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slimfit1:
Who is Gold digging here now?

You hear about a marriage and the first thing that comes to your mind is gold digging. Must there be gold digging? People have other reasons to get married.

Holybaddo:
The price is much
Won't it be better to create is own social media app and use half of the money to advertise it.

First, he's buying an existing marker share. This includes the app, the user base and most importantly, the data. No, it's not necessarily better to build his own. You can't be certain it'll even grow up to the level if Twitter in terms of user base and even if it does, it'll take a long time to have as much data. And except Twitter starts falling, the data there will still remain bigger.

This aside, it was his decision. You don't just pull out at will without paying for the shakeup the uncertainty caused the organization. The stock and goodwill implications aside, he got access to privileged information and by rejecting the organization, he has sent a red flag to other investors. Who knows, this might have been his plan all this while. Anything to first demarket Twitter before eventually building his own is good for business. But that comes at a cost.

oshozondii:
Baba say e no do again ooooooo, no be by force abeg.

That's not how the market works. The uncertainty caused by announcement alone has extensively changed things for Twitter including the stocks, the structure, goodwill and employee's confident/commitment. You can't just drop halfway except you have some good reasons that could not have been found out before making the agreement. In other words, having a good reason isn't enough. It should be a reason that there was no way he could have noticed before making the agreement. Otherwise, he'd be fined heavily for shaking up the organization for nothing.

Aren't y'all tired of this picture already?

A colleague's sister? I don't understand. Your organization wore asebi and drove from one state to another for the wedding of someone you don't even know just because she a colleague's sister? Not even a colleague? What kind of organization is that?

Anyway, sorry for your ordeal. They say abortion is illegal. And seeing how men aren't necessarily obliged to pay for child support in Nigeria, I can understand why they were forced to get married. But then again, what kind of family would that be? Neither the man, the woman nor the child would be happy. I am a strong advocate of abortion. It is good for everyone including the child.

The protesters went swimming? Wow.

Everyday!

BluntCrazeMan:
But there are a lot of things he declined to comment on. And that includes “The Diezani Case”. For him to still be curving and avoiding the discussions whenever it rotated around “The Diezani Case”. It means that the case is still very very active. So, what is exactly about “The Diezani Case” that everybody is shying away and running away from talking about?.

If the case is still active in court, then he shouldn't be talking about it in the media, right?

After reading this guy's damning article about Flutterwave, I knew he was fierce. It'll be in the best interest of Reno to keep quiet about this.

Righteousness2:
That is absolutely and Biblically wrong. It is abomination. And nothing abominable will enter into the kingdom of God!

The Word of GOD is the Standard! Culture is not the standard.

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And who told you men should put on trousers? Did Jesus wear trousers? Where did you get that from if not the English man's culture? You're promoting the culture of a certain region while screaming culture is not the standard.

This is a kilt not a skirt. And kilts are worn by men, not women. So how is it Biblically wrong? The Bible wasn't culture specific. It says men shouldn't put on women's attire and vice versa. It didn't mention skirt, dress, trousers, shorts, etc. because some of these clothes weren't existing then or weren't worn in that part of the world. It is, therefore, up to people of different regions to identify what a man's attire is and what a woman's attire is. And what you call a man's attire today is specifically what the colonial masters' culture identified as a man's attire. People were not putting on skirts in the Bible. If you were colonized by the Scottish people, you'd certainly criticise any woman that puts on this same kilt cause you'd consider it a man's outfit.

Jesus wore long garments but it wasn't wrong because we know that's different from the gown worn by women, and that's what men of that region used to wear. Scottish men wear skilts. Why do you fail to appreciate the fact that it's a man's attire? Even the trousers men wear in Nigeria were introduced by the English man. Men used to tie wrapper, would you say that was biblically wrong too cause it was like a skirt? Isn't it way too myopic to judge the entire world using the culture of a certain region just because you were colonized by that region and yet have the guts to say culture is not the standard?

Sometimes, I just wonder how some of y'all process things.

Lol... knowing the way this guy behaves, I doubt there's any real threat sent his way. It's probably all part of the campaign.

Do you do quantity surveying as well?

Mayemavins:
Msg me on Whatsapp

Your number, please.

Just want to ask a few questions about the situation. Maybe there's a better way of handling it.

Nice one, OP.

Can you give me her number, please?

Gemma11:
How would an unexposed, not highly educated, never left Nigeria before 21 year old have the knowhow to exploit one of the top Nigerian Senator's situation? How many of us even knew about his sick daugher before this whole debacle?
And why are David's intentions being questioned when everyone knows that a lot of young people in Nigeria are looking to Japa? Why are David's intentions to accept a proposed job offer in the UK, with flight, visa and all expenses paid seen as sinister and not normal for any adventurous 21 year old with a dream?

If this has always been his plan from the moment he was contacted, then the need to japa doesn't need necessarily justify his actions. The intention I'm referring to is not his intention to accept all those things you mentioned above, but his intention to play a fast one the senator despite the fact that it was a matter of life and death. The end does not always justify the means. Nigerians want to japa but that doesn't mean everything they do to that end is automatically OK. No decent human being would see such a situation as an opportunity. The only thing that justifies him is if he's being honest about not knowing the actual plan.

Yes, he didn't know about the daughter, but this could have still been thought out after he was contacted. You didn't know this David before now so you don't know what he's capable of. You don't who his friends are. You don't know the people advising him. I also don't know myself. That's why I've made all my statements conditional.

I know this is meant to educate, but it's actually dumb. It's just like telling the bride not to enter cause her name is not on the invitation list and claiming to know your job. Lol

Anyway, thank you for sharing.

What will you do for Nigeria if elected president? Can we start talking about that?

Gemma11:
The only exploitation here is the from the Ekweremadu's camp.

David is not responsible for the daughter's illness
David would have no knowledge of the daughter's illness if not for the Ekweremadu's recruiting him into this mess
David did not purchase his own ticket to the UK
David did not book himself into the Royal Free Hospital
David did not apply for a visa to the UK
David has a right to say no at any time, regardless of if consent was previously given.
David is a human being whose his life matters
David has a right to keep both of his God Given Kidneys
David's life is worth no less than the Ekweremadu's daughter
David, just like the Ekweremadu's twenty something year old children, is also somebody's child.
David is a victim

Again there is a reason why he was desperate enough to report his predicament to the Police, instead of going underground and hustling like most Nigerians who find themselves in the UK without papers if he really wanted to stay in the country. Exposing yourself to the authorities who have the power to put you back on the next thing smoking back to Lagos doesn't tally up with your assessment

As for the Ekweremadu's camp...

Who has access to David's personal documents and is plastering online because it is certainly not David and that is another form of exploitation as there is no reason for another unrelated adult to be in possession of the personal data and documents of another.

You're seeing it from the perspective of David's legal rights. He has the right to change his mind at any point. I'm seeing from the perspective of David's intentions. If he planned this all out, then there's no other way to put it other than to say he exploited the senator's situation. Both were desperate. The senator probably wanted to exploit his desperation but the hunter became the hunted. However, this does not somehow make it right. He might get away with it, but if he were my friend, I'd be wary of him. It takes a strong mind to make such moves not withstanding the life at stake.

That's if he lied.

Mental health

Gemma11:
He reported himself to the authorities after the operation had already been cancelled and he had already left the Ekweremadu house...so at that point there was no danger of organs being removed....not like any UK Doctor would risk their licence to do such a thing without following full protocal and getting full direct and signed consent with witnesses from the proposed donor anyway.

So I maintain the situation for him must have been very desperate.

So at that point, it was already obvious the operation had failed. Could it be that he wouldn't get the full package if things didn't go as planned? Maybe they agreed he'd still get paid regardless of how it goes but he'd have to return to Nigeria if it didn't go well? Would that be motive enough? At this point, we can only speculate but I'm not closing my eyes to the possibility of premeditated plan to exploit the senator's daughter's sickness. Both parties were desperate.

I don't why these other guys don't see anything wrong with the guy deliberately exploiting another human beings terminal illness. Regardless of how much they dislike the senator, it does not make it right. It's really not about the senator, it could be anyone.

Gemma11:
Point taken.

But I am off the mind that the guy would have been in a really desperate frustrating situation because why report yourself to the police if the goal was to stay in the UK? I know of a few Nigerians who find themselves in the UK who happily hustle until they are able to get their papers regularised. I have an Uncle and know of a few others who have been here for years living like this as their intention is not to set foot in Nigeria again until they get themselves sorted. In fact that my Uncle, has even gotten married (only traditionally, not registered) and had kids during the time he has been illegal in the UK and he earns money cash in hand and has full sole use of another relatives dormant account for handling his money.

In the case of David, the first thing the Police would do would be to call immigration and get him sent back home to Nigeria...but instead an investigation was launched on the basis of the report so the evidence must have been damming for the Ekweremadus.

Also, les we forget..21 na still small pickin o and there is not much difference in the brain and rationale from that of a teenager. I believe the Ekweremadus have children around the same age of David who they would like to seek their authority over something as major as giving away an organ.

@bolded, reporting to the authorities at that point offers him the possibility of staying in the UK without sacrificing any part of his body. You don't think that's motive enough?

Nozino:
You are mad!!! You really mad. What is special about Ekeremadu’s daughter? What’s unfair to her? Do you know the number of people in need of kidneys? People have been on the Organ list for years hoping to get one!!! Why does she deserve special treatment? Why does she get a kidney at the snap of her fingers? Is a kidney sweet that you can easily buy from a store? If she can’t stay on the list till it gets to her, let her die. Paying for a kidney should NEVER be an option.

It’s quite evident that you’re aren’t as neutral as you claim. This is my last response to you.

How can you not see anything wrong with the guy deliberately exploiting another human being's terminal illness. Regardless of how much you dislike the senator, it does not make it right. It's really not about the senator, it could be anyone.

If he didn't want to give his kidney, why go out of his to do all this? Nobody is saying there's anything special the daughter. It could be anyone's daughter. It's not about the family. It's about the fact that if this guy planned this out, then he's extremely wicked. There's no justification for enriching yourself with the possible death of someone else regardless of who. That is not any different from money rituals. He was wasn't forced. He could have declined if he didn't want. You need to understand that in this case, one person's guilt doesn't necessarily vindicate the other. All your responses have been because you dislike the senator and that's why you're flaring up when someone shows sympathy to his dying daughter.

I'm glad this is your last response cause you just degenerated to a gutter discussion with your first line.

Nozino:
What is bad here, pray tell.

If the boy planned this out from the onset. If knew everything and went along with it with the intention of changing the story on getting there simply cause he knew he'd have an upper hand, then that's terrible and totally unfair to the dying person.

Gemma11:
Previous law student...

My point is consent is irrelevant as clearly stated in the MSA 2015 Act.

The facts are he is currently present in the UK and was here for a donor investigation with a view to illegally having his organs removed on the orders of the Ekweremadus. This is is why they were refused bail.

Again this case is Crown Vs Ekweremadu as in the Queen (Head of State) vs Ekweremadu and not Ukpo Vs Ekweremadu.

The Boy is not on trial here whether he lied or not. It has already been established by the UK Prosecutor and the UK Attorney General that a crime against the state has been committed on UK soil and the case has been deemed serious enough to be tried at the Central Criminal Court.

Your point is appreciated. The senator could go to hell for I care. But the guy in question could have planned this out. He could have decided to work against thier agreement on getting there because he knew he'd be in a better position any way.

Nozino:
Sir, why can’t you accept the fact that irrespective of if he was paid or not, the criminal senator has committed an offense? According to British law, the boy shouldn’t have been granted a visa to donate his organ in the first place.

I can’t wait for the sentencing. Both the criminal senator and his criminal beautiful wife should get at least 5years each.

Whether they've committed an offense or not does not automatically mean the guy didn't play a fast one on them. I don't care about their sentences neither would I stand with the guy if he planned this out. What is bad is bad regardless of how much we dislike the senator.

Gemma11:
The Boy may be lying but some facts have already been established which indicate the the Senator is guilty.

Namely:
The Boy is Nigerian
First entered the UK in Feb 2022
The Senator was responsible for all expenses relating to the trip
The Boy was going to for Tests at the private wing (would not have been NHS) of the Royal Free hospital - Bills paid for by the Senator
The Senator has told his people that the boy wasn't a match hence the operation was stopped and he wanted to send him back to Nigeria...this itself is an admission of guilt as it breaches the point 1-7 of the Modern Slavery Act 2015.

I could go on but I don tire

The senator might be guilty but until found guilty by the court, he's not. You should know that. And thank you for agreeing the boy might be lying. That's just the possibility I'm trying to establish with the other guy.

_{If you were trying to impress me with the quotations, bravo.}

Nozino:
I don’t have access to private information regarding this case. I’m considering all angles. I know who’s likely to lie, who has the power to apply for another person’s visa, who can changed or update bvn information with a single call, who can instruct immigration to come capture the biometrics of an international passport applicant at their Abuja home. I also know who desperately needs a kidney donor and is ready to do anything, including illegally trafficking someone to harvest their kidney.

I know who to believe.

You don't have access to certain details, that's why you can never know for sure. I like the fact that you used the words "likely" and "believe". What you're sharing is what you believe to be the likely truth. While your believes are valid, none of us know that for sure. Regardless of how informed your opinions are, they are still more opinionated than factual. I've not said for sure the boy is lying. I'm only being to possibilities.

Gemma11:
Will the flight to the UK, the free accomodation & Food can all be deemed as incentives in the UK Courts. It doesn't have to be a pure cash transfer.

Human Tissue Act 2004 section 32 or 33

The point I made is, if there's pure cash transfer, it would be harder to proof he didn't consent to the transaction as he's claiming. He could still be lying. As a law you student, I didn't think you'd gladly join social media judges to rule out that possibility.

Nozino:
And I also give you several reasons why he isn’t.

You gave me reasons why he might not be lying.

Gemma11:
The UK Law is complex...

This is what the MSA 2015 also says about consent

It is irrelevant whether the victim consents to the travel (whether V is an adult or child)
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/modern-slavery-human-trafficking-and-smuggling?fbclid=IwAR3RY4i3TnMvQyWis2AFPpGVwqM2Bwl55uGeCYrrE7KYJZbcSprrOVq_keQ

Bottom line, One is not allowed to bring anyone into the UK for the purposes of organ donation, whether that person consented to or not...end of story.

Donar Visa's are specifically issued only to family members or close unrelated indivuals to the recipient only after a match has been identified.

When I say the boy might also be lying, it doesn't necessarily mean the senator is not guilty. I'm not defending the senator, I'm saying there's a possibility the boy is not being truthful himself. Like you said, the law is complex indeed. That's why we can't decisively say what the outcome would be. The whole idea here is proving that it was "human trafficking" especially given the fact that genuine donor would still go through a similar process.

Nozino:
You can consider all this but the fact that the boy was trafficked to have his organs harvested without his consent?

If he's lying, then it's not without his consent. And I just gave you the possible reasons why he might be lying.

Nozino:
Na wa for you. You asked if the boy can’t lie to claim asylum and i replied accordingly.

You made reference to my statement thar it could end either ways. And I'm saying asylum wasn't even part of what I meant when I made that statement.