dwell; ”

You're the one who created this thread to proof Trinity isn't Biblical yet see your position above.

So you can later agree that Jesus is a deity....

Just waooooooo

You people are now against one another, very funny.

GREATESTPIANIST:
Of course, structural analysis is very key......

Do you know how to perform structural analysis and design?

PureFace1:
The collapse in Lagos is not as frequent as Anambra though


At least three news of collapse in Anambra before Lagos collapse

Why are you people always turn major issues to tribal?

This supposed to be a thread where young engineers showcase their structural knowledge by analysing the possible causes of the collapse in other to sell their careers.

I just weak for you guys....

GREATESTPIANIST:
you are right, probably poor foundation not built according to specifications........ it's obviously a waterlogged environment hence proper raft foundation should have been used ........I also hope the standard materials were used and procedures followed......now who is to blame?? Really sad

The @bolden part is the major reason most building collapsed in this country....

You may ask, how?

I'll tell you, I know you just GUESS/ASSUME the type of foundation not according to STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS AND DESIGN of the building. Which is a typical behavior of Nigerian Engineers... They just guess based on their imaginary size, type and frequently seen structure.

Go to any construction site in Nigeria today, and ask for the structural analysis and design. I bet you, you won't get instead you will only be given the reinforcement schedule.

Just a single storey structural analysis and design can give you a report of over 150pages....

How many engineers can even interpret structural analysis and design report not to talk of creating it?

Princedapace:
But why can't blacks also manufacture stuff like this? Why are we always buying and not creating?

Go and read Lord lugard submission about typical Nigerian mind you'll understand why

sonmvayina:
What is your take on your God impregnating another man's wife...

Is it not fornication or adultery..?

And where did you read that God impregnated another man's wife?

budaatum:
Have you seen those who bog themselves down in silly quibbles that seem to amount to "sonship" and "father" and not the Spirit of the Word?

What is the message in the Bible and what is the message in the Quran?

Is "sonship" and "father" the message in your scripture?

I just cited sonship and fatherhood as first examples never dive into the main message because if Quran could deny the fatherhood and sonship of God which both the Old and New Testament agreed with then, it's a clear evident that the person speaking in Quran can't be the same in the Bible.

By the way, are you claiming both Quran and Bible passing the same message?

What is your point exactly before I know of I'm wasting my time or not?

budaatum:
All the books in tbe Bible were written by different people with different minds as I pointed out by the difference of God's wrath in the Old and loving Christ in the New. But make me understand please.

I'm still on my point, the different people convey the messages of ONE MIND not with different mind.

Also, it will be so dishonest of you if you think Old Testament only shows God as a wrathful God and not looking at the same Old Testament who speaks about God's Love....even Moses who God used to fight war spoke about God's love likewise David....so I don't know why you just see wrath and not LOVE from the same God.

Something that the same QURAN never addressed Isn't that a clear two different characters in play?

What is the message in the Bible and what is the message in the Quran?

1. The God in Old Testament claimed to be a FATHER suddenly He rejected to be a father in Quran, how come?

2. The God in the Old Testament called people His son whereas Quran denied God having any son (the sole aim of this is to reject the sonship of Jesus Christ), this means the writer of Quran must have missed the reason why God called people His son.

Let me stop here....

budaatum:
No, "God as an angry wrathful God" is not the only thing I see in the Old Testament, and thankfully, that seems not to be all you see in the Old Testament neither.

My point is, why aren't you looking at the Quran the same way?

Quran and Bible convey different messages from one mind, how is that hard for you to understand?

You first thought I was referring to the violent that's why you rush to chuck mouth and came with Wrathful and Love comparison....

Forgotten that the same Old Testament where violent event were recorded also recorded God showing love for people including strangers something even Quran didn't attribute to its speaker.

So add understanding to your knowledge next time before you jump into discussion....

budaatum:
I wonder.

How do those who read the Torah with its angry wrathful God and the New Testament with Jesus so full of love, conclude the two books are portraying one entity mind? Is it because the two books were joined when they gave them to you or are you being unreasonable?

SMH....so the only thing your brain can process from Old Testament is seeing God as an angry wrathful God...when the same Old Testament declares the LOVE OF GOD for His people even strangers which you can't even see in Quran.

Anyways, I don't expect you to see that.

Meanwhile, I repeat no reasonable person will read Quran and Bible, and conclude the two books portrayed one entity's mind not even because of some violent events recorded but the actual message the two conveyed to people.

emmanuelmacrow:
But every Christian sure have something in mind for being a Christian

You should have first set the precedence by telling us why you are a Christian.

paxonel:
alright! I will like to get a glimpse of one of their material, can you please post it

You can go to www.biblehub.com to read about their materials (Commentaries).

No reasonable person will read Quran and Bible, and then conclude the two books are portraying one entity mind.

Even though the Arabic word for God can be used by the native speaker to worship Yahweh that doesn't mean their worship is being directed to the same entity speaking through Muhammad in the Quran.

jesusjnr:
We must be in the same bus if you believe the Torah which is similar to the Koran was given to Moses by God.

In what way(s) do Torah and Koran similar?

paxonel:
go ahead, I'm reading.
Only that the scholars you are deploying have their views backed by scriptures.

They are all students of the scripture, that's why it's good to STUDY the scripture in addition with different scholars' materials too.

paxonel:
you have spoken well my brother.
But i want you look at this scripture again let's reason it together.

1 Corinthians 5:1(KJV) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Now, looking at the scripture, Paul specifically mentioned fornication, as if that is not enough he defined what someone did that he is calling fornication, that the person was sleeping with his father's wife.

Is there anything more straight-forward than that?

I also noticed that though the word fornication is mentioned countless times in several verses of the bible it is only 1 Corinthians 5:1 that defined fornication in details that it means one sleeping with his father's wife. All other scriptures will say for example,
Flee fornication,
To avoid fornication let every man marry his wife and so on.
But non of these scriptures mentioning fornication has defined what fornication is, only 1Corinthians 5:1 did.

I'm a student of the bible,
You are a student too,
Let's leave sentiment of what we have believed previously aside about what we think fornication is.
Let's face 1 Corinthians 5:1 and analyse it squarely the way we see it.

What is your take?

Your point doesn't need long narration.....

The simple answer to your it is, sleeping with one's father's wife is also fornication but that's not ONLY THING FORNICATION means in the scripture.

If you object to this, I'll go ahead to present the details by citing different scholars view on the subject matter.
As I

This thread is to clear the air about the topic on front page tiled "Fornication is not sleeping with who you are not married to..." as you can check from the below link.

https://www.nairaland.com/5191658/fornication-not-just-sleeping-someone

From the thread, it's evident that the @OP made valid point, I only disagree with him where he said "Watching Pornography is secondary fornication"

Watching pornography isn't secondary fornication but fornication in every ramifications.

How? You may ask!

This simply means the GREEK word translated as fornication in the scripture is "porneia" and critically looking at this word, you'll probably see the tone in word like porn/pornography. This is to tell you that the people behind the creation of porn/pornography know exactly the message they are passing across.

That being said....

The main purpose of this thread is to address the misconception people are having about FORNICATION being attached to only people OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE to distort the truth of the scripture as it can be seen from the comments on the thread.

Firstly, I understand that whenever people are talking about fornication outside marriage is to eliminate any sexual relationship attached to BF/GF as commonly called today. This has sideline the married ones making it seems it wasn't applied to them either.

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble, fornication isn't just about having sexual relationship outside marriage but having sexual relationship all around be you married or not.

This is because the Strong's Greek Dictionary defines "Porneia" as:

Harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication

so stop saying fornication is done OUTSIDE MARRIAGE...

Now the main issue is, should two people who have not married be sleeping with each other?

I know this is where people do disagree mostly with each other but I'll try to address this in the light of the scripture.

This can be seen from that thread especially with @paxonel which he got some points right thou not be able to pass it across very well but he misapplied 1 Corinthian 5:1 by saying "fornication is sleeping with someone's father wife or vise versa" sorry that's not the right interpretation of that verse.

Back to the main point.....

Thirdly, whenever the issue of unmarried people (BF/GF) sleeping with each other arises, people try to separate it:

1) The committed ones (who are serious and decided to marry each other)
2) Uncommitted ones (never have marriage in view but just doing it either for fun or for any reason)

I won't dwell much on the "Uncommitted ones" because outrightly everyone seems to agree that they are fornicating.

What of the "Committed ones"?

Anyhow we look at it, no how two people will eventually marry without coming together as friends FIRST the time span/frame might be different (<1yr, 1yr, 2yrs, 3yrs e.t.c) and you can called it any name you like be it BF/GF, courtship, dating e.t.c the point is, at this level were they permitted to be sleeping with each other?

Fourthly, to answer this question, I'll FIRST say, no separation as committed or uncommitted ones in the scripture likewise do scripture openly speak over the issue. Thou some people have misapplied some certain verses to this situation.

Such scripture are 1 Corinthian 7:1-2, 9; Heb 13:4
These two scriptures were strictly addressing the issue of marriage not before/outside marriage.

Take for instance 1 Corinthian 7:1 which is commonly used "...It is good for a man not to touch a woman ....Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband"

From here, having the understanding of what fornication is from the beginning of this thread, you can grab the point but what gets most people confuse is the @underlined where it said "...to TOUCH A WOMAN" so to them, it means not to sleep with her, whereas, this isn't about that.

At least most scholars I know never interpret this to mean unmarried people not to sleep with each other (Note: I'm not supporting unmarried people sleeping with each other but interpreting the scripture the right way) but the question is about whether a man should marry.

Adam Clarke put it this way: "Is it proper for a man to marry in the present circumstances of the church?"

Barnes said this: "Another question which, it seems, had arisen among them was, whether it was proper to continue in the married state in the existing condition of the church"

Family Bible Notes says: "Not to touch a woman; not to be married?"

Jamieson Brown say: "The Corinthians in their letter had probably asked questions which tended to disparage marriage, and had implied that it was better to break it off when contracted with the unbeliever"

And many more......
Likewise if you read their submission about Heb 13:4 it's all about marriage not OUTSIDE MARRIAGE....

BBE: "Let married life be honoured among all of you and not made unclean, for men untrue in married life will be judged by God"

RSV "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefile; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous"

The word "Immoral" used RSV is what KJV used as "whoremongers" and the Greek word translated was "PORNOS"

Lastly, should the so committed ones be sleeping with each other? Well, the answer can't be outrightly YES or NO with scripture. Thou the scripture always admonishes us to keep our body holy and our body is the temple of God also no one can applied this to unmarried people only.

The point I'm driving at is that some people have neglected the key point of those verses by making it seems they were solely applied to unmarried ones, leaving marriage ones to think they're not fornicating when they were seriously addressing the issue of marriage.

That's why most people keep replacing the word fornication with BF/GF.....

May God help us all!

OpenYourEyes1:
Many true believers like myself will be happy to go through the persecution one day.
We feel your pains my dear.

No be by mouth

Just be praying that God should give you the grace to overcome persecution.

Recall the account of our Lord Jesus Christ when the time drew near, how terrified the hour was for Him!