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Janosky:
God foreknew the Israelites were stubborn & stiff neck, who will forget the true God, and worshipped the golden calf, their murmurings caused Moses to miss the Promise Land, yet he rescued them from bondage in Egypt.. and even begged them to choose life/death. Deuteronomy chapter 28....

God foreknew that King Solomon will seize to worship Yahweh& become an idol worshipper influenced by his foreign wives, yet ,Yahweh made him king & blessed him immensely.

God foreknew that king Manasseh will be a very brutal king whose reign was notorious for bloodshed and unprecedented violence and idolatry..... Yahweh never interfered....

Yahweh foreknew that Steven will die a martyr, yet he never intervene.....
Yahweh foreknew that king David will arrange Uriah's murder and kolobi the man wife, God no even stop David...
God foreknew Genghis Khan, Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, will cause mass genocide in their political power ,Yet , Yahweh no stop them..
Janosky, the brainwash no get sense......

God knew people will kill Jesus yet He still allowed him to be born.

In fact, He didn't only know prior to that time but already SLAIN HIM before the foundation of the world.

Answer this, is there ANYTHING UNDER HEAVEN that can be hidden from God?

That God allows/permits some thinge to happen, doesn't mean He didn't know or approve it.

They're many verses in the scripture that centered on how NOTHING CAN BE HIDDEN FROM GOD.

This verse should enlighten your dark knowledge "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law." Due 29:29

So whatever was revealed in the scripture is for we human beings NOT FOR God.

Barristter07:
Must you always disgrace yourself

Kindly address the bold., If he used the power all times ... Why the statement " NOW I KNOW "?

Just like I said, watchtower is damaging your reasoning faculty.

Did God know THE END from the Beginning? Did you address that in my post before you asked yours?

Before Gen 22 you quoted, in Gen 18:19 "God already knew how Abraham will command His household and children to keep the way of the Lord...

So if you lack scriptural understanding, ask those who can help you.

Barristter07:
You have a good thinking ability, But i think u have also been deceived by religion to think God over ride mans freewill by knowing his future from start

Just as watchtower organization is destroying your thinking faculty.

The bolded is where u Got it all wrong , That God has the power to foreknow doesn't mean HE USED IT ALL TIME , God use something called Selective foreknowledge . that means he Choses NOT to know some things before

Imagine this very pathetic statement.....no wonder you can swallow every gebbrish watchtower dishes out for your.

God who knows "THE END from the beginning"

If He didn't use it ALL THE TIME...why is He God then?

Consider when Abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac, the Bible said God said to Abraham " NOW I KNOW " that u are faithful . Emphasis on Now uKnow ( Genesis 22:12) , Isn't that an evidence that He allow us to use our freewill on certain matters ? That applies to Adam and Eve .

Deluded JWs, that's how you people will just pick one verse from the scripture and use it to nullify every other facts in the scripture yet claiming to know scripture than everyone else.

I don't even how it sound in your ears saying "That God has the power to foreknow doesn't mean HE USED IT ALL TIME" very contradictory statement.

EtihadAirways:
How do I locate PETRA DIGITAL PRESS Along Games Village beside APC office. I want to go there from Finance Bridge

Enter any Area 1 car, then the one going to Begger from Area 1 (or might still be the same car), alert at Galadimawa Round About... You can take keke to Games village.

May God be praised forever!

Pastor Han the martyr of our time....April 30, 2016

EtihadAirways:
Please how do I locate the place from Area 11 or Finance Bridge?

Little research I did shows it's KUKAWA CLOSE not STREET. so if you enter "Along" from Bannex, stop at Gimbia Junction, go through the Gimbia street to the end of the road which is a T-junction take a right turn, then go down a little bit take your first right turn again. Then at the next T-junction take your right turn also and finally take your left (you're on the close, you can ask for the house number).

Check the attached pix, the red star is Gimbia street.

SetrakusRa:
Hi guys..

Pls, how can I get to kukawa street, Area 11, Garki from Zuba??

Quite Urgent

Enter Begger from Zuba then alert at Bannes, then enter along from there you can find your way.

OLAADEGBU:
Praise the Lord, somebody!

Amazing grace how sweet thy sound that saved a wretch like me!

I was once lost but now am found, was blind but now I see!


All glory belong to our Savior..

solite3:
You should start doing more thinking and less talking.
Things being created through Jesus is not the issue.
You are arguing against yourself.
The bible says All things was created through Jesus not some things.
Was the father created?
As far as anything is called created then it came through christ and without christ no created thing would exist that means Jesus was never created.
Do you understand now?

Brother you have time for these brainwashed JWs sha...

They can't reason for themselves that's why they argue blindly.

Look at the point you raised....which is exert fact John 1:3 stated: "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." NWT

Look at the two @underlined phrases and see how deluded they are, if it has possible for them to insert word like "OTHER" into that text like they do to others they would have done so.

I've used this line to reason with them both on this forum and one on one before yet they are still swimming in their self delusions.

How can you say Christ was FIRST CREATED and scripture keeps saying ALL THINGS came through same first created being.

Ask them how do they understand John 1:3 and see funny answers....

I'm so impressed with this man's policies.

This is how a leader should be ruling and very open-minded.

May the spirits of Nigeria's politicians never enter you sir!

hoopLA:
When will your inherent stewpidity ever leave you?

So the promise of tithing (earthly riches and prosperity) suddenly has vanished into thin air, and tithes and offerings are now taken into isolation?

Oga, just keep quiet, while people are gradually coming to their senses.

The brainwash trip is slowly coming to its end. People are waking up.

Benny Hinn has been at the forefront of this warped gospel where there is emphasis on financial investment. Now our own pastors have taken it too far.

Instead of you to shut your trap, you come here, trying to extricate those mammon driven frauds from the malaise they have plunged Christianity into.

You are a fraud.

You didn't get his message but you start to him different names.

Where in the article Hinn stated that Tithe and Offering are part of prosperity teaching? But the blogger had to add that to color his article.

Whereas when reading Hinn statement, one can deduce that it's all about "SOWING SEEDS"

Rilwayne001:
And you think these men will fold their arms while any person lead a revolution?

Sowore is still in cell oh.

The only way they (these men) can come in is to buy the heart of the leading team. That's why I said uncompromising person!

Sowore didn't pass any message before he started his own.

The message will be so strong that people will see the impending dangers ahead and having no option than to support.

Passing the message isn't even something of one week it can take months before shooting down the whole system.

Rilwayne001:
I doubt we really have the mind for revolution in this country. People will chicken out so easily. Lol. But obviously, this system is not and never going to work.

There's not impossible, all we need is to see a strong, bold and uncompromise person who will lead the revolution by first passing the right message to the people.

Rilwayne001:
See ehn, God is my witness, I didn't get #5 from this government. Even #1. Even I was getting anything, I would not come to criticize them at will.

OK I agree

All my services and campaign was because I hope for better future and better things for the national. And here we are not getting what we deserve. Wouldn't it have been better if it was as you assumed it to be

My brother, forget about better things in this country....revolution is the hope for better things not ELECTIONS!

No politicians in Nigeria as at today will want the status quo to change.

The funny part of it is that we Nigerians we don't even know the thing that'll soon hit us. Everyone still thinking all is well.

Rilwayne001:
Do you really think or believe I've ever pocketed any money from this government?

I know very soon your tune will change and you'll start to defend them...

Mr Wayne Wayne my friend anyway just remember me if something show...

Rilwayne001:
It was a terrible mistake. I should have simply observed and even should have campaigned for Fela Durotoye or Morghalu.

Buhari obviously is a terrible mistake. Obviously.

Make una forgive me

Ipob should please stay away from here though.

You did the same thing shortly after 2015 election....

Only God knows what happened (maybe few papers have entered your pocket then) you started defending this government again.

I could remember one of your thread, where I asked the sudden change in you and your respond was you're too quick to judge the government you should have given them more time.

Now repeating the same thing few months after 2019 elections. So pathetic!

Do you need more papers in your pocket now?

I know you can never change!

budaatum:
Then you don't know op, and you don't know Christ, for whosoever is not against him is with Him, and those with Him are peacemakers and not division makers like op.

Ok

There's nothing like "perfectly correct" when it comes to the Gospels. They were all written long after Christ had died by people who were not even there, and they have all gone through edits and rewrites over the years for all sorts of intentions and purposes. The JW version is just one more rewrite with intentions, but so are every version from the very beginning.

If there's no "perfect correct", at least there should be MOST LIKELY CORRECT rendition.

Which rendition is most likely correct, the word was God or the word was a god?

Yet are they all for the perfection of we humans, to learn from and to perfect ourselves like the Father in heaven is perfect. For when it is said that you should "Seek first the Kingdom of God", Wisdom is principal.

But if those texts are already corrupted and MOST HISTORICALLY UNRELIABLE Gospel, then it can't be for the perfection of humans.

budaatum:
I posted it in a thread where op is promoting hatred of his neighbours. That however bothers you not but my post does.

The truth, they say, frees. The Gospel of John is the most historically unreliable Gospel and indeed is my favorite. Unravelling the truths therein is like Jesus spitting on mud and rubbing it in one's eye. I trust that you will use your own brain and see no reason to hide information from you.

Claiming it's your favorite and as well MOST HISTORICALLY UNRELIABLE Gospel, doesn't make sense!

Anyway, I didn't see anything like hatred in the OP, it simply asked the same question people have asked for century.

Since you're unravelling the truth in John. Can you tell us which rendition is most likely correct or perfectly correct?

budaatum:
Of course I have. It's my favorite gospel!

it's your favorite yet you are promoting what you posted.

budaatum:
The gospel of John is the work of a Christian of the second century, who endeavors to construe a history of Jesus upon the basis of a belief in his supernatural existence. To him Jesus is no longer the expected Messiah of the Jews, but a cosmic being (viii. 23, 58), one with God his Father (x. 30; xiv. 10), through whom alone life, salvation, and resurrection are obtained (xiv. 6), while on the other hand the Jews were from the beginning his implacable enemies, with whom he had nothing in common (vii. 1, 13; viii. 41-47, 59; x. 8, 10, 31; et al.). All his discourses reiterate the same idea: God's fatherhood is understood only through the recognition of Jesus as His son (vi. 29, 46; xiv. 2; xv. 8-10, 26; et al.). The teaching of Jesus is summed up in the words, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another" (xiii. 34); and yet this teaching of love is combined with the most intense hatred of the kinsmen of Jesus. All the miracles performed by Jesus assume in John a symbolical character (vi. 26, and frequently). The Temple (ii. 21), the manna (vi. 32-59), the water libation on Sukkot (vii. 37), the light of Ḥanukkah (viii. 12, x. 22), the vine (xv. 1-17), "the way" (xiv. 6)—all these are turned into symbols of the Christ. In the preface, in place of the genealogies in Luke and Matthew, a heavenly pedigree is given him (i. 1-18), written by one who desired to represent his advent as a new Creation.

If I may ask, have you read the book of John by yourself?

Barristter07:
You didn't Deny he was appointed. Good move

FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE, Jesus himself and his Lordship. Excluding those make the verse a lie

Was Act 2:36 erased from your Bible?

Imagine....Jesus Himself was part of ALL THINGS yet the same ALL THINGS are THROUGH Jesus...

Meaning Jesus was THROUGH Himself.....very foolish reasoning.

I know if it was easy for you, you people would have inserted word like "OTHER" just as you did to other verses.

Which correlation ? Someone came from the other, does that not put a limit on the extent of All things in the second instance.

To prove it's Limited.

ALL things are Through the Father too , Why ?? What came through the Father ? Romans 11:36

This is to show that you lack scriptural understanding, now you also know that ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH THE Father too...it's so obvious with your satanic doctrine how you people always make The Father and Jesus to at war with each other by dragging power and position when the scripture is so plain about it.

If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH both the Father and Jesus isn't that an evidence that both are One?

Jesus said ALL THE THINGS the Father has BELONG TO HIM...does this means Jesus belongs to Himself....

Brainwashed JWs everywhere....

Barristter07:
Its clear enough, all things are FROM him. If you have issues Read Act 2:36 for clearance. To omit Jesus and his Lordship is to make the verse a Lie.

You are not making sense, except all things are ONLY through Jesus, which is not true.

All things are not only from the Father, they are By/through him as well . Begs the question: why ? Jesus himself came from him and through him .

Show me where in that verse that says the ONE LORD was appointed.....you haven't done that!

If not because your brain is paining you:

ALL THINGS ARE FROM THE FATHER
ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH JESUS

If your deluded brain can't see the correlation sorry I can't help you.

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Barristter07:
One God, the Father .. From whom ALL THINGS ARE . All things including Jesus Lordship ( Act 2:36 )

Self explanatory

Where in that verse wasn't it stated that the ONE LORD was appointed?

The same verse read "...and ONE LORD Jesus Christ by whom ARE ALL THINGS..." so ALL THINGS included Jesus Himself bah

Barristter07:


Stark ignorance , Even if you don't know the meaning of the Business terms she used, you should Google and stop embrassing yourself on internet .

If you ask for the Director of a company, You only mention the officially appointed directors. But that doesn't remove the ones whom these directors report to from directorship. Simply because they were appointed. Because the ones whom they report to were not mentioned on paper, they are called " Shadow Director " emphasis on " Shadow".


If Jesus was not appointed, this won't have mattered at all, In fact he would Solely be the only Lord , But as far as he was appointed, There is no way he can be above the one who appointed him . He is Lord, but the Father who appoint him is Lord too . just as shadow Director is


But when it says Father is one GOD . no such issue arise because He wasn't appointed

The whole issue is centered around " appointment " .

Where in that verse says the ONE LORD was appointed?

Jessicha:
Yes, both are Lords, but one is officially appointed , the other is a shadow director.

@bold is sufficient!

So you have TWO LORDS, that's interesting!

Are they not equal in POSITION?

one director appointed by me

The center point here is "ONE"

Take NOTE!

Olodo

Shadow director
A shadow director is a person in accordance with whose directions or instructions the appointed directors of a company are accustomed to act.

As far as Jesus is appointed. That makes the Father retains his Lord .

But the Father wasn't appointed as ONE GOD

SMH...

Where in that verse does it state that the ONE LORD was appointed?

Jessicha:
Clearly , you just proved why the Father retains his Lord position.

And both the son and the father are DIRECTORS in position.

Excuse me

Do u know the difference between Shadow director and appointed directors?

Whether shadow, dark, light: the son is a DIRECTOR...which makes them equal in POSITION....

How many director do you now have?

Why are you dodging this question?

Failure to answer that will end my discussion with you.

Olodoooo , go and study the difference between appointed directors and shadow director. Jesus Lordship so far he is appointed does not replace the Father as Shadow director too, Lord . Jesus is under him

Brainwashed!
Now it's appointed & shadow, you people won't kill person pikin with laugh...

Isn't director role equal?

Just look at how you people have been dancing around since why I only maintain just one position. Lemme see another word that is coming.

Janosky:
Matt 11:25, Jesus says his Father is "Lord of Heaven and earth" who made Jesus both "Christ and Lord " (Acts 2:36).
1 Cor 8:6 Jesus is "one Lord" but NEVER Lord over his Father or equal status of Lordship.
His Father has authority over Jesus lordship.


@1 Cor15:27, it's similar scenario, his Father is OUTSIDE Jesus jurisdiction, NOT subject to Jesus kingship.
Janosky ,brain scrubbed Jehovah witness....

Just jump into what you didn't understand and started spewing thrash.

If your brother claimed that 1cor 8:6 "There is one God the Father" means Jesus isn't God, whereas the same 1 Corinthian 8:6 says "There is one Lord, Christ Jesus" then we can as well say, the Father isn't Lord.

So go back to the beginning of our discussion before you start disgracing yourself and exposing your ignorance.

Barristter07:
Intellectually bankrupt .

Is Jesus Lord over his Father ?

Your false logic has been rendered useless.

If "There's One God which is the Father" proves Jesus isn't God according to your deluded mind, then "There's ONE Lord which is Jesus Christ" means the Father isn't Lord either.

This shows how you people just took any text from the Bible and use it to your favour, never mind what the preceding ones are actually addressing.

That's why you get confused when I brought up the issue of Lord, you have to claim there's is a biblical evidence that proves the Father is Lord! Yet you couldn't find the same biblical evidence that says Jesus is God before you spew that thrash.

Shalom!

Barristter07:
Your initial argument fails on the basis of Jesus been appointed.

Imagine...someone who lost count when his false logic was rendered useless.

Gra gra lasan , the issue here is not if somebody is called God, even humans are . the issue is the designation " ONE GOD " . OVER ALL .

Just as the issue here is ONE LORD!

But we found that " ONE Lord " was as permitted by the GOD . its over all if his Lordship is over all including the Father that appoint him , True ?

The fact is, Apostle Paul made it plain that "There's ONR LORD" which is Jesus Christ you can continue to twist it or remove that from your Bible as you do to many.

If its not over the Father, that make the Father Lord too , correct ? The same way the son directorship appointment does not make him lord over he who appoint him , but that one is a director over him too, correct ?

You're still dying in your confusion, it was stated plainly that "There's one God which is the Father" you agree Jesus can't be God because of this....

But you've been fighting your conscience ever since I showed you that "There's ONE LORD which is Jesus Christ" then the Father isn't Lord....

Jessicha:
My son is a director and nobody commits crime assessing him as one. But to say he is equal with me when his directorship can't control me is the height of dullness.

You agreed your son is also A DIRECTOR but still went ahead to say it's height of dullness to equate him with you...this shows that you are confused.

What an intelligent person will say is, in position (DIRECTOR) we're equal but in person we're not.

He was authorized as Lord not God Almighty.

Key point: by the Father authority, that proves the Father is his Lord hence still retain his Lordship.

But the Father is the One God and in fact Father of all including Jesus - Eph 4:6

Changing tune again, from Lord to God Almighty....deluded person!

Yes will act on my behalf according to my will. I appoint him remember ?

Does that not equate him with you on the same POSITION?

Is Jesus Lord over the Father ?[

This where my directorship lies over my son and others . u too dull abeg

Then your son isn't a director then...

How many director will the company have? You are still dodging this question!

You also boycotted this point:

Acting on your behalf means we have two DIRECTORS with EQUAL AUTHORITIES because to be a director the person must be 100% functioning.

Isn't Jesus still Jehovah now?

quote]Yes, cos I authorized only my son, same way the Father authorized only Jesus. Is Jesus Lord over the Father ?

But the Father is God over Jesus . deny ?[/quote]Why changing from Lord to God? Confuse idiot!

The point still remains, Apostle Paul says "There's one Lord" which is Jesus Christ, going by your false logic, the father isn't Lord.

One God, he even state it in other place that one God, is also the Father of All , kindly exclude Jesus from that. But Jesus is not Lord over his Father . control!

Keep jumping like kangaroo.....

Jessicha:
See stupid logic o,

You're the one using logic here, so your logic is the stupid one.

That's why you couldn't answer those questions but have to lump them up with your Mumbo jumbo.

Anyway, these are the questions again:

These are the questions again:

Is your son a DIRECTOR at that time?

Does anyone who address your Son as DIRECTOR committed a crime?

I appointed him as director, why would I be angry he is called director. but every sensible persons know I still hold the key to his directorship

The @underlined really exposed your hypocrisy....

So why then are you people denying Jesus His deity?

Remember, to be a DIRECTOR means your son will ACT FULLY ON ANYTHING THAT MAKES A DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR! Isn't it?

What is the essence of holding the key, if the Father LOVES THE SON so much that the Father and the Son are ONE?

My son is the only one director I appointed no fuss about it, He is acting on my behalf.

Just imagine....liar

You're still using style boycotting my questions, here is this one again:

How will you treat your own accountant who knew vividly that you're a director but went ahead to open company account with the name of your son ONLY with a bank and told the bank THERE IS ONLY ONE DIRECTOR (with your son's name only)

So what is the different between what you a director and

My son is the only director I authorize. The key here is I control him and made him what he is . everyone knows fully well am a director too, but Have delegated him to act on my behalf.

Since you're STILL A DIRECTOR then how many DIRECTOR will the company have

Acting on your behalf means we have two DIRECTORS with EQUAL AUTHORITIES because to be a director the person must be 100% functioning.

Isn't Jesus still Jehovah now?

Apply braiiiiiiin , same apply to Jesus , his Lordship is as a result of the Father's authorization

Yet Apostle Paul (the accountant in our illustration) have to say THERE'S ONE LORD...

The funny thing is, your brother who you jumped in to defend used 1 Cor 8:6 to proved that since Apostle Paul said "THERE'S ONE GOD" which is the Father then Jesus can't be God...when I showed him about how his argument fall flat by using the same text for Lord, his tune changed by saying there's biblical evidence that the Father is Lord...i then challenge it that, there's also a biblical evidence that Jesus is God....when he couldn't refute that, he later change to Lordship nonsense and you jumped in to compound the confusion.