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 Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Not Disintegrate by GAR3TH(m): 5:54pm On Jan 24, 2012 |
Um no, most of theoil money that oil producing states produce goes back to oil producing states. Its not the "north" or "west" that chop the money, its the governors and politicians of those oil producing states that chop the money. https://www.sparc-nigeria.com/Uploads/State_GDP.JPG Which one says north and other non oil producing state chops oil money, yes they receive oil allocations but its considered peanuts compared to oil producing states. Oil producing states still retain the bulk of the allocations and the money the federal government get most get spent on the south. disclaimer :graph showing per capita income to the state from the State and Local Government allocation of the Federation Allocation Account Committee. |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Not Disintegrate by GAR3TH(m): 3:25pm On Jan 24, 2012 |
I agree that nigeria may not split but I also believe that nigeria will split, but not the way many see. All those tribalist on NL calling for Biafra or Oodua are just wasting their time because that will never happen. What actually has the STORNGEST possibility of happening is that the core north will separate from Nigeria.Yes i know you all are shocked but its true. how can the rich south say they want to separate from the poor and marginalized north, usually its the people who are marginalized that are the ones who calls for independents, south sudan, kosovo, pakistan, the confederate states (usa) etc, its going to be the poor north that will separate from the rich south, just like poor south sudan separated from rich north sudan. Many people say that their tribe is being marginalized, but is that true, no, the only place that is being marginalized is the north. The south receives the bulk of the budget and federal projects while the north gets little. Most of the economic activity and jobs in the country are in the south while in the north there is barely nothing. The south has progressive and developing cities such as Lagos, enugu, port harcourt, calabar, ibadan, benin city, warri, asaba, owerri etc, while the north doesn't really have that much cities that are developing. the south has all the progressive politicians such as fashola, obi, ameachi, duke etc, while the north, well can you name one. all in all the north is the one who are marginalized in nigeria and they are the poorest in the country. What I believe will happen in the next couple of years is a rise in "northern pride". As the north gets poorer and the south gets richer, As more southern politicians such as fashola or obi become president, as more northerns being to lose influence in the country, as boko haram continues to only bomb the north and makes it look like the south is doing nothing to help, as the corrupt "southern government" continues to marginalize the north, as less and less investments and jobs goes to the north and more and more to south, as the south continues to develop and the north remains the same, that is when the north will declare themselves and independent state. It may not be 2015 but it shall be down the road. I don't know how the borders will look like or what states or regions of the north will join their new republic but i know for a fact that the north has the highest probability of removing themselves from nigeria. With more southern politicians becoming president and having federal positions, the north will see it as the south torturing the north and thats when they will split. Many people in the south today don't really care about division, after all more and more jobs and investments are coming to the south and the south is developing rapidly. While in the north, the same story of poverty, boko haram and marginalization. So chances are Nigeria wont split, But if anyone is going to split its likely going to be the north. Btw, I'm from the south |
| Politics › Re: This Is The Time To Declare "The Republic Of Biafra" by GAR3TH(m): 7:42pm On Jan 22, 2012 |
akinsman:Thats what I ask every time, boko haram hasn't bombed the south or igboland and corruption is wide spread through nigeria. The same corrupt leaders that are in power now will be the same ones in power in the new country. In other words, nothing will change except the color of the flag. Splitting won't change the lives of those living in the south the same way the current attacks by boko haram hasn't changed how people in the south live their lives. people in the south watch the news, say oh my god boko haram is horrible, and go on about their day like normal. split wont affect anyone really, like i said its the same nigeria with a different flag |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 12:13pm On Jan 18, 2012 |
Olodostein:I think you have oil syndrome, not everything is nigeria is about oil and there are many sectors in nigeria's economy. Nigeria's GDP is over $350 billion USD a year, out of that 14% is from the oil industry, meaning about 300 Billion USD is created by other sectors of the economy. I don't think you know Nigeria that well to be making such statements. No we don't export cars and no we don't export computer, exporting doesn't mean you have a functioning economy. Obviously I cant name every company but nigeria has numerous airlines, numerous construction company, numerous manufacturing companies such as innoson, numerous food processing companies such as golden penny, numerous private farms, and the list goes on and on. I'm not saying that nigeria has a develop economy but you are not giving nigeria's economy the credit it deserve. You keep talking about Tax this and Tax that. If you were taxed, would you pay? How sure are you that it won't become another baseless #OccupyNigeria!2.0? People don't have money to pay tax in Nigeria because money does not circulate well into the hands of ordinary folks who needs it to boost the economy from the bottom up.I pay my taxes, it is your civic responsibility to pay taxes. There are numerous tax codes you can install so that you can collect tax from the poor without hurting them, for example you can tax them $1 dollar a year. 1 dollar times 150 million nigerians means and extra 150 million more dollars for development. Thats just one of numerous way and methods you can tax people and ofcourse Nigeria's tax will be less harsh than her foreign counterparts. What is monetary policy? How does the Central bank of Nigeria initiate such policy to stabilize the naira; that is by pumping Forex into the system. Do you think they print Naira at will? Why did they limit some big companies from acquiring huge chunk of our foreign exchange to the detriment of importers and occasional travelers like yourself, who need it for business and other things? If there was shortage supply of it, it would cause inflation, thereby eroding the value of your money in the bank, your wage or sales.confused what does this have to do with anything? I think you went off topic here, I'm the one who was talking about the economy while beaf was the one talking about Foriegn Exchange. both of use were talking about different topic. You keep talking about agriculture as well; what are you producing agriculturally? How many tonnes of rice and other food items do you import into this country a year? Do you have a modern agricultural equipments that will boost production? If not, are you going to buy those with Naira from China or some other countries? Why is Naira not accepted there?Like I said you have oil syndrome. just because the federal government is focused on oil doesn't mean that the private sector is doing nothing. There are many privately own farms in nigeria producing foods and crops like corn, cassava, palm oil, fruits, rice etc. as a matter of fact Nigeria produces 3.4 million tonnes of rice a year and output is expected to increase with the rise in investment. source I expected you to say that we needed innovation and indigenous manufacturing of both heavy and light industries. That is always the backbone of a nations economy.I did, Nigeria is not a develop country and does not have a develop economy but you guys dont give nigeria's economy the credit it deserve.I'm not saying its perfect or the best, but rather its developing and progressing. ofcourse it needs more work but you guys talk as if we live in somolia. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 9:48am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Beaf:Yes, we may not earn as much but its a start, we are a 3rd world country for a reason. The budgets may not be as big as the oil budget or budgets of western powers but it will get bigger and surpass the oil budget as we develop. Through the eye of economist and investors Nigerian is not known for its oil but rather its economic potential and with that economic potential is revenue for the gov, all we need is time and an enabling environment for nigerians (aka good governance). You have got it quite wrong. We are used to the shambolic structure of Nigeria and cannot imagine that the structure could be more efficient and productive.So in summary you and I both agree that nigeria has to change. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 9:33am On Jan 18, 2012 |
klas:Yes, I realized that, no need to spam and derail the thread, I'll end the argument. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 7:54am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Beaf:Their is nothing wrong with the democratic representative system we have now, its the same system used in the USA and many other progressive countries, the real problems are the moronic leaders we keep electing over and over again and thats what really needs to change. Nigeria can get no were without strong viable leaders who are corruption and mismanagement free. Leaders like fashola, chimes, amaechi, duke, Oshiomhole, obi. Leaders like those are the ones we should be electing and not the visionless fools who are in power today the only other thing that is wrong with Nigeria is our administrative system, why do we have 36 states and 774 LGAs and tons of pointless political position when the same thing can be done with just 18 states and 300 LGAs. Its just sickening. if you want to then change the border layout, add ebonyi to enugu state, add anomie state to Anambra State but what ever you do dont create more. Creating more state means more bureaucracy, more political salaries, more corruption, more of the budget being spent of recurrent expenditures etc. On the issue on taxation, the FG can make revanue from taxing, If states can do it why cant the fg? IGR accounts for about 60% of lagos state budget and is expected to grow as our economy grows and more people pay taxes. It won't be long before 80 then 90 then 95 percent of lagos state budget comes from IGR. So if lagos and other state governments can generate funds from taxes why cant the FG do the same, the same way that you pay federal, state, and local taxes in the USA and UK why cant it be done in nigeria, We have a growing diverse economy so why not? |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 7:20am On Jan 18, 2012 |
And the only reason the FG, not the economy, but the FG relies on oil is because they do not tax. The FG DOES NOT RELY ON OIL, if oil ran out tomorrow they can easily switch to a tax code system, like the on in the USA and UK , and gain revenue that way because we have a large non oil dependent economy. The reason the fg uses oil is because they want to not because they have to. oil is an easy way of collecting revanue but its not the only way. Beaf: |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 7:11am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Are we talking about the foreign exchange, NO, are we talking about government revenue, NO, we were talking about the economy as in GDP! oil account for about 14% of our GDP! http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/non-oil-sector-to-drive-nigerias-gdp-growth-in-2012/ http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/mobile/columnist/31384-reforms-and-government’s-moral-burden.html |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 6:56am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Onlytruth: GAR3TH: |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 6:53am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Beaf:Beaf, I and many forumers have long lost respect for you, if anything you are the joke. Your not even a real nigerian and your over here and there talking trash. whats so hard to believe, its facts, you can look it up. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 6:51am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Onlytruth:I think your confusing the definition of political instability, though there has been violence in nigeria, the government has remain stable for the past ten years. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 6:49am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Onlytruth:When a political system or country goes into turmoil and the governing party can easily be overthrown. Second a diverse economy is an economy based on different sectors, such as agriculture, manufacturing etc. and yes, the same way Botswana, nambia, ghana, kenya and other european countries etc can survive without oil is the same way we can survive without oil, all we need is good leadership and a taxed based system. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 6:40am On Jan 18, 2012 |
When a political system or country goes into turmoil. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 6:36am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Onlytruth:We have had stable elections for over ten years, though it doesn't mean we have good leadership, our political system is still strong. Second, what does killings in the north or resource control have to do with a stable political system, that has to do with security and mismanagement. Just because you keep voting the same corrupt leaders into office doesn't mean that the political system is unstable. We have had countless election for the pass ten years in federal, state, and lg offices with no interruption. The system is stable but the politicians are moronic. You have the right to vote, the right to protest and the right to hold your leader accountable for their actions, so how is the system unstable. Isn't this the same nigeria that other countries come to to solve their own political problems, if nigeria had an unstable political system why would they come? Like I said, nigeria political system is stable but our politicians are moronic. Another person who has oil syndrome, OIL IS NOT THE ONLY COMMODITY OR SERVICE IN NIGERIA'S ECONOMY. what so hard for you to realize that we have other sectors in our economy other than oil, or do you think every nigerian works for NNPC AND SHELL. Seriously It frustrates me every time i hear some on say that because those whosay it are either not even in-touch with what is going on in nigeria or are not nigerians. Continue to wallow in ignorance while foreigners are investing in nigeria making revenues while you, a so called nigerian, continue to complain about lack of cash. I'm not saying nigeria is develop, i'm not saying that nigeria is paradise and i'm not saying that nigeria is perfect, what I am saying is that nigeria is indeed developing and is better that what you think nigeria is. . . somolia. |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 5:34am On Jan 18, 2012 |
Olodostein:And does Nigeria depend on only 1 resource, oil? NO. does Nigeria have an unstable political system? NO. Does Nigeria have a diverse economy? Yes. Do state government budgets consist of IGR? Yes. do Nigeria have free will to vote for whom they want? yes. So how is Nigeria a banana republic. I think people need to get this oil syndrome out of their heads because their are many other sectors that make up the bulk of nigeria's economy. How can you say that oil, which only makes up 14% of our GDP, makes us a banana republic? IGR makes up about 60% of Lagos state budget, how can you say that they fully depend on oil? Fact remains that yes oil does make up the bulk of nigeria's government revenue, but if oil finishes tomorrow there are other sectors in the economy that they can easily tax to make up for the lost funds |
| Politics › Re: Asari Dokubo Leads Port Harcourt Protest: Wants Sovereign National Conference by GAR3TH(m): 2:50am On Jan 18, 2012 |
see*noevil Na wa Oh!!! I think the call for resource control must be heard this year and SNC must be held this 2012 . Can you imagine unproductive states such as Oyo , Ogun , Ondo , Borno , Adamawa , Kano and Nassarawa having MORE GDP than Oil rich areas such as Bayelsa , Abia , Akwa ibom , Imo . Hmmm wonders shall never end in this country . Asari abeg carry on . Fire burn all of them wen no want make we occupy our natural resources by ourselves.No offense but how old are you? An educated adult wouldn't be making such id!otic statements. for your information oil only account for 14% of nigeria's GDP, while agriculture accounts for more than 26% of nigeria's gdp and other sectors account for the remaining percentage. Nigeria is not a Banana republic, our economy does not rely on oil. So i scratch my head every time i see comments like these. No one depends on the Niger delta, there are other economic activities in the country other than oil that can be tax. Secondly, This is for all those who constantly group themselves with oil producing state, get over it. If Nigeria was to split I can assure you that either two countries will emerge, a north or a south, or 250 new nations will emerge, those are the only options. Why are you guys complaining that the British just group us together without a care in the world yet you do the exact same thing by drawing ludicrous maps and making absurd statement by grouping ethnicity that don't want to be with you. Seriously, I think some people on here need to grow up and act their age for once, disgusting. |
| Politics › Re: If The Deltans Support Subsidy Removal, Who Are You To Talk? by GAR3TH(m): 6:03am On Jan 16, 2012 |
Rossikk:not really, if you ask the average ijaw they will say," i'm disappointed in GEJ decision of removing fuel subsidy but I believe he has a plan for us, so i'll support his decision". In other words they are complaining about the rise in fuel prices and feel the pain but they just aren't protesting because Johnathan is in power and it will hurt his image. its all tribal. Also, other parts of the delta that produce oil and are NOT ijaw are protesting. their have been large protest against the removal of fuel subsidy in oil producing cities like warri, sapele and benin city, which confirms what i wrote above. |
| Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by GAR3TH(m): 1:57am On Jan 16, 2012 |
Okay believe what you want to believe , you have a right to your opinion but in the meantime I'll continue to read my books. |
| Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by GAR3TH(m): 1:51am On Jan 16, 2012 |
Onlytruth:I would rather agree to use REAL facts and statistics instead of fabricating fantasies. If you don't know something then research about it but don't make assumptions. Thats really whats wrong with the people Nairaland. |
| Politics › Re: SE And SS Unity Is The Key To Fight The Sponsored Yoruba Protest In SW by GAR3TH(m): 1:08am On Jan 16, 2012 |
Onlytruth:I have to disagree with that statement, The Eastern delta has the most followed by the western delta. Though there are oil fields in "igboland", its less than 1/5th off nigeria's onshore oilfields. And mind you that 1/3rd of nigeria oil comes from offshore deepwater rigs. so in reality its really about 1/15th if you include deep water oil. https://www.martresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/21/nigeria-umusadege-field/Umusadege.jpg |
| Politics › Re: Gov. Uduaghan Commissions 100 Buses To Boost Transportation In Delta State by GAR3TH(m): 11:13pm On Jan 13, 2012 |
karl max:Lagos has the largest public transit system in West africa and as a matter of fact as of august of 2011 lagos state has approved plans to increase its LAGBUS transit system by 10,000 more buses. Not to mention the mass transit rail system that is under construction and the numerous ferry services run by LAMATA. Edo state also has mass transit buses in place and some other ACN states have plans for mass transit buses. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/08/lagos-to-increase-lagbus-fleet-with-10000-new-buses/ So in summary, ACN states already had plans for bus services way before the subsidy was removed. Not to be bias, I also know some pdp states such as rivers and enugu also have bus services and have plans to expand them. |
| Politics › Re: Power Generation Hits 4,420mw Is It True ? by GAR3TH(m): 4:33am On Jan 11, 2012 |
If true I applauded the small increase in electricity but everyone keeps ignoring the main issue, distribution. Nigeria can generate 1 million mega watts but you'll still have no power due to nigeria's aging, overworked and disgusting electrical infrastructure. how can you expect to distribute 4000mw on electrical infrastructure that can barely handle 10mw. talk about putting the cart before the horse, I know a few states, like rivers, are changing their own distribution network but the fg, like always, is slow in fixing theirs [img]http://www.voafanti.com/gate/big5/media.voanews.com/images/480*320/nigeria-energy-480.jpg[/img] |
| Politics › Re: Strike: Count Us Out –south-east Traders by GAR3TH(m): 5:41am On Jan 10, 2012 |
BlackPikiN:I'm not obsessed with igbos, i'm obsessed in correcting people when they make ludicrous or false statements. I was only correcting a statement that someone said earlier. |
| Politics › Re: Strike: Count Us Out –south-east Traders by GAR3TH(m): 4:49am On Jan 10, 2012 |
@pointless debate, I still dont get why people are saying resource control? Those states that produce oil, especially those in the delta, receive enough funds from allocation that they can develop, nuke and develop themselves again. The problem is their governors, pointless administrative systems which mismanage those funds. Second The oil and gas field in igbo land are pointless and wont have a real economic impact considering the population of igboland (30 million). So for those who say igboland can survive on their own should think twice. yes there is oil but its scarce when you compare it to igbolands population. |
| Politics › Re: How Many Of The Fg's 1600 New Buses Are Made In Nigeria by GAR3TH(m): 10:55pm On Jan 07, 2012 |
@fasa2020 and PHIPEX Look i'm not trying to talk down or degrade anything, I'm just stating facts so people will understand. Like I said Innoson is just like Volkswagon of nigeria, they assemble cars for foreign companies, in this case Wuling Auto of China. The only thing is that with Innoson they change the badges of the vehicles. So its not a "made in Nigeria" car, its imported from abroad and assembled in nigeria. Just like if I mail a sony tv to nigeria, the tv is still made in japan even if you assemble it. With that said My original response was to why the buses will most likely be from abroad, Because its cheaper and faster. But what I said does not represent my view. Like i said before i was only stating facts and the truth. My personal view is that the fg should patronize the local industries and inpower the people. |
| Politics › Re: How Many Of The Fg's 1600 New Buses Are Made In Nigeria by GAR3TH(m): 7:52pm On Jan 07, 2012 |
To answer your question, most likely none. Their are no companies in nigeria that manufacture buses. Yes I know there is innoson but they import their parts from abroad and ASSEMBLE them in nigeria. Which means buying buses from innoson is more expensive than buying from abroad. the second reason why I doubt the buses will be made in nigeria is, Innoson does not have the capabilities to |
| Politics › Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by GAR3TH(m): 2:29am On Jan 06, 2012 |
iiiyyyk:It might be that or it might be because the removal of fuel subsidy will hurt all nigerians financially. It doesn't matter if you voted for GEJ or not the protestors are doing their civic responsibility of holding their leaders accountable for their actions. It has nothing to do with tribalism and only an Id!ot will connect the protest to tribalism. This is what is wrong with nigeria, that people are so drawn to "winning" that people would live in hell fire just so there candidate "wins". That they will just blindly follow what ever their candidate does just because he's from their area / party. That is what separates develop America from the 3rd world that is Nigeria. President Obama, bush, clinton etc all got tasks and pressured from both their opposition and their own party and constituents so that they, the president, does whats right for the country. But in Nigeria we have yet to see PDP members talk against the removal of fuel subsidies or even niger deltans in bayelsa protest against the removal of fuel subsidy just because GEJ is in power. That is why nigeria will never develop because some will just turn a blind eye, even if it means they will suffer, just so their candidate "wins". I'm for the removal of fuel subsidy but i'm proud that some nigerians are out there voicing their own opinions. |
| Politics › Re: Fashola Inspects Ikoyi Bridge Now At 80% Completion. Pics by GAR3TH(m): 4:39pm On Dec 20, 2011 |
I see them now, guess my computer just didn't load them |
| Politics › Re: Fashola Inspects Ikoyi Bridge Now At 80% Completion. Pics by GAR3TH(m): 4:33pm On Dec 20, 2011 |
EKO ILE has it right but just posted the wrong pics. The real pics are below, what seems to be left is the pylon and the span, the rest of bridge looks almost complete. Courtesy of Ritli (Rita) https://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3506/63218030.jpg Courtesy of Tundefashola.com https://i.imgur.com/VhuZC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/J2yH5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2eF0m.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5iM8q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8H0L9.jpg |
| Politics › Re: Occupy Lekki: Lekki Toll Gate Protest-update by GAR3TH(m): 10:07pm On Dec 19, 2011 |
[quote author=ade_77 link=topic=827167.msg9796258#msg9796258 date=1324297291]In the uk, the the people don't have to pay school fees for young children and they have free medical services we don't have that over here so don't compare nigeria to uk[/quote]I have to diagree with this statement because they do pay for school and medical services. the average UK citizen pays about 25% of their salaries towards taxes. some people, based on income and progression taxes, pay as much as 40 % of their income toward taxes. Nothing is free, they pay for everything you see through their tax system. Nigerian tax just cant compare. |
. So much comedy on Nairaland 
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