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DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, (everyone).

Shalom! in Jesus name.

Salaam Emusan.

Shalom, DevotedOne

Jesus (PBUH), was not killed or crucified. You cannot argue with Scripture:

I know according to what you've been program with.

Chapter 215*
When the soldiers with Judas drew near to the place where Jesus was, Jesus heard the approach of many people, wherefore in fear he withdrew into the house. And the eleven were sleeping. Then God, seeing the danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel;, Michael;, Rafael;, and Uriel;, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looks toward the South. They bare him and placed him in the third heaven in the company of angels blessing God for evermore. Gospel of Barnabas

This is to show you how confused you people are.....some we say;
*it is Judas who was crusified not Jesus
*it was the man whom they compelled to carried Jesus' cross
*Jesus was crucified but didn't die only that he was in a comma.
*now you said he was taken up by many Angels
Why many Angels but not one? God has to deployed all the host of Heaven just because of this Jesus how special He is to God whereas God was watching while John the Baptist was beheaded

What Chapter and verse('s), are you referring to in this quote?

The chapter that says so, no time for quote now.

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Shalom, Emusan!

[quote author=WHξξs]Dd john the baptist sinned?[/quote]Did you close your eyes while reading?

I'll appreciate it if you post verses pointing the sins of john.

Why quoting you don't need.....you're a Bible reader so quote the verse you want to support your false claim as usual.

The question still remains WHEN?

Inside the grave, nonsense!

@Op
How does this your post promote the GOOD NEWS of Christ- of the salvation?

[quote author=WHξξ∟s]Did john the baptist sinned? When?[/quote]Capital letter YES! If you disagree prove me wrong.
During his life time!

RoyPCain: Neither you as you are now now anyone with your faith is among the "THEIR".

God forbid to be among the THEIRS I only want to show you the blunder of Muhammad.

Now you said Allah is talking to Prophets hmmm
Did Allah respond to Isa's statement or not?
That is why I my quote starts from where the coverasation begins. Typical fellow, you will misunderstood the Word of God and also misunderstood your own Holybook. SHM

Shalom!

RoyPain: Quran, the final guidance. If you miss its message an refuse to follow it, you will have yourself to blame when the soul is being called back to its Creator, leaving your body lifelss for others to assist you to the grave or the crematorium. The choice is yours and The Justice belong to God.

I saw this and it was like waoooo, Muhammad who doesn't know how to bail himself out was so confused about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
*He condemned Christian for associated Son with Allah
*He said Allah has prepared hell for those who says Allah has begotten.

Yet he went ahead and say Garden has been prepared for those who associate Son with Allah.

Sura 5:119-122 "119. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden."
120. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
121. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servants: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
[size=15pt]122. Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: Theirs are the Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, --their eternal home": Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires).[/size]

The last verse '122' even said THEIR TRUTHFUL will profit the truth.
These verses also proclaim Jesus an Advocate 1 John 2:1 and that followin Him is a great SALVATION thank God for the salvation through Jesus Christ...so it is left to you Muslims to chose either way you want....

I know you and your people will never pay attention to this but focus on other thing.

Jesus Christ is Lord to glory of the Father! Amen

RoyPain: Quran, the final guidance. If you miss its message an refuse to follow it, you will have yourself to blame when the soul is being called back to its Creator, leaving your body lifelss for others to assist you to the grave or the crematorium. The choice is yours and The Justice belong to God.

I saw this and it was like waoooo, Muhammad who doesn't know how to bail himself out was so confused about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
*He condemned Christian for associated Son with Allah
*He said Allah has prepared hell for those who says Allah has begotten.

Yet he went ahead and say Garden has been prepared for those who associate Son with Allah.

Sura 5:119-122 "119. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden."
120. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."
121. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servants: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
[size=15pt]122. Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: Theirs are the Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, --their eternal home": Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires).[/size]

The last verse '122' even said THEIR TRUTHFUL will profit the truth.
These verses also proclaim Jesus an Advocate 1 John 2:1
I know you and your people will never pay attention to this but focus on other thing.

JMAN05: the purpose of the earlier comment has been realised. create no diversion.

OK

Nature possessed by God's spirit creatures.

God's spirit as in... or you mean Jesus was a spirit like God?

Why are you disturbing yourself on simply things. Do all humans have the same natural abilities like similar IQ?

I've shown you how attributes are different from NATURE hmmmm

Your dad gave birth to you,

I agree with you what do ypou want again?

so do you have the same knowledge as your parents cos you possess the same nature?

Knowledge is an attribute not THE FORM THAT I EXIST hmmmmm

Does a man and his wife being the same nature mean that the woman has the same strength like the man?

Stop this your childish attitude......<<<<BOTH EXIST IN HUMAN FORM BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE>>>>

Do you even look the same physically?

Yes!

Pls you guys should produce things that make sense abeg.

Talk to yourself

No matter how you look at it, no two humans have the same attributes, even twince. there must be a difference that may command advantage over another.

What of someone who has more attributes than His/Her parent?

Apart from the assistance which God's spirit give him, you still will not equal Jesus in knowledge cos he now have a human form, will you? Even we humans have differences among each other not to talk of someone who came from heaven.

Is ATTRIBUTES and NATURE the same...just simple question henn?

inshort Why does God, his equal, have to give him those things for him to look different? Equal in knowledge. Does Jesus know when the end will come? Why does His Father have to teach him, since they all are omniscience?

Your problem is still lies in understanding that Phil 2:7 "Make himself of no reputation""""or Emptieth Himself" if God didn't put His own Spirit on Jesus, Jesus will fail in His mission

Thank you for indicating that there were differences between us and he. But he was still human which is the form he assumed. He was not in the spirit nature/form which Paul described he stripped off.

He was in Human's form on earth but in His early life He was in NATURE OF GOD....simple statementt

One of the attribute of God is also that he is more knowledgeable than Jesus. Col. 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

You and your Co often use this verse but what you people failed to notice from this verse is the usage of the word FIRSTBORN and FIRST CREATE I believe you always read from Hebrew word being used in the Bible.....
The word firstborn...is Prototokos in Greek, while
The word first created...is Protoktioti
If Paul wanted to say Jesus was created, he will have used this word "Protoktioti" rather Paul used the word "Prototokos". Paul is referring to the Jewish use of the word fiorst-born which not only means first one born but also is used as a title of SOVEREINGNTY and PRE-EMINENCE.
Example can be found in Psalm 89:27 God says of David, "I also shall make him My firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth" Is David the firstborn of Jesse? NO. he is the eighth and youngest son of Jesse. stick this into Col 1:15 it fit perfectly, verse 18 clearly shown that Paul was talking about pre-eminence not as first created.

Jesus was never created John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God"

Prov. 8:22
“Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.
Compare John 1:14, ie begotten.

I'm one of those who strickly believe Prov 8:22-36 meant for Jesus....though some who want to discredited pre-existence of Jesus will say it's a dramatical impersonifcation of Wisdom and folly....nevertheless I chose Jesus for many reason from this chapter.
But what I see people missed out from this verse is this....phares...."as the beginning of His way" the question is did God has a beginning? I believe your answer will be NO! then what does this verse mean? you will realise that Jesus has been in existence with God.
Some version use "possessed me"

khattab02: can't stream the video. But anyway Op, summarise the content for us. If he is talking about crucifixion there are many verses in the NT which debunk crucifixion.

@bold do you have evident?

Whether the video states that Jesus died or not doesn't change what Jesus came to do on Earth.

*He was the only man who has ever passed through the surface of the earth without a single sin
Adam, Naoh, Lot, Moses e.t.c committed sin in one way or the other in their life time but save Jesus.....
*He has died but still alive....no one can change that.

When Quran says Jesus fulfilled what was written in Torah and the prophets, the simple question should be what are those things written in Torah & Prophets that Jesus fulfilled?

jahbiz: Somehow
I believe there is a higher power controlling the universe. The book of
Genesis even gives m some ideas of God existence and how he created
things. But at times I do think that who creates God or did He create Himself? because nothing exist
in isolation.

Many have thought of this for so long but the simple answer is; creation only exists in the realm of Man not in the realm of God.
The best way to understand this is by looking at meaning of "CREATE"
1: (transitive) To put into existence.
2: (transitive) To design, invest with a new form, shape, &c.
3: (intransitive) To be creative, imaginative.
4: (transitive) To cause, bring a (non-object) about by action.
By these definitions 1,2&4 fit perfectly to our universe [size=14pt]but not the one who design, put us in existence or cause us into action.[/size]

God is a self existing being who cause everything into action....if God didn't create, cause or put us(UNIVERSE) into existence the WORD "CREATE" won't have existed.

Let's assume the state where God alone existed before He caused the universe into being....you can only think of a being in EXISTENCE but not CREATED.

F00028: your claim is baseless.
in Islam, we are absolutely responsible for only our own sins, which are incurred by our direct acts. Others cannot transfer their sins to us, in order to have theirs erased or even reduced. Nor can we inherit sins from our relatives or the ancestors .

It is explained beautifully in Quran 35:18 that even if we were related, we cannot carry part of their sins. But we may incur the sins of people if we cause them to be misled.
simple.

The questions I'm begging answers to since are,
-if man does not affect in Adam's sin, where does Sin come from?
-If you agree that Adam is the first human on earth to sin why Allah did not detroy that thing that make man to sin through their act but still allow you ask for forgiveness?

didn't simon peter show you their use!
what else do you do such desperately acquired weapons that you have sell your clothes to obtain (luke 22:36) ??!

I told you since the beginning of our chat that the veil of how to understand Bible is still covering your face though @Eben has tried for you but you're still stiff necked ness.
See example of people like you;
*Jesus said to him you must be BORN AGAIN to enter the kingdom of God.....he(FOO28) replied how will be possible for and adult to enter her mother's womb in other to be born again.
*Jesus said to her "Whosoever drink the water of me shall not thirst anymore....she(FOO28) replied give me this water so that I won't thirst no more nor come to this well to fetch water again....
*Jesus said let's go to our brother Lazarus because he asleep so that I can wake him up....they (FOO28) replied if he asleep let's leave him alone he shall do well now..
So your mate are also in the Bible.

just quit beating about the bush and show me the prophesies

Read from Genesis to Malachi is there for you intact. Qur'an also says that Jesus fulfilled all the written of Torah and the prophets it is left for you to ask a simple question, what were those things written before Jesus that He fulfilled?

Shalom!

macof: Mr Kenny.

since u need authentic sources and not internet links, I advice u go to a Babalawo to show u Orunmila. The Babalawo would ask Ifa on ur behalf anything that troubles u and give u solutions. Ifa never fails, Orunmila is ever potent.
Orunmila is here till infinity

If I start typing long yarns now, it would just b a waste of time to people like u who see knowledge but reject it.

So visit a Babalawo, let him check ur ori, or simply test the power of Orunmila. Most Babalawo would let u test them since it's in order of Orunmila

I even thought you will tell Orunmila to hide my post or change everything I have typed to read Orunmila.....Orunmila....Orunmila... [size=14pt]you said I should visit Babalawo uhnnnn[/size] SMH..

macof: Third was getting my Ori checked by an Iyanifa- it was revealed that Orunmila claimed my Ori, and in order to grow I had to work as Orunmila would.

These are the steps to know Orunmila right!
When you are still reading Bible what are the things Jesus ask you to do in other to see His manifestation....Evidence of the Holyspirit......?

Orunmila reveals himself to everybody, all the gods reveal themselves to everybody. [size=14pt]But u don't know.[/size]

At bold did type it or Orunmila pushed you toto?

When u see lightening, that's Sango revealing himself

Why lightening doesn't happen in dry season? I guess sango is on vacation!

Jesus is not known to reveal anything to anybody. Orunmila however hasn't revealed himself to only me. we all have been blessed by Orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence.

He promised Holy spirit as an evident to those who believed because lightening, thunder, speed of light e.t.c are the works of His hand....Which is the title of this thread "Christ at Creation"
How will you know this? Allow the word of Christ to dwell in you.

macof: I don't know wat u mean

OK since you don't know let me tell you, I ssimply mean the sleepless night you have put yourself into.

I believed in Jesus, since I knew how to speak, however he never showed himself, not even once.

The questions are;
Do you really believe in Jesus as you claimed or just a church goer?
Is your life in accordance with that path of Him?

However I have believed Orunmila for less than two years and he has shown himself despite me not being initiated

I believe Orunmila didn't show up just like that, you need to follow some step(s) so do Jesus. But why Orunmila didn't reveal himself to the world except only you?

I can't start preaching that my alive grandpa can save because I am not deluded like u Christians

Why not you can;
Thank God that I'm deluded but remember the way Orunmila revealled Himself to you Jesus Christ has also revealed Himself to me....so if I'm deluded so be you....

JMAN05: My friend read that comment very well. I dont want to waist my time explaining what you can understand if you read well. i said 'more correct than... 9did the following sentence correspond with the rendering in NWT?

Then why NWT didn't use the same word?

It is true that Christ possessing God's nature means that he has more of God's qualities than other angels, but they all possess the same divine nature. This same nature of Jesus, the saints will possess.

Is Christ ever existed in an Angel form?
What do you mean by DIVINE NATURE? list them

That is what I am saying, that we have the same nature, doesnt mean we are in the same position, does it? It doesnt also mean that we have the same natural gift.

You never understand, nature has nothing to do with your gift(s) rather the way every one appear i.e ALL HUMAN BEING HAVE THE SAME NATURE BE IT MAN OR WOMAN.i.e Husband is greater than his wife but does he have a nature different from his wife? NO!
Natural gift in human term can be referred to as our attributes......hope is clear?

You are correct partly, but being human, isnt it another form? If it is another form, then what I am saying is that his being a human does not make him equal to all humans, lets say in knowledge, aptitute, skill etc.

He is equal in human form dear! knowledge, attitude, wisdom were all given to Him after God has putting His Spirit on Him which gave Him more attributes on earth than any human.

Now if I may understand your point, You are saying that he had that advantage due to the empowerment of God's spirit. But that he got an empowerment from the Father didnt change his nature, human. he didnt become a spirit, he was still a human. Even without such empowerment from the Father, he will have something that makes him differ from another human.

The only thing that make Him differ from another human is that, He has being in existence with God before the world began but stripped off these to save you and I.

You have the same nature with your dad. no doubt you exhibit your dad's qualities so much than you brothers. But that does not mean you have the same knowledge with your father, you still do not have the same authority with him. He gave birth to you. [size=14pt]In the same vein, God created Jesus and has greater authority than his.[/size]

Now you understand the differrences between NATURE and ATTRIBUTE better with this your example! To get it more better, I can say "My Dad and I have the same Nature but one of the attribute of my Dad is that He is more knowlegable than I"
So Jesus and God have the same NATURE and possessing all the fullness of attributes that make God God.

[size=14pt]Give me the verse which says that Jesus was created![/size]

I clearly understand your point. I hope the above will help.

Ok!

macof: I Know God exist. However God is not Jesus, and it's Jesus am talking about.

I can see you truly have problem not with Jesus but with yourself........you know what I mean?

If he is still alive let him show up.

They way Atheist are saying God should show up......does it make God shows up? No.....so if you want Jesus to show up believe in Him and He will surely do so......He promised whosoever believe in Him He and His Father will manifest themself unto him/her.

I can say my grand father is alive but let him show up and people would belief

I can't stop laughing....please begin to tell people that your grandpa is alive and he can save you from your sin.....that's a good move

F00028: you do wrong, you realise its wrong, you sincerely repent to God with a firm resolve not to commit it again...and God simply forgives you because He is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful

Your claim is baseless then, since Allah knows all and ever Merciful & Forgiving! Why can't He destroy the power of sin after Adam has sinned?
Why does He allow people to inherit sin from Adam?

He won't remember your sin or hold it against your unborn children!

Many is simple did Adam meet sin on earth or he's the first to sin?
if he meet sin on earth, where do sin come from?
if he's the who sinned, does Allah hold his sin on you or not?

is that what Jesus claimed?

That's why I asked you if Jesus didn't make such claim, why Qur'an says Jesus fulfilled the written of Torah and the prophecies of the past prophet?

what was is written in Torah about Jesus that He fulfilled and what are the prophecies of the past prophets?

because from reading the bible, Jesus didn't want to die for nobody:

You can't see it because you're still wearing the glass of polluted mind of disclaiming of His mission on earth wish has been prophecy thousand years ago.

he told his followers to buy weapons,

What is disciples use the weapons for? The veil is still covering your face.

he ran to gethsamane,

What happen during His prayer?

put guards in place, went deeper inside and stationed more people,

Quote the verse which state this

then prayed earnestly to God make this wahala just pass

What did God do to His prayer?

and in the end on the cross he cried : my God, my God why have forsaken
me?

I know you don't agree with this your statement, but out of frustration.

does that sound like someone who was here to die for you or even wanted to die for you?

Yes as it has been prophecied in the OT.

cloudstar: I would ask you to prove this but knowing that you will not, I wouldn't even bother. The ramification that the Bible was changed is a big issue, so you have to provide proofs such as - what was changed, when was it changed, who changed it? Knowing you can't answer any of these questions suggest several possibilities: (1). You deliberately fail to reason objectively when it comes to matters of your faith (2). You make a claims that you can't possibly prove

The difference is simple, the Jesus described in the Bible is the Jesus of Nazareth and His character is consistent in all the gospels narrated and documented by his disciples that lived with him and studied under him.

Mohammed came 600 years later, with no evidence whatsoever and no witnesses and said the Jesus in the Bible is not the same Jesus. If common sense should prevail here - the outcome is simple . The question you should be asking yourself is this - Why wasn't the Bible ever accused of being changed or corrupted until Mohammed got on the scene?

Bro relax, I'm a dude like you

[quote author=JMAN05 ]First note the cinually, the translation of ESV is more correct than stating that Jesus doesnt consider equality a robbery.[/quote]Only thing to point out is not consider equality with God! Ok but so other versions. so you mean your church own does not too correct?

Now, What I understood is that Jesus had the nature of God, ie spirit nature. and he has much of His qualities. however, God is greater than he is, in power, authority, knowledge, many more.

Do Angels have form of God? No! Angel have their form/nature likewise do humans, but Jesus has this nature/form of God no two meaning to this verse.

Your point on greater is baseless because the word "Greater" applies only in position not in nature.

Some argue just like the parenthesis you stress above shows, that Jesus has the fullness to make him God almighty as the translator understand from the verse.

Ok!

But I xpress my disagreement with that. If you say that his being God's form makes him God, then you are equally saying that his being in a slave's form (same greek word), makes him equal to humans.( the slave form implied is human form). we know that Christ wasnt equal to other humans in everything eg power, authority, knowledge etc. but he has our nature, namely, human.

This is where you missed it the most, Jesus appeared in FULLY HUMAN BUT WAS EMPOWERED through the spirit of Father to acheive all His work on earth. This is what the next verse is saying that He EMPTIED/DENIES HIMSELF of all the privileges that makes Him God in other to take on the NATURE OF HUMAN try to reread those verses for clear understanding.

From this vantage point, we can infer that the "form" stressed is nature NOT equality in essence.

This is where you should look at it,
God has Its own nature...
Angels have theirs too...
Likewise Human...
Jesus never existed in form of Angel but of God while He was in Heaven also He never took on Him the nature of Angel on earth but was made to be like unto His brethen.

Take your time to read that Phil 2:6-8 very well,

Shalom!

F00028: then why can't an all Loving and Just biblical God simply forgive the sin? why hold a sin against millions of people who were not even there when it was committed??

Why do you need to ask for forgiveness everyday? Is Allah not loving and just and why Allah ask you to be praying for forgiveness?

if you read the Quran like you claim then you know one of the attributes of God is that He's filled with loving kindness. the sinner's sin are his own to bear alone but all it takes is for him to turn to God in sincere repentance and he's forgiven.

Now let me ask you this, where does SIN come from?

This is where you will know the importance of Jesus' dead on the cross which Muhammad can't comprehend because He thought Jesus is just an ordinary human. Jesus came to destroy the power of SIN and DEATH brought into the world by Adam(Quran also agreed with this- I mean Adam's sin). Bible says every soul that sin will surely die......when Adam sinned God promised that One of His seed will destroy the Devil.,...so Jesus' prophecy to die on the cross for remission of sin started from Moses down to Malachi.

F00028: Muhammad (pbuh) didn't write Jeremiah 8:8.

and Jeremiah didn't say "lying tongues" he said "lying PENS"

I can see the veil is still covering your face! After I've provided you other versions for simplicity.

am I your bible studies teacher now?

I thought you claim to be one of the best Bible scholars

so you are saying the bible has been corrupted! I rest my case.

Your case is pathetic! You said some Christians have 73 books in their Bible while some have below that and I shown you why it so but you still go further to say I agree with you. Even this time we have some who chooses only the books of New Testament as their Bible....the qiestion you should ask yourself and do research on is this; the books chose by any body, is their content different?

if those verses were the word of God what gives them the right to delete? but if they discovered the verses were not, then you agree bible gas been corrupted.

I believe you're talking about translation here not the Original Manuscript. If it's translation we have thousand of them today but original manuscript it's only one which is still intact till today.

when are going to get back to fully addressing my initial query?

So did Jesus die for the whole world or for Himself?

italo: Was Angel Michael existing in the form of God?

God forbid! It's only Jesus who has ever existed in form God.

I'm waiting for Jman to clear that verse. Since their translation said Jesus exists in the form of God.

JMAN05: We will do our best to help them just to be fair, but if they keep hardening their heart then we let them be. it is there life, they are free to live it they like to live it, but none will say, 'I didnt see sound prove'.

I've compiled these verses for you and your Co who rejected the deity of Yehshua in different versions including yours.

AMP: Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!


ESV: who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.


KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


NASB: who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

NIV: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!


CJB: 6 Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force.
7 On the contrary, he emptied himself, in that he took the form of a slave by becoming like human beings are.
8 And when he appeared as a human being, he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death -death on a stake as a criminal!

NWT: 6 "Who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."

Both agreed that Jesus exists in the form God, AMP inserted (possessing all fullness that makes God God) for simple logic.

What did you understand from these verses especially verse 6?

Verse6 talks about His early life.
Verse7 talks about the process of His incarnation into human.
Verse8 talks about His obedient.

coogar: it's the UK...
women are begged to do everything. imagine getting bribed to feed one's own baby.

I think Nigeria needs this method too because I don't think mine is up to that, Mussy nah Bus Mama no time.

bebe2: I tire o. And I did mine and neva got a penny. Maybe I need to born another one to collect dat £200.

Hope Daddy will gree?

f F00028: -sorry, I meant Jeremiah. jer. 8:8-
"How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?" (New Living Translation)

I know this is the verse you mean now see another version so that you can have full understanding of that verse.

KJV: How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
NASB: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
NIV :“‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

Now do you understand what this verse is saying? Do Scribes have access or authority to change any written things/is the scriptures are in charge of the scribes? Definitely, No! Jesus always attacked the Pharisies and the scribes because they always teaching/twisting scripture wrongly.It's their teaching on how they wrongly explain the scriptures just to suite their selfish interest.

This is part of what I'm saying when I said Muhammed never had the full knowledge of the scriptures before he composed His book, you also instead you should ask for knowledge through Christ you stay under prejudice to keep deluding yourself

and from his day to the present there's no reason to believe the corruption has stopped.

When was the book of Jeremiah written?

-today the roman catholic bible has 73 books while the protestants' has only 66 books! so did the catholics corrupt the bible by adding or have the protestants corrupted the bible by removingi

After Alexandria has compiled the whole books of the OT about 300-230 BC and called Septuagint which was well accepted by the Jews themselves, some people later brought about 14 books called Apocalyphat which were claimed to been written about 350 BC of which the Jews themselves publicaly declared that no voice of a Prophet was heard in Isreal but some still went aheard to insert some of those book in their Bible.

you also have various versions of the bible adding/removing verses here and there

You are right but look at those versions with their motive of removing those verses.

Are you clear that Muhammad made the mistake of attaching GOSPEL to the name of Jesus?

Researchers from the University of Sheffield are examining ways to boost low rates of breastfeeding in parts of the UK.

Mothers will be given shopping vouchers worth up to £120 if their babies receive breast milk until they are six weeks old, and a further £80 if their babies are still breastfed at six months.

If the "feasibility" project is successful, the authors will conduct a national research project into the scheme.

But midwives have warned that financial reward should not be the main motivation for women to breastfeed.

The Department of Health has admitted it is funding the project, however, Health Minister Dr Dan Poulter stressed that he did not believe "financial incentives" were the best way of encouraging mothers to breast feed.

He said: "Breastfeeding has huge health benefits, and it helps to promote a strong bond between mum and baby. But it should be a woman’s choice to breastfeed and we know not all mothers are able to.

"Latest figures show nearly 74% of mums start breastfeeding and we have seen a general increase in recent years.

"We believe the main way to promote breastfeeding is not financial incentives, but to make sure women have all the information they need to make an informed decision."

The new study is to be trialled in Derbyshire and South Yorkshire - in areas where breastfeeding uptake rates are low.

Only 34% of UK babies are breastfed at six months with only 1% exclusively breastfed at this stage, said Dr Clare Relton, senior research fellow at the University of Sheffield.

She said: "Breast milk is perfectly designed for babies and provides all they need for the first six months of their life.

"The scheme offers vouchers to mothers who breastfeed as a way of acknowledging both the value of breastfeeding to babies, mothers and society, and the effort involved in breastfeeding."

The NHS recommends mothers breastfeed exclusively for the first six months of a child's life.

The preliminary study will focus on up to 130 mothers who give birth between November and March.

If the mothers breastfeed their children for a full six months they will receive £200 shopping vouchers - half for supermarkets and half for high street stores.

The vouchers will be paid in five instalments of £40 each.

The initiative is being funded by the National Prevention Research Initiative, a group made up of government departments, medical charities and research companies.

The initiative will not be rigorously policed and will simply require the participating mother and their health visitor or midwife to sign off to say they are breastfeeding.

Dr Relton said the test would not only look at whether or not the payment improves uptake rates, but also at whether women think they are being "bribed or rewarded" after they receive the vouchers.

Janet Fyle, professional policy adviser at the Royal College of Midwives, said: "Whilst we are not against financial incentives for the right reasons, there is a much bigger social and cultural problem here that needs to be tackled instead of offering financial incentives for mothers to breastfeed.

"In many areas, including those in this study, there are generations of women who may not have seen anyone breastfeeding their baby, meaning it is not the cultural norm in many communities.

"The motive for breastfeeding cannot be rooted by offering financial reward.

"It has to be something that a mother wants to do in the interest of the health and well-being of her child."

source: Sky news

F00028: ^^^
it was a simple specific question about Jesus' status and mission but you gone into a tirade about Muhammad.

can you not defend your claim beyond making vague references?

and as for your Bible, the Prophet Isaiah says your scriptures are corrupt

When was Isaiah said the scriptures are begin to corrupt? I mean the time it started to corrupt.

F00028: then first things first. let's have it.

This is what lead to all these @mance said Jesus is the God the Son and He died for the whole world....you then asked is it what Jesus claimed or people just ascribed it to Him?

As the God the Son it never even appeared in the Bible with a boldly writing but it's there for people with spiritual eyes.

As Jesus died for the world I will go back to same question for you to fully understand Jesus mission on earth. If Jesus didn't die for the world how can the prophecies of the Old Teastament be fulfilled?

Qur'an also affirmed this by saying Jesus fulfilled the written of Torah and Prophets which are before Him.

The question you people suppose to ask whenever you come accross this verse should be:
-Why the need for Messiah?
-what will the Messiah do?
-As anyone ever filled the place of the Messiah?
-What are the prophecies concern the Messiah?

Though since you have been made to believed that Bible is corrupt, I fear where you can get the full answers to these questions.

Pastor Olu T: Dont really get u bro, is it like once saved forever saved, or if one keep sinning after the knowledge of salvation?

As someone who never knows anything about God Himself.

Wait ooo which one is "once saved forever saved"?