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texazzpete:What I was saying is most nigerian states, like Lagos, are broke, its that simple. Yes, Lagos increased its IGR but its budget is still small at about 2-3 Billion USD and a population of 10 million plus. At the same time you have LGAs and small towns of 100,000 in the west that have the same 2-3 Billion USD budget, you just cant compare. How can a state operate on a budget meant for a LGA. Almost every thing LSG does involves ppp because thats the only way they can maximize their budget. Second thing People have to realize is that your state taxes goes to the state and not your area. Even if you pay more through progression taxes your taxes will go to all state projects. Its your LGAs taxes that goes to your area and its your civic responsibility to pay all your taxes fed, state and local. I'm neither for nor against the tolls but what I'm against are the 3 toll gates being so close together. |
Weather you like it or not someone has to pay for it. We all complain there is no roads, no waters, no schools but at the same time no one wants to pay for them. Thats why Lagos and other cities are doing these ppp projects around the states because your taxes alone can not carry out these projects. Like I said before it cost the same to build a road in nigeria as it does abroad, it cost the same to build a hospital in nigeria as it does abroad, it should cost the same to run a school in nigeria as it does abroad. The average citizen in the UK pays about 20-25% of their salary towards taxes while the average Nigerian will be lucky to even pay tax. Like I said before, either way if you want it and want to maintain it, you got to pay for it some how, either through taxes or fees [tolls]. With that said the only issues i have is, is it justifiable to build the other two toll gates so close to the first. IMO i dont think so, there is just to short a distance between them and does not make any sense. Though the second and third toll gates haven't been constructed yet so they might change their plans. The other topic is the alternative route, why in the blue hell will they offer and build an alternative route that will take money away from the other road they just built, come on. I think people are demanding a little to much. the best they can do is offer free tolls between 11am-3pm and 10pm-4am |
Nchara:\Its common sense bro. . . Known Urban sprawls of Clark County, Nevada, USA [img]http://deved.meted.ucar.edu/hydro/basic_int/flood_frequency/media/graphics/NRCSNV00020.jpg[/img] Abuja https://i40.tinypic.com/2j5fbco.jpg Urban Sprawl of St. George, Utah https://www.wildhorizons.com/wp/wp-content/gallery/Part%201_GilaMonsters/images/UT-1929_UT-aerial-urban-sprawl.tif.jpg Abuja https://i43.tinypic.com/73i16u.jpg |
Nchara:Isn't that what I said earlier, We basically went full circle. vvv GAR3TH: Like I said any administrative settlement can be called a city [/b]but [b]People refer to them as hamlets, towns, villages or cities. You cant look me in the eye and call yenagoa, Dutse, Abakaliki or Osogbo cities. A town of 9 people can be called a city, but is it really a city? no, you can not sit there and tell me a capital with 9 people is a city. People will refer to it as a town/ village. |
Nchara:Not sure were Ojoo is but if you have to drive to Dubge ( by train station) to got to a bank then it must mean your coming from the outskirts of the city, Hence the suburbs of ibadan. What I was Driving at is a city is largely dense regardless of its population. That there are more people living in a giving area than a town. Since its largely dense you see more people, services, businesses and more homes per mile. Enugu and Abuja are considered cities by FG and states gov but in the mindset of people Abuja and Enugu will be considered urban sprawls/ large Towns. |
Nchara:Compare this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUP9U2Gj3-Q to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG8o5y5BmGs Which one looks like a town and which one looks like a city. Enugu is not densely populated and its development are spread out. A city in the minds of people is a place were you can easily walk from place to place and not have to drive 5 miles just to go shopping. Hence why I said enugu and abuja is an urban sprawl. compared that to lagos, Ibadan or PH, though you may have to drive sometimes but for the most part everything is relatively close. In other words a city, in the minds of many, is a place with high density and mixed zones. |
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Nchara:There is no real definition to what a city is, for example the smallest city in NY State is Sherrill with a population of 3,000 people while at the same time the largest town in New York state is The town of Hempstead with a population of 760,000. Like I said before cities and towns are defined by administrations like the case in NY or by people's common knowledge and perception. According to the state of NY sherrill is a city but according to me and others sherill will be consider a town through our perception of what a town should be. So yes, Nigeria and it states may consider Enugu a city but many people will consider Enugu a large town. It doesn't look, act, feel or have the same flow as what we expect from a city. Compared to Kano, Kaduna, Benin, PH, Ibadan and Lagos, Enugu and even abuja would be considered suburban sprawls. |
Nchara why do I have a feeling your replying based on ethnic sentiment ![]() |
Nchara:Like I said any administrative settlement can be called a city but People refer to them as hamlets, towns, villages or cities. You cant look me in the eye and call yenagoa, Dutse, Abakaliki or Osogbo cities. A town of 9 people can be called a city, but is it really a city? no, you can not sit there and tell me a capital with 9 people is a city. People will refer to it as a town/ village. What could be your ten true cities in Nigeria? That makes it even worse than the title of my thread which gives 36 cities + Abuja (And YenagoaLike I said previously just compare True Cities like Lagos, Johannesburg, Casablanca, Toronto, DC etc. to those in Nigeria. If your going to call something a city then it should infact match up to other cities around the world right? Even though they are underdeveloped you can look at Lagos, Ibadan, Benin, Port harcourt, Kaduna and kano and actually call them cities. The rest will be considered large towns. Remember like I showed before, There are suburban towns in the USA with populations of 300,000 plus and GDP of over a billion and they are still considered towns. But some how the same thing in Nigeria people are calling them cities ![]() |
A small town, even if they are capitals, are still considered towns even in the western world. The administrative name for any settlement, despite its population is considered a city. But people refer to towns, hamlets, villages or cities by their population and economic activity. There are suburban towns with populations of 330,000 but they are not referred to as cities because they don't have major economic activity, influence and other factors. But what a city is can not really be defined. They way I define a city is by comparing. We all know lagos is a true city, so just compare lagos to other towns and see if those towns can be called a city. In reality you'll find that nigeria only has about 10 true cities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islip_(town),_New_York population 322,612, GDP ~ 1 billion still considered a town |
Excluding Abuja, almost every Nigerian "cities" [village, towns IMO] has been around before independence. The only thing that has change over the years are the states and LGAs that "border" them. Just like east central state which was broken up into 5 states or Rivers which was broken up into 2 states. Those divisions caused the one-city states you see today, that are economical inviable. |
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[quote author=PROUD-IGBO link=topic=825318.msg9766751#msg9766751 date=1323894055]The point you raised of the South East receiving the highest amount in Nigerias' history after the South South is laughable . I wish i were true though. Could you refer me to any link/document to buttress your point?[/quote]After doing some research I'll take back my statement that the south-east zone receives the second highest amount of allocation. It turns out that they receive one of the lowest amounts of allocation. But you have to remember that the south-east is the smallest geopolitical zone and is about the same size as kaduna state. According to a 2005* article Kaduna state receives about N65.4 billion from allocation while the south-east zone, about the same size, received N237.4 billion through allocation. The south east is receiving more money for the same piece of land as other parts of the country. the reason why the south east gets "tiny" allocations is because the south-east zone is small compared to other zones. But in terms of "allocation per square mile" it receives the second most, after the south-south if rivers state was to become a geopolitical zone tomorrow it will have the smallest allocation compared to other zones but it will be the richest in term of land mass. *though its a 2005 article the allocation formula has remained the same throughout the years http://www.nigerianmuse.com/nigeriawatch/allocations/?u=media_accounts_five_year_allocation_summaries.htm |
what this, even though one was built they still cross the road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRdUMS7CAv0 |
@PROUD-IGBO Actually throughout Nigeria's history the south-south has receives the most money from the FG followed by the south-east. by just having a capital doesn't mean they have gained anything. |
To be frank, I hate abuja, at least the location. Why must everything revolve around tribes in Nigeria. Who cares if it on one mans land or not and why put the capital in the middle of the country? worst case scenario i would have preferred lokoja, but why build a city in the middle of nowhere? |
Nigeria: My kitchen is on fire!!!! can someone help me put it out ![]() ND: I'll help, I'll set your bedroom on fire. Nigeria: wait, what ![]() Isn't that whats going on here? how does this solve the problem? if anything it just going to increase and spread the conflict. And for those of you screaming war. . . https://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m449/war4BTT/InternetToughGuy-1.jpg |
Relax101:The practice of Polygamy is "legal" in the united states but the USA just wont recognize you as married to multiply wives, the same way that the practice of homosexuality is legal in the USA but in some states they cant get married. What polygamist would do is marry one wife and the others will be known as your "girlfriends/partners", since by law you can only marry one wife in the USA. So i'm not sure were you and many nigerians on this forum are getting the idea that polygamy is banned in the USA. Once again the practice of polygamy is legal but polygamous marriages are banned. I probably have the biggest case homophobia on the Internet but even I can tell the difference between right and wrong |
try this one, it should be the first link http://search.forbes.com/search/find?tab=searchtabgeneraldark&MT=nigeria |
lari03:You can gang räpe college girls in a dorm in nigeria because our biological correctness is that. Those that make sense? since when does the activities of a few dictate the moral values of a society. To be frank your just talking based on your religious views and not based on your ability to critically think or comprehend what is right for everyone. Like I said before, your a prime example of case # 5. |
^^^ edit for some reason the forbes link wont link. Try the google news link below and then click forbes [url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=Obama+Fights+Nigerian+Anti-man-lover+Bill%2C+Threatens+To+Cut+Off+Aid&oq=Obama+Fights+Nigerian+Anti-man-lover+Bill%2C+Threatens+To+Cut+Off+Aid&aq=f&aqi=d1d-o1&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=34648l34648l0l35299l1l1l0l0l0l0l94l94l1l1l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&gl=us&source=hp&q=Obama+Fights+Nigerian+Anti-man-lover+Bill%2C+Threatens+To+Cut+Off+Aid&pbx=1&oq=Obama+Fights+Nigerian+Anti-man-lover+Bill%2C+Threatens+To+Cut+Off+Aid&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l2l1978l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=9cddc4007ee6b2d5&biw=1366&bih=704]Link[/url] EDIT. I know what happened. Nairaland's auto correct change the words "Anti-Gäy " to "anti-manlover", which changed the URL link and caused an error. |
Case #1 Foreign aid is USA's money, not ours, and it is represented as a GIFT!!! The same goes for other countries who give aid, they are not doing it because they have to, they are doing it because they want to. Also what stops our own government from providing the necessary aid? Since when was it the USA responsibility to take care of Nigerians, Like I said, its a gift. Case #2 Why are you complain about a GIFT. Since foreign aid is a GIFT they have the right to say who gets it or not. Case #3 Why in the blue hell will the USA and other countries give money to someone that violates what they stand for, Human rights and freedom. The anti-man-lover bill is a crime against humanity and a crime against freedom. case #4 I think many Nigerians including some of those in power don't know what government is or what government is suppose to do, hence why we have this problem. Case #5 Nigerian, "when government illegally criminalize others its okay but when the government illegally criminalize me, then you consider it a violation of your human rights". Violation of human rights is a violation of human rights simple. there are no excuses and NOTHING CAN JUSTIFY A VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS. the main reason why many are for this bill or don't care is because it doesn't affect them. |
I don't think many Nigerians understand what is going on and their just talking based on emotion and sentiments. Let me give you an analogy that is similar to the Anti-Hom0sexual bill. Its like if the government comes up with a bill to ban and jail fat people. Why? Because the bible considers obesity and gluttony a sin/ Also the majority of the public thinks fat people are disgusting, a shame to society, don't represent their values and morals and since their a minority, well, majority rules. So should fat people also be banned because the bible says its a sin? because the majority of the public dislikes it? because they are a minority? NO, Its not right, you can not ban/jail someone for who they are or what they do, Its their life and not your. |
Why do i get the impression that many here are just looking to go to college to get a piece of paper called a degree. The reason you go to college is to get an education, to get the skill and knowledge required in your field of work.Currently you'll have a hard time getting a job if you have a degree from a nigerian university. why? Because the quality of the education is not on par with global competitors. Yes you maybe paying N25,000 but what are you getting? Many of these universities don't have the facilities to educate their students. How can say you want to be a surgeon but the university you went to didn't have the funds to buy and teach you the equipments used in surgery.Yes you graduated with a surgery degree but do you really know what your doing? And before we start talking about state colleges abroad, we should know this. the reason why state colleges are cheap compared to their private counterparts is because state colleges are heavily subsidies by tax payers which leads to low tuition cost. So the final cost of the education and the cost to run the college is the same for both private and public schools. We constantly complain that Nigerian universities are a joke, that their buildings are crumbling, their equipment is out of date, their staff is unpaid etc due to lack of funds. Now we have someone that is trying to fix the problem by raising fees and we are still complaining. How will the buildings get fix? how will you be able to get the equipment you deserve? how can you get paid qualified professors to teach you? somebody has to pay for it. |
You get what you pay for, Nothing is free in life. If you want better quality in education and better facilities you got to pay for it, no questions asked. It cost the same to build a road in the uk as it does in nigeria and It about the same to run a university in the USA as it should be in nigeria. Just because you are in nigeria doesn't mean it should be cheaper. But I guess the real question here is, who should pay for the increase in fees? Should lagos state taxes pay for some of those fees as financial aid or should the students bare it all. etc what ever the case maybe someone has to pay for you to get better facilities and a better education. I cant even think of how you can run a university on such a low tuition. |
The budget is really not that large, only about $1 billion usd. I really cant think of what a STATE can do with such a little budget with about 50% [$500,000] going to recurrent expenditures. And the sad part is that this is considered a high budget in Nigeria, while Local governments in other countries have a higher Budgets than states in Nigeria [link]. The Administrative system in Nigeria is truly messed up and needs to change. Like I said and will continue to say we don't need 36 states doing the job 10 states can do and we don't need 774 LGA doing the job 200 can do. Choking up budgets with pointless recurrent expenditures. |
There is an audio button in green on the right side of the page. if you click the link you can listen to town hall meeting. Its the big play button on top of the first picture |
Relax101:Source was from an audio recording of a town hall meeting source |
Donald Duke is one of the only political leaders that has a real resume. I still cant believe he didn't become president nor get any federal positions. |
The Enugu monorail is still in its planning phase and in no way under construction. Even if it was under construction how does the picture posted look like a monorail? This is a federal project and is either the rehabilitation of the eastern rail corridor or the construction of the new east-west rail line. |
Wallie:Just like the other automotive plants in Nigeria Innoson does not manufacture their vehicles rather they assemble them by getting their part from abroad. Which may have lead LGS to buy buses directly from abroad instead of consulting a middle man. BTW i don't think innoson has the capability to mass produce their products like building 10,000 buses to meet what the LGS has approved. link |
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. I wish i were true though. Could you refer me to any link/document to buttress your point?[/quote]