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@Muslim

Plz ignore every off topic posts frm non believers.

@Post,
I pray to be among the first that will see their Lord (Allah) on that day by his mercy

why do you pray to be the first to see our own lord??lol
you cant keep on planting yam and expect to harvest potatoes u know

wheres the picture now so we can judge for ourselves lol

Abu Zola:
show me one verse that Prophet muhammad ccpied

dont even go down that route,remember you r still yet to adequately adress the questions earlier posed to you last year
@uplawal
same for u as well,you are yet to justify the stance of your mohammad on the treatment of women in the quran

uplawal:
@Godson,hmmmm,honestly u reason like a retard,what has being a soldier for Allah got to do with u,and my status in the uk,your heaert beats cos youre illegal immigrant init?just shut up and go and study your semi adultrated book(bible)

do you want to see my nigerian pictures just a couple of months ago??lol
im going again in a couple of months,will avail u pictures of me in church if u want lol
well the connection between your status and being a soldier of islam means you can easily go to yemen and one of the madrasas where u will be indoctrinated and then a bomb strapped to you,

i have been studying my bible have you been studying yopur quran?lol lol soldier for allah ko solider for mohammad ni lol

olabowale:
Allah Tabaraka wa Ta'ala did not mention any sect, hyphenated muslim. Muhammad (AS) the master among mankind did not divide the muslim into any of those, eithrr.

Sunni is a movement observing the Sunnah and Hadith of the Messenger (AS). Wahabbi, is a Sunni group, based on the exegesis of Shaikh AbdulWahab (ra). I saw one of his books, and at introduction, I stopped because I did not see the use. Quran and authentic Sunnah/Hadith are the "ROPE" of mankind to Allah. The prophet is the only conduit to Allah. Muhammad is the only one who could not be questioned among the muslims; "imaam" Hanifah (ra) who is from an earlier generation, many I might add before Iman AbdulWahhab, stated it, based on many verses of the Quran where Allah says that no one among mankind must question Muhammad, if he/she is a believer.

Umar ibn Khattab (RA) very senior to Imam AbdulWahhab was questioned, debated, etc by those who were in his generation (RA, ra). So AbdulWahhab was not the answer to all the questions or issues of Islam. If I disagree with him, I will not necessarily go to hellfire, unlike if I do with my beloved Messenger, leader of mankind (AS). Tis is the reason that those who demeaned him shall go directly to hellfire, barring none!

if you dont know the reason,then own up that you dont,dont come here and start quoting some hadiths.!!
@poster
before i put my own views foward it is important to note that on one hand,the issue of who the rightful sucessor should be in the islamic world is one important reason why there is deep divisions but i wont go into that but i will gladly expound on it if you open another thread,however on this topic
the reason is because sheik al wahhabi who actually formed the wahhabi movement believes that the shia and other islamic sects indulge in what he considered "un-islamic" and un holy practises, some of the practises which he frowned at were the tomb worship of mohammad and other saints,bowing down to images e.t.c
as far as the founder of the wahhabi islamic sect was concerned,taqlid( which translates as the blind imitation of early scholars and their edicts) is to be rejected with only the quran and the sunna as the only legal basis for a muslim meaning hadiths and other sources are null and void.

unlike other sects the wahhabis call for independent reasoning and education amongst the muslims,these two points especially the first is why they totally disagree with other islamic sects who they see as still worshipping idols and bowing down and worshipping dead people

Traugott:
@woye77: Thanks for inviting me here

If U Fancied A Lady In your Church, Must U Inform D Pastor Before Approaching Her?

The summary of my opinion on this matter is:

The only reason you should inform the pastor is if the pastor is the lady herself

Special case I: if he is the lady's father, tell him BUT only after telling the lady herself

Special case II: in case the pastor is also a suitor to the lady, DON'T tell him under any circumstances or else you will be shocked how things will turn out

But really, jokes apart, it is not the pastor's business until you have spoken to the woman first of all. After speaking to the woman and hearing her out, it is also wrong to allow the pastor to mount pressure on the woman. He won't be with you in the house when you finally settle down.

the reason why it is expedient upon us to inform the pastor has both spiritual and physical reasons first of all the pastor and his wife are in the best position to know their flock,they know who is pretending who is hardworking,who is born again trully and who is pretending e.t.c
on the flip side some men go round lieing to the ladies in the church and then running off an example that happened in my church here in the uk a supposed born again christian lied to a woman that he ll marry her,she didnt inform the pastor and the guy had sex with her,she aborted for him and even borrowed 2000 pounds from her and ran off.
even though the woman was not a member of the parish,and the man had lied that he was a member of our church it was our pastor that finally found the guy in another parish and settled the whole thing.

on the spiritual side a pastor will go to GOD in prayers concerning the union in conjuction with his wife and the other supporters of the five fold ministry deacon,evangelist,apostle and prophet to pray for that union and seek the counsel oF GOD

[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]1. Since you like recommending me to go read, perhaps you should re-read my first post. I never said the pastor has no role, I said his role has been distorted.[/quote]well the point of the thread itself is if the pastor is competent in a supervisory role when it concerns relationship between two of his flocks,so its either u disagree with the assertion or agree finish enough of all this rigmarole pls

[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]2. Now you've changed your story. You first said the pastor was the head of the church, now you say he has a "role" - which was what I first said all along. Now please supply the relevant scriptures that say the "pastor is the head of the church". Gracias.[/quote]where exactly did i change my story ??i said and have consistently maintained that the pastor of a given church is the head of that church or the sheperd leading that church he can also be likened to the spiritual father of that church apostle paul called timothy his spiritual son in colossians, which brings back my point will you now get married without consulting the father of your bride
i ll show you the relevant scriptures as soon as you simply answer if the pastor is the sheperd/spiritual father of his own church or parish or not with the reasons why thanking you in advance
[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]

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Don't run in circles. I have not insinuated anywhere the pastor doesn't have a role.[/quote]run in circles? i have maintained the same point which is evident all through my postings,so why dont u espouse the role of the pastor in a church he is supposed to be sheperding then seeing as he is not heading that particular church?
[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]Nope. But they certainly DO NOT need a pastor to pray for them. The bible is very clear Jesus Christ only is the mediator between man and God - not the pastor.[/quote]your answer, who are the elders of the church the five fold ministry
14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.(james 5;14 niv version of the bible)
[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]Nope again. I have consistently maintained the role of the pastor has been abused and elevated to a status the bible doesn't give it. Stop picking bones of contention where I have raised none .[/quote]in order to get some clarity cause your points are starting to befuddle me,what in your own opinion are the roles of the pastor?
[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]You're not saying much. Pastors, apostles, deacons etc all have their roles, nobody is contesting that here - please just show me the scripture of the pastor's headship, shikena.[/quote]i have addressed this particular question earlier,once you answer the questions i posed i will avail you of the relevant passages, however the bible passages of the five fold ministry which i posted should have enlightened you on the role they are supposed to play,including a specific mention of the pastor unless you are now saying the evangelist or the deacon will be heading the church while the pastor will be an usher,then i will start to understand your own brand of christianity,which is why i have consistently asked you to catalogue the role of a pastor
[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5504084#msg5504084 date=1266004226]Unecessary digressions. Did Abraham consult his local pastor first? are we now living and doing things according to how the ancients did it? Anyways this is offtopic and I won't address it should you refer to it again.[/quote]no he didnt but he delegated a trusted servant,who acted as a defacto elder to seek out a GODLY wife for his son what role was the trusted servant playing at that point in time

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Please just show me the scripture where the "pastor is the head of the church" - that is the significant issue I picked with your post - I'm unwilling to go down these diversionary roads that deflect from the issue. Just show us the scripture. Thanks.

And I'm willing to bet $1000 bucks and my ride, that you didn't know the word "pastor" appears only once in the entire New Testament. Once. and only a few times in the OT.
[quote][/quote]well im sorry if im not ready to play hoots with you,why dont you come back to base by simply telling me or cataloging the role of a pastor in your opinion,then we will start from there.
second what order of heirachy will you arrange the five fold ministry after you have done this then i will be obliged to address your question because it seems to me that you just come up with a random question and expect me to go running and giving you passages of the bible while you r relaxing n waiting for your secretary to come back.
im waiting for your explanation so that you can fully commit yourself to a stance,like i have done then i will adress your questions

Owu gal:
Ice- Angel,

Be a little more considerate when you give people advice. A wedding dress does not the happiest day of your life make. She will have another happiest day, the day she has her first child. and she will probably be wearing a blood stained hospital gown if not just a tattered night gown, to meet someone just coming to this earth. Ice-angel are you married? do you have kids? I went to a lady's wedding sometime ago, Her dress was a Vera Wang that means nothing less than 5,000 dollars. she said she invited 500 people. at the reception there were less than 50 people there and so many empty seats and tables. Do you think if she knew, she wouldnt have worn a borrowed dress just to have people celebrate with her.

Dont give people quixotic advice like that. . there is a reason America is in its worst recession since the great depression,, people spent more money than they had/could afford. you dont want to spend so much money on a wedding dress and you and your husband begin to fight over money during your honeymoon.

this is by far the best comment so far, GOD bless you and i wish nigerian women have this mindset,i have told my gf that i am either buying the gown i feel is reasonably priced,or she can go pay for the vera wang and whatever out of her own pocket.
the funny thing is that an ugly girl will not look more beautiful with a 500 pounds wedding gown so i wonder what the whole fuss is about,alsdo i think most of the girls mouthing off here are not married hence still living in the make believe world of marrying tall dark handsome and rish who ll give them a fairy tale jordan and peter andre styl;e wedding

@arte
please read through this and explain what it means to me since you r soo knowleadgeable lol

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

(ephesians chapter 4)

[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5502558#msg5502558 date=1265990259]Christ is the head of the church NOT the pastor.
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife even as[b] Christ is the head of the church[/b], his body, and is himself its Savior.

Col 1:18
And he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.[/quote]no one including the poster has argued with you that christ is not the head of the church,however that does not dismiss the fact that the pastor has a role to play in the ministry of christ which is running the church/body of believers on behalf of the supreme head which is christ yes or no?
if you have answered no then i will be interested in knowing what order of haierachy you are following concerning jesus christ and the five fold ministry e.t.c

[quote author=Arté link=topic=397372.msg5502558#msg5502558 date=1265990259]Nope. I pray myself, or ask any of my christian friends or family to pray along with me. Since after, no one person pastor or not has more access to God than another.
I'll wait for you to post your relevant scriptures showing how and when Christ was demoted and the pastor became the head of the church. Cheers.[/quote]does the fact that you pray yourself,now nullify the job of a pastor in the church??


are all christians all exercising the same level of faith?

or maybe you are now telling us that every christian must have their own personal churches individually seeing as pastor are not important and dont play any role.

i asked you earlier on if you have come across the five fold ministry but you didnt reply, that in itself shows you that there are relevant religious leaders after christ who the lord has sent to minister and take care of his people.

go and read acts of the apostles and the letters of apostle paul including the functions of the disciples after jesus left, in genesis who did abraham .
in conclusion again go and read genesis 24,
why didnt abraham send his son isaac to go off and look for a wife amongst his people after his death??
after all according to your own reasoning,he was an adult and didnt need the guidance of anyone least of all a pastor,
we have been told that isaac prior to that time was a compliant and gentle child who obeyed his father when he wanted to sacrifice him,so he must have been a model child yet his father sought the guidance of a knowledgeable and matured servant to lead him to the right wife.

everybody s just espousing their own nebulous assertions without any proof.
@poster
im sure you hacve heard the legal term that he who asserts,but alos proof.
what you seem to be doing is reeling off some assertions,which you want us to accept as facts without backing it up with any credible source, any body can link languages up in a ny way shape or form,that is not enough reason,i cant speak hausa but i know albasa in hausa and yoruba mean the same thing,does that now mean that queen amina flew from the sky and sent her first born son to ile ife
see how funny your assertions sound?

is there any meaning to this,or you r speaking in some code to your muslim bro n sisters?

Abu Zola:
There is no confussion , it is evil people like u are the confussion

no sir,i think you should look inwards, shia sunni e.t.c
[quote author=t.truth link=topic=153934.msg5494530#msg5494530 date=1265895434]Islam is full of confusion and serious hatred. They can blow themselves up for all we care. The lesser muslims we have in Nigeria, the better Nigeria will be.
They are the ones who have destroyed Nigeria to point it is today.[/quote]dont even worry your head,most of them in nigeria especially south are cowards dont pay any heed to the mouthing off,they cant do anything

uplawal:
@getthochk, why is it your problem?u wait when the time comes maybe they wont blow off your brainless head,as to your snowed car,Abuzola would be the last to do that if u know Abuzola for real,u live in USA,while Abuzola go to USA for fun anytime he feels like



Keep deluding yourself

kini big deal

yorubas with mouth, looooool

have you heard the yoruba saying before?
ma jo lo mon wo eyin e?
thank god YOU R IN THE UK,AND I PRESUME YOU ARE NOT UNDER ANY IMMIGRATION CONTROLLS,INSTEAD OF SABRE RATTLING ON HERE,WHY DONT YOU ENROLL IN THE YEMENI SCHOOL?
mutallab didnt go round mouthing off,he quietly did what he had to do,people like you and abuzola are noise makers who cannot wage war on a mosquito talk less of a rat

@uplawal
your comments about being a mrtyr dont suprise me one bit,this is the way new converts to islam like you mouth off,untill they see the reality of their religion after many years,are you not the same person that cannot defend islamic ideologies espoused in your quran
and you r opening your mouths about jihad, dont make me laugh abeg

even though your comments have shown your much darker and violent tendencies,i hope you realise jihad comprises both the physical and engaging supposed unbelievers in debates, even sheik al wahhab the originator of the wahhabi movement said as much that he appreciates a muslim converted through informed and intellectual discussions than through force or the sword.
go and do some proper reading and stop exhibiting ignorance

well,i dont see what the sabre rattling is for,has the picture depicted a lie4 or something that is false??
if yes then prove to the poster and im sure he/she will gladly remove it,but if his caricature or cartoon is depicting a real life scenario,then i dont see what the problem is should a yoruba man be offended if he sees a cartoon of him eating amala or should an ibo man be offended if he sees a cartoon of him sitting in front of a spare parts shop

@poster
go and read isaiah 45;7

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
(king james version courtesy of bible gateway.com)

as for adam and eve eating of the fruit,well one thing which GOD gave us full exercise of without restrictions was "free will" that is why even though a still silent voice of the holy spirit will always caution us when we are about to commit sin,he does not physically stop us

im at work,but i promise to post a bible verse re iterating the importance of the head of the church,

ill pose a question back at you,when you need someone to pray for you,do you wait for jesus christ to come down from heaven

in concvlusion of my very short preamble,have you come across the verse in acts of the apostle where apostle paul highlighted the importance of the five fold ministry?pls go and read this

@poster
im sorry but i dont think you have put a lot of though into this posting,in other words it seems a little bit pointless.
didnt you read it in the bible where apostle peter was shown a vision where several unclean animals came down from heaven and he was told to eat of it?
he refused and GOD told him never to call unclean all that he has made clean, serving GOD is not about the physical but the spiritual including your heart and mind. therefore if the lap dancers's motives were pure and genuine the lord will accept their gifts than that of a christian who gave out of negative motives,
go and check in the bible stephen was not born again but he was honoured because he gave generously towards the work of the gospel

of course you should inform the pastor,remember the pastor is the spiritual father and he/she will be in the best position to seek the face of GOD concerning the relationship.
will you marry a girl without informing her earthly father or acknowledging him?

[quote author=t.truth link=topic=382973.msg5501632#msg5501632 date=1265982622]If you like frown in chinese or in latin. What I am saying is that it is only Turkey that is in Haiti period. Not all Turkish are muslim anyway.[/quote]#
dont let him put you on the offensive,ask him what the symbol means and u ll see him and his people including their GODfather olabowale scuttle for cover

davidylan:
what is the diff between martyrdom and suicide?

that is the point,they hide under the cloak of being a martyr therefore i was seeking to highlight that difference they have used in confounding their followers and the general public

Abu Zola:
You are on hard drug, am sure

uplawal:
VERY SURE,he is

of course now,have nt you heard of that woman in nigeria "kolo for christ"??
@abuzola
when exactly are you strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up

my business with short trouser is the fact that,just like the rest of the guiding ideologies that make up islam,telling worshippers to wear short trousers without any sensible reason is at best sensless and ill thought

while praying for haiti is a noble and praiseworthy action,i just pray and really hope the cancer of islamic fundamentalism does not invade that poor country.
it is obvious that they are looking to exploit the poverty in african countries to brainwash them into being suicide bombers that s why i am a littlke sceptical of muslims i see raising funds for haiti and stuffs

@poster and muslims on here
plas dont fight over this,is it just dawning on you that your religion is full of confusions,,double speaks??
just dont start blowing each other up,cause we really dont need that in nigeria right now

was busy with my final research project,guess what the topic is based upon "islamic terrorism in africa"
how r u my muslim but soon to be christian sister

Abu Zola:
Godson- whats your business with muslim trouser. Get lost

typical, as usual rather than address the poster's questions islamic paper tigers come up with petty distractions, give one sensible reason why a grounup man should shorten his trousers simple!!

@abuzola
put your money where your mouth is!!!!

this is why african muslims especially you nigerian muslims are seen as inferior to other muslims, like a typical nigerian you can come on here to mouth off about martyrdom being the best thing,why dont you follow mutallab's e3xamkple and blow yourself up if you want to show us how true a muslim you are?
bet you ll come up with an excuse now lol lol

while islam is against suicide,it is not against martyrdom,

Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
this hadith in bold is the reason abuzola professed to love martyrdom,including suicide boimbers and terrorists,the difference is just that he is wayy too cowardly to blow himself up however he ll make do with being an internet paper tiger

@poster
almajiri is another name for muslim children lol

@poster
it is part and percel of their religion and written in the quran that women must be beaten

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

@post
just like most of their core religious ideologies,it doesn not make any iota of sense, what has wearing a short or long pair of pants have to do with serving your GOD??
in answer to your question poster,from my readings and research of the vindictive and ruthless nature of mohammad,including his arbitrary commands and actions,i think he was simply pissed off with some of the nobles of that time,and gave that proclamation to spite them,as you can see from subsequent re[lies to your questions even the muslims cannot com,e up with any sensible reply

i know this is an old topic but i cant help but wonder if all you muslims the world over dont worship the same moon??
seeing as theres only one moon,the least you could do in order to minimise the confusion in your religion is to worship one single moon