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Janosky:
@4)
Joshua 22:22, YHWH is the mighty God.
Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a mighty God.
Psalms 82:1,6. Man is a mighty God.
how many mighty Gods are there?

Where in that psalms says Man is a mighty God?

Besides, my question is how many God do you have?

Is Jesus a lesser God or a false God?

If both man and Jesus are Mighty God, what is the fuss about Isaiah message telling the world that another MIGHTY GOD is coming.

@5). Why are you so daft?
John5:26. Jesus says "Just as the Father has life in himself, so HE has GRANTED the son to have life in himself"
Without Life the Father GRANTED His son, the son's glory na banza !!
Jesus says he received EVERYTHING from his Father. Matt28:18. John 5:26. Acts2:36.
Do you believe Jesus words?
Janosky, block your sense!!

You asked that we should show you what Jesus didn't receive, when I show you where Jesus said He had glory with the Father you resort to abuse. Where are your senses?

The Father granted the Son to have life when He became part of creation and received everything from His Father during this time....

Jesus Himself is The Eternal Life, how can Eternal life be created or given life again

Brainwashed JWs!

@6).
"That all men should honour the son even as they honour the Father".
PROOF that the Son had no honour from men UNTIL his Father's APPROVAL and command to men.

Since the Father approved it, have you been HONORING THE Son EVEN AS you honor Jehovah?

Or the command wasn't from Jehovah whom you claim to be obeying?

Don't dodge this part very crucial!

@7). LIAR.
Jesus sacrificial death paved the way for his mediation between God & man, that's the sermon of Paul to Timothy.
Paul NEVER said Jesus is a man in heaven.
The last Adam & life giving spirit,Jesus Christ is the first fruits of those resurrected from death to heavenly life. Flesh and blood can not inherit heavenly life. 1Cor15:20-50.

So you means Christ is not mediating for man again

Christ is in heaven mediating for people, so Apostle Paul called Him MAN not a spirit!

See how wrong doctrines are damaging your life.

Besides, I said resurrection of the saints is patterned after that of Christ, is everyone going to resurrect as a spirit as you claim about Jesus.

Janosky, the brainwashed JWs stop being deluded.

Janosky:
@1)
Matt 2:1-11. I'm not here to spoonfeed U. U done forget your so-called "3 wise men"?

Now my so called did he mention 3 WISE MEN in that post? Liar and shameless JWs....

@2. Matt2:2
*American King James Version
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the
Jews? for we have seen his star in the east,
and are come to worship him.

*Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying, Where is he that is born king of the
Jews? For we have seen his star in the east,
and are come to adore him.
*Darby Bible Translation
Where is the king of the Jews that has been
born? for we have seen his star in the east,
and have come to do him homage.

*Weymouth New Testament
inquiring, "Where is the newly born king of
the Jews? For we have seen his Star in the
east, and have come here to do him
homage."

*Young's Literal Translation
saying, 'Where is he who was born king of
the Jews? for we saw his star in the east,
and we came to bow to him.'

@Janosky, continue being foolish.

Idiot so you agree with these translations bah and are you using these translations in your house or hall

I can also give you 20 translations that rendered it like that KJV

OnPointMan:
Someone has provided a chapter from the book of revelation Rev 3:12 which shows Jesus still has a God even in heaven.

My brother, there's difference between a mighty God and the Almighty God.

So you relied on what someone said not how you yourself understand the scripture.

Jesus mission in redeeming man back to God hasn't finished so until the whole process is complete before "...God will be all in all" 1 Corin 15:23 this is one of the verse most people don't understand even though there use it to proof the subjection of the son to Father.

Why must there be a MIGHTY GOD If there is Almighty God?

Is God dragging position with anybody?

Isaiah says "There no God(god) beside Yahweh" is it lying when Jesus was there a mighty God too...

OnPointMan:
Thank you my brother. I agree with your assertion totally. Jesus definitely is a mighty God, but not the ALMIGHTY God.

God bless you.

Since you agree that Jesus is a Mighty God!

Is Jesus a lesser God?
Is Jesus a false God?

So how many God do you have?

Janosky:
Question 10,you say 3 men "worship" Jesus,Matt4:10, who did Jesus Christ tell you to worship ?
(If you can't understand how Greek "proskeneo" fits the context of Matt4:10 (as in Matt22:37, serve Jehovah with your everything) and Matt2:11 (pay homage not worship),you're get it wrong.

Where did you see 3 MEN in that post, robot

See what desperation is causing and how is damaging your spiritual life.

All just because you want to continue to wallow in your delusions and ignorance.

Who are you to decide how "proskeneo" should fit in the scripture?

What is your qualification in Greek language before you can tell how a Greek work should fit?

Your Question 17 get comma.
@1)
Is the Almighty God YHWH a child ?
You see how you dey reason !

Now it gets comma, simply because it exposes your evil doctrines.

How many God do you have if Jesus is a Mighty God according to Isaiah 9:6?

Please study Acts2:36. John 5:26. Matt28:18.
Just mention 1 thing that Jesus has which he said he never received from his Father and God.
You should ask yourself :
@2)
What does Jesus have, that he did not receive?

Jesus said "HE HAD GLORY WITH THE FATHER EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN"

He didn't say He received the glory!

He said "So that ALL MEN(unless you're not a man) should HONOR the Son, EVEN AS they Honor the Father"

In anyway you've been honoring Jehovah, Jesus says you should do the same for Him.

You can twist this verse as you want but the truth will always remain the truth irrespective of how it is.

@3)
Who is the God and Father of Jesus in heaven?
@4)
When Jesus in heaven says "my Father, "my God " (Rev3:2,5,12. John 14:28),what does Jesus mean?

If you honestly answer these question, you have already discovered the real answers to your 20 questions.

Jesus is still a man in heaven (I believe you've been told this times without number, even though your polluted watchtower mind couldn't allow you to accept)

Apostle Paul says "There is only one mediator between God and man, The MAN Jesus"

Jesus demonstrated many times to His disciples that He resurrected bodily...

Apostle Paul explains that the resurrection the Saints will experience is fashion after that of Christ....

So are you saying people who will resurrect will become a spirit being as you're propagating about Christ?

You can see how you stylishly boycotted my point and jump to cover it with a ridiculous question.

OnPointMan:
Do you mean that the Almighty was flogged and nailed to the cross. Wouldn't that be ridiculous?

That's why I use to say most people who fight against Trinity lack the understanding of it.

The question I asked you and as well were asked by the other person clarified it.

This is my point:

The New Testament writers would have greatly projected a polytheistic view of God if Trinity doctrine was not adopted. Why?

According to human perception of God:

God is a Creator and Eternal being.

Looking at it from this angle, you'll definitely see it from the scripture especially the NT that three difference persons were said to be Creator and Eternal.

The Father
The Word of God (Who became man)
The Holy Spirit.

That's why those questions you were asked pointed solely to what make God, God! Yet were said to be found in Jesus.

So your question seems like a ridicule rather than scriptural fact which is evident that you don't know when the scripture was talking about Christ before He became part of creation and after He entered the creation.

OnPointMan:
"My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." was Jesus praying to himself here? Do you want to tell me Jesus was delusional? No, God forbid. He was praying to God Almighty here.

You see your life

You use David as a case study and different questions were thrown to you, you couldn't attempt just one but attacking strawman arguments!

OnPointMan:
Many people say today that God begotten son(Jesus) is God Almighty, they argue that the Father and Son are one.

But the Bible made us know that David was God begotten son too. Does this also make David God Almighty?

If not, why not?

Cc jesusjnr, badaatum, enthronedbygod, bingbagbo, mrpresident1, vybzkartel, buytruth

So funny!!!

Do you think because the scripture says Jesus is the begotten son of God that's why, He was called God?

Just as someone has asked from above which you couldn't answer but stylishly boycotted.

How can Jesus says: "That ALL MEN should honor the Son, even AS THEY HONOR the Father"

So my point to you is this:

How do you honor The Father?

Jesus says you should do it the very same way for Him.

Or you don't believe this scripture?

heskeyw:
Jos is not even cold when compared to other towns in plateau. The cold in jos na only BSc him get. If u visit pankshin or mangu, na there u go see where cold dey offer PhD education to the residents.

I'm just about to say before I saw your post!

I don't know why they always say Jos is cold when Pankshin is colder than Jcity.

Justbeingreal:


Lots of buildings experience damping and it's not cool at all..

Another stupid building idea is putting water tank on top the building in a short while it starts wetting the walls and cause issues for the occupants..

Your first point is right

But I'm not totally agree with the second.
It's not a stupid idea, have you seen where a whole swimming pool was positioned at the top floor?

Putting overhead tank on top of roof isn't an issue but making adequate preparation for its usage and dilapidated.

Peacefullove:
assume ? You are high

Eccl 12 vs 7 spirit return to God who gave it..

Luke 23 vs 46 Father into your hands I entrust my spirit says Yeshua.

Where is the abode of God/Father to which the spirit return ?

Can you see your hypocrisy at work now?

You quoted Eccl before to argue that both Animals and humans have the same spirit but using the same Eccl now to proof that humans spirit returns to God.

So why is the spirit of Animals not return to God if both are the same?

Anyway, I'm done with you on this unless you have any other reasonable things to say again.

Peacefullove:
spirit of man is a person, yet Yeshua didn't return to The Father when he died ? Luke 23 vs 46



you are actually the dull person in this case, If spirit of man is a person, Yeshua person should have returned to the Father when he died. but Yeshua clearly said he didnt return to the Father . John 20:17

where is your senses ?

You keep exposing your ignorance....

That statement of John was made AFTER His resurrection.

Besides, the scripture says, "He (Jesus) who ascended far above Heaven...FIRST DESCENDED below to PREACH to SPIRITS in prison"

Your reasoning is sticking.

Hello, No one knows the things of God except the spirit of God but Yeshua said ONLY the Father knows the day and hour, your position can only be justified if you agree Yeshua must have lied that Only one person knows when they are actually Two persons ??

I know you don't believe in scripture but just to find something to attack.

Jesus statement didn't include The Holy Spirit so it's not you who should conclude where the scripture is didn't do that.

Another scripture confirmed that, the Holy Spirit knows the things of God.

So if you can't uphold scripture as the truth but tend to twist it, then it's left for you.

Shalom!

Peacefullove:
since spirit exist after death according to your brain dead theology , I want to believe that would mean Jesus proceed to heaven the moment he died, . agree ? going by Luke 23 vs 46

To your dead skull, why are you assuming something on my behalf and still want me to even agree with you?

Who told you that it was heaven He first proceeded to

Barristter07:
Before making the quote, I quoted a part of your post that said there is a spirit in human, In response I replied its the same spirit [ reffering to the spirit u mentioned earlier in humans ] -- that is in the Horses mentioned in Isaiah . emphasis on " Horses mentioned in Isaiah " . was making a comparison.

If not because your brain is paining you, where have I ever said human are SPIRIT BEING before?

It was stated clearly that the horses are FLESH....so I don't no the reason for that comparison.

that renders any description you read of humans as real not anthropomorphic.

Who is talking about anthropomorphic before?

I simply asked, do you fully understand the nature of a spirit to know they can't cry and gnashing of teeth?

You all will agree that a spirit can TALK, does that mean they have mouth like ours before they can talk

Barristter07:
" For who among men knows the things of the man, except the spirit of the man within him? So also, no one knows the things of God, except the Spirit of God." 1Cor 2:11

Spirit of man within him Knows all the things of the man , is it a person ? that's the same spirit said to be same with that of animals

Yes it's a person!

How many times are we going to repeat that before your dull skull grab that

since you have googled, who is Greater ?

Your dull head

Peacefullove:
Your brain is now open

Why yours keep blocking...

Since humans are not spirit beings, any usage applies to them is not anthropomorphic,

noun
the attribution of human characteristics or behaviour to a god, animal, or object.

Not to Human being

Then who says that statement was applied to Humans being

Human spirit itself is not a person either

Says who

Peacefullove:
I want to believe Jesus spirit proceed to heaven the moment he died, Yes ? Luke 23 vs 46

You want to believe

Do you even understand yourself....

Peacefullove:
Very deluded person, he was reffering to other Bible text that established that animals have spirit in them . Does it make them spirit beings ? Common sense isn't common

Super deluded person...now he was referring to other Bible text....yet he boldly said "MENTIONED IN ISAIAH"

Who says human are SPIRIT BEINGS

Peacefullove:
A poster already enlighten you about this, Spirit in human being does not make them spirit being, if that was the case, Horses would have been classified as Spirits, but they are not

Do horses not have spirit in them ?

A deluded posterike you....

At least you have agreed with your deluded poster that human actually has a spirit in them....so you can continue to rant.

Where does the spirit of horses go after death?

Humans are not spirit.
When Yeshua mention whole body in hell which body was he reffering?

No-one says human are SPIRIT, get that into your dull skull.

Human has spirit which after death continue to exist.

Your body...

Barristter07:
If you have a thinking cap, you would know i dont have any problem with that statement given that the holy spirit is Jehovah's power in action. So yes only the Father knows, hence Matt 24:36 doesn't have anything to do with his holy spirit which isn't another person.

So with your education, an inanimate thing can know ALL THINGS about God....continue!

hahahahahaha , help me understand by explaining to me if Holy spirit isn't Greater than Jesus with that statement ?

I can't help a toddler like you....Google is your friend.

Barristter07:
Its the same spirit in the Horse mentioned at Isaiah 31:3, yet it was never classified as Spirit being , separated from spirit beings. . I only wanted to show you why your anthropomorphism cards are unreasonable.

Olodo....
And it's very convenient for you to twist scripture at will, well I'm not surprised sha...Isaiah never says the horses have spirit in them rather the "....horses are flesh, and NOT SPIRIT" a good student of the scripture reading from verse 1 understand that but only a brainwashed JWs will twist it.

If you can do this, then you want me to take you serious. Sorry try again.

Peacefullove:
And Yeshua would be a Liar , agree ?

Says you!

Blasphemy saga
is Holy spirit not greater than Jesus ?

Still diverting from the main point.

Peacefullove:
And who told you humans become spirit beings when they die?

And who told you there's no spirit in human being?

If you check Yeshuas word in many English Bible, there are many references of hell with human body not anthropomorphism.

Do you fully understand the nature of the spirit?

This will take us back to begin, which is the scripture described God as having eyes and hands, does this mean the hands and eyes are like the human own?

So sad, revelation that said it was written in symbols is now your go to verse.

Now it's symbolic!
I rest my case....

Maximus69:
I've known Emusan for long!

He's obsessed with arguing against Jehovah's Witnesses, even when he's not making any sense at all.

When i respond to his comments, it's not because of him but to make other followers see that Emusan is just arguing blindly!

Says the most deluded person on NL that can't even contribute intellectually on a thread other than ranting and jumping pole.

I haven't seen anyone you're discussing with on this forum who hasn't pointed that out to you. So instead of you to go and work on yourself, you're still spending your life here!

Barristter07:
God is a spirit being, Man is not, that someone's breath is termed spirit doesnt make them spirit beings . Consider Isaiah 31:3

" The Egyptians , though are mere men and not God ; their horses are flesh and not spirit "

The horses are flesh just like man is , never spirit beings.

Want us to be spoon feeding you like a toddler here again.

At least you agreed that there's a spirit in human but you just decided to call it BREATH....

You've crawled out from nowhere only to be jumping up and down.

Barristter07:
He didn't conclude on Jesus behalf. Far from it ,Matthew 24:36 says But only the Father

Be careful with the question above, as you are outrightly saying Jesus isn't saying the truth , emphasis on " Only " . that disqualifies any other person

So you also agree that Bible is lying when it says The Spirit of God knows ALL THE THINGS of God?

And any other thing.....

Am actually interested in his point regarding who is greater between Jesus and holy spirit going by that statement Jesus made ?

If you pay close attention to that statement, you'd have known and understand it but since your brain is wired differently, I don't expect that.

Peacefullove:
Man isn't a spirit being. Man is physical being . different . cry ? Hahaha shedding water from eyes , spiritual water ? They can thirst too , Drink spiritual water right or is it physical water ?

Do you fully understand the nature of the spirit that's the question?

Enough of this ranting.....

Revelation talks about water and those athirst shall drink from....

Anyways, I know you're just looking for a mate!

Peacefullove:
Only the Father knows, Does this not spell it out clearly that NO other person knows?

Why can't you allow the scripture to speak for itself?

The scripture says The HOLY SPIRIT knows the things of God....do you think Holy Spirit won't know?

because Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit, you have to conclude on Jesus behalf that, that's what Jesus meant.

Your brain can't handle this?

Just as your brain can't handle the blasphemy statement which you have to twist to mean it's blasphemy against the Father..

I repeat again: The blasphemy statement would also mean Holy spirit is GREATER than Jesus , unless Jesus is referring to the fact that holy spirit isnt a person but a power of Someone Greater than him

It didn't because you couldn't grab the message with your empty skull.

Neither did Yeshua mention me,

Again I repeat: THE REFERENCE TO BLASPHEMY STATEMENR WOULD PROVE HOLY SPIRIT IS GREATER THAN Yeshua , agree ?

Unless its not a person . so you see even that point is coming to haunt you

Another way to divert from the main point....

In the same manner, spirit of God isn't a person, comprehended , Yes ?

What is the first manner

Peacefullove:
Good point , though doesn't negate the fact that those in heaven have the spiritual body. According to Paul, if there is a physical body, there is a spiritual one . logic here is as far as some have physical body, some also have the spiritual body.

So the Ressurection parts proves that you can only apply anthropomorphic terms to A Spirit being with spiritual body.

After your Mumbo jumbo, you can't still accept that you're wrong.

God is a spirit and He was described having eyes and hands.....

Your own is to proof to us how a spirit can't cry and gnashing of teeth, since you know more about their Nature.

BUT RESSURECTION hasn't occur, You hear that ! So any reference to people gnashing teeth and body in hell presently is referring to which Body ?

This will bring us back to my previous question, God is a spirit and He was described having eyes and hands. Does this then mean God has eyes and hands like the one we have?

Do you fully understand the nature of the spirit being, for you to know they can't cry nor gnashing of teeth?

Peacefullove:
Peacefullove your delusion is not only top notch but spreading wide than fire.

Jesus said ONLY the Father knows , Does that spell it out clearly that holy spirit doesn't know if it were a person ?

Or Jesus lied by saying ONLY the father when there is another person that knows ? U seriously ave problem here

The point still remains that, Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit in that verse which you first lied about and Holy Spirit wasn't mentioned there didn't disprove his person just as Jesus didn't mention the Father in the blasphemy statement.

Get that into your empty skull!

The problem with the Blasphemy statement looking at it from your angle is it Makes the holy spirit greater than Jesus if it were a person, agree ?

You are roping yourself.

Is Jesus lesser than holy spirit?

The reason I stop discussing with you most times is because of your reasoning like a kid.

Read my post again to understand my point.

Now, diverting from the main point!

Does Jesus not mention the Father means the Father isn't a person? That's the question.

Spirit of man knows the things of man, is the spirit of man a person?

So if the spirit of man isn't a person, what are you arguing against on this thread?

You can see the reason I do say you have that small child brain.

Peacefullove:
I tell you again, when we are through with this, you will see why the blasphemy angle doesn't help you.

It won't help you because you're a twister of the scripture.

Am questioning two things

The God status ascribed to holy spirit - Does it know the day and hour ?

The person status ascribed - If its a person, that makes the verse that said knows all the things of God a Lie ,because it doesn't , this person is among the NOBODY knows!!! . IT MEANS WE SHOULD HAVE TWO PERSONS that know the day and hour . for that verse to be true!

You're the one who come to that conclusion not what the scripture says that's why I gave you an instance where Jesus grouped The Holy Spirit along Himself and excluded the Father, do we then conclude that The Father can be blasphemy against?

If it's not a person, there is no need for Yeshua to mention it at Matth 24:36 as he did since it represent the very power of the Father himself . so if a verse says it knows all the things of God, it is because its the power of that God himself

Since Jesus didn't mention the father then it means the Father isn't a person or lesser than two of them...

Holy Spirit is the power of the Father yet HE KNOWS ALL THINGS ABOUT GOD...how come?

Back to the blasphemy statement, to blaspheme it will be a direct assault on the Father who owns this power .

Getting it now ?

We need to agree first on the red part .

Delusions.....

You can continue to twist it as you like, what is so difficult for Jesus to just mention the Father instead of using inanimate thing to allude to the Father....

Peacefullove:
Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly, concerning this heavenly one, your Bible says he was raised a spiritual body.

Since those in heaven are like the heavenly one, that means God have a spiritual body, agree?

@Bolden is sufficient for me...

So after you said that "HE WAS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY"

So if those in heaven are like the heavenly one, wouldn't those in hell be the same? You can see how you crumble your own argument....

Besides, this is all about resurrection and not about God because God is a spirit and doesn't have a body.