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@poster
im sure you will certainly see someone,but im not sure it will be my own lord and saviour jesus christ if you continue down this slippery and destructive path

@post
at least they r bold enough to highlight their inner thoughts and religious convictions to the whole world,rather than the wannabee islamic storm troopers on nairaland defending a religion that has not asked to be defended.
i however disagree with the poster about them being insane,they are simply good,proper and pious muslims and that is a prominent part of their trademark, alahu akbar

@olabowale
you didnt even ask me how all the people ypu left in nigeria are faring??

anyway,in reply to your comment either he performed miracles in medina or not,the fact still remains that if he really had all these powers like he claimed,then he should have been mysteriously killing hs enemies or conjurig food to feed his followers instead of using the sword as for his oter miracles,like i pointed out babalawos can do the very same thing he is doing so kini big deal
lastly,like i am always challenging you,why should i believe a quran which is full of contradictions,half truths e.t.c

tell me about it

ill just add some more contradictions for today as i have decided to update this thread everyday for maximum enjoyment lol

was the quran sent don from heaven all at once or in bits and pieces,in the following verses it was asserted that it was sent dwn at once,

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down (onzila) the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. God intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful. S. 2:185

another verse with thesame claims,

Ha-Mim. By the manifest Book (this Qur'an) that makes things clear, We sent it (this Qur'an) down (anzalnahu) on a blessed night [(i.e. night of Qadr, Surah No: 97) in the month of Ramadan, the 9th month of the Islamic calendar]. Verily, We are ever warning [mankind that Our Torment will reach those who disbelieve in Our Oneness of Lordship and in Our Oneness of worship]. Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments. Amran (i.e. a Command or this Qur'an or the Decree of every matter) from Us. Verily, We are ever sending (the Messengers), (As) a Mercy from your Lord. Verily! He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. The Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if you (but) have a faith with certainty. S. 44:1-7

and then the third qurani verse which also supports the two ,

Behold, We sent IT down (anzalnahu) on the Night of Power; And what shall teach thee what is the Night of Power? The Night of Power is better than a thousand months; in it the angels and the Spirit descend, by the leave of their Lord, upon every command. Peace it is, till the rising of dawn. S. 97:1-5

to be absolutely clear that i am not intentionally distorting the quran another verse says,

Lo! We revealed it, that is, the Qur’an, IN ITS ENTIRETY, [sending it down] from the Preserved Tablet to the heaven of this world, on the Night of Ordainment, that is, [the Night] of great eminence. q 97;1

however as it is customary with the quran a.k.a book of confusion other parts contradict the above,

We sent down (anzalnahu) the (Qur'an) in Truth, and in Truth has it descended (nazala): and We sent thee but to give Glad Tidings and to warn (sinners). (It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it (wa-nazzalnahu) by stages. S. 17:105-106

And those who disbelieve say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed (nuzzila) to him all at once?" Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. (It was revealed to the Prophet in 23 years.). S. 25:32

i wonder why he did not split the food when he got to medina but instead resort to armed robbery and brigandage,

if he had such powers,to split the moon,wonder why he was using a sword to split innocent trader's head open,surely that is a long and ardous way of going about it when you could simply comman them all to drop dead,unless he was deriving some macabre fun in beheading and slashing with swords,

even babalawos can summon rain or even make it stop

the last contradiction for today,however i have plenty more like i promised in the first page f this thread,

what exactly is the universal age for marriage in the quran?further contradictions,

in the quranic verse below, And try orphans (as regards their intelligence) until they reach the age of marriage; if then you find sound judgement in them, release their property to them, but consume it not wastefully, and hastily fearing that they should grow up, and whoever amongst guardians is rich, he should take no wages, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable (according to his work). And when you release their property to them, take witness in their presence; and Allah is All Sufficient in taking account. S. 4:6

the quran agrees there is a certain age of marriage,presumably an age where the girl has reachd puberty,which abulbanaat,olabowale and co will agre with me yes?

now let us see where islamic scholars have fixed an age, (Tafsir Al-Jalalayn)

Try, test, well the orphans, before reaching maturity with regard [the duties of] religion and [before] they can [legally] manage their own affairs, until they reach the age of marrying, that is, until they have become eligible for it through puberty or [legal] age, which, according to al-Shāfi‘ī, is the completion of fifteen years; then, if you perceive in them maturity, that is, right [judgement] in matters of religion and their property, deliver their property to them; consume it not, O guardians, wastefully, without due merit, and in haste, that is, hastening to expend it, fearing, lest they should grow up, and become mature, at which time you will be obliged to hand it over to them. If any man, who is a guardian, is rich, let him be abstinent, that is, let him abstain from the orphan’s property and refrain from consuming it; if he is poor, let him consume, of it, honourably, that is, in line with the wage for his work. And when you deliver to them, the orphans, their property, take witnesses over them, that they have received it and that you are absolved [of the obligation], so that if any dispute occurs, you are able to refer to a clear proof: this is a command [intended] for guidance. God suffices as a reckoner, as a guardian of His creatures’ deeds and as a reckoner of these [deeds] (the bā’ [in bi’Llāhi] is extra).

another great islamic scholar, Tafsir Ibn Kathir

(The pen does not record the deeds of three persons: the child until the age of puberty, the sleeping person until waking up, and the senile until sane.) Or, the age of fifteen is considered the age of adolescence. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "I was presented in front of the Prophet on the eve of the battle of Uhud, while I was fourteen years of age, and he did not allow me to take part in that battle. But I was presented in front of him on the eve of the battle of Al-Khandaq (The Trench) when I was fifteen years old, and he allowed me (to join that battle).'' `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz commented when this Hadith reached him, "This is the difference between a child and an adult.'' There is a difference of opinion over whether pubic hair is considered a sign of adulthood, and the correct opinion is that it is. The Sunnah supports this view, according to a Hadith collected by Imam Ahmad from `Atiyah Al-Qurazi who said, We were presented to the Prophet on the day of Qurizah, whoever had pubic hair was killed, whoever did not was left free to go, I was one of those who did not, so I was left free.'' The Four Sunan compilers also recorded similar to it. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan Sahih.'' Allah's statement,

from the assertions of these scholars,we can see here the age of puberty specifically at 15 yeares old,while the quran specifically places the age wfor marriage at "puberty"

again mohammad and the book of confusion contradicts themselves by marrying a 6 years old girl who is clearly not reached the age of puberty,

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

i also have hadiths proving aisha had not reached the age of puberty if anyone needs them

second contradiction, can angels take lives /kill or not?
The Quran, by way of rebuking the Christians and idolaters, claims that none of those individuals that they called upon and worshiped could intercede, create, give life, or cause to die,
"Is He then Who creates like him who does not create? Do you not then mind? … And those whom they call on besides Allah have not created anything while they are themselves created; Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised. S. 16:17, 20-21 Shakir"

"And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit, and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life. S. 25:3 Shakir"

the quran also specifically admonishes people from calling on angels, ,.
"And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?" S. 3:80 Pickthall

Cry unto those (saints and angels) whom ye assume (to be gods) beside Him, yet they have no power to rid you of misfortune nor to change. Those unto whom they cry seek the way of approach to their Lord, which of them shall be the nearest; they hope for His mercy and they fear His doom. Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned. S. 17:56-57 Pickthall

yet the quran turns around to ascribe the power of death to the same angels in a swift about face,

Verily, those whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging their own souls, the angels will say to them: ‘What were you after?’ They will say: ‘We were treated as weak in the land.’ The angels will say, ‘Was not ALLAH's earth spacious enough so that you could have emigrated therein?’ It is these whose abode shall be Hell, and an evil destination it is; 4:97

Those whom the angels CAUSE TO DIE while they are unjust to themselves. Then would they offer submission: We used not to do any evil. Aye! surely Allah knows what you did. … Those whom the angels CAUSE TO DIE in a good state, saying: Peace be on you: enter the garden for what you did. S. 16:28, 32

the same quran even further contradicts itself,by ascribing the certain owers of creation to the same angels,
'Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported: Evil one is he who is evil in the womb of his mother and the good one is he who takes lesson from the (fate of) others. The narrator came to a person from amongst the Companion of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) who was called Hudhaifa b. Usaid Ghifari and said: How can a person be an evil one without (committing an evil) deed? Thereupon the person said to him: You are surprised at this, whereas I have heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saving: When forty nights pass after the semen gets into the womb, Allah sends the angel and gives him the shape. Then he creates his sense of hearing, sense of sight, his skin, his flesh, his bones, and then says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And your Lord decides as He desires and the angel then puts down that also and then says: My Lord, what about his age? And your Lord decides as He likes it and the angel puts it down. Then he says: My Lord, what about his livelihood? And then the Lord decides as He likes and the angel writes it down, and then the angel gets out with his scroll of destiny in his hand and nothing is added to it and nothing is subtracted from it. (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6393)

hello abulbanaat and your fellow mujahideens,just got back from nigeria yesterday,and been snowed in with work,but like i promised earlier i will address some of the contradictions contained in your book of confusions aka quran,i am sure a lot of contradictions have been published already but i will just add mine as it wont be fair not addressing them,

before i begin,i will like to quickly point out that there are three types of contradictions in the quran which i have come across the first is

1.internal contradictions, i.e Verses contradicting each other or the laws

2.external contradictions-verses contradicting science/ history

3.verses contradicting earlier verses

due to space and time i will hinge my comments on only one of the three contradictions,namely the external contradictions
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the first contradiction,in several quranic verses mohammad asserts that he was the first muslim with some examples,
a, Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender [aslama] (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters(s6.14)

verily my Lord hath directed me into a right way, a true religion, the sect of Abraham the orthodox; and he was no idolater. Say, verily my prayers, and my worship, and my life, and my death are dedicated unto God, the Lord of all creatures: He hath no companion. This have I been commanded: I am the first Moslem (Wa 'Ana 'Awwalu Al-Muslimin). S. 6:161-163

this is contradicted by the same quran which refer to the presence of true believers both before and during Muhammad’s alleged "call" to prophethood The Quran asserts that Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., were all believers and many of them even messengers who lived a long time before Muhammad, you dont believe me??

Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."… And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37

another quranic verse which also contradicts mohammad's assertions,

When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. S. 3:52(even the disciples were muslims before mohammad)lol lol lol

And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! S. 22:78

now the pertinent question is this,
was adam the first muslim or mohammad?

were the disciples the first muslims before mohammad?

@abulbanaat
i am presently now going to the airport in the next 20 minutes or so to catch my flight to naija,if i get some time off what i am in nigeria for and i can use the internet i will log on and address your comments,however mark my words and i want you to insert this particular quote in your reply so that i wont have any chance of modifying it, i promise you that after answering the half truths and your poor attempt at explaining away the satanic verses,and the ones on jihad i will post nothing less than 20 contradictions and that is just for a start,i solemnly promise you that this thread will be an albatross to your islam and anyone contemplating a conversion to islam will think twice, please do not forget to insert this particular comment into your reply so that i wont be a ble to withdraw my challenge"nothing less than 20 contradictions in the quran for a start"

as soon as i get home by GOD'S grace and get some internet connection,i will acess my archives and then slowly decapitate islam just remember no fighting o thank GOD you dnt know my airline sef

muhsin:
Salam,

No any problem, abulbanaat. I understand your point. And may Allah, the Exalted, bless and reward you handsomely for the great job, amen.

so you are only praying for your co believer?i though unbelievers required more prayers

uplawal:
@godson,what are u feeling like

im sure ytou have heard the 2face song, i like it a lot when i was in the world"fir instance me i dey feel like a chosen generation,a rotal priesthood,a peculiar nation,the son of the most high,not a slave o like some people the son, btw do you want to send some money to nigeria so that i can help you,i will go through heathrow o

Nezan:
@uplawal, you wan make abuzola (or lawal) cut godson's head? you know say you and abuzola (or lawal) dey take style do romance-o.

nooo,uplawal has eyes for sheik olabowale's american son, but the good sheik has used style to sing lagbaja nothing for you,as the boy is not getting married anytime soon lol,im sure its uplawal's cursing everybody that turned the alhaji off

aaa'abulbannat

of course,im always scared of muslims especially when they are more than one,because violence and intimidation is encoded in their genetic dna from their allah,i have given you a rough outline of all the questions i will be asking in my last comment,so the 2 or so questions i have just asked is just bread as butter is coming to join it much later,i am going to obodo nigeria in 3 days time for a couple of days so in case i dont respond it is because of my schedule,but i have all my questions and contradictions written down with evidence,im sure sheik olabowale trusts me on that as i have sample him many times

@olabowale,uplawal
if you have dollars to send to the family,i am willing to help you deliver it so that i can even get a chance to evangelize and convert your families in nigeria to christianity before i come back
@abulbaanat
pls read my own mini rules concerning this debate we have just started,no offhand counter questions, let us answer questions directly without any ambiguous nebulous comments,with long winded quranic recitations this is so that it doesnt get to be like sheik number 1 olabiowale's thread

mohammad asserted that women were precious and needed to be treated right, pls alhaji olabowale can you kindly help me out with the verses im sure you dont mind as i cant be bothered, ill rather post the bad part lol

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them."

Bukhari (88:219) - "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."

mohammad even says that women constitute the bulk of hell's occupants,

The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you,

ok then sire,im waiting for him to nail mohammad's coffin,at least that will answer the questions i have been asking since which the likes of olabowale and co have not been a ble to answer, its not a competition as i am actually looking for a sensible explanation as well thank you all for your efforts in trying to educate me
as for saving the best for last,i dont know about that,but i still have many more though,

on gender inequality, the contradiction are women that precious like olabowale had kindly shown me with numerous quranic verses on his thread or are they no better than cattles and camel like the numerous examples i v got which i will post in due course,

on the worship of idols which mohammad started and you muslims are still indulging in till today

i will also join some pertinent questions which has been bothering me as well e.g what is wit the yearly bloodshed in mecca?
if i was going to renew my vows with GOD in a supposedly holy place,i dont expect to be trampled to death, i have noticed that one thing which leads to shedding of blood happens every year why is that if you ask me i think it is some occultic covenant connected to the idols and demons you guys knowingly or unknowingly worship and bow down to every year,

lastlysee ing as we have a whole thread to ventilate our concerns,i will also post some popular myths about islam which i want to be ventilated

once again,i am thanking you guys in advance for this thread but i will appeal to you olabowale,abulnaat and others let us answer questions directly,straight to the point and without long winded explanations, if you ask me if jesus was a paedophile,i dont need to quote bible verses to say an emphatic and earth resounding NO he was of the highest moral standards and rather than marry children loved them like a benevolent and lovely uncle,

olabowale:
@Godson2009: I am not answering for Abulbanaat, while he is away, could you therefore show me, where in the above, or anywhere in the Quran that "Allah" and since you are blaming Muhammad (AS), where is it that Muhammad said anyone should worship anything that is different from Allah?

In all my arguments with you I will want to read this, for my own edifice, while you and abulbanaat will carry on, as he returns.

dont even start that one with me abeg,you and i both know what mohammad meant by these verses especially the last verse so dont patronise me sire,you either rise up to the challenge you gys threw at my feet or foreever hold your peace, he asked me to state my contradictions in the quran which i picked out, i have not quoted anything out of the quran yet

the second contradiction i have discovered in islam is concerning that of jihad

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them and drive them out from whence they drove you out, for oppression is worse than killing. But fight them not at the sacred mosque unless they fight you there. But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 190-193]

here,mohammad tells his followers to only fight,when they are being fought against which is fair enough,in fact he even highlights the fact that his allah hates transgressors which is styill very good,however sometime later i am not sure if their allah changed his mind about the jews and christians or if he had something against them but in the verses below here is the direct contradiction to the one above,

in the same quran 8;12-13,

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."  verse 12

This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. verse 13

now i will like you o abulnaat to explain the rationale of the abrogation between a fair defensive course of jihad with the oppresive attack mode of jihad, going by the explanation of abrogation i guess he has given you something better i.e the medinan verses just quoted

some of the contradictions in the quran,

1.in the quran mohammad specifically enjoins his followers to desist from polytheism, Say: I am only a mortal like you. My Lord inspireth in me that your God is only One God. And whoever hopeth for the meeting with his Lord, let him do righteous work, and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord.” [Quran 18:110]

And (remember) when Luqman said unto his son, when he was son! Ascribe no partners unto Allah. Lo! to ascribe partners wrong” [Quran 31:13

amongst several other verses, however i the meccan verses he says,

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? verse 21

Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! verse 22

These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! verse 23

in these verses he was justifying the arabians worship of the three godess,

now the muslims explanation for this is that mohammad abrogated the three verses at the buttom with other verses like the ones at the top because it was a process of weaning them off sin and then strenghtening them before giving them holier edicts which he did mostly in the medinan version,

my question is this, based on this two sets of contradictions in the quran which mohammad had expunged and nullified by the way, let us assume their explanations for abrogations is in order, what iota of sense does it make for a religious leader who had enjoined his young fresh believers to burn their idols and follow him which they did amidst persections from friends and families to now turnround,and justify the acts of these same people his believers cut off from?

the second question is this, if mohammad was sure that this was only a simple harmless case of abrogation,why did he have these contentious verses nullified and expunged??surely what you are not ashamed off you will not hide

thaqnks for this insightful and lovely thread,however i am not at home and i am going for my church fellowship till late today,however i will compile the contradictions and then post it on here for you to chew on

abulbanaat:
You these Christians Sha, is it our Prophet that you call prophet Mo? You make me laugh. do you expect us to call Jesus 'Bros J?' Never we are no so that disrespectful of Prophets of God. May Allaah's Blessing be on them all.

dont mind him o, me i call him "so called prophet mohammad" at least i used the full title

abulbanaat:
godson, have you seen the message which I left for you in my thread 'Ask me, '

i have and as long winded as it was,i have addressed it

sheik number 1 olabowale doesnt joke with his own children,he even said as much when i asked him when his 26 yrs old will be getting married that the guy has better things to worry about,so uplawal all your gra gra is for nothing,lose hope!!
so if you think he will allow any old man to marry his teenage daughter,that is a big joke, im suprised that he does not see anything wrong in marrying other people's daughters when he is protecting his own son from getting married early, no wonder yoruba ppl said one only sends a slave some dirty errands not your own

Abuzola:
If it were 1,400 years ago then 'Yes'. Sir olabowale had answered you before. I don't blame u

so what about your elder brothers and uncles doping such in this day and age??
i laugh in shorthand

olabowale:
42:11: The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

From the bolded (Laysa Kamitlihi sheun; Surah Shuraa) we see that what the heart and or the eye and or the mind can imagine, to be He is definitely not He! So those who say that He is an idol of Quraish, or Makka, or Arabs, or god, moon god, etc or He does not exist or limited in Power are completely wrong. Allah is profoundly Unique in His Essence. is there any but He or is there none without He, Alone?

you are saying so, and a portion of your book of confusion is saying so,but i dont reslly know what to believe you see,
first he tells me that he has come to stop idolatory,i was happy about that and i accept him,second he turns around and supports the same ppl's goddess in quran 53 and i started getting confused,then he tells me to be friends with the jews we even prayed in the direction of jerusalem,shared many of their doctrines and even used a part of their torah and also the christian bible then one day he tells me to stop praying towards jerusalem,he tells me to stop speaking to my jewish and christian friend,not only that to kill them, im sorry but by this time i am totally confused

as for worshipping idols,well muslims are,as long as you are bowing down to an image that cannot talk,i even prefer to bow down to you at least you will give me 100 dollars than bowing down to a useless dirty concrete or whatever that is even afflicted.

rat6her than use my hard earned money to perform sacrifice with a ram,i will use that money to buy something nice for myself.
and i certainly will not check the moon and stars for when my fasting will start,when the internet is there, "google is my friend"

you didnt say anything about the yearly bloodshed in mecca,is it a form of sacrifice to the bloodthirsty mohammad sire?

olabowale:
He is a good boy and getting down with girld is not his priority at the moment. Am certain he will not refuse to speak the truth, just to score empty points.

oh isee so at 26 he doesnt deserve to hook up with girls?that is precisely my point about your mohammad,what he commanded you his followers to desist from and what he was doing, you are ok to marry an 18 yrs old girl,but your son is not allowed to freestyle with girls yet, i see but i am not suprised because double standards is the norm in islam

A man who talks about raising family can not be reported to have copied a bachelor, about relationship with wife and children. Yes? And it is normal for mankind to eat, so when a person talks about what humans do, can he be assumed that he copied another man? Lol I am shaking my head because the reasoning I see people applying is far out!
[quote][/quote]the point i am making with that analogy is simply that mohammad each time he tells his followers to desist from doing anything,he turns around and does the very same thing, that is not only hypocritical but deceitful

olabowale:
Good for you, lying does not count! None of Muhammad's close associates abandoned him, denied him, betrayed him!

And people like me who only dreamt about him, and believe in his messengership; I encourage people not to pay interest or receive any. Again, no woamn who is not my wife I sleep with, even though the body wishes it, but the soul and my heart will not go into it. Muhammad (AS) had the best of companons; Abu Bakr nicknamed as the truthful for believing Muhammad's words if they reported to him that thats what Muhammad said! I think that we could be doing tit for tat for eions, but I do not have to go there, because it is obvious that you are just not telling the truth!

Is it Peret, or James or Judas you will bring to the table? Please be serious because your joke is very stale.

so i guess we are both agreed then,mohammad was surrounded by bloodthirsty murderers who killed without compulsion but they did not abandon him.
now i ll ask you if you were having fun raping and killing and sharing booties stolen,will you leave such group?

jesus disciples left good jobs to be fishers of men,go and read the bible all the 12 disciples had proper nice jobs which they left,in fact peter hasd just caught enough fish through the help of jesus christ and he was planning what to do with the proceeds from the sale of the fish,and jesus told him to leave everything and follow him,he did not ell him to come with the money or like yoour mohammad go on a raiding spree,

where exactly am i not telling the truth, i have proof of saad who was yone of mohammad's leutenants and was known far and wide as a ruthless individual

olabowale:
When the miracle worker turns it to a pretty woman. I will make a nikah and say Audhubillahi minal sheitayni rajim. Bismillahir rRahmanir rRahiim. Thats all she wrote, man. I am unlike you, I have all the weapons to combat evil in Quran and Sunnah!

ok so will you equate a fig tree to a normal breathing human being then yes or no!!lol
i now know how to get you

olabowale:
Let me excite you for a moment; what bood did Judas Iscariot spilled except that the betrayal? If not spilling blood is the hallmark of goodness in Christianity, Judas passed in flying color, and his obedience to Jesus engrained him as one of the rock of that generation. No?

in other words jesus did not spill a single blood then,unlike mohammad judas iscariot committed suicide of his own free will,
if you called your fellow islamic millitants to kidnap me,and then you go outside and bang your head on the wall even though im not holding it against you,will it still be my fault if your head starts bleeding?

olabowale:
When you deny this, then know that you have said your human god does not know how to pick followers and also condemned, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon; all generals in wars! lol. Let me let you off on the table thingy, because thats a tying up ropes that you cant get out of. For sure.

well if mohammad's followers was a model way of picking followers then jesus christ had the best, mohammads followers were blood thirsty and ruthkess illers and armed robbers especially saad who was known for his utter ruthlessness

olabowale:
Let me laugh at you for a moment, because who ever copies you, might as well get involved in te Sango worship, ala protocol similarity. You have an intermediary, they have intermediary, too.

well ill rather close my eyes when praying,than leaving my beloved wife at the back not caring for her safety or well being,if anyone has similar practise with the sango worshippers,it is the muslims,

olabowale:
you both bow down to graven images which my bible expressly forbids.
you both wear white when you are in mecca and the sangos are doing their sacrifice.
you both kill goats and rams in sacrifice
you both worship the moon and the stars

so who is similar to the sango worshippers, lol
[quote author=olabowale link=topic=321215.msg4713909#msg4713909 date=1255297717]You must be thinking of the other guy, with deniers, betrayers and weaklings and soldiers who are ill prepared. We are talking about Lions; Hamzah, Farooq/Sheriff; Umar, Saffullah, Ali (RA to all of them). Women are like polished diamonds, in best of wrap and kept in the most secured vault! You understand, unlike the butt cheeks exposing, bad boys in the front are half out. Women in my Islam and your Christian are cared for like precious gem and foolls gold respectively!

pls do not distract me with something else,i said clearly that mohammad regards women as ordinary cattles or camels,if not,in a dangerous time and terrain during his days,he would not have the women in his camp be at the back,and the men at the front,if enemies laid an ambush wouldnt the first attack meet the women who were at the back??
this is to show you the regard he had for women

olabowale:
Thats a prayer that is weak and will not be accepted by Allah! Any way, its your mouth, your time and your energy; Well you these things for the heck of it anyhow, receiving nothing, as expected, except soaking in blood. man, I dont want it, no three gods for me. Lol. this is for you Ohsisi.

dont worry it will be out of your hands when the holy spirit arrested you, apostle paul said more than you did as for this ohsisis seems you are obssesed with him/her[/quote]

olabowale:
@Godson2009: « #469 on: Today at 09:02:16 PM » Its a shame that you draw no benefit from this, above. What a big shame when a heart is impure. But God is not to be blamed, but gods are!

i see which of them?the one you bow down to in kaaba,or the one you kill for lol

olabowale:
If I was interested in dry conversation, I will callsomebody else, or respond with a yes or no. But you aint the boss of me! No one on earth, and Boss is Allah Taala! I find you boring, but I have developed thick skin. So.

in short you are not ready to answer and you are dodging the bullet smart move

olabowale:
If I would insult you, i would say that you sound like a valley girl. But I would not say tat; maybe dumb blood is more appropriate here. While I ignore your silly antics, let me answer your question with a verse from the Quran, while I say yes, in the same way that Ayub (Job) whip his wife 100 lashes; Did she get hurt or cried or wept like those who wept/weep? Surah 38 verses 41/44 will explain this.Did Muhammad (AS) beat/caned/hit any of his partners? No!

simple question,is it in the quran to thrash your wife like a cattle if she is disobedient yes or no pls??lol

olabowale:
And make mention (O Muhammad) of Our bondman Job, when he cried unto his Lord (saying): Lo! the devil doth afflict me with distress and torment. (And it was said unto him): Strike the ground with thy foot. This (spring) is a cool bath and a refreshing drink. And We bestowed on him (again) his household and therewith the like thereof, a mercy from Us, and a memorial for men of understanding. And (it was said unto him): Take in thine hand a branch and smite therewith, and break not thine oath. Lo! We found him steadfast, how excellent a slave! Lo! he was ever turning in repentance (to his Lord). S. 38:41-44

same question as above pls, thanks sire

Abuzola:
I have not kill anybody nor will i ever kill anybody, inshaAllahu i will go to my grave and meet my Lord with clean hand. Am not an armed robber nor a criminal, i have a clean record of decency and young gentle man who is scared to hurt an insect wallayi in my schools and in my place of work. The fact that i vomitted the truth unlike some muslim who hide things about Islam fearing of condemnation and yet when it comes to who are the true muslim they beat their chest and say 'i am proudly a muslim', shame on you, if u are proud to be a muslim then why do you conceal the truth about Islam fearing condemnation.

I am proudly a muslim and I will never betray Allah and His Prophet. On the Day of Resurrection the truth shall prevail of every one of you

i am really happy for your life at the bolded,its a shame your spiritual father mohammad was the opposite of you o a real shame
i must remind you though that a gentle man can not be in islam o, have you seen gentleman in oshodi motor park before,or a gentleman in niger delta creeks lol
remember that it is not only about the greater jihad,but the lesser jihad which is your responsibility as a muslim,so we r not sure you wont have blood on your hands anytime o

they wont give you a straight answer,its not really their fault so dont hold it against them, it is the randy 52 yrs old paedo who is making it really difficult for them to defend him,

@abulbanaat
you are the first islamic comedian i have come across lol
the fact that you reply with long winded retorts point to the fact that you are struggling to defend and justify your fraudulent prophet and religion,
i remember those days in secondary school when i commited an offence and my dad called me to defend myself before i got caned,i will weave all sorts of stories for like an eternity and this is what you are doing.
i answered your question directly that if the enemies of mohammad did not take him up on the fact that he was a paedophile that does not justify his actions,
does the fact that mohammad killed innocent traders and also arranged for assasinations without eyebrows raised justify these actions as well?
remember that these days a lot of barbaric and evil things were condoned not because people accepted it ,but because they could not do much,

the fact that bin laden is still not captured several years later,does it mean that he is generally accepted??go figure!!

abulbanaat:
You don’t know that the Jews in Madinah were not the ones that invited the Prophet there. And you don’t know that the Prophet defeated them intellectually, that was why they resorted to conniving with the idolaters in Makkaah against the Prophet.

i know they invited him to medina to oversee the warring tribes because of his religious and military clout,which in fairness he did,however he spoilt it all by being devious and making sure that he ran the three main jewish tribes out of medina for no fault of theirs,and if you are talking of conivng,mohammad was the king of connivance which he did with outsiders to try and overthrow the meccan leadership,that was what drove him out of mecca in the first place

abulbanaat:
Still you blanketly said the Crusaders were not fighting a religious war. What a slap on an historical fact, O GODSON.

to illustrate my point,is osama bin laden fighting in your cause of islam??
are the boko haram fighting in the cause of islam?
i await your response oabulbanaat

Show me where God blamed Abraham and Solomon for their marital actions, if you cannot, then know it is not only the Prophet of Islam that you are slandering. So your crime is multi-faceted.

[/quote]what is the meaning of this?when evil stuffs happen,does GOD come down to tell the evil doers off?those that have done evil will at times recieve their rewards on earth then do so in heaven, do you know how old king solomon died?even you will not pray for the kind of end he had,is that not a type of judgement?
lets now discountenance king soolomon and co, remember solomon and christianity made it clear that we are to marry only one wife, mohammad make it known to you guys to marry as much as you can handle,which you are still doing today, any polygamous christian is not doing a biblical act,my dad is a christian and polygamous and i can tell you it is not the will of GOD definitely without any shadow of a doubt

So at last you partially agree that it was the antecedent of the Battle of Badr that you refer to as the case of the Prophet’s ‘robbery.’ I thought you said he was robbing some of the traders of Madinah.

yes i did say so,and both statements are fact,he started his raiding(razzia)expedition when he got to yathrib,i keep reffering to yathrib rather than medina to show you the former name it was known by before medina which culminated in the semblance of the very first jihad i.e the badr battle which gave him the confidence to conduct a full scale war against perceived unbelievers, tbecause of their victory,they gained the confidence to declare full jihad, go and do some reading pls!

You do not know that Abu Sufyan was crossing the territory of the Muslims that was why they wanted to seize the goods he was carrying. And don’t you know that even in the modern secular law, you are not allowed to carry goods across a country not yours just like that. Say the Cameroonian government carries its goods across Nigeria, the goods will not go.

i dont have time for stories,was mohammed raiding innocent travellers or not,simple!!dont justify or start talking from both sides of your mouth abeg

Still you cannot explain why Yinka Ayefele is still on the wheel chair and the mentor of your Pastor Adeboye, Obadare, in Akure is still blind, even with all the miracles around. Rather you still came with mentioning more of money-making centers that you called churches. And I can see that you are defending the Pentecostal churches, saying as if catholic Church was not the Church that gave Christianity its doctrines after years of wrangling over whether Jesus was God or not, among other issues. Seun, the owner of this Forum, must hear this O. I think he is a catholic.

if i recollect it is in the quran,that you cant question allah and his ways,so if you were a devout muslim as you profess to be,will you tell me to question my GOD??
rather than talk about ayefele and obadare who are just 2 out of tens of millions who have been receiving their healings, AGAIN i make bold on this forum to go and research on a man of GOD "john g lake"he did not just do miracles,signs and wonders,the medical world connected a scanning machine to his patients,even with cancerous cells and spokane in the united states was reputed to be one of the healthiest areas of america go and research it, now your turn point me in the direction of one islamic man of GOD who did same thing if your god was alive and not sleeping in some desert,

And see your folly, in the case of that Pastor at Apomu, I did not say the pastor was a catholic in fact he is one of the pastors of the Pentecostal Churches around. He only took the case to the Catholic Hospital after he had ‘prayed and prayed’ for safe delivery of his wife but alas the woman could not ‘push’. So they hid the information from the Church members because they knew it would affect their business – claims for miracles.

well for one let me inform you that no pastor has to hide the fact that his wife delivered in an hospital,because it is not against the word of GOD,or anywhere in the bible that your wife must not be delivered in the hospital,second you and i dont know the circumstances surrounding the pastor,i wont say more than that as i cant judge another man,and my bible tells me not to judge an annointed man of GOD

Lest I forget, can you bring out that story of the poet whom our Prophet killed. Bring it out for all to see, I cannot find it. Bring it out GODSON otherwise you receive another medal in your lying business.

THIS happened concerning the jewish tribe of bani nadir, and the name of the poet was kab ibn al ashraf who composed verses lamenting the defeat of the meccans,and satirizing mohammad,this enraged mohammad and he kab assasinated telling his henchmen who did the job that it would be ok to lie to gain the confidence of their victim in order to kill him, you can find the accounts in ibn ishaq 550-51 if you dont like that then step this wayyyyyy my favourite ahadith, bukhari 5;59-369 now smile if you are satisfied and tell everybody i am the most honest born again christian lol
dont worry i am here to lecture you on your religion, i studied your ahadiths and quran, and i have more proofs olabowale and co will tell you i debate with hard incontrovertible facts sire

What else? Yes the contradictions in the Qur’aan, let me guide you. Say in verse so-and-so of so-and-so chapter Allaah said so-and-so and in another He said the contrary, bring one if you can. I bet it you cannot see one, even if you search from the beginning of the Qur’aan to the last.

yes i can sire, again let me disgrace you,
in the quran53;19-23 meccan side he spoke in support of polytheists,and then turned round to enjoin you his folowers not to mix with polytheists and all that, i have a bowl of yoghurt ice cream in my hands as i am typing so i cant get the verse where mohammad tells you not to wbe like the polytheists

And I cannot understand one thing from you. Do you subscribe to those Christians that say Allaah is moon god? That He was one of the idols worshipped in Makkah? Do you? Please let me know, I have some questions for you.

what has this got to do with the fact of what mohammad did?dont distract me pls, i have directly answered your questions/challenges with proof now get ready to answer my yes or no questions i have been asking since

Once again go and read that post I sent to Kola Oloye, and open your heart.

And where are those Muslims that embraced Christianity, I mean the Shaykhs that we all know or on the least learners like me, I mean like mean. It is you that run away from us. I remember when I rediscovered Islam in Kaduna around 1996, on the street where I used to leave some Jehovah’s Witnesses (which I see as being better Christians, for they know the Bible are ready to accept some of the truths of the Qur’aan namely that Jesus is not God. Though they are also Kuffaar because they don’t recognize the Prophethood of Muhammad, among other things.)

there arnt much christians who accept islam,simply for the practical aspects talk les of the spiritual, this is evidenced by the many churches springing up all over nigeria,for each mosque in the whole of nigeria even west africa,you will get 2 standard sized churchs for each mega mosque,you will get one mighty sized redemption camp which can hold more than 1 million ppl, im sure you heard the last holy ghost conference i nigeria just some months ago had more than 1 million people in attendance, pls apart from the occultic gathering clled hajj where blood is always shed where else can an islamic gathering get that number of adherents, by the way i believe earnestly that there is something demonic about hajj, if not why is it that people must die every single year,its either they are trampled upon or something of that nature, you dont hear ppl dying i jerusalem pilgrimage my supposition is that maybe it is the kaba idols untill you muslims started bowing down to the image as your own idol;
Their Kingdom Hall was just around where I stayed, every time they came out of their programmes they would swarm on our streets and our houses ‘preaching the gospel.’ We began to have encounters, then I was very good at Comparative Religion (I am no more because I don’t have time for it, I learn and preach Islam now that is why you will not see me quote a verse of the Bible here, but I know the stories in the Bible), it was not very long that these hot-gospellers (as Deedat used to call them) removed our own house from their points of call because they said ‘there is a boy there full of evil spirit.’

And I remember another pastor who visited our house then, he came from Ondo to Kaduna, to visit my uncle whom I was staying with. He derided my Islam when he found out my religion was Islam. That night of his visit, we spoke to the wee hours of the following day comparing Islâm with Christianity (then I was just back in the pristine Islam), he left our house disappointed and wounded (as you are here), he planned to stay for some days but abruptly left the following day lest he became a Muslim.
So you are the ones that run away from us. So the Muslims have known their religion now, you are exposed!

‘Afefe ti fe a ti furo edie.’ (Apology to elder Olabowale).

“Nay, We fling (send down) the truth (this Qur'ân) against the falsehood (disbelief), so it destroys it, and behold, it (falsehood) is vanished. And woe to you for that (lie) which you ascribe (to Us) (against Allâh).” [Q21: 18].

Any other thing?

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well while i really cant vouch for the veracity of your ittle tales by moonlight,if that pastor was sure of himself,then he would rather be trying to deliver you and then convert you, we christians are so secure in our religion that is why we dont care if you muslims shout yourselves hoarse pouring vitriol on us,you are the ones that will behead over anything said against your prophet,you will kill if anyone says anything about your mohammad,people have called jesus black,white green blue e.t.c we dont care because the believ is in our hearts

i wil advice you muslims not to be soooo insecure and paranoid,and love everyone including your enemies like we do

olabowale:
InshaAllah I will still be here much longer. Olayiwola will be a great grandfather while am stil strong enough to take care of myself. So leave my life alone with Allah, Whom all my trusts are with! Copying Muhammad (AS), I do not drink, smoke, and night crawl. And by Allah, in my business life, businesses executives throw women at me so that I can do business with them. And no single freebie have I ever extended my manhood to snatch off the rack; since 1992 or earlier! Aburo, if you are in my position, and if a man says he is in that position and walking away without wanting to eat some of the dishes, and they are varied; white, black, etc, I as a Nigerian male, knows that this man cant just be an ordinary follower of Jesus, as I am an ordinary follower of Muhammad (AS)!

lol at the bolded,typical african man response, why are you scared of death,are you not a devout enough muslim,or do you know the date you will leave this earth?
well you dont so i am asking you what willl happen if you dont live past your 70s after you have just given birth,who will take care of the younger children??
i am asking this to show you the deficiency in islam,
its not only those who drink,smoke and womanise that die in their seventies, so you are eevn following your prophet and contradicting yourself,i though you said you will marry again and again,so why are you shying away from freebies??your prophet didnt shy away,he even grabbed slaves

Since Muhammad says that the Ribah of Abbass ibn Abi Mutalib is under his foot, I took it as a direct instruction to me not to involve in Riba. But of course, I read the Ribah verses in Baqarah, Imran and Nisaa Surah.
I lost my father before I was well into my teenage years and by Allah, He made my life easy and I turn out to be a good man, law aboding and did not really suffer. He worked hard to leave a legacy and even now after 40+ years, his estate is left undivided because not many of us, including the women want anything from it. So your statement is kinda silly, since am a hard worker and independently wealthy. Alhamdulillah.

[/quote]and this is your justification for something as serious as that??
that because you were sucessful then that means ifin the event it happened your baby children will as well??
let me borrow uplawal's phrase"i laugh in shorthand


Neither abulbannat nor me, is a 100% authority of Islam. That answers the difference of opinion, a niamaAllah for the muslim ummah. He and I will not disagree in any verse in the Quran or any authentic ahadith, since what you said from Aisha (RA) the mother of believers, is an ahadith by definition. This only, I can use as my basis of disqualifying it.
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well it was from the mouth of aisha herself,secondly abulnaat must be a senior in islam to you,because he seems to be well informed as he doesnt argur every single issue i put forward,especially the ones he knows i am right about and he challenges the ones that he has a problem with, its only fair to compare you too as you have been comparing me,noetic e.t.c
i recall uplawal doing a table of sheick 1 to 6 pls i need her to show where sheik olabowale and abulnaat stand

olabowale:
Surah Najm is a Makkan Surah and there is no idol mentioned in it, except to ridicle the idolatry of the arabs! I have no idea of your possible assertions; I dont read minds, maybe you do, even Jesus could not tell anyone about the future; the time of the hour. When you accuse and cant prove the accusation, it becomes an empty rhetoric!

quran 53;19-23, "19, Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,vs20, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? vs 21, What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? vs22, Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! vs 23, These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!

now that i have posted the verses mohammad compromised his faith and islam by supporting the same people he sought to convert,please do not ask me this same question AGAIN, i hope your son olayiwola is there to witness btw happy birthday to him and hope he enjoyed today's church service in redeemed

olabowale:
Get born 2000 times. You will still remain the same person; a Kufar, in my eye. Anything I do in secret is secret. I dont broadcast it. What is wrong with you is not your behavior, but your belief! Your aqeedah is foundamentally wrong. You are no better than Olorisha of Ijebuland, or the agemo worshippers!

no sire i will only be born again oncce,however we are inviting you to join us at the top,theres enough room for you and olayiwola, please tell him my birthday present for him is isaiah 61 and deuteronomy 28 1-15

olabowale:
These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!

lol what did you expect him to say when the jews refused to recognise him, lol

olabowale:
Sheik Godson2009, present your raid and I want to read it! I know what will happen in the end; you will lose the argument and laugh with the usual tactis, without any evidence.

i will provide evidence after you answer this very simple and direct question which will be in upper case,
DID MOHAMMED START A RAIDING EXPEDITION AFTER HE GOT TO YATHRIB/MEDINA OR NOT?yes or no and i will gladly answerwith proof in my next comment!

olabowale:
Tried to or poisoned him? You are never telling the truth, or have you ever? Ohsisi, listen to your brother denying your favorite ahadith! And the Bible God says "vengeance is mine?" Yet Godson2009 is denying this war effort? Why god Jesus didnt take vengeance? This is another contradiction or really he is not God, if only you can tell us what he really is?

oh ok,is that the justification for mohammad's blood letting then??
thats why he had the poet assasinated,and also indirectly command his leutenant to murder the jews in cold blood?please read bukhari 4;52.280

olabowale:
26;221; Shall I inform you (O people!) upon whom the Shayatin (devils) descend?
26:222: They descend on every lying (one who tells lies), sinful person.
26:223: Who gives ear (to the devils and they pour what they may have heard of the unseen from the angels), and most of them are liars.
26:224: As for the poets, the erring follow them, (the poets, evil doers from them suffer the influences of the shayatan)
26:225: See you not that they speak about every subject (praising others right or wrong) in their poetry?
26:226: And that they say what they do not do.
26:227: Except those who believe (among the poets, in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, and remember Allah much, and reply back (in poetry) to the unjust poetry (which the pagan poets utter against the Muslims). And those who do wrong will come to know by what overturning they will be overturned

im sorry sire,but your efforts writing this gibberish is wasted on me,like i told you i dont appreciate it when you tell me not to steal and you turn around and do the same thing like mohammed was doing, im sure if you told olayiwola not to freestyle with american girls he ll just ignore you and continue getting down with girls

olabowale:
I recall that Goiat taunted little David, who was not even Barmitvah then. The oratory of Goliat was not less than poetry. How about Pharaoh who challeneged Moses all the way? Their exchange was not less than poetry and in my days we say it is Takahing and dabohing! But you realised that the two evil doers died in the hands of the believers; Musa (AS) and Daud (AS)! Do you expect less from the hand of a Prophet (AS), who is more like Musa, while Jesus of the Bible, was not like Musa? Aburo, you give me more ammunitions to respond to you, except that I dont have so much time to play with you, fully!

i have responded to this as well above,

olabowale:
If thats bravery, then I was braver when the police officer stopped me in Las Vegas, and I confronted him that my lawyer will be passing by any moment from now and Larry id just I have said! Bravery was when Muhammad injested the poison, called the woman, listened to her reason and left her alone!A leader true and true, allowing people to be as they see fit even when it is a peril to his health and an attempt on his life! And he did not complain, yet a human being, unlike the god who complained and blamed another God, after begging, crying, weeping and praying all night long! Muhammad (AS) was a leader of a nation too: the muslim nation. How about Jesus, was she a leader of Christian nation? Dont get get me started man. Ohsisi, where are you? Am waiting for you to take my offer, because the morning sickness should be over by now! Boy, the boy must be shaking you up to the core. I know, I have two of them and InshaAllah, many more to come. Amin.

you muslims are the only one who has the details of the events of a woman poisoning mohammad,whereas it is not recorded in any non islamic source,for me all the killings and murders mohammad did during his time was not taken for a non islamic text,but from ahadiths written by islamic scholars who are much more knowledgeable than you are, mohammad was a coward who ran away from mecca at the first hint of trouble when his sugar mummy died and his protector who was indulging hiom died that is not the mark of a true leader,

a mark of a true leader like mandela,ghandi e.t.c is staying put in the face of adversity and death, not running away to hide in a far off place and then fighting from afar,
ghandi copied jesus christ and it worked for him,it was a pity he wasnt a christian,because he espoused all christian virtures