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budaatum:
Then you don't know op, and you don't know Christ, for whosoever is not against him is with Him, and those with Him are peacemakers and not division makers like op.

Ok

There's nothing like "perfectly correct" when it comes to the Gospels. They were all written long after Christ had died by people who were not even there, and they have all gone through edits and rewrites over the years for all sorts of intentions and purposes. The JW version is just one more rewrite with intentions, but so are every version from the very beginning.

If there's no "perfect correct", at least there should be MOST LIKELY CORRECT rendition.

Which rendition is most likely correct, the word was God or the word was a god?

Yet are they all for the perfection of we humans, to learn from and to perfect ourselves like the Father in heaven is perfect. For when it is said that you should "Seek first the Kingdom of God", Wisdom is principal.

But if those texts are already corrupted and MOST HISTORICALLY UNRELIABLE Gospel, then it can't be for the perfection of humans.

budaatum:
I posted it in a thread where op is promoting hatred of his neighbours. That however bothers you not but my post does.

The truth, they say, frees. The Gospel of John is the most historically unreliable Gospel and indeed is my favorite. Unravelling the truths therein is like Jesus spitting on mud and rubbing it in one's eye. I trust that you will use your own brain and see no reason to hide information from you.

Claiming it's your favorite and as well MOST HISTORICALLY UNRELIABLE Gospel, doesn't make sense!

Anyway, I didn't see anything like hatred in the OP, it simply asked the same question people have asked for century.

Since you're unravelling the truth in John. Can you tell us which rendition is most likely correct or perfectly correct?

budaatum:
Of course I have. It's my favorite gospel!

it's your favorite yet you are promoting what you posted.

budaatum:
The gospel of John is the work of a Christian of the second century, who endeavors to construe a history of Jesus upon the basis of a belief in his supernatural existence. To him Jesus is no longer the expected Messiah of the Jews, but a cosmic being (viii. 23, 58), one with God his Father (x. 30; xiv. 10), through whom alone life, salvation, and resurrection are obtained (xiv. 6), while on the other hand the Jews were from the beginning his implacable enemies, with whom he had nothing in common (vii. 1, 13; viii. 41-47, 59; x. 8, 10, 31; et al.). All his discourses reiterate the same idea: God's fatherhood is understood only through the recognition of Jesus as His son (vi. 29, 46; xiv. 2; xv. 8-10, 26; et al.). The teaching of Jesus is summed up in the words, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another" (xiii. 34); and yet this teaching of love is combined with the most intense hatred of the kinsmen of Jesus. All the miracles performed by Jesus assume in John a symbolical character (vi. 26, and frequently). The Temple (ii. 21), the manna (vi. 32-59), the water libation on Sukkot (vii. 37), the light of Ḥanukkah (viii. 12, x. 22), the vine (xv. 1-17), "the way" (xiv. 6)—all these are turned into symbols of the Christ. In the preface, in place of the genealogies in Luke and Matthew, a heavenly pedigree is given him (i. 1-18), written by one who desired to represent his advent as a new Creation.

If I may ask, have you read the book of John by yourself?

Barristter07:
You didn't Deny he was appointed. Good move

FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE, Jesus himself and his Lordship. Excluding those make the verse a lie

Was Act 2:36 erased from your Bible?

Imagine....Jesus Himself was part of ALL THINGS yet the same ALL THINGS are THROUGH Jesus...

Meaning Jesus was THROUGH Himself.....very foolish reasoning.

I know if it was easy for you, you people would have inserted word like "OTHER" just as you did to other verses.

Which correlation ? Someone came from the other, does that not put a limit on the extent of All things in the second instance.

To prove it's Limited.

ALL things are Through the Father too , Why ?? What came through the Father ? Romans 11:36

This is to show that you lack scriptural understanding, now you also know that ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH THE Father too...it's so obvious with your satanic doctrine how you people always make The Father and Jesus to at war with each other by dragging power and position when the scripture is so plain about it.

If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH both the Father and Jesus isn't that an evidence that both are One?

Jesus said ALL THE THINGS the Father has BELONG TO HIM...does this means Jesus belongs to Himself....

Brainwashed JWs everywhere....

Barristter07:
Its clear enough, all things are FROM him. If you have issues Read Act 2:36 for clearance. To omit Jesus and his Lordship is to make the verse a Lie.

You are not making sense, except all things are ONLY through Jesus, which is not true.

All things are not only from the Father, they are By/through him as well . Begs the question: why ? Jesus himself came from him and through him .

Show me where in that verse that says the ONE LORD was appointed.....you haven't done that!

If not because your brain is paining you:

ALL THINGS ARE FROM THE FATHER
ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH JESUS

If your deluded brain can't see the correlation sorry I can't help you.

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Barristter07:
One God, the Father .. From whom ALL THINGS ARE . All things including Jesus Lordship ( Act 2:36 )

Self explanatory

Where in that verse wasn't it stated that the ONE LORD was appointed?

The same verse read "...and ONE LORD Jesus Christ by whom ARE ALL THINGS..." so ALL THINGS included Jesus Himself bah

Barristter07:


Stark ignorance , Even if you don't know the meaning of the Business terms she used, you should Google and stop embrassing yourself on internet .

If you ask for the Director of a company, You only mention the officially appointed directors. But that doesn't remove the ones whom these directors report to from directorship. Simply because they were appointed. Because the ones whom they report to were not mentioned on paper, they are called " Shadow Director " emphasis on " Shadow".


If Jesus was not appointed, this won't have mattered at all, In fact he would Solely be the only Lord , But as far as he was appointed, There is no way he can be above the one who appointed him . He is Lord, but the Father who appoint him is Lord too . just as shadow Director is


But when it says Father is one GOD . no such issue arise because He wasn't appointed

The whole issue is centered around " appointment " .

Where in that verse says the ONE LORD was appointed?

Jessicha:
Yes, both are Lords, but one is officially appointed , the other is a shadow director.

@bold is sufficient!

So you have TWO LORDS, that's interesting!

Are they not equal in POSITION?

one director appointed by me

The center point here is "ONE"

Take NOTE!

Olodo

Shadow director
A shadow director is a person in accordance with whose directions or instructions the appointed directors of a company are accustomed to act.

As far as Jesus is appointed. That makes the Father retains his Lord .

But the Father wasn't appointed as ONE GOD

SMH...

Where in that verse does it state that the ONE LORD was appointed?

Jessicha:
Clearly , you just proved why the Father retains his Lord position.

And both the son and the father are DIRECTORS in position.

Excuse me

Do u know the difference between Shadow director and appointed directors?

Whether shadow, dark, light: the son is a DIRECTOR...which makes them equal in POSITION....

How many director do you now have?

Why are you dodging this question?

Failure to answer that will end my discussion with you.

Olodoooo , go and study the difference between appointed directors and shadow director. Jesus Lordship so far he is appointed does not replace the Father as Shadow director too, Lord . Jesus is under him

Brainwashed!
Now it's appointed & shadow, you people won't kill person pikin with laugh...

Isn't director role equal?

Just look at how you people have been dancing around since why I only maintain just one position. Lemme see another word that is coming.

Janosky:
Matt 11:25, Jesus says his Father is "Lord of Heaven and earth" who made Jesus both "Christ and Lord " (Acts 2:36).
1 Cor 8:6 Jesus is "one Lord" but NEVER Lord over his Father or equal status of Lordship.
His Father has authority over Jesus lordship.


@1 Cor15:27, it's similar scenario, his Father is OUTSIDE Jesus jurisdiction, NOT subject to Jesus kingship.
Janosky ,brain scrubbed Jehovah witness....

Just jump into what you didn't understand and started spewing thrash.

If your brother claimed that 1cor 8:6 "There is one God the Father" means Jesus isn't God, whereas the same 1 Corinthian 8:6 says "There is one Lord, Christ Jesus" then we can as well say, the Father isn't Lord.

So go back to the beginning of our discussion before you start disgracing yourself and exposing your ignorance.

Barristter07:
Intellectually bankrupt .

Is Jesus Lord over his Father ?

Your false logic has been rendered useless.

If "There's One God which is the Father" proves Jesus isn't God according to your deluded mind, then "There's ONE Lord which is Jesus Christ" means the Father isn't Lord either.

This shows how you people just took any text from the Bible and use it to your favour, never mind what the preceding ones are actually addressing.

That's why you get confused when I brought up the issue of Lord, you have to claim there's is a biblical evidence that proves the Father is Lord! Yet you couldn't find the same biblical evidence that says Jesus is God before you spew that thrash.

Shalom!

Barristter07:
Your initial argument fails on the basis of Jesus been appointed.

Imagine...someone who lost count when his false logic was rendered useless.

Gra gra lasan , the issue here is not if somebody is called God, even humans are . the issue is the designation " ONE GOD " . OVER ALL .

Just as the issue here is ONE LORD!

But we found that " ONE Lord " was as permitted by the GOD . its over all if his Lordship is over all including the Father that appoint him , True ?

The fact is, Apostle Paul made it plain that "There's ONR LORD" which is Jesus Christ you can continue to twist it or remove that from your Bible as you do to many.

If its not over the Father, that make the Father Lord too , correct ? The same way the son directorship appointment does not make him lord over he who appoint him , but that one is a director over him too, correct ?

You're still dying in your confusion, it was stated plainly that "There's one God which is the Father" you agree Jesus can't be God because of this....

But you've been fighting your conscience ever since I showed you that "There's ONE LORD which is Jesus Christ" then the Father isn't Lord....

Jessicha:
My son is a director and nobody commits crime assessing him as one. But to say he is equal with me when his directorship can't control me is the height of dullness.

You agreed your son is also A DIRECTOR but still went ahead to say it's height of dullness to equate him with you...this shows that you are confused.

What an intelligent person will say is, in position (DIRECTOR) we're equal but in person we're not.

He was authorized as Lord not God Almighty.

Key point: by the Father authority, that proves the Father is his Lord hence still retain his Lordship.

But the Father is the One God and in fact Father of all including Jesus - Eph 4:6

Changing tune again, from Lord to God Almighty....deluded person!

Yes will act on my behalf according to my will. I appoint him remember ?

Does that not equate him with you on the same POSITION?

Is Jesus Lord over the Father ?[

This where my directorship lies over my son and others . u too dull abeg

Then your son isn't a director then...

How many director will the company have? You are still dodging this question!

You also boycotted this point:

Acting on your behalf means we have two DIRECTORS with EQUAL AUTHORITIES because to be a director the person must be 100% functioning.

Isn't Jesus still Jehovah now?

quote]Yes, cos I authorized only my son, same way the Father authorized only Jesus. Is Jesus Lord over the Father ?

But the Father is God over Jesus . deny ?[/quote]Why changing from Lord to God? Confuse idiot!

The point still remains, Apostle Paul says "There's one Lord" which is Jesus Christ, going by your false logic, the father isn't Lord.

One God, he even state it in other place that one God, is also the Father of All , kindly exclude Jesus from that. But Jesus is not Lord over his Father . control!

Keep jumping like kangaroo.....

Jessicha:
See stupid logic o,

You're the one using logic here, so your logic is the stupid one.

That's why you couldn't answer those questions but have to lump them up with your Mumbo jumbo.

Anyway, these are the questions again:

These are the questions again:

Is your son a DIRECTOR at that time?

Does anyone who address your Son as DIRECTOR committed a crime?

I appointed him as director, why would I be angry he is called director. but every sensible persons know I still hold the key to his directorship

The @underlined really exposed your hypocrisy....

So why then are you people denying Jesus His deity?

Remember, to be a DIRECTOR means your son will ACT FULLY ON ANYTHING THAT MAKES A DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR! Isn't it?

What is the essence of holding the key, if the Father LOVES THE SON so much that the Father and the Son are ONE?

My son is the only one director I appointed no fuss about it, He is acting on my behalf.

Just imagine....liar

You're still using style boycotting my questions, here is this one again:

How will you treat your own accountant who knew vividly that you're a director but went ahead to open company account with the name of your son ONLY with a bank and told the bank THERE IS ONLY ONE DIRECTOR (with your son's name only)

So what is the different between what you a director and

My son is the only director I authorize. The key here is I control him and made him what he is . everyone knows fully well am a director too, but Have delegated him to act on my behalf.

Since you're STILL A DIRECTOR then how many DIRECTOR will the company have

Acting on your behalf means we have two DIRECTORS with EQUAL AUTHORITIES because to be a director the person must be 100% functioning.

Isn't Jesus still Jehovah now?

Apply braiiiiiiin , same apply to Jesus , his Lordship is as a result of the Father's authorization

Yet Apostle Paul (the accountant in our illustration) have to say THERE'S ONE LORD...

The funny thing is, your brother who you jumped in to defend used 1 Cor 8:6 to proved that since Apostle Paul said "THERE'S ONE GOD" which is the Father then Jesus can't be God...when I showed him about how his argument fall flat by using the same text for Lord, his tune changed by saying there's biblical evidence that the Father is Lord...i then challenge it that, there's also a biblical evidence that Jesus is God....when he couldn't refute that, he later change to Lordship nonsense and you jumped in to compound the confusion.

xaggar:
So in essence, Jesus Christ had 2 glory... Very funny!

You should have asked for clarity on what you're confused about.

Jessicha:
Thank God , you didn't deny I am also a director, likewise the Father

Imagine, after your logic was rendered useless....


These are the questions again:

Is your son a DIRECTOR at that time?

Does anyone who address your Son as DIRECTOR committed a crime?

Will you be angry if you see people addressing your son DIRECTOR in your presence?

How will you treat your own accountant who knew vividly that you're a director but went ahead to open company account with the name of your son ONLY with a bank and told the bank THERE IS ONLY ONE DIRECTOR (with your son's name only)

In addition:

How many DIRECTORS does your company now have?

Jessicha:
Lol, that I designate someone to serve as a director in my company means am no longer a director ? Can't I still fire and dismiss ? Trinity has affected your thinking sir

I keep laughing at you people ignorance anytime I see you using this line of argument.

Is your son a DIRECTOR at that time?

Does anyone who address your Son as DIRECTOR committed a crime?

Will you be angry if you see people addressing your son DIRECTOR in your presence?

How will you treat your own accountant who knew vividly that you're a director but went ahead to open company account with the name of your son ONLY with a bank and told the bank THERE IS ONLY ONE DIRECTOR (with your son's name only)

Barristter07:
He is a servant just like other humans . hence the usage of the word as limit

Olodo....

Go and learn about scripture how it was applied to pre-human Jesus and when He became human.

John 3:16
Emphasis on " SEND " , From where was he sent ? And what is his identity ?

I've dealt with this, you can go back to that thread to refresh your memory.

The one who will fulfil that prophecy is revealed as one of Yahwes servant . the point here is the identity of the one fulfilling the prophecy

Olodo.....
Moses said God will GIVE his people ANOTHER PERSON like him...we can as well say, the person is a HUMAN BEING in heaven

SMH....

Barristter07:
Was the Lordship of his own will ? You are fighting a lost battle.

Cry of a deluded soul....

"One Lord is spelled out as Jesus Christ"-1 Cor 8:6

Is there no other biblical evidence that Jesus was called God?

That means the Father isn't Lord according to your deluded mind....you can't run away from this!

Barristter07:
Just put that in mind whenever El Gibboa at Isaiah 9:6 is discussed. Limit

Empty skull....
Show us how servant negates El Giboa

God send his what ? ... From where was he sent?

Through with this before...

If he wasn't a servant at then, why was he sent out for another's will?

Do you understand what is called PROPHECY?

Barristter07:
How many Lord does the father approved ? Act 2:36 .

There is clear biblical evidence that his Lordship was permitted and controlled by someone greater, Then show us who Gave Father his One God status ?

Apostle Paul says "There is ONE LORD"

That means the Father isn't Lord according to your deluded mind....Hypocrite!

So there's no another biblical evidence that says Jesus is God before you spew this thrash "One God, is spelled out as The Father - 1 Cor 8:6"

That's why Jehovah's witnesses and hypocrisy can never be separated.

Barristter07:
Act 2:36 would have saved you this embarrassment.
" Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus , whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” - BSB

So his Lordship was as permitted by the Father. He Controls it. So that invalidate your point


But show me where Jesus made or Give the Father his Godship ?

Olodo....

Apostle Paul says "There is ONE LORD"

That means the Father isn't Lord according to your deluded mind....

Deal with that...Hypocrite!

Barristter07:
Just mark the point that the Messiah is a servant.

Has anyone ever denied this before?

Also, If he isn't a son. He will be a servant.

He is non before coming to earth

- The words " my servant, chosen one " , is this servant in existence at the time of this saying ?

Oma se oooo

Do you understand prophecy at all

Barristter07:
One Lord as permitted by the Father.

Idiotic respond

Apostle Paul said "There is ONE LORD" which is Jesus Christ, then the Father isn't Lord according to your deluded mind...

Barristter07:
Hehehe so Messiah is a servant . ( Take note of that when next you discuss Isaiah 9:6) bookmarked.

Who is the Messiah ? Was he in existence ?

He wasn't son abi, but angels are sons ... At least he was a servant right

Was he called a servant before coming to earth?

You keep exposing your ignorance the more...

How was the Messiah being a servant addressed who He is before coming to earth?

Barristter07:
Erin e De n pami

Isaiah 42:1 who is the chosen Servant ?

The Messiah

Then provide where the servant or Son became FLESH....from the scripture.

It's evident that you people can't distinguish between those verses about pre-human Jesus and when he came to join human.

Barristter07:
Where is " one God " written at John 1:1 ?

One God, is spelled out as The Father - 1 Cor 8:6

Also One Lord is spelled out as Jesus Christ, that means the Father isn't Lord too

Barristter07:
I seriously do not understand where you are going with the bold, Going by your heresy that Christ isn't son of God before coming to earth, Would you then accept Christ was a Servant of God before coming to Earth?

The @underlined shows how brainwashed are you.

Christ was the "ETERNAL WORD OF GOD & That ETERNAL LIFE" before He came to earth as Son!

I've asked you to provide where it is said in the scripture that THE SON became FLESH....you haven't till now!

Barristter07:
When you read Rev 1:4,5 , You would actually discover you are the exact Liar.

I've read it, do you?

V7 still says "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

Again, who is coming according to John throughout the book of Revelation?

Barristter07:
Emphasis on the highlighted, Now go back to Verse 4 and 5, That person is differentiated from Jesus the Faithful witness

Liars everywhere....

Who is coming according to John throughout Revelation