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dorox: I thought that the wages sin pays is death.

No No No! the only wages sin pays is TAX

hisblud: JMAN05 you seem to insinuate that am dodging your question on angels... note quite... this is what you asked and how i answered

From the above, you asked what is the hebrew word for angels and human when they are refered to as "gods"?

angels in hebrew is refered to as malak but when angels are referred to as "gods", they are called [size=18pt] mee'2lohiym [/size]

Human (man) is aadaam but when man is referred to as "gods", they are called [size=18pt]'2lohiym[/size]

But only YHWH is referred to as [size=18pt]Elohim [/size]

Now that i have shown you that [size=18pt] Elohim is used only for YHWH, [/size] why did thomas according to your NWT referred to Yahshua as "My Lord and My God" ...

And My God in that verse is Elohim.
May Thomas look at Jesus and said my Lord and look up and said My Elohim. So that we can go to the original manuscript to change the verse like this "And Thomas after he has looked at Jesus he said to Him my Lord and then raised his eyes up and looked into heaven and said My Elohim"
OR out of fear Thomas said to "Him My Lord and My God" so that we can change it again.

@JMAN05
Please NWT says in Gene 1:2 that the God's active force(which other versions use "spirit of God" was moving upon the the deep"(we all agree that JWs believe that Holy spirit is an active force of God.
Your book also agreed that God will put "His spirit on Jesus"(which is also the same Holyspirit) Isaiah 42:2
Now John 3:34 your book also agreed that God gave Jesus spirit not in measure!

My questions are,
*why do they use [size=14pt]active force for Spirit of God in Gen[/size] and use ordinary spirit in Isaiah & John?
*what kind of spirit did God put upon Jesus?

Pls don't post any link.

Shalom!

You really miss road try to copy your work and repost it in Islam section.....because the write up is meant for Muslims not Christains.....then if you think is meant for Christians kindly change the heading to "Why Christians should stop argue with Muslim"

Olyboy16: ***this post does not in any way mean the poster has any negativity towards christians in any manner. It is just an expression of the poster's thoughts in mind of the recent cancellation of islam in angola and the hot argues goin on..if this post annoys you, simply stop reading and ignore***.

You don't have nagetive mind towards Christians yet it shows in your write up that you do

"facts about islam and christianity"

On what did you base thess your facts?

We muslims and christians worship the same almighty allah(S.W)(or God-english)

Clap for yourself, first Muslim I will ever see to claim Christian and Islam serve the same God. What of Jew, are you serving the same God too?
No wonder the stories in the Bible is far differ from the one in the Quran.

but the only thing dat makes we muslims different is the fact that we dont think we cant pray to God directly without calling jesus and we dont thank or praise anyother God or prophet or spirit except almighty allah (S.W) wu created the jinns, prophets(including jesus nd his miracles nd his death nd his destiny), the angels and everything that has a name or not!!

Since they are serving the same God try and shout Halleluyah in musque afterall it has nothing to do with the name of Jesus.
So who is praising another god instead of the God Almighty?

So if christians say they are the best pls...

Error!!! no Christian will ever tell you this, is your conscience judging you? They will only say accept the only one who has come to save you and I from sin and will still come back to judge you and I for those who failed to believe He has come.

dont argue..infact, its nt appropriate of a pious muslim to argue wif christians who dont even acknowledge or knw a book that contains only the words of almighty God!!! Alone and prefer to read an hadith(bible) [size=14pt]which consists of words from mortal men nd which were meant to serve as a GUARDIAN (nd a reminder of allah(S.W)'s existence, oneness nd power ever b4 their generations were born) not a book of salvation, divine uniqueness and supreme ordersity as they claim.[/size]

Yet you claim you don't have a negative mind!
The incosistence in the statement above is this; you claim Quran is a word of God alone...on what did Allah write the book before He sent it to Muhammad? your answer will be No, but He recite it. Now simple question, How was Moses received the Torah from Allah & the Gospel of Jesus(even though He didn't write any)?
Again you said Mortal men.....and not a book of salvation......is Muhammad and Angel?......now tell what is salvation and how the past generations obtain salvation?

purely nd truely christian of high knowledge know this truth they only seem to hide it from others so as to keep the integrity of their churches...

who is deceiving who?

and as a mata of fact i believe in isa(A.S.W.S)(jesus) as a prophet, his gospel, his life and his teachings; nd even the bible for God has ordained us to get as much knowledge as we can and believe in the holy books..

Another excuse, you believe His gospel but you reject Him when He said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life know one get to the Father except by me" I guess they added that verse right?
You also believe in His gospel, do you know the meaning of Gospel? No! it simply means GOOD NEWS, so what it is the good news you believe about Jesus?

but i dont believe another name is worthy of calling, praising or thanking except almighty Allah(S.W) for help, seeking refuge, thanking and guidiance and also i dont think any book or reference is or can be greater than the direct words and guidiance of God(Al-quran) himself!!!..

No name has been given under the sun that man can be save than the name of Jesus.
Allah gave Moses the Torah is not also direct word from Allah?

Those are the true and clear meaning of islam..completeness, absoluteness and PEACE for "righteous believers" (not terrorists nd hypocrites) ..

I like them all but the book itself didn't potray all.

Now the only spot on islam seems to be the 'sects' nd terrorists who claim to be muslims...

It's real pity on them and they are embarrasment to Islam, infact the unbelievers now preached LOVE than all believers.

pls nd pls these people only saw the jihad wich is meant solely for holy wars and fights IN THE COURSE OF ALLAH(S.W) and took it as a vulnerability.. By d phrase "IN THE COURSE OF ALLAH(S.W)" i mean fights and wars with proper, righteous and Godly reasons, reasons that will sound sane even to christian..

Why war in the first place when the whole world need peace?

these sects nd terrorists mostly dont av these geniuine reasons..

Quran says they should kill unbelievers anywhere they find them, I think that's the reason.

they only fight and kill for thier own selfish and evil reasons while hiding under the cloak of the words islam and muslims....

No they don't but has been read in the Holy book, though it might not be to this extent.

i dont blame christians most times because they dont knw wat the jihad means or how it works so they mostly think these sects are performing holy jihad..NO! is the answer..believing in the oneness of allah and wearing shorter trousers(the reason 4 dis wil b made known to non-muslims on the day of judgement) does not signify or support terrorism...i rest my case

You have tried but try to know how to inspire not how to castigate!



Shalom!

truthislight: The word 'Hell' is a pegan latin word that crept into the bible during translation to latin.

The bible writers are all Jews and the laguages used in writing the bible are:

OT = Hebrew language.
NT = Greel language.

Those two languages dont have the word 'Hell' in it.

Hence, the word hell and its meaning is foriegn to the Jews/bible writers.

The Idea of Hell is of the pegan latin people.

The word 'Hellfire' is not in the bible.

The word hell was used in translation to replace the word grave in the bible.

Peace

You're wrong!

The word hell as being used in both OT & NT is different.
In the OT=Grave (position of death)
In the NT=Hade (a brim of fire)

Anywhere hell appears in OT it means a position of death whereas in the NT it means brim of fire.

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Ever Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace (of God) Be Upon You, everyone.

All Praise and Gratitude are due to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds.


Salaam Emusan.

Greetings from our Lord Christ Jesus in whom all the fullness of Godhead dwell. May His holy name remains forever bless.

Shalom DevotedOne

I noticed it, and here is the clear statement of Prophet Isa [Jesus, PBUH]. [size=14pt]He PBUH, does not ever, deny being Messiah.[/size] However, He PBUH, was sent only to the Children of Israel; isn't this correct? Now look at the following verse:

See following; It is a clear statement that Prophet [size=14pt]Jesus PBUH, is not "that Messiah," that is sent to the whole world:[/size]

[size=14pt]Jesus confessed, and said the truth: "I am not the Messiah.[/size]

These above statements are from you.

No need to talk much, only people like you still live in this kind of state. As you said earlier you don't believe all the written of this gospel, if we should explore the gospel to the bricks we will descover that only part that negate your claim is the one you will reject.

Remain bless bye for now.

Shalom!

[quote author=Ijele-igbo]Yes! The Bible recorded our God is a Jealous God!![/quote]I hope you didn't take my post as an abuse to Christian.

JMAN05: 2. bro finish that verse na, that He is a jealous God. that is what that verse is saying, NOT that jealous has become a name to which you call God. I wander who referred to God as jealous in the bible before.

What did I leave behind in that verse?
Blind fellow, I thought you know your Bible very well before ...mtcheeeee

NWT: Exo 34:14 "For you must not postrate yourself to other gods, [size=14pt]because Jehovah, whose name is jealous. Is a jealous God[/size]

Was Jehovah called jealous here or not?

God demands exclusive devotion. not sharing worship with anyone. that is the message

Who are you worshiping apart from God Almighty?

italo: Hmm! So there are "essential" and non-essential doctrines.

You meantion that Christ's death and resurrection is the essential doctrine, meaning all other doctrines of Christ are non-essential.

Where did Jesus tell you this?

Abi are you teaching from you own wild imagination?

What I've discovered in you was that you always fought a fight of carnal doctrine rather than allowing the word of Christ dwell in you richly. Which is too bad for a real follower of our Lord Christ Jesus.

Has it's been stressed out in the Op, the problem lies on people like you who always fight "my Church is better than yours"

This is what Apostle Paul was trying to say in
1 Cor 3:10-15 AMP "According to the grace (the special endowment for my task) of God bestowed on me, like a skillful architect and master builder I laid [the] foundation, and now another [man] is building upon it. But let each [man] be careful how he builds upon it,

[size=14pt]11For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is [already] laid, which is Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).[/size]

12But if anyone builds upon the Foundation, whether it be with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,

13The work of each [one] will become [plainly, openly] known (shown for what it is); for the day [of Christ] will disclose and declare it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test and critically appraise the character and worth of the work each person has done.

14If the work which any person has built on this Foundation [any product of his efforts whatever] survives [this test], he will get his reward.

15But if any person's work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire."

According to these scriptures have you ever asked yourself some simple questions like;
*Am I truly on Christ's foundation?
*What are those things I have made to know about Christ when I first begin and what have I found new in Christ lately/recently?
*Am I truly interpreting the scriptures accordingly or based on what I have made to believed? e.t.c

Bro. This race is a personal one not in respect of our parents nor pastor/Rev/Bishop

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the swift fellowship of the Holyspirit be with us all.

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

In the name of our Lord Christ Jesus, may He shine the light of his word into everyone.

It is likely that the above John 1-21-26 never occurred. See following; It is a clear statement [size=14pt]that Prophet Jesus PBUH, is not "that Messiah," that is sent to the whole world:[/size]

It would've even better to hold your peace than to make the bolded statement because it shows that you don't read your Quran.

Chapter 42
Then the disciples wept after this discourse, and Jesus was weeping, when they saw many who came to find him, for the chiefs of the priests took counsel among themselves to catch him in his talk. Wherefore they sent the Levites and some of the scribes to question him, saying: "Who are you?"

Jesus confessed, and said the truth: "I am not the Messiah." They said: "Are you Elijah or Jeremiah, or any of the ancient prophets?" Jesus answered: "No." Then said they: "Who are you? Say, in order that we may give testimony to those who sent us." Then Jesus said: "I am a voice that cries through all Judea, and cries: "Prepare you the way for the messenger of the Lord," even as it is written in Esaias;." *

They said: "If you be not the Messiah nor Elijah, or any prophet, wherefore do you preach new doctrine, and make yourself of more account than the Messiah?" Jesus answered: "The miracles which God works by my hands show that I speak that which God wills; nor indeed do I make myself to be accounted as him of whom you speak. For I am not worthy to unloose the ties of the hosen or the ratchets of the shoes of the Messenger of God whom you call "Messiah," * who was made before me, and shall come after me, and shall bring the words of truth, so that his faith shall have no end."

Thank God that you are the one who said that you solely believed so much about this so called "gospel of Barnabas" [size=14pt]now see the reason you need to reject this false gospel yourself unless if you want to continue to hide under delusion.[/size]
the gospel claimed that Jesus rejected being the messiah, [size=14pt]of which Qur'an itself confirmed Jesus as the Messiah Sura 3:45[/size]
You said it earlier that the authenticity of Quran made you choose the only undiluted part of the gospel, now is it Qur'an that is correct or gospel of Barnabas?

I guess you didn't notice this before you paste it.

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom!

JMAN05: Not "I am" BUT "I am who I am". Ex. 3:14 NIV. Dont remove one "I am" nor remove the "who", if not, you are no longer talking about the name.

[size=14pt]I wonder where you saw jealous as a name.[/size]

See you I Am means "Me" now if you want to understand it better "Me that is Me" this simply means beside God no one again.
And Jesus said "....before Abraham was..."Me"...."

@bold-Bro read Exodus 34:14

JMAN05: NWT has not been there then.

Sorry for deviating from the Op or your point, I don't mean any harm.

I need your respond on these questions;
Do JWs believe in Jesus as the saviour?
Do JWs believe in the death of Jesus?
Do JWs believe in the second coming?

Just want to know doesn't have anything with this thread.

Shalom!

lanrexlan: A brainwashed tree??

Don't tell me you're taking this word literal? If you do that's a serious issue.

Where are they selling spiritual wisdom to explain those glaring contradictions in the bible please?

Just by asking God for His Holy spirit through Christ.

They are doing great,Alhamudulilah.

Glory be to God Almighty who has given us salvation through His Son.

Miss them seriously, I wonder why they didn't show up on this thread!

lanrexlan: Fun? You said Jesus is not of this world,I asked you if he was from Jupiter and you were like LOL.Is he from Jupiter or Venus?

Your answer is in that scriptures which I gave to you, read it with humble mind not with arrongance

I'm just using that as an example.

Alright sir.

Thought as much.

Abi nah, I only know about IFA and orunmila....lolllll

Na wa o,innocent tree cursed for nothing and yet innocent people will rot in hell for nothing.What kind of salvation does 'Jesus' have for you? Salvation through curse[Galatians 3:13]?

Yes, all the brainwashed innocent.
As you understood the verse.

Lol,how can Mikel has the spirit of Okocha in him? Re-frame it,Mikel is playing in the spirit of Jay Jay Okocha means Mikel is Okocha's alike and have got qualities of Okocha not Okocha himself and Mikel doesn't have the spirit of Okocha in him.
Having the spirit of someone is reincarnation,get that into your goddamn brain and keep twisting the bible to suit yourself.
What's he saying? The verses you gave talked about Moses and Elias appearing to 'Jesus' on a mountain.'Jesus' said Elias has already came but people don't recognize him.Which Elias was 'Jesus' speaking to again on the mountain? Forget it self.

Why will I forget it?
Since you believe John is reincarntion of Elias, you are still asking me again which Elias was Jesus speaking with? See how shallow your knowledge is about scripture!

Mr flowing with holy spirit,keep quiet please.It's just a simple explanation.
We know the bible contains contradictions that can never be solved till eternity and that's why people find it very hard to accept it as 100% GOD's word.

I've been explaining it since, get spiritual wisdom man. Those things you count contradictory will clear off your brain.

'Jesus' is an alien and not human abi?

Check those verses again John 3:31-36

Explain to us that John knew who 'Jesus' was.

No time to waste man.

You've got nothing reasonable to say again.Quit whining and stop wasting my time if you can't provide where John was a sinner which I asked for.Don't tell me to read what John says about 'Jesus',I know that before.I repeat Give us verses from the bible that calls John the baptist a sinner.Very simple.

If I give you the verse(s) I know it will still be the same Old story and things have change, Emusan has change toooo. so you now you wont get anything because the assignment I gave you, you failed to carry it out.....

Where is Mahdino and Udatso quite being a long time?


Shalom!

lanrexlan: It's a question na.

Actually I thought you just made it out for fun.

Rubbish again.
What do you know about spirituality? When christians can't refute a certain muslim,then they say he lacks spiritual knowledge.When some christians I know of failed to explain trinity [How 1+1+1 can equals1],then they will say you lack spiritual gift.What's spiritual about knowing that One is one&sum of one in 3places is 3?
He's Wheels,I picked it when he dropped it doesn't concern you.
Lwkmd,tree brainwashed? An innocent tree that doesn't grow on its own? I will soon ignore you again.

Don't bring the issue of Trinity into this in other to derail this thread.
I don't know anything about spirituality sir.
Yes the tree is brainwashed like many people as they are innocent but will still rot in Hell.

Yeah,you didn't deny both verses contradict,but you were contradicting yourself.
Imagine again,stop giving your own interpretation.John being given the spirit of Elias is different from John possessing Elias' attributes and qualities.

If you're a fan of a football take this perfect example, Mikel has the spirit of Jay Jay Okocha does it mean Mikel is the real Okocha? It left for you to decide.

How can Elias appeared to Jesus again?

Lemme help you because of your last point, read Matt 17:1-4. Anyhow you understand it, it's left for you. Then you will know how to compare spiritual with spiritual and that Bible is not a book like novel.

Was Elias' soul duplicated? Giving the spirit of someone means you are that person but in a new body[Reincarnation],you are the exact of the person[/b]in a new body.If John possesses Elias' attributes,then he's not Elias but [b]Elias alike and similar to Elias,not Elias himself.Read this.Matthew 17:10-13 (NIV) -The disciples asked him,Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?
Jesus replied,To be sure Elijah comes and will restore all things.But I tell you, Elijah has already come,and they did not recognize him,but have done to him everything they wished.
In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.The disciples realised that John was Elias,'Jesus' said Elias has come but they(the teachers) don't recognized him because he was in new vessel[John].
They were waiting for Elias and not Elias alike.Quit twisting the bible.

Anyhow you put it, this is the reason you need spiritual discernment to read Bible.

Mtcheew,answers ko answers ni.The contradictions in the bible remains for eternity,no solutions to it even from your revered pastors.

Thank God you know this,

Apply to this your silly statement.
This is stupidity,Human nature may be disturbing 'Jesus' and John.Is Allah(swt) a human? SubhanAllah,You are making silly comparison&expect me to address it? Allah says in the Quran Surah Al-Maidah 5:116- ...Had I said such a thing,You would surely have known it.You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours,truly You,only You,are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.Allah is All-knowing,he will ask when he already knows what Jesus will sat

I didn't apply the human to Jesus yet you include Jesus' name hmmmm
I know Allah knows All things because He is omniscient but the reason I related it to the case of John is what you stressed out in your last statement.....John fully knew who Jesus really was but John was in the prison when his desciples came to him. no much time to clear this point.

the greater problem with you.You can't comprehend my posts,always repeating the same thing.

Assignment for yourself

OK.

I can bodily tell you that no sin of John the baptist was recorded in the Quran.
Do the same by giving us the verses that called a sinner from the bible,I know of none.
Lol,it's like a lecturer teaching students in a classroom.The lecturer's Job is to give the lecture,if the students comprehend it or not is none of his business. [size=14pt]Yours is to give the verses,if we accept or decline is none of your business[/size]

Of course it's my own effort and precious time which is my business.

@bold
This statement makes me give the above verses and the this one.

Read this scriptures of John the Baptist's statement about Jesus which I know it won't have a place in you lest the light of Gospel will shine on you.
John 3:25-36, pay attention to verse 31-36
This also answer your first question


Shalom!

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the swift fellowship of the Holy spirit be with you.

Salaam Emusan.

Shalom Devotedone

[size=14pt]Yes. I suspect that Barnabas' gospel was tampered with.[/size] This is why I depend on The Noble Qur'aan's guidance in matters concerning the Gospel of Barnabas.

@bold- you suspect not that you have the evidence.
If I should just take it, how are you sure the one correlated with Quran wasn't tampered with?
who tampered with the rest, when was the book begin to change and why do they do such thing?

Note: I don't believe the gospel you're talking about but only show you your bias mind toward the rest of the book just to support your own claim.


Shalom!

lanrexlan: He was from planet Jupiter abi?

Lollll

I'm not saying greater and sinless are the same.

OK

If 'Jesus' was sinless according to you[Which you failed to prove],[quote]So that I can waste my time in what you can't say OK, you're right!

[quote]then a man greater than him should be sinless too.
Take for example,Mr. A weighs 90kg and Mr. B weighs 55kg under normal circumstances.This shows Mr. A is greater than Mr. B and Mr. A can survive what Mr. B survives and even more.If Mr. B could lift a weight of 25kg with ease,will Mr. A not lift the same weight with ease? It's obvious,Mr. A is greater than Mr. B.
Similarly,if John the baptist is greater than 'Jesus' according to the bible and you said 'Jesus' is free from sins[You don't prove it].Then,do you expect John the baptist a man greater than 'Jesus' to be sinful? This shows John the baptist is sinless too.Do you get my analogue?

Poor analogous, we compare that which is spiritual with spiritual and physical with physical.

The least one in the kingdom of heaven may be greater than him,but he's greater than those born of women and 'Jesus' was also born of a woman.That's my concern here.

You can see how shallow your spiritual life isis.

Shut the Bleep!!!

You've picked it where WÉÉL dropped it.

Why did 'Jesus' cursed that fig tree when he knew the tree doesn't grow on its own and it isn't in its season to bear fruits? Why??

The tree is brainwashed like many people.....thats why!

Was that good enough?

Yes! Same way He will use His word to send those who failed to recognized Him to Hell.

You were busy talking about John the baptist being the reincarnation of Elias in one place and denied in another place.
You said again
This means John the baptist was Elias reincarnation according to your statement but it's like you don't know the meaning of reincarnation before spewing another rubbish.
Reincarnation means:Rebirth in new bodies or forms of life; especially:a rebirth of a soul in a new human body
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reincarnation
That means John the baptist was a rebirth of a Elias' soul,John was just a vessel.Then you came to spew this
Who's contradicting who? Jesus said John the baptist was Elias and John the baptist denied being Elias.
Who's lying? Was John the baptist so daft that he won't realise that he has the soul of Elias in him? Don't you know soul controls that body? Can two souls be in a single body? Who's wrong? 'Jesus' or John the baptist?

I said I didn't deny the two verses, is simple English hard for you?
Thanks for the break down but I know the meaning and I fully understood what I'm saying without contradicting myself.
For clear understanding about John being given the Spirit of Elias/Elijah....means John possesses all the attribute that makes Elias Elias but he is not the real Elias.....the real Elias &Moses spoke to Jesus when He took some of his disciples to the mountain to pray. I don't even know how to express myself again things of spiritual is too hard for non-spiritual mind to grap.

Another Fallacy,should I quote those verses and you that claimed to be filled with the so called 'Holy spirit' like those bible writers should interprete for us?

You don't need to dear, just type "contradictions in the Bible" on your search engine I believe roughly nothing less than 500 answers will be given to you by different site.

That Allah(swt) is not All-knowing? SubhanAllah.

I said apply your explanations to what lead to the reason of quoting those verses..hmmmmm

What are you saying? He brought up John the baptist because You said
This statement of yours confirms that John the baptist was a sinner,you've included him in the category of the sinful people.
Then,my brother asked
Then you said

The problem I always have with you is you don't take time to read my post which make it hard for you to digest..why why Lanrex?

Is Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah, e.t.c sin or their sin recorded in the Bible? Assignment for you...
He askes me of John which I told him that [size=14pt]I don't have time to waste quoting for you in a book you term corrupt[/size]
Since this statement came from me, my expectation is for him to quote one or two verses either from the Word of God or his Holy book to show me see the reason while I'm wrong about John.....or he should forget about it......Simple!

you damn sure John the baptist was a sinner and we keep asking you to prove it.It's None of your business if we believe the bible is corrupt or not.At least,you as a christian believed your bible is 100% GOD's words.Then,prove John the baptist was a sinner at least from it and stop beating around the bush.

100% sure!
You can't tell me the Bible is corrupt yet expecting me to waste my energy and time explaining what I already know you have blocked your mind against. I'm not even expect this chat to last to this end because I'm trying to avoid such.

Shalom!

GeneralShepherd: I am an atheist, I dont believe in God because there is no proof and I don't care if you believe in Him.

There is a common perception that there must be “something more” to atheism than simply disbelief in gods because atheists so often debate theists. What’s the point of debating if not to convert someone to some other philosophy or religion? It is, then, fair to ask why atheists get involved in such debates and what they hope to achieve. Does this show that atheism is some sort of philosophy or even a religion?

Let's discuss please!!!

What a million question....
Atheist have been helping Jesus to separate the tears from the wheat (those who didn't know their stand in Christianity) and helping those who are weak to be strong.

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]Don't mind me abeg, the dude is pulling a fast one, he hate to substantiate everything he say that's why I want to try his [size=14pt]knowledge of hebrew. Believe me if he were to repond his lazy response shall be something like "am not a hebrew" or "I ignore this".[/size][/quote]Try my knowledge in Hebrew....what a pity......Ask your fellow brothers about me using this word "SHALOM"

All your post that I ignored is to create a chance of enjoying more bit of this conversation because it shown in your post that you lack something.

Shalom

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

May the grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

Peace Emusan.

Shalom, DevotedOne

I do not see the response to this incident as being combative. The intention here, as presented to my mind, is one of calm, lack of stress, peacefulness.

Likewise me!

Yahya (John The Baptiste), is mentioned in The Noble Qur'aan. If it was at any time included, in Barnabas' gospel, [size=14pt]it may have been left out by one or more translators of the Gospel of Barnabas over the years.[/size] I cannot be certain regarding what occurred.

The only thing Quran said about John is that He confirmed the Word of Allah.......It didn't give the full detail of His mission.
@bold did my eyes see this or what?

Explain:

That Bible is corrupt.

I have rejected no other gospels. I accept what is truth in them, although I may ignore any interpolations.

So what are the things true in other gospels.....I guess when Jesus says "He is Son of Man"!

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom, Emusan

lanrexlan: How did you know 'Jesus' too never sinned?

Because He was not of this world

You are just going around circles,you failed to give us verses from the bible that called John the Baptist a sinner.You deliberately called him a sinner without scripture backings and said 'Jesus' never sinned without scripture backings too.
Matthew 11:11 (NIV) -I tell you the truth:Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Does GREATER and SINLESS the same? just want to know.

'Jesus' was born of a woman too,so if 'Jesus' said there's nobody greater than John the Baptist,then John the Baptist is greater than 'Jesus' and if you said 'Jesus' never sinned[You failed to prove it],then John the Baptist know no sin because he's greater than 'Jesus' according to this.

The verse you quoted also says " yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he(John)" what does this statement mean to you?

In fact,Is 'Jesus' sinless according to the bible? The bible says in
Romans 12:14 (NIV) -Bless those who persecute you;bless and do not curse.But we found 'the loving lord' cursing an innocent tree because the tree wasn't in its season of fruits and 'Jesus' was damn hungry[Mark 11:13-14]
.Then he rained woes on his people and call them different names like vipers etc[Matthew 23:13-29].Is this a sin or not?

Another carnal minded interpretation.

Seriously,I don't understand all these Elias you are just saying.'Jesus' said John the baptist was Elias and John,the baptist rejected being Elias.One must saying the truth and one must be lying.

Did I say these two verses were wrong? read my previous post again.

Which 'spirit of God' was then inspiring these men to write contradicting stories on the same issue?

To you it looks contradictory just because you don't have the same Spirit to give you the knowledge of what He has inspired this great men to put down.

Imagine this,will 'Jesus' meet everyone that ascribed the wrong things to him on earth when he comes back? Will he meet all those that worshipped him as a god besides Allah on earth when he comes back? He will meet a few of them and he will reject the claim of being a god besides Allah and on the day of Judgement when all creatures that ever lived on earth will be gathered,then 'Jesus' will be brought out as an evidence against those that worshipped him besides Allah.He will then cleared himself before the whole people that ever lived on earth by saying
Surah Al-Maidah 5:117 -Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say:Worship Allah,my Lord and your Lord.And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them,but when You took me up,You were the Watcher over them,and You are a Witness to all things.Is this hard to comprehend?

Now can you apply the same to what lead to this part!

The burden of proof lies on you,you claimed John the Baptist was a sinner,then provide proofs for it and stop asking my brother to do that.

You jump into what you didn't start from the beginning......he was the first person who brought the matter of John simply because I said Jesus never sinned, so if truly he want to prove me wrong he would have quoted a verse from the Word of God or from Quran to tell me see why you're wrong. I made it clear that no time to waste on quoting from the Book he has totally rejected...yet he keeps asking me to prove myself

Shalom!

Fiery 230ft crater nicknamed the 'Door to Hell' baffles scientists after burning endlessly for 40 YEARS


With fiery embers glowing deep underground, it looks like a scene from an apocalyptic sci-fi blockbuster.

But this huge crater is amazingly a real-life phenomenon which has been flaming away for more than four decades.

The 230ft-wide crater, known by locals in Turkmenistan as the 'Door to Hell', has baffled scientists since it first appeared more than 40 years ago.

Originally a level surface, the site was identified by Soviet scientists in 1971 as an area that was believed to house a substantial oil field.

However, the ground beneath the drilling rig soon collapsed, creating a wide crater that was believed to be releasing large quantities of methane gas, a potential danger to the nearby villages in Derweze, Turkmenistan.


Scientists decided that the most efficient way to solve the problem would be to burn off the poisonous gases -- by doing so, it was expected that all of the gas in the crater would be burnt off within days.

More than four decades later, though, the crater is still ablaze with endless flames and boiling mud - and hundreds of tourists flock to visit it every year.

The Karakum Desert, where Derweze is located, has one of the largest gas reserves in the world. Turkmenistan hopes to up its exportation rate around 75 million cubic meters of gas in the next 20 years.

Will Keeping, a retiree from Buchlyvie, near Stirling, visited the crater last month.

Unaware of the Door to Hell's existence before he visited Turkmenistan, Will, 57, was told on his tour that the crater was one of the hundred most bizarre places to visit before you die.

Intrigued, he decided to ride across the bleak desert environment, not knowing what to expect.

Will said: 'During daylight, I was initially not impressed as it looked like a hole in a vast desert. As we got nearer and the glow from inside the carter became evident, though, I started to notice the size of the crater and wondered how could continually glow like that.

'As I approached on foot, it became clear that this was a large crater and that inside was like a huge open furnace. At first, it appeared that it might have been a natural phenomenon, but the sides of the crater contradicted that. I could see the bent and rusted remains of some sort of metal railings or structure, implying some sort of catastrophe having occurred long before.

'I stood there gazing into the crater, the sheer size and intensity of the fire inside became more and more apparent.

'As the sun began to set, the location slowly transformed from a large, isolated furnace in the middle of the desert into the centre of attention that dominated the surrounding area - the glow became more intense and lit up the area including the sky above. It was impossible not to be drawn to the crater, something that was just dominant over the surrounding area.'

RoyPCain: ^ Jesus has not been questioned, yet. The episode is a future [Day of Judgment event] matter told to the prophet [SA] over 1,400 years [time of wahi [revelation of the Quran]], ago.

You think I lack basic English niii? Simple question is hard for you to answer....
did Allah respond to Jesus statement or not?

Your encounter with Jesus is not with Jesus son of Mary [AS]

Another blunder from Muhammad...He said Allah gives Mary good tiding of a Son whose name will be Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..
ignore that messiah for now...let's talk about Jesus, son of Mary; this name was used right from inception till Jesus was took up even in Heaven.....is it that other prophets don't have mother so that their mother's name can be attached to their name?

Shaytan has deceived you. I am warning you to make a reverse, less you end up terrible without an end to the terrifying condition.

Imagine I'm deceived lollll.....I pray the light will shine on you.

Jesus [AS] is going to answer, exactly as Allah said. Allah shall confirm as He has stated after the statement of Jesus that which he has been programmed.

Did Allah respond to Jesus' statement or not?

If you don't get it, blame your language tutors; both english and edo.

Lol....for your information the conversation btw Allah and Jesus started from verse 109 so nowhere to hide for you.

[quote author=WHξξl]n has a reason to doubt the bible's authenticity, what you lack is sincerity that's why you are unable to admit the numerous discrepancies inside the trash in your possession, that's hypocritical dude.[/quote]Lemme just ignore this, for better conversation.

Regarding your allegation that John is a sinner I can plainly say the bible has never record the sin of john and you lied when you want to forcibly declare this pious servant as a sinner, seek Gods forgiveness while you still live

Then how do you know he never sinned? I guess you throw out some verses embrace some.
remove the mot in your eyes while beholding someone's else eyes.

Utter futility, false evangelism at its peak, are you void of the spirit? Is the spirit a carnal mind also? How unfortunate that the all knowing spirit dwelling in you can't substantiate a simple statement.

Do not blasphemy against the Holy spirit of God, the greatest sin ever without forgiveness....by Jesus Christ!

Statement like?

Do you even bother to ponder on the disaster you are creating?

As in...?

So the spirit has never tell John that he was the reincarnation of Elias?

Failed! John was not the reincarnation, can you see what I'm talking about? Carnally minded.
Just a brief, Jesus took three of His disciples to the mountain there Moses & Elias appeared to them....if John was Elias' reincanated how can he appear to them again? Then you will find out what did scripture means by Elias to come.

Are you this daft?

Lemme ignore this again!

Did John lie to God when he denied being Elias?

He didn't, ask for wisdom!

2 timothy 3:16 said "All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"... Why would God inspire John to lie?

I realise you need a Bible school teacher which time & phone won't permit me to do.
Just for simplicity, Bible was written from historical perspetive "means what happened in the history and men being inspired by the Spirit of God to write them"
is God inspire Abraham when he said Sarah is his Sister not his wife?
is God inspire Peter to deny Jesus trice?
then you will know you have a long way to go when comes to Bible.

Was john hallucinating? How pathetic! If john has really heard the voice and see the dove descending he will never contemplate to ask again. Again is the spirit responsible for this vivid piffle?

As stated above & below reply

Jesus has never ask people to worship him and he will declare, deny and clear himself from what they attribute to him. Allah is using him to stand as a witness against them and every prophet will stand as a witness to his people to testify of the message he was sent to deliver.

If thid statement is true, then why Allah need to send Jesus first to the earth in other to clear Himself from all the allegation ascribed to Him? maybe it means Allah is not all knowing or what can we call it?

Yeah, lying to John deliberately potrays you insane.. That's the logic behind the homily.. Depend that and stop cringing or backdown if you can't.

Lemme ignore this again

You don't have the balls to face my appeal that's why you are cowering, you lied to John when you said he was a sinner and you lied to your altered book when you say it reports John as a sinner.

Alright, but simple fact is I don't have to waste quoting the book you've totally rejected.
Well if you think I'm lying just provide an evidence to support your claim.

Shalom!

Uyi Ireyda: • From the perspective of other religions opposed to yours, even though your religion descended from theirs, or theirs from yours. A good example of this is how Christians believe Jews will still go to hell without Jesus bever mind the special place they have in God, and how conservative Jews still disbelieve the Messiah (as Jesus Christ) has come and await his coming (not Jesus' second coming) on earth.

Every religion is proclaimed as truth, some moreso than others.

• Have you read the history of your religion ? And not just through the eyes of an apologist scholar who practices the religion eg William Lane Craig and so would tend to show bias against data or thought that conflucts with his religion. Have you read outside of Bible schools, if you are a Christian, and gone to other sources by historians to get a different take, on the history as it is, of your religion ? Why not ask yourself of your ancestor just a few centuries back, her religious beliefs and how different they would be from yours. Or consider that history tells us there was once no Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

The history of religion is a cycle of life, growth and death.

• What if what you always believed deeply was a lie ? A seemingly faithful husband, an innocent child rebels, money will satisfy my wants. The emotional turmoil that results when the lie is verified drives some to madness. One way of avoiding this possible madness. Pretend the lie is actually true. But this is conflicting especially when one considers the lesson we all are taught: to speak the truth in good conscience. And if some of us have in all honesty denied one religion for a 'true one', or denied religion altogether, this should ginger a recheck of what you consider to be true, in case it is a lie.

Religion binds people to a truth so its lie is ignored

It is true that some Christians might not go out to read about others religion.

Like I always say if many christians in the past or now are still based their faith on what was written in the Bible only, I will assure you that Christianity would have crashed out but some people have found God beyond written i.e manifestation of God. I'm a typical example.

The major challenge in Christendom today is because many doctrines have been mixed with the doctrine of Jesus Christ which many people didn't know that it's a great warning signal to seek God personally through Christ.

I didn't say Christianity is the best religion but the question that always come to my mind is this, if Jesus made a promise over 2000yrs ago and in an humble mind with total submission and strong faith, you find out the promise to be truth. Did He lie? No! Meaning whatever He said is true.

Lastly, the question I still need answer to by any folk is, if people converting from one religion to another I.e Christianity to Islam vise visa, even non religion i.e Atheism or Agonism vise visa. What is the missing link?

Shalom!

You're absolutely correct
Bible: is a compilation of different inspired books written by Men of God as they were moved by the Spirit of God for reproof, admonition, corrections, and instruction in righteousness.

People of old don't need all these compiled books because those men were present with them. The word of God continue till eternity just that the one which have been revealed and sealed must not be added or subtracted.

But the major point today is that people didn't pay attention to the crutial part of Bible again....I mean the practical aspect of the Bible.

Shalom!

macof: Sure God has many names but when u say God we should understand if u mean Bible God or God of the universe

We are talking about the God of all flesh whom the whole universe originated from!

The I Am that I Am
Jehovah~nisi
Jehovah~jareh
the God of the mountain above mountains
the Eledumare
Oyigiyigi
Alagbara to so ile-aye ro
Ogbagba ti n gba a lia lara
Okan lana, okan loni, okan lojo gbogbo
omnipotent, omniscient, & omnipresent God
the unshakeable changer
the Jealous God who Orunmila, Ogun, Sango e.t.c can't be compared/equated with.
the Saviour of the world.

Kabi ó osi

[quote author=Ijele-igbo]That men may know that you, whose name alone is
JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.
Psalm 83 vs 18


JEHOVAH also means LORD!!![/quote]Na them sabi,
*why they didn't choose JEALOUS? because it places God as a man.
*why they didn't choose I Am? because Jesus also said I Am

So I used all the names of God; be Jehovah, I Am, Jealous(in provocative prayer) but conscience of biaslism won't allow some people to use other name.

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DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

You are welcome in Jesus name the only saviour of the world.

Shalom Emusan.

As salaamu alaykum DevotedOne

You may see for yourself why four angels were required:
"When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant,"

My question is very simple, does it mean one Angel I.e Micheal the chief warrior of the host of heaven can't destroy all of them in one sec or min, why all the Angels in heaven?

The story of John the Baptist is not found in Barnabas'gospel.

Lolll....you so much believed in the gospel of Barnabas SHM what gave you the assurance that the barnabas' written is the authenticated one among others gospels? Simply because it supported your fallacious claim, pure delussion!

Did the story of John the Baptist also found in Qur'an? Then you will know the source of your book.

Do you really? Please explain.

Explain what?

So the angels that were guardians of Mary ascended to the third heaven;, where Jesus was in the company of angels, and recounted all to him. Wherefore Jesus prayed God that he would give him power to see his mother and his disciples. Then the merciful God commanded his four favourite angels, who are Michael, Gabriel, Rafael;, and Uriel, to bear Jesus into his mother's house, and there keep watch over him for three days continually, suffering him only to be seen by them that believed in his doctrine. Chapter 219

Delusion again book of Barnabars! Yet you rejected other Gospels.

You have failed to answer my question.

When will I pass your question pls? I said no time for any quote now, am I speaking French?

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom. Emusan

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]The christians made me believe that their book is tampered with, you can't provide a book which records inconsistencies and contradicting accounts and allege it was inspired by God, don't expect me to fall for that please. Not satisfied? Eat this:[/quote]Then why do you need a prove from a book you believe is already tamper with?
Does it make any sense?

The statement below is from John the baptist and Jesus testifying wether John is elias or not.

Jesus said john is elias

Matthew 11:13-14" For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was to come."

Matthew 17:10-13 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

John deny what Jesus said

John 1:21-26 "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet. John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not.

Again it is believed that John has recognised who Jesus was after baptising him but when john is about to be decapitated he was unsure if jesus is the awaited one and he sent his disciples to ask if jesus is really the one to come.. Why would john contradict himself regarding the identity of jesus?

The above is just a small portion of numerous accounts that makes one to doubt the authenticity of the bible.

The knowledge of scriptures is not what a carnal mind can grasp just like.
I don't need much to say here; Jesus who been in existence before the world begins knows who John the Baptist is, but John didn't know is own origin only find out that he was human.
Note: the spirit of Elias was only given to John's human body....not that God send Elias back to the world again....grap that! As Muhammad said Jesus will be send back again.

About John asking again if Jesus is the Messiah is normal for every human because of our nature even the same thing happen in Qur'an when Allah asked Jesus whether He said to the people to Him and his mother as a gods after Allah, Remember Allah is all knowing, do you agree that, that statement is also wrong?
I can see you can't reason out of the box.

Dude, my reply was a homily, how unfortunate that you can't comprehend simple statement and appreciate others.

Which make you spew this "it only potrays you insane" God will have mercy on you.

I still do not state my arguement regarding john's sinless/sinful life, I was simply asking questions and demanding proof all the time, if you want me to believe john is a sinner you have to quote his sins first before I concur, sadly you fail woefully and continue to ridicule yourself by circumlocuting with baloney.

My question still remains the same, why do you a prove from a book you believed it has been tampered with? You can bring your own prove by snick into the Holy Book as usual.

WORD: when you can't prove something, reserving your comment is a rational effort.

Who brought the issue of John you or me? Since you want to justify that John never sinned then, why can't you go ahead to prove me wrong either from your holy book or the Word of God(Bible)? because no time to waste on quoting for you from Bible.

@RoyPCain
No time to reply your epistle above just a simple question,

Did Allah respond to Jesus' statement or not?

When quoting from Bible you will twist it to suit your fallacious claim, now you're twisting your own book SHM


Thanks for your video even I didn't view it.
Yes! I'm not among your Theirs because I have had personal encounter with Jesus....so it left for you to find Him too. You can still do it by simply confess your sin and take Him as a personal Lord and Saviour. He will reveal Himself to you, to show you that He is truly the saviour of this world.

Shalom!

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]The fact that you fall short In backing a false statement doesn't necessarily call for you being furious, it is insensitive![/quote]Thanks for that, what is the point of quoting from the book you believed is has been corrupted? No time to waste man.

You don't have to respond if you are ignorant on the matter, [size=14pt]it only potrays you insane.[/qjote]

Who is being furious now? is this the way you've been taught to reply?

Alleging that john is a sinner makes me demand a proof from you, please stop going in circles and address my appeal.

You who know that John didn't commit any sin why can you do that by twisting the scriptures as usual or quote from your infallible book? No time to waste in quoting any part do it and let us discus further.

Shalom!