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Mee234: adam built kaba. abraham rebuilt it. this manho must be a person(apology to logic boy)Don't mind them especially mahdino. After Qur'an claimed in numerous verses that Adam was the first Man created by Allah it still went ahead to say God choses Adam above people. It means people are living before Adam. Sura 3:33 Allah did choose [size=14pt]Adam[/size] and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people, @mamhdino-Stop validating your religion with Christian and tell yourself the truth. |
Bidam: The word FATHER doesn't mean secular father, if it means secualr father who is the mother The word Father refers to God's being the source from which Jesus was sent . Jesus did not exist as a person in heaven. He exist as THE WORD OF GOD. YOU CANNOT SEPARATE GOD FROM HIS WORD. The WORD now became flesh and dwelt among men. So when Jesus came to earth through the virgin birth by the Power of the Holy Ghost, He came as 100percent Man AND 100PERCENT GOD.So what the bible is saying is that God is ONE, but He expresses himself in three distinct personalities and dimensions. That is to say Both Jesus and the Spirit proceeded from the FATHER.This is perfect term of Trinity but they won't agree because to them Holy spirit is just a force. God: the Father.. The Son....is the word of the Father who became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. The Holyspirit.....the Spirit of the Father. Bidam you've really tried with these people. Kudos!!! |
truthislight: Jman is not the Judge of Man.How doest this thrash answer my question? |
solelymade: This speaking in tongue palava don tire me sef.. One of the reasons I will contemplate changing fellowship.May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the swift fellowship of the Holyspirit be with us all. The presence of the Holyspirit causes speaking in tongues(It means either to deliever a message through you including interpretation or to help you interced in prayer). It remains permanent at constant fellowship with Him. So any denomination that is forcing you to speak in tongue when you know that Holyspirit is not present with you pls R.U.N |
hisblud: where is it written "spirit person"?That is their newly added word, only God knows what they will be teaching in Ten years to come if Jesus taries. This is their definition of God now "God is an invisible spirit person"--watchtower Jan 2014, back page. According to them if Spirit means; Air, wind or force. Something is seriously wrong with this definition. Though JMAN05 and his like will never see it. |
JMAN05: let me show you that the same can be said of you. this bidam is stiff-necked and rebellious just like the Israelite. [size=14pt]he has been brainwashed by pagan doctrines.[/size] I pray God in His infinite mercy doesn't give up on him but delivers him.Kenneth Hagin once said the most difficult spirit to cast out is religious spirits.God help us.Pls a question about that bolded part, what will happen to those who practise this doctrine? |
What are you saying, I can see you can't understand that my post. mahdino: Why do u take Jesus as a prophet now, when we call him a prophet u say he is not, but ur God.No Christian we ever tell you that Jesus never play a role of a Prophet while on Earth. Even many people refers to Him as a prophet during His life time. The onious is on you people who try to place Him above against what your book claimed and later bring Him back to be the same person. You can see this when Muslims are using Deu 18:15-18 to claim that People never believe that Jesus is a prophet (it means Muslims believed He is more than a prophet) but going to Quran He is purely prophet. Is this not a confusion? Ok, since u believe now that Jesus is a prophet then u should understand that at the time of every prophet there is a prophecy of the next prophet and a testimony of the present prophet, so if at the time of Jesus people testify that he is the prophet of that time, then why does he have to say that there is another coming? And why do the people search for another prophet.Muhammad say Bible contains a dark prophecies because the spirit of God never walked with him through out his ministry. See the message of God to tell you that Muhammad doesn't receive his message from the God who spoke to Noah, Moses, Isaiah e.t.c Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. No prophet will ever come from God without having personal encounter or receive directly from God. Only Muhammad claim different! Food for thought for you. Beside no time to waste on Holyspirit about being Muhammad or not because only a closed minded person can look at how many time the statements of Jesus about Holyspirit and still conclude muhammad fulfilled the prophecies. Shalom! |
mahdino: Brother, are u saying that John the baptist whom your bible testify that there has never been one born of a woman as great as John, does not know the difference between Elais, Christ and the prophet? I know that u know that the Jews and John were talking of 3 different people. Now because the answer of the question is going to be Mohammad u don't want to accept it rather u prefer to call Jesus know a prophet, your God? Please use your God given intelligent and accept the truth. I don't know what the spirit is doing to u that u can't make out the difference between 3 and 2 this is simple basic english but if u don't want to respect John and the bible then u can as well say that Elais, Christ and the prophet are the same. U read in english but u understand the opposite of it. Jesus prophesied about u people that claim u are following him, "hearing they hear not, seeing they see not neither do they understand" if u love and respect Jesus u will keep the laws and commandment as he said in Matt 5:17 and follow the last and final messenger of God Mohammad as Jesus said when HE(Mohammad) comes shall guide u into all truth... John 16:12-14. If u want to examine that the spirit Jesus is refering to is a man check 1John 4:1-2The same old shi.t you still blind not to see my post above about this. |
harbiola1: Is that the only thing u could see there eh?Of course I saw it all but the same conclusion with you people is what I put pull out. Mintayo has tried enough to make it clear for you but the ability to open your mind and tell yourself the truth is a problem. 70/100%.I see. If time and space could allow us to expantiate this 70/30 I believe 70 of it will be those verses that didn't support your book while the remain 30 will be those that do. Anyway, the same thing happened in muhammad's time because he agreed that Bible contains a very dark prophecies. Sura 35:25 "And if they reject thee, so did their predecessors, to whom came their messengers with Clear Signs, Books of dark prophecies, and the Book of Enlightenment. So keep living in dark prophecies of Bible while people have been helping you to put light on them. So that you won't end up the way Muhammad end his life. |
Lb I support your view. Like I said sometimes ago that "Atheist have been helping Jesus to seperate shaft from wheat" because many christians really don't know the God their serving i.e Logicboy & co. Some are still christians because they were born into it. In Sport section I saw a brother who was trying to advise a new NLer he said "don't spend much time on religion section because you might turn to an Atheist" I was like hmmmm. I remember this verse "the hour will not come withiout fallen away first" and Jesus says "whosoever will endure in faith till He comes will He give the crown of life" |
Guilty conscience! |
harbiola1: Another discrepance!No time Muslims and Christians debate on issue like this without end up with this statement. Ask yourself why is it like that? The book you believed it full of many discrepances but you can still sneak into it to know your prophet is inside. ![]() |
hisblud: oya all jw lets port to that thread yooguz opened and lets trash the other false doctrine of arch angel michael.You can see how Jman05 ran away from that thread. Imaging for good 50years JWs can't recognize who Angel Micheal is and for over 70years they never know maybe Jesus should be worshipped or not? confuse set of people. |
harbiola1: 1.Jesus is not considered as a Prophet but Muhammed is.Anytime you people try to force Muhammad into Bible; thinking facaulty always find missing. Now if you agree that Jesus is not consider as a Prophet just to suite your claim. what will happen when you go back to Quran which says Jesus is a prophet? This are the people who will craw into Bible to show that Jesus is a prophet.....confusion and lies full your mouth. 2. Jesus is not the Jewish brethen because himself is a Jew. The Jews are 1 racial entity.I see you missed the very point here "IN THE MIDST OF THEE" not outside them. Jews and Arabs are brethen from Sarah and Hagar.See story. Who are the BRETHEN of Ishmael in these verses?Who is now the promise Son? (3)like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.Read the verse 18 together with it. which says "I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethen, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; [size=14pt]and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him".[/size] @bold-Did Muhammad hear from God or Angel. This took me to the book of John 16Even though you cherry pick the verse then why can't you quote it till verse 14....see again "He shall glorify me: [size=14pt]for he shall receive of mine(Jesus), and shall shew it unto you"[/size] I know you will never agree that it is Jesus who spoke to Muhammad, to be open-minded to yourself read it verse 15 "All things that the Father hath are mine: [size=14pt]therefore said I(Jesus), that he shall take of mine(Jesus), and shall shew it unto you".[/size] Maybe verse 14&16 were added later right! I can't see the delusion of you that Muhammad is in the Bible. SMH I can post 500+ words from the Quran that fulfilled the Prophecies above.Ofcourse you can but there are words of angel not the word of God nor Jesus. Now for clarification purpose, u will have to address those 4 prophecies that directly prophesied the coming of A Prophet and the Comforter. Don't attack me yet on the issue of the Comforter because i've said anything on it. Yours is to just say how Jesus and the Holy spirit fit into those Prophecies.Jesus fulfilled the prophecy by receiving His commandment from God directly and Holyspirit also Fulfilled His prophecy by Showing the things to come unto the desciples and comfort them and He is not visible. Shalom! |
Logicboy03: Yes, how does it feel to be told that you are more likely to be intelligent if you believe in the stories surrounding christ and the bible?I will go with the other question "do you feel pity for the militant Atheist?" Though I won't add the word "pity" but I always look deep down my heart by saying a little prayer like this 'that God who revealed Himself to me that make me stop doubting His existence will surely reveal Himself to Atheist'. |
proo212: Mintayo, Emusan,My brother I gat your point that's why I'm asking them that simple question... See what God Himself said in Num 12:6 "Then He said, “Hear now My words: if there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream" Hear God made it clear that NO PROPHET will ever come from Him without having a real encounter with Him either in dream or vision but from the beginning of Quran to the end Muhammad never heard nor see vision directly from God he claimed it was Angel Gabriel which all Muslims will never reject. I pray God will open their eyes sha! |
safarigirl: my dear, there are no mind games, every right-thinking coach and player should know that Nigeria no be beans, no be today we and Argentina get matter, but on July 25th, that matter must close, e be like say FIFA and God wan make we win Argentina before dem go give us another country to play. Only Bosnia's coach is living in lala land as concerns the Super Eagles, by the time we knack them 4-1 e go know say khaki no be leather, amala no be moi-moiHave been telling people that if Nigeria and Argentina match didn't end in draw, Nigeria will win them they say nah lie...what a faithless people in my country ![]() |
[quote author=WHξξ∟s]Didn't get you at all. Stop resorting to silly strawman in order to make sense out of your folly.[/quote]Very simple by answering this simple question....Is Christian and Muslim serving the same God? If Yes then you can continue to look for Muhammad in the Bible If No no need to look for him? simple as ABC ![]() |
[quote author=WHξξ∟s]do the above relate with this: Are you suffering from alexia or you are deliberately ridiculing yourself You need a theraphist dude.[/quote]Muslims with their caustic words.Why prophecies for the person who claimed that God who inspired Moses, Isaiah, Job e.t.c also inspired him but he never possessed all the quality of those prophets and called them a liar? Simple logic....if you can't answer the question then you don't need it because it will be very hard for you to understand. |
[quote author=WHξξ∟s]What I deduce from this discourse is harbiola in his curious nature put a self substantiating question in a bid to acquire knowledge from the gentle christians here, and his intention was genuine that's why he humbled himself to beg for answers from you folks. The thread was about prophecies and fulfillments that's why he raised the issue of an awaited prophet, please share the knowledge with him if you know the person who fulfill that prophecy or excuse yourselves if you are ignorant about what he asked.[/quote]The question is, is christian and muslim serving the same God? why are you looking for something missing in another man's house? |
harbiola1: Thanks for replying this.That Muhammad can never be qualify as a prophet to those who God spoke to in the Bible and he can't be found in the Bible NO! But,All versions of Bible are also the same in Hebrew or Greek. 2. It does has 114 chapter from Yusuf Ali to Pickhall and others whether in America or India.All also contain 66 books 3. You can not see a chapter/verse in one version but be missing in another version.Hmmmm pure lies....e.g Yusuf Ali's version contains 289 verses in Sura 2 while Allamah Noorrudin and some contain 286. and many more that I can't mention for now. Even going by the way of some versions like Maulana Ali & Allamah's version it clearly shows that Jesus died in sura 5:117 this phrase appear "but since you caused me to die" why others use "when you took me up" Try to get more than one version ehhh This is just 3 differences between Bible and Quran that i can remember for now.Check very well. |
harbiola1: Excuse me! if He was there, then He is there. And He was not there then He is not there.That is what I'm saying stop pretending as if you don't know. And i don't think u meditate on this statement of ur's b4 posting it.I always laugh at this statement from folks like you and it show the low level you're being operated. Does version the same as original? Today look at all the English versions of Qur'an is it the same? No! so get wisdom. |
mrakin: I don't like going into argument with anybody, we are all free to believe whatever we choose to believe.I don't like it too but something like this your post always resorted to it. The truth:Simple question, how did God begath Jesus? Christ is our saviour and the king of God's kingdomGod and Jesus has the same throne 3 All our prayers must be through the name of CHRIST but our prayer is directed to GOD.Correct! But Jesus answers prayer too 4 we need to avoid the works of the flesh100% correct. |
Lb pls help us reach out to other Atheist probably world wide that we need more public holiday. You gat my point ![]() |
harbiola1: No! Let use the same weight that christians used (e.g Jesus lived in such&such, Jesus is like such&such) to come out from theory into law as it's in those verses up there. Then after given me a clue of such, the onus would be on me to counter-attack ur theory. On a longrun, somebody will come out with the Purest Law. Lo ba tan (It's finished)You are still trying to make sure that Muhammad fits into Bible when your book totally bridge the relationship between the inspiration behind the two books. |
lanrexlan: What's he saying? Are you high on alomo?I have known you for this not today! Mind you the purpose of this thread isn't to argue with anyone for a very long post than to show that the Spirit that inspired Bible is different from Quran. I know none of you will agree that why offpoint is being given to the Op instead of addressing it because Muslims must find their way into Bible whereas there is a wide range in between the two Books. |
Kay 17: @truthislightFor now we scientist don't have answer to this question ![]() |
Kay 17: The problems of the above:Kay 17 longest time now You and Ooman just disappear on this forum ![]() It has been long I talk about science but let's do a little exercise Choose one from these two 1) Finite--it means Big Bang occurred and the universe has a boundary 1)Infinite--it means Big Bang didn't occur and the universe has no boundary Good-luck ![]() |
lanrexlan: By Allah,I swear I wanna reply you but when I read this poo you posted then I realised that you are just a lost sheep searching for pasture and sheep are gullible.If not because your daftness if of the highest order you wouldn't have spew this nonsense "the people of the book" are Muslims can you reason that way....and the passage is very clear that you people shouldn't argue because the two books were revealed after Abraham.... If Allah truly revealed Torah and the gospel(as he claimed), why will muhammad say you shouldn't argue with it. come with a better refutation ehhhh ignorance is not an excuse. Shalom! |
harbiola1: Actually, u just jump on the CONCLUSSION thatt Muhammed(saw) said other Prophets were LIARS when bible clear said they were MURDERERS, FORNICA. TORS, DRUNKARDS, IDOLATORS...See how you keep exposing your ignorance.....Who sent these prophets you're talking about? Did Allah not claim responsibility for sending them? Muhammed(saw) was doing what Jesus seems to have not enough time to do.Delusion....why do you think I opened this thread if not for this your useless claim. pls come with better prove next time and stop exposing your ignorance |
harbiola1: I can sense the fact that if this brother see the truth, is gonna EMBRACE it.So you don't have anything better than these poo ![]() Anyway TRUTH is bitter...... |
NOTE: This thread is not a rush & read type and then comment rather take your time to read through because all verses refer to won't be quoted fully. Some people see the major controversy between Christianity and Islam today as a result of Muslims being denied the death of Jesus Christ or Son of God(or mostly as God) of which the origin & content of each side speaks more than this. The major aim of this thread is to highlight the incoherent between each book being claimed to be inspired by the same person to draw our conclusion. Even though Qur'an isn't too interesting to read I can still decipher these points. THE CREATIONS The book of Genesis which mean "the beginning tells us how God begins His works and it is witten by Moses through revelation. Gen chapter 1 & 2 show how God prepared EARTH to stand out of waters and how everything are being created including MAN. God confirmed this creation accounts by the people who came after Moses i.e Job 37 & 38, Heb 11:3 e.t.c Qur'an claimed that EARTH was created from another body i.e heaven and earth were once in a mass before God caused them to be separated Sura 21:30 "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together [as one unit of creation], before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Again Qur'an said the sky and earth speak when God called on them to come forth willingly or unwillingly Sura 41:11. Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been [as] smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come [together], in willing obedience." Though they both agree on 6days creations and Adam & Eve. But the rest negate the creation accounts in the Bible. THE FLOOD Another exciting story in the Bible is the flood of NOAH. Genesis 7 details how many people who went into the Ark with Noah....number them as 8 peoples. How are will sure that this number is correct? The simple answer is God also comfirmed it through people who succeeded Moses: 1. Apostle Peter confirmed this in 1peter 3:20, 2peter 2:5 2. The writer of the book of Hebrew also did the same Heb 11:7 Qur'an said some people get converted through Noah's preaching and entered the Ark with him apart from his family. Sura 11:25-49 Again Qur'an also said one of the Noah's sons perished with the flood, Sura 11:43 "The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood" FALL OF SATAN Prophet Isaiah was well known for his remarkable prophecies and visions. In his book chapter 14:12-15 and 47:6-12, he spoke about Satan having said he will raise his throne above God and be like the Most High God as a result of this angel Michael waged war against satan and he was cast down to the earth. How true is this statement about satan? We can agree with this because another Apostle attested it: In John's revelation in the NT, God confirmed this Rev 12:7-12 Qur'an says Satan fell because he failed to submit/give worship to Adam when Adam was first created that God said let all the Angels submit/give worship to him. Sura 7:11-16 "11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis(Satan); He refused to be of those who prostrate", sura 2:34 ISAAC & ISMAIL This is no more news that Quran says Ismail is the promised son while Isaac is the son of the bound woman but I choose it because it being confirmed by Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:28 "Now we, brethen, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." PSALMS You may wonder and ask why the book of psalms? Actually I found this as total false in Qur'an. In more than two verses in Qur'an stated that it is Allah who gave David the zabûr(Psalms) But what we know about the book of Psalms today is that; is the collection of one hundred and fifty lyrics which compose the 19 OT books. Authorship of seventy of it ascribed to David, the rest were ascribed to people like Moses, Asaph, Ezra e.t.c. Psalms simply means "praises in Hebrew" and the whole book have been divided into two 1) songs of praises sang by these people in worshiping God. 2) is called holy written which means those part that were not song but speak about Christ mostly. The whole book of Psalms was not written by a single person. In Yusuf Ali's translation thought to have noticed this problem quickly inserted this phrase into his book [the gift of]. US, WE & OUR Going by the way of today's English these words are refer to as A PERSONAL PRONOUN which involved the speaker and at least one person. Though colloquially it means Me or I. These are unusual words used in composition of Qur'an which are very rare in the Bible except in two cases. We found these words in Gen 1:26 when God said "Let US make man in OUR own image...." and also in John 14:23 when Jesus used these personal pronouns to show that He and the Father are truly one "..and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him" In using these words it's obvious that the writer/speaker is not only referring to himself but group of peoples. Neither God nor Angels ever delivered a message in the Bible with these personal pronoun words. Now these words were widely used in Qur'an to the extent that it appeared in form of worship of more than one God i.e sura 21:90 "So We listened to him: and We granted him Yahya: We cured his wife's [Barrenness] for him. These [three] were ever quick in emulation in good works; they used to call on Us with love and reverence, and humble themselves before Us. Sura 10:12. When trouble toucheth a man, He crieth unto Us [in all postures]- lying down on his side, or sitting, or standing. But when We have solved his trouble, he passeth on his way as if he had never cried to Us for a trouble that touched him! thus do the deeds of transgressors seem fair in their eyes! Many more 51:36, 37:75-78, 39:2 that time and space won't permit me to list them all. The rest will be posted later! CONCLUSION It's crystal clear that the person who inspired the two books is absolutely different. No wonder Muslims always stuck in between to give a direct answer to this simple question "Is Christians and Muslims serving the same God" or quickly concluded that "Bible has been corrupted" If they agree with the question or didn't conclude either, their book is out of Biblical inspiration which is true anyway. Though it contains all figures(I mean people) that make up the Bible but it called those prophets a liar and makes God a liar too. Muhammad really called the past prophets and Allah liars as it stated in this Sura 3:65 "Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?" Yet He(Muhammad) claimed that the Torah(law) and the Gospel were revealed by Allah" Shalom! |
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You need a theraphist dude.[/quote]Muslims with their caustic words.