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Bbbwings:
For God's sake Hong Kongers are han chinese.not some Caucasian lording over negroes

They are Han people but they are not enclosed by China. And that shouldn't take away their right to decide if they want to be independent or not. It is very normal for a tribe to span across two countries. There are Yorubas in Benin Republic, there Hausas in Niger. They could be Han people in both China and HK. They should be given a referendum to say what they want. Why is that a problem?

somehow:
No, Alaska is not within the boundary of Canada, I am correcting you again, it is within that of the US and Russia. Russia is close to 3 continents or let's say almost in 3 continents. (Europe, Asia, and North America). Check your map again.

Do you know how deep Hong kong is in mainland China? it was never an external part of China and won't be anytime soon. Let the British people that caused issues everywhere on earth hands-off and let China solve her internal issue.

Go back and read the history of Hong kong, China, Qing dynasty and the Opium war (1 and 2).

Have a nice night.

Hian!!! Dude, are you serious?

Russia does not even in any way share land borders with the US. I live in Canada. I don't know the map you are referring to but this one here clearly shows that Alaska is on the Canadian side of the divide.

Hong Kong is not deep in mainland China, it only shares border with China. This can be seen on the map below. Jesu, dude, it's just amazing how boldly you are saying all the wrong things.

I take you're feeling sleepy. It should be late in Nigeria already.

Nawa o. Alaska between the US and Russia

dermmy:
You've tried for this guy. Just leave him to his ignorance person wey no won read go sell locust bean at last.

Stop embarrassing yourself online. Look at the maps below, did that guy make any sense in the post you quoted? Your type is quick to call others ignorant yet....

dingbang:
This one it is only dick that is in her brain

You're allowing the OP fool you. Those are only diagrams

somehow:
Alaska was once a Russian territory, not Canada. It was sold to the US when Russia was financially distressed.

As for Hong Kong, it was taken over by the British after the first Opium war. It has always belonged to the Chinese. (Study the Qing dynasty/Opium war)

If we all start claiming lands won during war, then the world won't heal, hence the reason international treaties are being signed here and there to return all that was claimed during war.

92% of the citizens of Hong Kong are Han Chinese, so how then do they belong to the murderous Britons?

HK remains a property of China and nothing the world can do about it!

I know about the Opium War. You simply didn't get me. I'm not saying Alaska was a property of Canada or anything. I said Alaska is within the boundaries of Canada yet is an American state reason being activities that took place in the past and it remains that way today. Most countries, regions or geographical outlines created from colonial impacts are independent countries today. None went back to where they were. This is because they have evolved to have their own systems over time. So why can't HK be an independent country too? They have thier own Laws, political system, economic systems, etc. Why would they remain someone's territory/property forever? Like you said, people don't go fighting for lands stolen from them today. Traities or not, a region should not be anyone's "property" except they want to be. We have long moved pass that phase.

Where did I say they belong to the UK? Why are you attacking a stance I never even upheld. I said they should be allowed to decide if they want to return to China or not. A referendum is all it takes. The UK gave it to Scotland twice, Canada gave it to Quebec twice.

They are Hans and so they are choicelessly bound to follow China? Are there none Hans in China? Since when did cultural origin become factors used to mark territories? Are they no Yorubas in Binin Republic? Are they no Housas in Niger? Are the aborigines of Canada and the US not Indians? Let the people decide if they want to move back under China or be independent. It's not rocket science.

ademidedavid:
And not a g*y......lol
I also like the dude sha but its like their is more to our ladies loving him head over heels

Nah... they just like him from a girl's perspective. You're not expected to like him in a similar fashion unless you do... it's a free world. Anyway, that's just it. It's safer for my girl to crush on someone unreachable than for her to crush on the guy next door. Lol

ademidedavid:
I appreciated & still appreciates Rihana the goddess but this una own don pass our power.
My friend's babe even told him to look like this her crush before anything......

I'm not a girl o! I'm just being fair cause I usually see guys come here to wail on how American babes are better than their home girls.

Crush is free and legal. Let girls crush on anyone they like. When ya'll are crushing on Rihanna and co, no one called you out.

leesamyoung:
just curious let me ask you this, what do you think will happen if Russian or china is supporting Scotland independent movement, if British is not part of the European Union again, Scotland want their own independent to put their decision in their own hand.

Thank you for that insightful question.

The UK has given the people of Scotland 2 referendums. The majority voted to stay. The people decided. If Russia interferes by conniving with the government of Scotland to break away from the UK, they'd be going against the wish of the people which is represented by majority vote. Canada has also given Quebec two referendums and the majority voted to stay.

The only referendum HK ever had was to choose democracy. Let them decide now (now because recent events will help them form thier opinions) and end all this.

somehow:
before the uk stepped into china, what do you know about hong kong?

anonymous1759:
HK was originally China before British colonized them .British has the right to give citizenship to any body but we know the political under tune beside it. ( divide China and have a base inside China) .

HK was originally part of China more than a century ago. This was a time when superior powers took territories by force. They amalgamated Nigeria, they made Alaska part of the US though it is within the Canadian boundary, they fought over Cameroon thus making it bilingual, etc. 100 years later, the countries, regions or territories formed by the these activities became independent and constituted sovereignty. None went back to what they used to be prior to colonization. HK deserves sovereignty like any other past colony. China's insistence on keeping HK as its territory even though it is not a part of mainland China is extending the act of colonialism to the present day and HK will still be independent one day, why push it forward?

HK has evolved and has overtime drifted from basic Chinese systems. Taking over leadership of a territory who's laws, political system, economic and education policies is quite different from yours without the concent of the the people is colonialism. Thus why I said the people of HK should decide.

As the for citizenship part, yes there are political undertones but should China start a trade war because the UK is offering citizenship to HK people who come forward on their own? If the UK says they are giving citizenship to any Nigerian that wants it, have they violated any Nigerian law?

anonymous1759:
Go and study history before you quote me British forced Hongkong to sign an unfavorable treaty in Qingchao that made British ruled them for I40 years. If you follow my thread I don't criticize Nigeria that much but our leaders and youths are annoying.

Oga, how does the fact that British ruled 140 years affect the discussion? Does that mean China should keep ruling them or does that mean that the UK does not have the right to give her citizenship to anyone that wants it? My post urged for HK to be a Sovereign state and your response is that the UK ruled them for 140. How does that even relate to what I said? Or you just want to sound knowledgable?

Bbbwings:
Hong Kong is China territory.

Just like the UK had "territories" in Africa. Bro, that's colonialism. We've long moved pass that era. The people of HK should decide for themselves. And the UK has the right to give her citizenship to anyone that wants it.

anonymous1759:
Kudos to China. China is just 14 years older than Nigeria look at what they've become. Some Nigerians are angry China is challenging thier slave Masters. China is definition of success and dedication.
Unlike the unserious leader we've in Africa all they understand about politics is seeking for aide, looting and making promises for infrastructure. And mumu youths who allow ethnicity and slave mentality to have better side of them.

Your own is to use every opportunity to trash talk your people. Honkong does not belong to China. Colonialism is a thing of the past. Both China and the UK should let them be a Sovereign state. Let the people decide for themselves. Besides, the UK has the right to give citizenship to any individual that wants it.

joviegghead:
Ha.
Wetin concern boris for this matter now. But seriously who is going to be the bigger loser if both sides eventually choose do as they want.

In my humble opinion, 'Sovereignty' of China to regulate affairs within its own space should be considered by the British government.

I understand the sentiment of UK, especially when you consider the fact that Hong Kong was once a British colony, but, that was then.

Note: Hong Kong isn't completely autonomous. It's still under the jurisdiction of the Chinese government

Colonialism is a thing of the past. Both China and the UK should know this and that is what what should be clamoured for and not for China to do as they want with the people of HK. These laws are crippling. Let the people decide for themselves.

dermmy:
They have to make such threat cause China won't interfere in the affair of UK.

Honkong does not belong to China. Colonialism is a thing of the past. They should be a Sovereign state. Let the people decide for themselves

dermmy:
Good one from China. UK please wake up from your dream you are no longer a colonial power. China is a sovereign nation and has the sovereign right to impose whatever law she deems necessary over her territory. China was foolish to have allowed the autonomous status, why would a colonial master steal your territory from you, ruled it for over a century and still dictate to you how to govern it after. Well that was when China was weak.

Honkong should be a sovereign nation too. The Chinese interest in Honkong is not any different from that of the UK.

A group of power drunk people... it's disheartening

mansakhalifa:
Pacifist.

No way man, I want to be a witness to history.

Those two have been making a lot of noise over this since I was a kid- and even long before I was born.

It is time they settled it once and for all.

Besides, the civilian casualty should be minimal considering the fact that the war is going to be taking place on "the roof of the world".

So, let the games begin.

This is not PS5 or game of thrones. Only a kid would dance at the dream beats of war. Or you think only the two countries will be affected eventually?

olaniyilukman:
OP, why can't you read and create nur own news, copy and paste I very bad....

Wow! Create your own news? Lol. Are you new to Nairaland? News from major news outlets are copied and pasted with the source cited under it. Nobody sits down to re-type the news, nobody. The idea here is not originality (we are not bloggers or news media). The idea is create a forum for people to discuss what's in the news. Creating your own will be interfering with information and, if one is not careful, that may simply disqualify it from hitting the front page.

Lol..

Carlyboi:
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No I didn’t,neither did I read this!Give it a Rest!i am done here

Hahaha....

Lmao, dude you are a comedian! Are you trying to be funny or you seriously don't see the self exposure? You didn't read this but you defended yourself against its content. How did you now know what I wrote? Keep deceiving yourself.

Carlyboi:
. My weak Arguments?quit with the tomfoolery if you’re discerning you would know I’m not just interested in a meaningless back and forth with you....don’t twist the narrative to save face...I just wanted you to keep the long notes yourself or just post up comments and stop mentioning me.QED.

You ran and I'm the one saving face? How logical. Lol

Dude, if really you didn't read my previous message like you claimed, you wouldn't bother reading or responding to this one. If you were tired of the to and fro, you wouldn't still be here. I only made this last message a bit infuriating to see if you'd skip but you fell in helplessly.

Accept it or not, you read every word of that message. You just didn't come up with any superior argument cause I caught your deviation tactics. You resorted to an escape route.

But then here you are still. You'd rather engage in a meaningless banter than completing what you started. Or, ar least, appreciating a more informed standpoint.

Carlyboi:
Bro!let’s end the exchange here!peace!Btw I didn’t read what you typed up there I have got nothing else to add to what I have said already.takecare.

Lol... or you just noticed how I saw through your weak arguments.

It's fine. Going from your last message, I already knew you had no points left so I wasn't expecting any serious come back cause anyway.

Let's just limit the way we authoritatively talk about subjects we don't know much about.

Carlyboi:
I mentioned the sensitization already...plus you just admitted there are systematic loopholes..then until tide of cyber crime and and internet fraud is stemmed down in The US and the attacks become less significant the people in charge of this institutions can’t lose sleep as the scammers seem already one step ahead of them or they’re not willing to quit anytime soon..There’s no level of public sensitization or criminal punishment that can highly reduce the attacks without this financial and banking institutions strengthened and the loopholes these scammers and phishing guys exploit continually get blocked..it’s a no retreat no surrender situation and it’s should be seen as a war for them just like the war on drugs they had in the 70s-90s in Latin America if they keep taking these with kid gloves their citizens will keep getting fleeced and financially wrecked and devastated and this just the logical sequence or pattern the events are gonna take its an impassive postulation.

But systematic loopholes are not necessarily tech limitations. In fact, permit me to take the wheel for a second cause I don't know where this is headed.

You are now it making as if we were arguing whether the US banks has work to do or not. In fact, you're now attacking a position I never held instead of contending with the actual argument. Anyone with some basic knowledge of formal argument can see you're just employing Strawman's argumentative fallacy.

Therefore, I would like drive the argument back to its roots. I'm not arguing against loopholes (that will be arguing against myself cause I brought it up) and I'm not saying the management should go to bed (insinuating I ever suggested this is actually ridiculous). I never said the US banks have no work to do. I never said any of these. So arguing around these things only serve to deliberately water down the bone of contention.

I said, and I've maintained this point from the start, that the reason the US is the major target of scammers is not hinged on technological limitations. I said the reason is more sociological. In a bid to buttress my point, I also brought up systematic loopholes when comparing with the European banks. Systematic loopholes are more about banking SOB (Standard Operation Procedures) and policies than IT infrastructure. In order to to address both the the sociological issues and systematic loopholes, I suggested that the US should do an extensive process re-engineering (to address the SOB) and public sensitisation (to address the sociological factors).

So like I said, your last message did not contend with my stance, it only went to attacked an easily defeated effigy which I never upheld.

Carlyboi:
I agree with some of the things you said and as for the factors you listed every educated,enlightened and exposed person knows some of those are highly probable reasons for the US been the biggest or worst hit but like I opined you also later agreed maybe reluctantly that their Banking and financial institutions and systems aren’t among the most secured in the world and for a country which has not billions of dollars to cyber crime and internet fraud related activities say for the last 30yrs they need to absolutely do better...if the security is tightened it would be a lot harder for these boys to keep emptying the wallets of average Americans.

Trust me right now those boys are having a free passage and making a killing for their illicit and heinous crimes and also maybe public sensitization would do a lot of good for their citizens generally especially in situations whereby the victims release their personal info and banking info card details to these fraudsters for whatever reasons not that they were stolen or hacked.

Get me, I am not defending the US (I don't even stay in the US). So I wouldn't be reluctant to point out thier flaws. I am only concerned on the focus cause collectively speaking, if we keep blaming tech, we may never address the real issues. You said it yourself the, a lot of funds are already going into tech but the crime rate keeps going up. You think it is due to lack of competency? No, it is because these other sociological factors are now playing more prominent roles. The US banks are not as safe as the European banks but they are far safer than the Asian, African, Oceanian and South American banks. Yet they are more targeted than all these other places, why? If anything, this shows that the crux of the solution has, over time, drifted away from tech. Also don't lose sight of the fact that the superiority of the European banks is majorly based on process engineering and not necessarily technology.

So while I agree they will always be room to do better. I think a good deal of the "better" is not necessarily in tech cause the tech is here is not as lightweight as you opined. I have seen the strongest of technologies helpless in the face of systematic loopholes. The two extra things the US needs at this point, in my opinion, are process re-engineering and public sensitisation.

Carlyboi:
Read my piece again bro....especially to the last word when I say America’s banking and financial institutions are weak and somewhat porous I have my reasons and if you’ve any idea on the different tricks and scheme used in perpetrating these crimes you’d agree...and in terms of support there’s no part in my piece where I supported internet fraud or these scammers I only said something bout the American system making it way easy for most of them and btw is wasn’t talking bout romance scam here.

I read to the end. I only had problems with the order of your presentation. It would have been better if you had criticised the crime and the criminals before calling out the limitations of the victim. But you called out the victim before going ahead to criticize the crime and the criminals. Like they say, we should chase away the kite before blaming the hen for exposing its chicks.

Back to your argument on the limitation of the US banking system being the reason for its predicament; fact is, majority of the scams targeted at the US from Africa are business or romance scams and, unless you have technical details, I'm vehemently disagreeing with the porosity of the American banking system being the reason behind the victimization of its people. I am into IT so I know there is always room for improvement but going by the data on ground, technical porosity is not the major issue here. I stay in North America. I've also stayed in Nigeria. American banks are more tech dependent than banks even in Asia so naturally, tech crimes are higher. But like I said, there are factors that kept them in this position and it's not because thier security outfit is weaker than that of other countries who are not targeted as much. Many other countries use banking technologies imported from the US. The reason the US is targeted is far more sociological than technical. I will give you five:

1) Social ties. America has more social ties with the rest of the world than any other country. Virtually all thier social media platforms are universally used. (Nigerians don't use QQ, the Chinese version of Facebook). This makes them more exposed.

2) Immigrant influx. Immigration comes with good and bad. The US has the highest number of immigrants in the world. It is also the first destination choice for Nigerians. Logically, the crimes from landed immigrants will be higher than in any other country.

3) Linguistics. We only have 6 countries in the world that speak English natively. For most cyber crimes to take place, a common language is needed. This makes the US one of the six most targeted countries by Nigeria cyber criminals. Other factors listed here make then stand out.

4) Currency strength. These scammers aim at missions with great revenue and scamming people off powerful currencies offer just that. Of the English speaking countries, the US has the second strongest currency.

5) Susceptibility. Like I said in my first post, the average tech user in the western world is more likely to fall for these scams than the Nigerian counterparts.

In summary, the US banks are not the safest in the world. It doesn't even come close those of Canada and Europe and like every other part of IT, there is room for improvement but the reason for the cyber crime victimization from Africa is less technical as the so called porosity is not to th extent where a 12 year old or (according to your first post) would easily break in.

The US has what I'd call a 'big country' issue.

What is happening!?!

Are we all criminals now?

I believe only the youths can stop this. Let's collectively campaign against crime. The way we sometimes sympathize or even openly support criminals cause they live a lifestyle we dream of is disturbing. It's either we blame the victims (when they are foreigners) or we say "why going after these yahoo guys while our leaders are milking us dry". All these make us crime apologists. We forget that these guys are not just making life miserable for others, they are also making things difficult for us and our children out there.

Say No To Crime

Carlyboi:
Hushpupu no dey here Na....I think America has the weakest and most insecure banking system in the world I mean for a country that owns the Silicon Valley they should be able to do much better...inasmuch you wanna blame these fraudsters soiling our reputation globally as a nation their financial institutions should buckle up and stop making their citizens easy targets...you see 18,19,20 yr old boys without any tangible source of income,no craft,technical or creative skill,no education and no gainful employment riding all around town in Toyota and benzes partly and the old fools are not left out too the mid 20s to late 30s and 40s still engage in cyber and Internet fraud...fools at 40 never do wells due to their Porous American bank info system.The most fitting punishment for this recalcitrant and unrepentant scammers is to seize all the money and properties acquired from their scam trade and restitute to the owners and victims then a 3-6months jail time as first time offenders would suffice whereby the next time you’re caught it’s gonna be 3-6years without no fine or bail option depending on the severity I think that way they’d get it.

I personally find it sadening when Nigerians at home type this way. You guys find a way to blame the victims instead of aggressively attacking the offenders. You always start with "in as much as I don't support crime, .....", etc. All those statements only aid victim blaming and that's why the western world thinks we are all criminals or, at least, crime apologists.

Fact is, there's no type of security you can put in place to keep away anyone who has already obtained the security details from the actual account owners or someone who's played on the psych of the unsuspecting victims to follow their biddings.

Really? You think the American banking system is targeted cause it is the most porous? You think African and Asian countries are not victimized cause thiers is better? Or you think most of these fraudsters actually write scripts to bypass the security infrastructure of the banks? No, the rely on the fact that these people in the western world are not exposed to scams are much as Nigerians are and therefore aren't as security conscious; they trust faster and they're are easily moved emotionally. These guys are just taking advantage of thier nature. Take a look at the people involved, some of them just play the love interest role.

Kriss216:
So, it has now gotten to the extent of bragging with transfer limit

I keep saying this, In the absence of sense, God compensated most Nigerian girls with brezz and nyash!

Everything is not about insulting girls. These two combined don't brag half as much as Davido yet nobody insults men. You didn't remember to call men names when Hushpuppy was bragging with his ill gotten wealth. If you have issues with Tacha and Thelma, you call them out and stop using every opportunity to drag the entire female gender. It's childish... except you're a teen. You're not a man by choice. Besides, it's better they are bragging about revenue from sales than over 419 revenues.

Oluromantic:
No need for therapist jor. Her own dey her body.
Most girls say they're in relationship, most guys say they're single. But if you observe well, most guys have 3 babes or more, girls stick only to one. Out of those 3 babes or more the guy has, there's always one that has all his heart that he's always serious about. She need to sit down and find out what is making her not that special one..that's all.

Lol.... as usual, when guys go cheating and dating multiple girls; girls are the ones to sit down and ask themselves questions.

The infallible men.

Omar09:
You get it. But the more I want it, the more I realize I could never have it no matter how hard I try.

When you came to terms with the fact that it was just a dream, you adopted it as a form of emotional regulation. To explain this further, please permit me to copy my last response to the OP:

etrange: Gore lovers follow the same psychological path as lovers of horror movies/games. They undergo what is called "emotional regulation." This simply means fear under controlled conditions. When you watch/read/play gore/horror media knowing know fully well you can easily stop reading, pause or alter events, you kind of feel in control of fear (you look at fear face to face knowing it cannot harm you). This feeling, coupled with the pleasant feeling of relief after the heightened excitement, gives a satisfying sensation that prompts them to seek more.

Asides from you wanting more, it might have had other effects on you like making you like horror in general or making you less fearful when confronted by scary situations (cause you always believe it will end and everything will be fine afterwards). Whichever way, the ideal thing is to take advantage of it and try to drop any negative effect that came with it.

TheSourcerer:
lol you have no idea how many serial killers inspire each other on these sites , lol do you even watch real death interviews , sit that side joh♥️

Lol... you read too much Mary Higgins Clark.

Anyway, now that you've quoted me, I'd like to correct an assumption you made earlier. Liking gore doesn't not necessarily imply one is either super intelligent or a serial killer. Gore lovers follow the same psychological path as lovers of horror movies/games. They undergo what is called "emotional regulation." This simply means fear under controlled conditions. When you watch/read/play gore/horror media knowing know fully well you can easily stop reading, pause or alter events, you kind of feel in control of fear (you look at fear face to face knowing it cannot harm you). This feeling, coupled with the pleasant feeling of relief after the heightened excitement, gives a satisfying sensation that prompts them to seek more.

Omar09:
I had a little problem like every kids whilst growing up. I used to have frequent nightmares. Like you could count the nights I slept without actually dreaming. I was very scared like afraid of dying scared. Then when I out grew it, or stopped being scared of those nightmares, I started longing for them unconsciously. So anything to suffix that. I do watch scary movies at night so that it would enhance my dream experience.

You had probably gotten used to your dreams before you outgrew it. In fact, you probably stopped dreaming cause, as you grew up, you realised more and more that it was just a dream and just like horror games, it doesn't really affect reality. That consciousness made the dream to fade away but then, towards its last days, it had constituted a part of your childhood; you were already aclamatised to the adrenaline rush, the pleasure of waking up and realising it was a dream was already a reward to your brain for the dream action. Such patterns (action => reward) gets the brain wanting more.

Everybody claiming to like gore just to appear "hard" or "unique". I can even read someone telling the other he must be super intelligent for liking gore. I know we all like to feel special but let's remember these are people's fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, wives and husbands.

Let's do all we can to make the world a better place. Say no to any form of discrimination/stigmatisation.