₦airaland Forum

Billyonaire: God, Allah, these Northerners are always talking about God, Allah and Power when it comes to Presidency. It is the weakness of Political structures like Political parties that allow for mushroom organizations formed by illiterates to hold press conference and spew incoherent gabbage daily in this country. This is what happens when a Pastor Chris Okotie is bigger than Fresh Party, A Buhari is bigger than CPC and a Tinubu is bigger than ACN. The very thing I love about PDP, is that the Party is bigger than all the members, we can see how OH BEE JAY was stylishly shown the way out of BoT, when he planned to lord over the party for ever, and PDP conducts open primaries. Now, lets go back to these junkies from the North. Should all the mushroom groups in the Boko Enclave merge and form a formidable non-allah party with national representation and Allah-less manifesto, then there will be a chance to 'chase' Jonathan out of 'allah villa', without that, PDP will rule for 99yrs. Oh lest I forget, do they know that their most powerful Babangidas, AbdulSallams and Atikus are PDP members meaning merging of all mushroom groups will be glorified pure water sellers Party ?...I am not a prophet of doom, but I say the North is more divided than any other part of this wonderful republic.

So, in your opinion, PDP was bigger than OBJ between 2003 and 2007? If PDP is bigger than its members, why was its rule or turn by turn presidency ignored to make way for Jonathan in 2011?, its nice to be honest with yourselves sometimes. Whoever that live inside your Aso Rock Villa is always bigger than PDP. That is the fact and truth.

superior1: Eziachi,can you explain the underline better, so who are the Igbo Leaders, MASSOB or people like you who have spent their productive life in Obodo Oyinbo?

Whoever is our leader should be non of your concern and like I said, we knew our leaders. Any group that doesn't know their leaders are like a tree without roots.
As for me, you knew nothing about me to make such authoritative statement about my productive life. I am a member of all my age groups, Town Unions, pay my annual town levies, attend all development effort meetings that needed attending.
You knew nothing about Igboland, if you do you must have known that there are organs like MASSOB that came into existence before it. While the tactics and method may varies, the goals are all the same.

dayokanu: The ferocity with which the West pursued the war was borne out of the way Ojukwu and Biafra conducted themselves in the opening months of the war.

Initially many in the West believed it was a war between the North and the East and they would stay neutral. But that neutrality went away the moment Biafra forces invaded the Midwest and aggressed the West

Lets assume we accepted your explanation about Ore and Mid West.
Then when you liberated Ore, what were you still fighting for?
How did you manage to get to the East? Jumping over mid West or your turn to invade mid West in order to get to the East?

Common sense dictate that this constant use of invasion of Ore doesn't make sense, because few months before that your leader was in Enugu, on the phone, sending representatives calling for Southern United front and few months later he joined forces with the enemy to fight a part of the same south. It doesn't add up. Awo claimed that he also had issues with the north, but this issue wasn't bad enough to fight them.

If troops in Ore was such a sacrilege, why didn't the northern troops in Lagos, such a bad thing? Based on what we read here, Awo was scared and worried about northern troops on your land and therefore was treading carefully not to upset them and therefore made no attempt to fight them off your land but you suddenly grow some muscle when Biafra came to Ore.
It cannot be just troops in Ore, because you liberated Ore and still carried on.
Neither did you tell Biafrans your qualms was them being in Ore and you don't want to get involve.

You are scared of the north even with their troops amassed on your territory, therefore did nothing, but saw the East as defeatable if you're paired with the north irrespective of how it looks.

Because months earlier, you said you have issue with the north too, trying to fudge a partnership with the East.
When was your issue with the north resolved for you to have made such a u-turn and become partners in a war against your own brothers?
There must be another reason and that is what we want to know, because your actions defies logic.

ujoatu: The ICAPS u mentioned has no legal backing. It is not an accredited institution by nbte or nuc so shut up boy,I live oppo the skull,trans egbu

So you mean that the institution exist as a fact? Whether you live opposite it or behind is inconsequential.
What do you mean by legal backing, when the body (Imo state) that established is the legal elected govt of the people with a law making legislative assembly body?

Abagworo: Rochas is doing well by my assessment based on the last time I visited Imo. He may have made some populist moves but anyone that denies the visibility of his governance is lying. The writer should visit Imo again. My only reservation with Rochas government is the quality of roads which I've hammered on severally. My visit to Orlu last year forced me to open a thread. Orlu was formally a roadside town but Rochas government is almost transforming it. Most Imo citizens on Nairaland that traveled or live in Imo should update us.

As you know I am from Orlu, Udenwa a close relative and I am never in any mode to praise any Nigerian politician. I just got back from from home (Orlu) with my entire family back to England. We stayed for 4 weeks. I was very impressed with what the guy is doing in Orlu. Apart from Orlu I went to only Owerri and the story was the same. I am so impressed with what he was doing towards pipeborne water provision. Trunk B road that ran through my country home is not only tarred but dualized. Amazing!
Our water run regularly now Although I don't have to praise him for providing what what we are paying for but the last time I had a running shower in Orlu was 1979. Kids don't pay school fess anymore, and I personally felt it, because I know how much I shell out at the start of every new term for my relatives to pay their school fees.. The money can now be used for something else for them to improve their quality of life.
So if Orlu is a measure, then I am completely at lost with the content of this article, because that is far from the reality what I just witnessed..

koruji: You still don't get it. A non-negotiated secession is the same as a declaration of war.

Whether their reason for seceding is enough in your eyes or they declared war is not the issue, at least they have a reason for going to a war irrespective of wrong/right.
What was your reason for fighting the war? You don't go and fight someone without a reason.

superior1: I hope you will understand my people wanting to protect their interest and playing the politics to that effect. I ask you, what of the Easterners?, can you say with all honesty that your people and leaders are committed to the Biafra agenda?, havent your people start playing and romancing the center now and only shout Biafra!!! when the going isnt so sweet?, why then do you keep seeing us in your shadows?.

The answer is "yes" Biafran people are committed to full independent of Biafra as a nation,if you doubt it, then conduct a referendum. I don't know what you meant by leaders. If you meant Igbo born political office holders of Nigeria, then think again. They are not our leaders. They are investors and shareholders in corporation called Nigeria. They must protect their vested interest and daily dividend, especially in glare of the public.
The first time you will see our leaders, you will have no doubt.

kunlekunle: did you realise the war ended just after the 6th month, before biafra started the propangada campaign.
Ojukwu dragged aid supplies meeting for 6mths and waiting for the rest of the world for mercy favour and support.
he had sold the whole of the east to a french financial institution, he was ecpecting the aid agencies to pay so he could buy arms. his war propaganda were the biafran kids he starved to show the world.

i think he should be exhumed and charged

This is my point, what has your lecture to me as to when the war ended got to do with the resultant Nigeria of 2013? Nothing. You are busy educating me on an event I participated in, when your existence as a human being was nil. Even almost 50 years after, I don't think some like you had even left their villages and cross the River Niger bridge ever.

debetmx: [/b] The first three paragraph tells you are very intelligent while the last paragragh shows the kind of poo the ibos have been fed and the quality of advice ojukwu received from people like achebe in biafra. So Yoruba officers like Obasanjo and Benjamin Adekunle should abandon their duty post because of ojukwu's intransigence and ambition.Rubbish. Awolowo never hated the ibos. Cowards like Ojukwu and Emmanuel Ifeajuna were their worst enemies. Startings war and coup and running into exile

The first three paragraph is you reading from me what wanted to hear, while the last paragraph is you not wanting read what you do not want to hear from. Its called cherry picking.
Whether Ojukwu was a coward or a batman is insignificant to your life and mine and that of our children in 2013? Adekunle not urinating on his duty post is so inconsequential in 2013. What you are doing now and tomorrow is what matters.

superior1: I beg to differ, there is no region currently in Nigeria that pursue regional agenda and Sovereign National Conference like the West, we do not hate Biafra or her agenda (I think most westerners will even confess of being tired of the entity called Nigeria). The truth is that the East is not really sincere and committed to the Biafra Agenda perhaps due to their closeness to the center of power and romance with PDP. Like you infer, history has been made but why dont the East focus on their agenda and stop seeing West as an imaginary enemy who is responsible for all their problems?

You may beg to differ, but The comments from your brothers/sisters on this thread and others in regards to Biafra or East agenda doesn't support your stance on an imaginary enemy, unfortunately.
And the pursuit of regional agenda only when you are not calling the most of the shot at the center is well noted. The north signed and accepted Aburi, the original regional agenda but you hated it and killed it.
You started and finished the boundary adjustment of 1978, that is hardly regional agenda. Your son were behind the land use decree, that is no regional agenda. During the OBJ conference of 2006, the regional agenda was that the south should support 25 percent of derivate as a starting point towards 100%. But what happened when they got to Abuja, you turned 360 degree and sided with the north for a mere 13 % to the astonishment of your fellow southerners, that is no regional agenda to me.

This Awo vs Emeka, who was right is an old news to me. What we want to know is your 2013 agenda? One minute, you want one Nigeria, the next you want regional agenda, the next you forming alliance between ACN/CPC, hence its difficult to follow your agenda

kunlekunle: There are no signs of any corresponding flexibility on the Biafran
side. In his last major public statement on 28th October Colonel Ojukwu
declared that "the war aims of Biafra are very simples to delay the
enemy for as long as possible until world conscience is aroused and then
t o seek world support in what is essentially a human problem". He
claimed then that the Biafran situation had improved, that the fact that
international relief operations had been bringing in a great dea l of relief
items had tended to reassure the Biafran people and ha d pulled up their
morale. He added "peace, indeed everything pertaining to this war
depend s on one man and one man only ; that person is Harold Wilson . It
is he who decided for Nigeria whether to continue the war or to seek peace.
No matter how reasonable the others are eventualy Harod Wilson will
have to decide and Nigeria will accept" . In this speech however
Colonel Ojukwu did say that he would "go anywhere for peace" and added:
" a peace conference would always be possible provided Nigeria genuinely
wants peace , unfortunately, the indications are not so at the moment" .
Mr. Kogbara, the unofficial Biafran representative in London , told the
Canadians here on 5th December that the Biafra s have no intention of
negotiating at this stag e since they wish first to strengthen their position
and to regain some more territory . He asserted that Biafran secession
could not now be called in question and said that Biafran sovereign y was
not negotiable . Anything short of Biafran independence could not be
accepted . Concessions would have to come from the Federal Government
who he claimed were in a precarious position because of strains between
the Yorubas and the North . There must be an unconditional ceasefire.
Britain for her part must persuade Lagos to make concessions .

We can see how much of flexibility you showed after June 12 1993. How much flexibility did you showed after Abiola and his wife were murdered? You were threatened to scatter Nigeria, started Radio Kudirat, shipping arms to Benin republic, starting to train guerilla forces in Togo, just because of a man and his wife was killed and election won was denied?
But you turned around and ask flexibility from someone whose thousands of brothers and sisters had been murdered and still being hunted? It shows how insincere many of you are.

geeez: [b]Obviously Awolowo was a brilliant politician with all the tact required to lead a bloodless revolution which Oju Iku failed to see. How can you, for the love of Christ, start a battle you so badly lack the capabilities to sustain?

Oju Iku demonstrated cowardice by fearing to meet in the west and despite being a military officer, he failed to understand the art of war. I wonder how someone will call an Awolowo who requested that his security be withdrawn, a coward. Didn't Oju Iku himself flee, dispossessing innocent women and children of their planned flight to safety? That is cowardice at its worst - running from a battle you initiated and taking advantage of the weak

And let it be clear to all you ranting folks, that the Yorubas have never been and never will be subservient to the north. The Yoruba is the only nation in Nigeria with a distinct identity, the only region that has been vocal and bold even in the face of imprisonment and death in modern Nigeria, the only race that has proved that it cannot and will not stand a day of mediocrity in governance, the only people with a clearly defined ideology of what they want from a united or divided Nigeria irrespective of their religious differences.

Obviously a united south will be place in a better position to deal with the north but what Oju Iku failed to realize is that wars are not won on the battlefields but in meeting rooms. [/b]

I think you guys should leave this for posterity now. Both men are death and the problem they faced has since mulitiplied today. What are we going to do about it? Biafrans still believe, separation is the answer, I don't know what the West exactly believes in. I can understand the stances of both men under the circumstances they found themselves. Awo was much older and experienced than Ikemba, who was under 30 at the time and you can tell from their both use of words. Emekas has been placed under what many won't face in their life time in a twinkle of an eye. Thousands of his people had been massacred including my dear uncle, his pregnant wife and two children. Emeka was under severe pressure from all sides to do the right thing, but its difficult to do the right thing with dead bodies of your kins all around you.

Awo has just been released from prison, his land is surrounded by people who will kill without any qualms, he has seen how Fajuyi was killed in their backyard and nothing happened. No matter how brave you are, no man want to die when it comes to it. He calculated that his people will be the first target if there is a war between the north and the south because of geographical location. Whether Ojukwu understood this genuine fear, I don't know.
But what bugged many of us was the ferocity of which the West pursued the war against the East when it started,even more than the enemies (north) themselves. It doesn't make any sense. But what happens now is what is more important. Why do the West hate the word Biafra more than the north in 2013?

ujoatu: if i had 4hrs of light 2yrs ago and now enjoy 18hrs i shld regret why its not 24hrs? Jesus my Lord,some of us are just pathetic

I am not asking that you regrets it, I am asking that you demand it 24hrs of power because you deserve it as matter of right for something that you paid to be supplied to you. Its not free, it not a luxury, its a necessity of modern life.
Its just that years of misruled has placed your expectation so low that you considered having 18hrs of power as a big deal and halleluya event, because I told you before that in nearby Cameroon, most folks there in their 50s probably had never experienced power failure once in their whole life. We are not talking of United States, Germany or Britain here, I am referring to Cameroon, your next door neighbours.

Gbawe: Look, just change you ways. Prejudice is never a good thing. If you were a Nigerian predisposed to seeing good Nigerians, wherever they come from , you will never be ignorant of Ribadu to the extent you can ignorantly confuse him with El Rufai. These guys are distinguished and individual Nigerians for god sake!! They have had different histories, portfolios and impact. How can you confuse them if a Nigerian who belives goodness and evil is found in all corners of Nigeria? You should look at yourself and admit you have a problem.

You should leave him alone now and accept his explanation, irrespective of how pathetic it might have sounded. He may be genuine mixing up the two guys, its not in the gene of an average Nigerian to admit, error or not knowing something. So you guys might be here next year if you expect him to say, that he didn't know.

OsunOriginal: Man, I am amazed at the level of illiteracy and ignorance in those regions - SE/SS. They are too backward in terms of knowledge than I could ever have imagined - thank God for social media.

Okay! Well I am from Biafra a.k.a SE, my illiteracy and ignorant is not that bad and I am really not that bad in terms of knowledge. I had been an orthopaedic surgeon in England/Scotland for the past 39 years, my son has ten years experienced oxford trained as a surgeon too, my daughter is an executive news producer/presenter with Al Jazeera network in Doha.
You see my good friend, we from SE are not illiterates, ignorant and backward in knowledge as you are programmed to think.

repogirl: The doctor is a surgeon, might have come in to receive the president after a surgery process or before one and obviously d governor must have been expecting the president and so dressed up for him. What is staged about that?
People are happy dat d governor is looking well while u are looking for something that isn't there. SMH.

Why would a sick person dressed up for someone coming to empathise with him? He should have put his lipstick on, to look attractive for him.
Only in Nigeria.

Godjone: i learnt that he was standing while exchanging pleasantries with mr president. I rily lov this president! What a caring father! He was with yakowas family last 2wks during the burial. He visited suntai while he was stil in Abuja national hospital. Yesterday again he paid a fatherly visit to one of his son (WADA). May God blex u sir.

Hopefully his next visit won't be your turn, because he wasn't visiting them to celebrate a good news.

OsunOriginal: I agree with you. You can be a villager and be very smart. But some villagers can be very fooooolish like some of the SE posters on NL.

Well, I did not read you calling main protagonist of this issue, Afenifere as SW villager but you rather chose people you don't, just that they had a varied opinion to yours.

noblezone: hahahahaha!



When some of us are saying that Nigeria can never produce a National Leader, they call us names.
There will never be a leader that the North, South, East, West, Middle, Christian, Islam, etc will all accept as one.
It is wisdom to negotiate Nigeria, else, we can continue to deceive ourselves.



It is either you play to the gallery or simply ignorant.
The North is not only crying about marginalization, they are also doing something about it.

If Buhari were to be the President, the Boko Boys would not be on rampage.

What gallery? maybe I am ignorant but I am not sure about your gallery thing. Are sure we are not saying the same thing? Because what I said was that every section of Nigeria claimed to be marginalised when one of their kin is not in power, but once the barton is changed marginalization feelings all starts again and this is because, Nigeria is too divisive to generally accept anyone as their one united leader.
Many of my Igbo brothers suddenly dislike Buhari simply because he is a northerner and a challenger to a person that claimed to be one of them for convenient reasons, even when I cannot see any Igbo leader today, as honest and clean as Buhari.
And the same reason most northerners/SW will never support Jonathan, especially when Jonathan is making it even very hard to be supported.

OsunOriginal: Look at them, foolish villagers from SE/SS trying to instigate the west against the north - this is dead on arrival. We are more intelligent than you guys and I think you should know this.

You really think living in a village is a bad thing, with all the fresh air, fresh foods and veg? Typical Nigeria, living in concrete jungle is idea of a good life. It the same, for mindless southerners that always uses the term cattle reares as an insult for northerners. But they don't know that in all rich nation, you really had to be somebody to raise a cattle.

[quote author=Sunny_bobo]A moderate guy made a donation of 1,000,000 naira to NPN in 1979? Haba Eziachi, you are more than this. Modotels were already springing up across the country prior to Ekwueme becoming VP. I also know the guy very well and he happens to be my late uncle's contemporary.[/quote]He may be your uncles contemporary but he was a school mate
Like I said, your generation are too smart to be fool by lies like N1000000 donation. Its the sort Orji Kalu claimed to have donated in 1999. as his excuse to cleanup Abia state. And modotel wasn't springing any where before his ascension to the Nigeria money spring. How may more has he sprang up since he left power? He was by no means a poor man before he came into politics, but do you really know how much it cost to build a grand five star hotel, more than one at a time?

Noliza: From what I gather, the majority of you guys are against praying for your leaders but prefer to condescend to raining insults at them. Like someone rightly said, this is the character of lowlifes and cowards who cannot do better themselves given the opportunity. These are the dregs of society that can never amount to anything tangible, but always end up destroying themselves. Who said you cannot lead a meaningful action as was done in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc not too long ago, if you feel so agrieved at how your leaders are leading you. I believe this will be more beneficial to all concerned instead of all these senseless rants that only show your level of stupidity and the empty nature of your medula oblangata. Better change your ways, perhaps things might change for you, who knows....? Na new year be dis o....!!!

They are not leaders, they are elected servants to the masses and the masses owe them nothing, including your so-called prayers.

Sincere 9gerian: In all of these arguements back and forth, no one can say conclusively that Mr president said those things. So far, only one source (AFP) reported it but other media organisations were also there. How come only AFP heard it when Mr said those things? The visit of Mr president to that particular church (the brethren church or something like that) was reported by several media organisations but none made mention of "end times". Even media organisations that are perpetually looking for perceived negative reports to embarrass the president- Premium Times, Punch and SR- are yet to report it at this moment. Even when they eventually report it, they will most likely quote the same source- AFP. AFP was not the only media organisation present there.
Even if Mr president mentioned "end times" it will also be good to know in what context he did that. Was it a side talk? Was it a joke? I dont know. But I'm just raising posers because my first comment and indeed most comment so far assumed Mr president actually said those things as reported but its possible that may not be the case or perhaps the context may be different from what was reported. These days there are many mischievous media organisations(including foreign ones). The activities of the foreign media organisations are becoming very suspicious especially now that virtually all of them are setting up hausa service in the north( no Igbo or Yoruba service).
Anyway, it will be good if we can see the video.

I saw it in the American ABC News, good enough for your defence?

Sincere 9gerian: It is very unfortunate that you'r comparing an era where bow and arrow and other crude weapons were used and this era of global terrorism where suicide bombing and improvised explosive devices are deployed at will. If I may ask, how long did it take Britain to stop the insurgency led by IRA? Why hasn't Pakistan, a country that has far superior security system compared to Nigeria, stopped the Taliban (our own equivalent of Boko haram) led insurgency? Even recently, it was reported that a bomb went off in Pakistan killing a senior govt official and some other persons. Were the Americans able to stop insurgency in Iraq before they ran away? It was easy to stop the insurgency in the 80's because crude weapons were used then and the country's security system was equal to the task. After all Buhari didn't carry AK-47 to go and crush the insurgents. It was the same police, army, SSS and other security agencies, who are currently battling boko haram, that did the job then.

I can't recall Maggie Thatcher or John Major telling IRA bomb victims that its end time, so they should take it. I can't remember anyone that died and their family rejoices because they were killed by bow and arrow instead of timed bomb. You makes the 80s sound like it was in the stone ages and then you forgot that in the 80s national security sophistication cannot be compared to the present day era of satellite/mobile tech. Which mean it should be easier to fight crime/Boko Haram today than it was in the 80s with an improved intelligence gathering.

Gbawe: Oga Eziachi, long time. As you are one of the few Nairalanders worthy of the respect of all, I wish you a happy new year. keep being you because it is your kind who add true value to this forum as truly wise men.

I wish you all the best too. Have a nice day.

Sincere 9gerian: So Ekwueme, as vice president stole while the president was a saint? Tell that to the dogs. Who doesn't know that Buhari discriminated against the south as PTF chair and as head of state. Even till date, how often do you hear of Buhari attending any function in the south? Ethnoreligious discrimination is a worse form of corruption

Everybody in Nigeria claimed discrimination. Who is Jonathan discriminating against now or today?

Sincere 9gerian: So Ekwueme, as vice president stole while the president was a saint? Tell that to the dogs. Who doesn't know that Buhari discriminated against the south as PTF chair and as head of state. Even till date, how often do you hear of Buhari attending any function in the south? Ethnoreligious discrimination is a worse form of corruption

I am not interested whether he is a saint or not, I want you to tell me what Shagari did that was ignored? No tribal sentiment. Position in power had never been a hindrance to corruption. I have seen perm secs more rich/corrupt that the ministers under their ministry.
You should focus on Ekwueme, not comparing tribal rogues, who is worse. A thief is a thief, I don't care if he is my cousin, so I should lessen the impact because someone else is equally bad.