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olabowale:
@Godson2009: « #463 on: Today at 03:27:03 PM » Every believing women in his time. before then Maryam the mother of Isa bin Maryam (AS), Asiiya as in Ashiawu in yorubaland, Sarah the wife of Ibrahim (AS), and Hajar the second wife of Ibrahim! Allah is the One Who elevated the wives of the Messenger (AS) in honoring place; Surah Azhab verse 32 says the wives are not like other women, which is to mean that what applies to them in sexuality, marriage and remarrying when they become widows; But before this, Ahhah says if the wives wanted to be off from the family of Muhammad (AS) they should just say so and it will be done and be over with: Verse 28 made it very clear that even as a poor man, it was going to be a display of Miracle from Allah to send them away with HANDSOME sending away parting gift:

28:O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Say to your wives: If you desire the life of this world, and its glitter, Then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free in a handsome manner (divorce).

32: O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.

reading your long winded comments are always so daunting and mentally tiring,especially as 80% of it either doesnt make sense or a repeat of the same thing,in answer to all that you have written above could you just answer yes or no.

did the quran say women must be caned if they are disobedient?yes or no,
i am sure you will agree with me,this answer does not need way too much explanations

olabowale:
@Godson2009: « #463 on: Today at 03:27:03 PM »
Let me ask you; where are the sexualities of women; front only, or back only, or side only? My answer ad I dont know about you is every were! Where is the sexuality of man relative to a woman, front only or back is very important? For me, and every sexual woman will tell yo, that it is the front, because there is no sexual ntercourse, without the man's front in play, whereas, it is everywhere that a woman turns as lon as she is in front of the man, there is husband and wife activities going on. Since you do not know this, the reason you are legislating for a woman to be bending in front of sexually able men or man, in the congregation, I am educating you of the things that you will experience in your bedroom, when your wife is dressing up and she bends in front of you, remember that I warn you to look away or else she is not going anywhere until you guys do the bee and bird thing! So for the Muslim not to get distracted by this beautiful being in Salah, a woman cant lead grown man. You need to start looking at the complete spectrum of things! Ohsisi, you need to educate your brothers and sisters about sex. I will collect the registration fees for the program. I take my own cut first and give you just 30%, because it is my idea to "Educate Rita!"

so why dont you ppl simply steal our own idea of closing your eyes when praying?it wont be the first time you are stealing our ideas and we dont mind
wouldnt that cause you from distraction,and save you the rigmarole and confusion of your women being at the back??lol
let me show you the siliness of it from another angle, remember these days mohammad and his followers mostly prayed in the open i.e deserts e.t.c with an ever present danger of ambush from enemies,dont you see how much emphasis he placed on the women in his camp leaving them at the back in the open?
if there was an ambush who will receive the first onslaught of arrows if not the ones at the back where normal ambush takes place??women were like objects to sleep with and satisfy a male sexual need and to do the household chores for mohammad,hence the reason he and his followers treated them like camels and horses

You are praying to abreil! What a shame. Gabreil cant arrest anyone, on his own. I am a believer in Allah, just like Jibril, hence, if he is sent to do harm on anyone, it will not be to a muslim, but a Kufar; other people who are not muslim! Am saying to you, emphatically, that your prayers in this regard will never be accepted!

[/quote]well i am really sorry for that,and i will keep praying for you for your redemption,you will be suprised when the holy ghost arrests you

A enegade is a person who does something that is iconoclastic, be it to correct wrong or destroy truth. What was Jesus in this respect as he turn over at a very early age the the money changer's tables? When Jesus killed the Figtree, was he a killer or not, or when he said e brought no peace but war, was he not a war-ready leader except that he had no firm supporters to lead? And please tell me what Muhamma (AS) stole, since he was known as alamin (the trustworthy) among the Makkan? If you cant, then know that you have no shame! Jesus destroyed pigs, whereas he could have saved them, since he was able to command the devils out of a person, he could have simply commaned them to hang out and be helpless, or just kill them (a better thing), as he had found way to kill a nature abiding figtree; he couldnt do it, because he could not do everything, true to his statement; by myself, I can do nothing! I did not ention Moses, so if the majority of the things that you list for satan is done by Jesus, please draw your own conclusion!
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you should be ashamed of yourself sire comparing turning over a couple of tables to a man who killed murdered innocent ppl in cold blood and stole from them.
i asked you before,will you equate yourself to a fig tree?can you marry a female fig tree as one of your wives??

honestly just look at the weak accusations you are bringing up to justify a mohammad who killed thousands of people in cold blood in the name of jihad.
he raped slave girls and slept with a 9 years old and stole from thousands justifying it with some random assertion of prosecution,juxtapose what you have written about jesus with all that mohammed di,

where did jesus christ spill a single blood?
he was the one one uplifting the table,ask yourself,why didnt the traders fight back,considering they were many and he was just one, doesnt that tell you that they knew they were in the wrong and so respected and acknowledged the young jeusus?

uplawal:
@godson,fool, even in the olympics,do they put women and men to do the same race,or do a woman do building job,or do a woman work in oil grill,u talk like a lunatic sometimes

my beautiful sister,your name calling and insultive antics on here must surely be a reflection of your real life personae, havnt you heard that a lady does not curse?
let me just clarify with some questions,
1.do you agree with the quran that women are less intelligent and are to be beaten like mules and cattles who are disobedient?

2.do you agree from your comments that you as a woman are less than the man?

remember i posted this same assertion that olabowale said was not true,before i posted the quranic verses which inferred to it

In Africa, some two million women have VVF or Vesico Vaginal Fistula, a condition caused by prolonged labour. According to Dr. Kees Waaldijk, a Dutch doctor, "these women are shunned even more than lepers."
Dr. Kees Waaldijk is a Dutch physician who has worked for the past two decades in northern Nigeria treating women who suffer from Vesico Vaginal Fistula or VVF. It is a condition caused by prolonged labour: the infant's skull compresses the soft tissues of the woman's vagina against her pelvic bones, thereby cutting off the blood supply. If the condition lasts for longer than three hours, the tissues will die and a hole will be created between the vagina and the bladder or the intestines. As a result, the woman will not be able to control her urine or feces. The baby often dies and so does the mother. But if she survives, she will constantly leak urine or feces.

The condition was prevalent in North America and Europe until the mid-20th century. In fact, there was a hospital in New York City specialized in treating fistula patients.

VVF is a condition that today affects between 1.5 to 2 million women across Africa. Of every thousand women who delivers a baby, 2 to 5 get a fistula in the process. With the continent’s high population growth rates, the number is increasing rapidly. It’s most common during the first pregnancy, and the social consequences are always devastating. The women are rejected by their husbands, families and fellow villagers and many flee to the city where they wind up in prostitution.

The colorful Dutch physician, who prefers to be known as Dr. Kees, has treated over 15,000 women and is also training dozens of African physicians to help them treat these women.

Dr. Kees still remembers the case of a 65-year-old woman who got a fistula when she was 15, so she had been leaking urine for 50 years. "It was not a difficult fistula," says Dr. Waaldijk, "and in 15 minutes I was able to heal her. She became very angry. She said, 'nobody told me it could be repaired, so I wasted 50 years of my life

littleb:
It is a proven fact that child marriage is common at medieval times and there was no objection to it. It was a norm in the society, marrying age is not divine, it only when someone is mature. Even, there is evidence that jesus mother gave birth at the age of 12, some differ it was 14 and so many girls after her. Aisha was reported married off at 9 while some report differ in her age, and it was obvious that there was no societal objection to the marriage. I have witness girls married off at the age of 13-14 in nigeria not because of thier belief in one religious tradition. Many century ago occurrences we are criticising, even we were to be amongst them we would experience the same, when life then was just only survival of the fittest. I wish you read the history of yoruba belief on 'Abiku' and justapose their belief with the advent of western medical aid. I think you may understand more.

why is it that you muslims always have to validate yourselves with one portion or the other of either the bible or christianity,we are talking of mohammad a 52 yrs old who married a 6 years old and you are attaching mary mother of jesus, she did not give birth at 12,if she did show me where in the bible,like i said are we in the medieval age,so what is the justification for the modern day child marriage??
besides hope you realise that a girl of 9 years old has no say or options on if she wants to marry a man or not,unless you are now telling me now that 9 yrs old islamic girls grow faster than other girls

littleb:
If medically reported that there should be age recommendation for girls due to unforeseen calamity, fine, I think we can apply wisdom in doing that. The girl reportedly died was not explicitly due to young age, I read it there was no adequate medical attention, it could have happen to 30yrs old woman. May almighty God guide us.
I wish you present what you understand by divorce three times. There are lot of traditions which people practice. Islam just came to put prescription and moderate it. Now tell me, how many times can you fight your friend before he seized to be your friend? as much as Allah hate divorce, which was affirmed that the His throne shaken whenever the issue of divorce came in between a couple, yet he permit it, and there is provision to unite together again, if later we recognise our mistakes and we can correct it. If this happened three times, there is no problem. then, why criticizing it, is it not prescription for us not be wayward and jeorpadise our wordly affairs.

thank GOD you agree with the fact that children shuld not be married off, well that is the crux of the matter,she died because of her age at childbirth sire, have you not heard of vvf which is like a vaginal tear that happens when young girls who are not ready for children are forced to give birth??
the girl's vagina has a parmanent tear and they cant pee normally i will post some pictures so you will have an idea
Read verse the verse as bolded below:

littleb:
Quran 4:34
YUSUF ALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

so even allah believes men have more power both intellectually and physically than women, wow

littleb:
There many things we can't question God. He placed Man higher in rank over woman on matrimonial life and He defined several rules on them both regarding each one's responsibilities. Do we accuse God why should women feel pain during pregnancy and delivery time?Out of this, some women in western world prefer to be operated during delivery. A man can beat her wife as the last resort. Such beating never meant to hurt her physically. It is agreed upon how it should be. I am a Muslim and I never beat my wife once, though we have some differences attimes.

yes but it is really baffling why your own god or allah will prescribe beatings for disobedient women,are they cattle or objects??

lol you are here spreading your delusions again, which tribe constitutes the majority of redeemed members if not the same yorubas,how r bout winners?depper life i think has a large mix of other tribes
what of the two c.a.c trem and other denominations latter rain,have you been to house on the rock which i attended for the first time in august this year and see how many services they conduct on a single sunday?
so if you still believe that yorubas as muslims or practising muslims then i guess they must have the highest population in nigeria

the igbos might not be but we are not talking of a tribe here but a religion hence we have igbos,a chunk of hausas,a large no of yorubas,a majority of south south e.t.c who are christians so your calculations are way off the mark

olabowale:
@Godson2009: « #454 on: October 08, 2009, 10:07 PM » Didnt I tell you to respect women? This is a what would Jesus do moment; aint it? Not all women are in the back, some are bold and remain in the front: Khadijah, Aisha, Fatimah, Hafsa, Zaynab, Maryam (RA)! My sisters Uplawal, Mukina and others are, too.

and isnt it dandy that most of those you mentioned happened to be his wife??
what happened to them after his death,didnt he decree that they must never marry and disinherit them in front indeed, how many women have led a mosque from the beginning of islam till today sunday 11 october 2009 at 2.56 pm uk time??

olabowale:
@Godson2009: « #454 on: October 08, 2009, 10:07 PM »
May Allah make your earthly struggle successful. Its your afterlife that am concern about!

guess that makes the two of us,because i still prayed for you and your gang today including uplawal that the holy spirit will arrest you and i know he will definitely so that you will join me in heaven

olabowale:
I will not know which entity is comparatively similar to Muhammad (AS) in the Christian camp; so I will leave your joke, alone, since you have three Gods, I will not know what to say to each so I will not even approach that too. Unfortunately for you, you did not show any verse or ahadith, even though you claim so!

well,if you mean an entity who led renegades to kill,steal and destroy,the only reference to that in the bible is satan, however in the new testament ithere is no disciple who was anything as wicked vindictive and blood thirsty as mohammed

olabowale:
You havent proven nothing (anything), so you are not telling the truth! Here is a proof; Act 4 Verse25/30 (Jesus is Servant of God), versus I am God! Which is correct? Thats how to show contradiction! Evidence, evidence man.

what do you call the contradictions in the mecca and mmedina parts of mohammad's command on muslim's relations with jews and christians?
how r bout my favourite the satanic verses?

olabowale:
I see what you are doing; talk without proofs when you need to provide evidences upon accusations! back it up man, or you are out in the pub, to wash down some pork cuts with a pint or two? Lol. Mo nba e sere ni o!

im sorry sire,but i will remind you again that i am born again,and i dont do alcohol or even go to pubs, you r the one that should confess what you have been doing in secret

olabowale:
The first war was that of Badr. The next was Huud! Now tell me the raid you are talking about. My father's namesake (RA) was killed in huud, and my namesake (RA) was captured in Badr when he was in jahaliah. Omo boy, you only talk for the sake of talking? Give me proofs, man!

you have brought another one,are these the only raids he led all through the time he arrived at medina?? battle is different from raids o, so dont confuse yourself

olabowale:
And I brought you a bigger reminder; the woman who poisoned him (AS), the people of makka, too. Who between the two of us is telling the truth? Ohsisi, help us in this case, since you have used the poison carrying Jewish woman as your vengeance process many times!

are you justifying his assasination of the poet by that of someone who tried to poison him??lol

olabowale:
Thats not a coward! Thats eadership who have strength. If you insist to say that, know that you have called all the leaders of USA, England, Israel, etc cowards! No? Lol.

are you comparing the leaders of usa and uk to mohammed??lol
jesus was brave because like you have often told us here,he had only 12 disciples and that did not stop him speaking his mind,or doing what he has to do

olabowale:
Nothing Muhammad (as) that I am ashamed about. This afternoon, I realise that I love him, always more than I love myself. And after me, I love my mom and all my family members amd that include my son Lai who is turning 26, this saturday, October 10! It is because of the marriages of Muhammad that allows me in my young 50s to marry a young thirthsomething. And if the time permits, I will still marry younger and am doing my exercises to be able to live up to the Billing. I often asked you and your gang if you know when Aisha was born relative to her family's Islam? If you cant tackle this simple question, dont even pretend to write it again as part of your empty arguments!

well then like they say birds of a feather, so im guessing you will imbibe all of mohammad's many vices to show you how selfish what you have said is,and how self centered mohammed must have been to put that in your quran, what happens to a child you have given birth to in your 60s or 70s after yopu are gone?
we all wish to live till our eighties and nineties,but what if you dont live more than seventy something leaving a child who is barely a teenager?guess you dont care how he survives or fends for himself or herself??
i dont want to know or bother my hhead about all that,all i know is that mohammad married a 6 years old and slep with her when she turned 9 years old why are you blantantly lieing about that?
even yur brother abulnaat admitted

Abuzola:
Lol

thank GOD you find it funny as well i told you slowly but surely the holy spirit will arrest you to the side of light leaving the others in darkness

and is that the situation in yemen in 2009
is their life expectancy in the northern naija 40 years as well

uplawal:
@GODSON,AM NOT SAYING ITS FINE THAT THE 12YRS OLD GIRL DIED,BUT IT COULD HAPPEN TO ADULT TOO,ITS NOT AS A RESULT COS SHES SMALL,SHES ALREADY MADE TO BE A WOMAN AND MUM TO BE RIGHT FROM THE DAY SHE START MENSES,IF IS GONNA KILL PEOPLE GOD WILL SHIFT IT TO 18YRS,

i am heaving a sight of relief,cause i was starting to be scared of you, however the fact that a girl has started her menses does not make her a woman, have you not seen children as in 6,7,8 years old with budding breasts?especially in the western world?
that does not mean they are ready for sex,giving birth e.t.c

uplawal:
AS TO your XTIAN MARRIAGE,EVEN IN THE QURAN GOD HATE DIVORSE,BUT THEIR ARE CONDITIONS TO DIVORCE your WIFE, NOT LIKE XTIANITY EVEN IF THEY EXPERIENCING HELL THEY WILL STILL STICK TO THE MARRIAGE,EVEN IF LIFE IS AT STAKE,THEY WILL STILL STICK THERE, ITS TOTAL BONDAGE,AND THATS WHAT XTIANITY HAS MADE YOU TO BE,

you can divorce a woman in the quran by saying it 3 times abi?
btw go and read abulnaab's comment on his thread,he has admitted that a man has the right to cane a woman with koboko according to the quran

olabowale:
@Godson2009: Whats embarrassng is your dishonesty! I asked you about Verse 28 of Acts 4, where Jesus is said to be a servant, you laughed. Dis I want to see 32 or a yes he is a servant or no he is not but God, so that I can turn loose the Acts people on you, head to head!

the point is not you asking a counter question, you are meant to answer my questions sire with a simple yes or no,, i will even allow a short explanation after whcih i will gladly answer yours

olabowale:
Se o mo wipe aiye lo bami? Ayinike lo mo, ayini pada ju yen lo. So when you are saying recycling, there was your modus operandi. Did Jesus kill anyone? He killed a tree. He drown pigs and he was ready to fight except that the Jews came as a huge mob, with overwhelming conventional advantage, many many people over that the 12 apostes, less Judas and the deniers, and the doubters on the sie of Jesus cant do nothing. Otherwise it would have been a bloodbath, or can you explain what Sword was being used for, instead of "bags"? Let me tell you, one sword in the hand of Zorro can kill a whole country! Lol.

so again you are comparing the killing of a fig tree to the killing of hundreds of thousands which mohammad did am i to beleive that you are the same in equality to a fig tree then?
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olabowale:
esus christ had a multitude that could protect him,by the time he died he had followers running into thousands who followed his ministry, when he fed the multitude with 2 loaves of bread and five fishes,did you think only ten ppl were there?
[quote author=olabowale link=topic=328844.msg4709030#msg4709030 date=1255216960]when the woman with the issue of bllod touched him did you think it was just 2 ppl?
when zacheus the tax collector couldnt get to him and climbed on a tree how many ppl did you think was present?
when the disabled broke the roof of the house jesus was in,and his friends lowered him into the room,did you think the door was free of people?
he allowed them to take him so the prophecies might be fullfilled, if you study that part f the bible,judas iscariot actually tought that jesus would disappear of miss from their midst like he had always done before, did you think that was their first time of trying tocatch him??
that was the reason why he went back to return the money , go and study the bible
[quote author=olabowale link=topic=328844.msg4709030#msg4709030 date=1255216960]My younger son will be 23 n November. Yet I could marry a mature 18 year old woman! Now that explains everything. A wife is a wife, is a wife!

no it doesnt!an 18 years old girl is totally free to marry a 90 yrs old if she so wants to,a 6 years old,9 yrs old has no choice and is still a babay, biology and nature does not lie,thats why the children and dying off when giving birth or having vaginal tear, dont worry i promise you that your son is attending christian fellowships in secret,he will tell you he is a christian soon and there is nothing you will do abut it

olabowale:
Frugality is not a good thing, unless it has a good purpose. Not being married at some adult age is a terrible thing. Neither fits a normal and moderate person. Ohsisi, I dey lie, since marriage is a good thing. Discuss this with your christian brethren, girl!

well jesus christ's frugality had a good and higher purpose, its a shame mohammad didnt follow the same example[/quote][/quote]

abulbanaat:
I could not still resist the urge to answer some of the questions GODSON had recently raised though I had promised to leave him with the Qur’aan . But when I re-read his points again I was amazed at his ignorance.

why dont you prove my ignorance for all to see,i asked you 4/5 simple and direct questions which required a simple yes or not,and you are going on and on with stories and litany of events and generic explanations lol

abulbanaat:
Muhsin, please pardon me this time. Yes I understand you analogy about Abu Taalib’s case, that the Prophet strove hard perhaps he would accept Islam but alas, such that Allaah revealed:

“Verily! You (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allâh guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided.” [ Q28: 56].

But we should also remember that people like Abu Sufyan, Khaalid bn Waleed, Amr bn al-Aas, etc. (may Allaah be pleased with them all) were enemies of the dear Prophet for about 25 years, they fought him hard, they nearly killed him at Uhud (but truth must prevail) yet most of them later accepted Islam.

[/quote]im sure you will agree with me that all this drivel does not require a response from me,im guessing you were talking to muhsin

abulbanaat:
In fact on the day Amr accepted Islam, he said: ‘O Messenger of Allah you were the most hateful personl to me before I entered Islam but now you are my most beloved.’

So GODSON and his friends here have only been fighting Islam just some few months back. And I want to believe those areas that seem to be grey to them are their last doubts, Insha Allaah, before they would become Muslims (if Allaah needs them, I sincerely pray so). So Muhsin let us give them the benefit of the doubt.

well,i have tried to see if there was something in islam which could have converted me,but alas i am sorry to say i have burrowed deep into your ahadiths and quran and could not find anything but half truths and contradictions,as for you and olabowale and the rest i have already prayed concerning you and prophecised and i know it is only a matter of time when the holy spirit will arrest you,like he arrested apostle paul,evangelist shitta,pastor hamzat,pastor shittu e.t.c
dont worry you will still testify to the goodness of our lord jesus,you wont be the first or thate last you wait,
[quote author=abulbanaat link=topic=328844.msg4708283#msg4708283 date=1255207323]And as he has partly not wanted me to give him long-winded answers (though his questions are long-winded too), I will make it snappy.

well,you cant blame me if olabowale decides to start his normal long winded narrative can you? which you have continues for that matter
YES OR NO ANSWERS!! is that so hard??

abulbanaat:
Well I won’t go back to some issues again viz. The marriage of Prophet to Aisha at six, and the eventual consummation at nine – it was as decreed by Allaah. Had it been wrong the enemies of the Prophet then, the Arabs would have capitalized on it, but they did not. They knew the Prophet had married a woman by the standard of their culture. I want you to think on the sociological aspect of that, GODSON. Do you know what the sociologist call cultural relativism.

irrespective of what name you give it,a paedophile is a paedophile!! did you consider for a moment that these enemies might not have keyed into or picked up on it?

abulbanaat:
If Islâm is full of gaping holes as you claim, O GODSON, it would have fizzled out. Those ‘holes’ that you refer to are meant to test people like you.

well,why dont you help me fill in the gaping hol;es then, because these explanations which are so hollow and devoid of any s intellectual backbone is getting tiresome

abulbanaat:
The satanic verses is based on a story not authentic in Islam. There are lot of stories in Islam but not all of them are authentic. The compilation of the hadith on the least was carefully done, and there are principles regarding acceptability or otherwise of reports. This aspect of Islamic knowledge has its experts, GODSON, you cannot understand. I do not know how to help you understand. I am sorry for you are far from it.

yea right,but its in the quran yes or no?lol because i have a beard you think i am one of these follow follow boko haram that ll believe anything you spew out as long as it is backed up by verses in the quran?lol
you can help me understand by answering YES OR NO!!!

abulbanaat:
Islam commands fighting the unbelievers. That has been in the Divine Law since Allaah created the heaven and the earth. Moses, Solomon, David, etc. killed the unbelievers of their time, they smote their necks and they cut their fingertips. Had Allaah not decreed that Jesus’ Prophethood would go as it went (just three years, may Allaah bestow peace on Jesus ), he would have smitten the necks of the unbelievers of his time.

i will not rise to the bait again, rather than countering questions you find difficult or uncomfortable to answer,admit and then you can ask me yours??
so you agree that mohammad and your allah commanded cold blooded murder,stealing from innocent traders,killing of innocent young boys e.t.c
the fact of the matter was that,jesus did not all through his ministry,even when he had a chance to so you have no basis, is it a must for you to always use jesus and christianity to justify your stance or counter jesus for any wrong mohammad did? lol

abulbanaat:
For the umpteenth time, Qur’ân does not contain contradictions as does you Bible. Please bring those contradictions. Eg. A verse here says ‘four things’ and the other says ‘eight’ please bring one, O GODSON.

a prime example is mohammad in the meccan part of the quran telling you his followers to tolerate other religions apart from polytheists and then turn around in the medina verses to enjoin you his followers to kill,maim and destroy the same people, second i will still bring up the satanic verses again,and then turning round to  castigate polytheists, i have posted enough contradictions so open a thread and lets go toe to toe on that,then i promise you i will post more than enough ahadiths

abulbanaat:
As for the knowledge of abrogation, you cannot understand, not because you do not possess the Holy Ghost (as you claim about the Bible), but because you do not have the knowledge to. Islam is a religion of knowledge. I am sorry GODSON.

lol so this is the new style??lol abrogation is another posh name for contradiction sire

abulbanaat:
Read what I said about Jihaad in that post, please read very carefully, O GODSON. May Allaah show you the light.

allah has shown me the ligh,but his own light is so dim and poor that i have decided to go where the shining bright light is i.e jesus christ

abulbanaat:
“1. Did your prophet indulge in a free for all sexual proclivity?”

No. He married women as did other Prophets like him. He did not even parallel Solomon.

solomon was one of several biblical kings,where in the new testament did any of jesus disciples or jesus himself amass wives indiscriminately like your prophet did?
also,you forgot to justify mohammad sleeping with the female slaves

abulbanaat:
“2.did he covet and eventually take his adopted son's wife?”

No. He was the one that ‘forced’ Zaynab to marry Zayd in the first place when the former did not want to. And when the marriage broke down, Allaah commanded him to marry Zaynab, to put an end to the taboo in the Arab culture that a man cannot marry the former wife of his adopted son; and to put an end to rights ancillary to child adoption in Islam. [Funnily you did not mention another allegation that the Prophet saw Zaynab’s unclothedness that was why he went ‘haywire’ about her. Don’t you subscribe to that opinion?]

in orther words,if you hooked your friend or family up with a girl,and they wernt happy together,your next action will be to step in and snatch the same girl from him right?spot on genius thinking talk less of an elderly man,who was also supposed to be a prophet who should normally have mediated and  solved the issues between them

abulbanaat:
“3.did he sleep with slave girls,to the extent that his wives were murmuring?”

Yes. Allaah made it permissible for him to sleep with his slave girls (Maryah and Rihaanah) (not slave girls of others) as Allaah made it permissible for Abraham to sleep with Hagar (Islam says Hagar was a slave girl of Ibrahim not of Sarah), and as He made it permissible for Solomon, and other Porphets.
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well your allah must be a love-vendor or his own moral conduct whereever he might be resident is in question,if he can order his servant to commit wholesale rape on his female slaves,both married and unmarried,by the way GOD never ordered abraham to marry hagar go and read the bible, he told abraham to leave every single thing and go to a land in which he will show him,hagar was a little girl by this time but abraham took her with him when he was leaving,by the time she was a young lady and looking attractive and all that he could not resist her, its like a couple in naija with an attractive housemaid, solomon made it permissible to himself not GOD,if you read the bible he consorted with unbelievers and married from idol worshipping nations,all those was not GOD

abulbanaat:
“4.did he assasinate a poet that satirized him and then later pay blood money?”

I like to see the evidence for this, I am hearing it for the first time. But make sure it is not a fabricated or weak report.

here is your proof o misdirected muslim man, Ibn Ishaq 550-51 also read bukhari 5;59 369,

abulbanaat:
“5.did he murder people in cold blood?”

Do you mean in war time? If yes people could be killed in cold blood in war time. What is known is that Islamic warfare (not as being portrayed by those Muslims you refer to as terrorists) has its rules. Non-combatants are not ordinarily killed, the elders, women, children, unless if guilt can be established against them, as it was done against the Jews of Banu Quraidha (and the likes). And that was even the Judaic Law in the latter case.

not in wartime only,in cold blood,i can provide proof if you want

abulbanaat:
“6.did he rob innocent traders?”

That would be bad if he did. But do you mean the antecedent to the Battle of Badr. He only wanted to revenge the Makkans seizure of the Muslims wealth back in Makkah. Remember the Muslims were not allowed to take any of their property when they were living Makkah. So when Abu Sufyan was passing around Madinah with the goods of the Makkans from Syria, so it was an ample time for the Muslims to have just some of their own properties back from the Makkans.

well,here is why i have concerns,the people he was robbng were not the meccans,but traders going to mecca for their own business,he didnt only rob and kill them without provocation,he robbed during the holy months and then conveniently got a revelation to justify himself,like he always does when he wants something really bad,besides the muslims had ample time to pack their stuffs as mohammad and his followers were unchallenged neither were they hounded out of macca untill mohammad planned with the ppl from yathrib to overthrow mecca so your assertion that they were not allowed to pack their stuffs was not correct,the only person that didnt have time to pack was mohammad and his assistant,but i am sure you will agree with me that even in this day and age,anywhere in the world where you committed the same offence mohammad committed"high treason"against a state is punishable by death,even nigeria

abulbanaat:
As for your claim that Christianity is the fastest going religion in the Nigeria whereby you cited examples of the attendance at the redemption camps, then I will say you have made the stupidest point so far. Do you count those who came into Christianity through the miracles which they never saw as serious Christians? When your comrades, here, have declared those redemption camps of your pastors as money-making centres, where the innocent ones are being covertly robbed of their wealth. And where are their miracles? Their Ayefele still can’t work, Obadare is still blind, Idahosa died after a cardiac arrest (they are still concealing that).

that shows your total ignorance of ll things christian,without being insultive as you muslims are wont to be when confronted with the truth, are muslims not converting in large numbers to christianity in nigeria?yes or no?(i know i love this yes or no thing lol)
irrespective of your views either the miracles are fake or not,your islamic children are still converting,redemption camp is still expanding,same as winners and other churches so there is nothing you can do about it really,go to the united states as well olabowale can bear me witness and ask him the size of oral roberts ministeries in tulsa oklahoma,keneth hagin creflo dolla e.t.c go to core islamic nations like indonesia malaysia e.t.c pentecostal christians arew making inroads and muslims are convertong, same as somalia anegypt,and other parts of north africa,just do a little research and you will realise to your anger and disbelief

abulbanaat:
I remember a pastor whose wife gave birth through a C.S. and he hid it from the members of his congregation (it was about seven years ago at Catholic Hospital, Apomu, Osun State).

well,good for them,but i am not catholic so thats not my conern i am a pentecostal christian same as whatever the wahhabi islamists get up to might not be your concenr or the shia sect if you are not part of them

abulbanaat:
And don’t you know that those who become Christians among the Muslims are doing so because of economic hardship prevalent in the country. Let Nigeria gets a good leadership and see what will become of Christianity.

awww, poor them lol why dont we wait till then, if the islamic population in nigeria has not dwindled to less than 1 million, lol lol
how r bout the united states of america?

abulbanaat:
how about europe??btw a nigerian man owns the largest church in ukraine a country where right wing extremists are really strong and the whites hate blacks like anything, uk pastor mathew who was a muslim before now owns the fastest growing black ethnic minority church in the uk


No serious Muslim, who knows the Qur’aan and the Sunnah, would become a Christian. At least I have not seen one. As for the likes you see, yes they are many. My mother was once one of them. She is late now, and Alhmadulillah she died a Muslimah; about for years before her death, she began to believe in Oneness of Allaah, and she began to pray the Muslim way. She searched foe miracles from one church to the others until it became clear to her that it is on Allaah one should depend. In fact she saw the joy of the reliance before she died. May Allaah forgive her of her shortcomings. How I wish she is alive today, and she will enjoy more, for we too are not riff-raff as our Christians neighbours have threatened we would be. In fact they are jealous of us today. Alihamdulillah ala ni’mati-hi.

well i have seen and i will give you prominent examples evangelist gboyega shitta was a core muslim,and they had their own mosque,in fact he was in line to become the imam of their family mosque before he converted to christianity,he prayed for 11 years for his family to convert which they have done now, i am sure you have heard of the popular shitta family in lagos island,that is his family go and find out.

pastor mathew ashimolowo was born a muslim and was a devout islamic man untill he realised and converted to islam.

[astor hamzat as his name implies was a muslim before he converted,he heads a redeemed church.
pastor obadimeji heads another redeemed in manchester,he was a muslim now a christian, how many more examples of devout serious  musoims who converted do you want?

now your turn,please point me in the direction of or mention prominent christians who have converted to islam??
i am sure you realise that the governor of gombe invited pasrtor kumuyi to dine with him and he is even building a church,all of them especially the outwardly muslim ones consult with pastor adeboye,hope you know that or am i lying??lol lol


And you still say, Christianity is the fastest religion in US. Are you not in the UK? Don’t they beg people to come to church on Sundays? Open your heart.

[/quote]i dont know what part of the uk you are talking about,but uplawal who is your sister in islam and lives in london will bear me witness that pentecostal churches are springing up everywhere in london,an average nigerian pentecostal church  has thousands, evvirtually all young men and women who are muslims attend one redeemed or the other, dont you know pastor adeboye's vision from  the lord??
that a redeemed church parish will be located every 5 minutes drive from each other,is it not happening already? you tell me.

Once again, men and women are spiritually the same in Islam but physically different. Women are better of in Islam than Christianity if you but know.

One of the last means of correcting a stubborn wife is by beating which will not leave any mark on her. And it is the last option, and still Muslims men are told that not to beat their wives (at all for any reason, as the Prophet had counselled ) is better. That is the Divine Law.

And in other places (I mean even in your Christianity) men still beat their women till the point of death. Don’t say you don’t know, O GODSON. O often do we hear of a husband killing his wife in the Western countries?

lol lol lol so your justification for the beating of your own wife and partner or slave like a common rabid dog,is that it is the last resort,can you hear or listen to yourself sometimes??
and you really think that woman will genuinely love you rather than fear you??i remember when i was in primary school when i used to get caned,till today i dont forget the teachers that caned me most or even the times my dad caned me,talk less of a wife you live and sleep with on the same bed, you betgter desist from that demonnic doctrine if you dont want your wife to mix ground glass in your food ne day, show me where the bible tells a man to even touch one hair on a woman's head, and i will show you how jesus treated the women equal,we dont see women as slaves unlike islam that is why we only marry once in life and thats it,and only marry one wife,not marrying millions of wives if you can cope with it,
who do you think will cherish his wife more
a man who has only one?
and a man who has 15 and still looking to marry more?


Quran 33;28:

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Say to your wives: If you desire the life of this world, and its glitter, Then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free in a handsome manner (divorce).”

There the Prophet’s wives began to make too-much worldly demand on the Prophet, so Allaah called them to order. Is that what you mean by their g

yea right,when they complain his allah conveniently calls them to order,but when he does stuffs against them he is ordered to do so by allah??lol lol
i really think that your allah and mohammad must be in cahoots with the whole fraud going on,and they are both male chauvinists as wellrumbling? Well they were humans.‘as for taking his step son's wife to himself’

The Prophet did not take his step son rather Allaah commanded him to marry the former wife of his former adopted son. See the difference.

of course,why didnt i think of that!allah has to command him to marry a woman he was lusting after,allah didnt command him to marry the old wrinkled women whose husbands had been killed in the various jihads, lol but the young beautiful woman lol


The Jews did not accept Muhammad as a bonafide Prophet even though they knew he was. They thought their claimed closeness with Allaah would save them on the Day of Resurrection:

“And they (Jews) say, "The Fire (i.e. Hell-fire on the Day of Resurrection) shall not touch us but for a few numbered days." Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): "Have you taken a covenant from Allâh, so that Allâh will not break His Covenant? Or is it that you say of Allâh what you know not?"” [Q2: 80].

i have addressed the reason mohammad was so mad at the jews earlier on this set of replies, its up there somewhere,

That is one of the reasons none of them did not accept Islam. But have you read about the Islâm of Abdussalam (a former Jew in the time of Muhammad), and Ka’b al-Aabar (after the Prophet died).

the reasons from whose point of view??
im sure you will agree with me that makes a lot of difference, you are not talking to a novice,

Did you think the Prophet would go to Madianh to meet the Jews, if he were a false Prophet while he knew he they would expose him?

well that i cant say,they needed him to sort the inter clan and inter tribal wars out and he was the only one who could muster the political and millitary clout to do so, he needed a safe sanctuary for him and his followers so they both got wat they wanted however,that did not stop him running the jewish tribes who did not accept him out of their town even without provocation, i have proof!

[And have you read the answer I gave to Kola Oloye as regard his question about the five pillars of Islâm? Why is your heart so hard, O GODSON?]

And should we use the same principle against Jesus? The Jews did not accept him as a bonafide Prophet, so they ‘killed’ him.

and even at that,he still loved us still so much that he gave us multiple chances to confess our sins and be forgiven, that should show you that he is surrounded and immersed only in love unlike your prophet and his father allah or his oga which ever way you want



“im not reffering to just battle of badr,which was officially or unofficially the first millitant jihad,i am reffering to the time mohammad arrived in yathrib or medina as it was later known,he could not farm,as the quraysh tribe where he was from were predominantly traders,hence he started raiding and stealing from innocent travellers to make ends meet the question is”

Interesting, can you please bring your evidence. I am hearing that for the first time. And know that if you fail to produce you evidence then you are a liar, as usual.

this is self explanatory,all you need to do is to read the accounts of mohammad and his followers when they got to yathrib/medina, is that so hard for you to do or you want me to do all the reading and researching for you, i have made it as clear as one can, however if after your professed knowledge of islam you dont know or have any idea of what happened or the reasons for mohammad indulging in (razzia)then you need a lot more reading to do about your religion, especially if  an individual who has only been reading the quran and hadiths can educate you on that aspect of the medina period


“well,the difference between the islamic millitants and the lords army in uganda e.t.c is that in the new testament there is nowhere GOD tells or enjoins his disciples to strive against unbeleivers,rather he highlights love and compassion at every opportunity.”

So what about the Old Testamnet? Is the God of Old Testament different from that of New Testament?

yes sire,the ways and manners,everything in the old testament is different,hence the reason jeus christ came to right the wrongs of the old testament, even the bible tells us that we are not to go by the doctrines and laws of the old testament anymore,that is why we dont do animal sacrifice anymore,that is why we dont do all the unleavened bread,passover,burn offerings calling a prophet to help us talk to GOD, ALL we need to do is kneel down on our knees pray to our father,and have faith and we r ok, the likes of pastor adeboye will just join their faith with ours and pray

And does your statement absolve the Lords Army of Uganda?

Why did you leave out the Crusades? Hey they were too brutal to be referred to Christianity.

like i said,these events had nothing to do  with christianity,they are simply politics, tompolo the millitant leader in niger delta has professed to be a pastor or prophet or some religious figure,does that justify what he is doing??
the bible  i.e new testament has made its stance cleear on all these issues without any contradiction or ambiguity like the quran

abulbanaat:
“yet we will continue to preach love and evangelize either you like it or not and we love you our brothers and sisters even if you hate us, and i know that makes you people really mad but tough!!!we love you”

Do not pretend, where is the love? When you don’t want us in schools (like the southern universities), you do not want us in government offices. You forced some of our uncles to become Christians before they could be educated, etc. you do not love us, stop the lie. Allaah has exposed you:

really??did these same uncles receive a good education their own government could not provide for them?
where were the islamic states when the christian missions were doing all this?why didint they take over ?
where in the south did admission go on the basis of religion or that is a figment of your lucid imaginations?

[quote author=abulbanaat link=topic=328844.msg4708283#msg4708283 date=1255207323]“Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him and the Muslims) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allâh (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper.” [Q2: 120].

And your friends are the Jews, Allaah has warned us about you. That you have evil against us. You only expressed the so called love on you tongues:

“O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.” [Q3: 1Ple

stop being paranoid,the crusades were politicians who used christianity to cover up,even a secondary school history student will tell you that the knights templar were politicians

abulbanaat:
the socio-religious crises in the Northern part of Nigeria is a deep-rooted ones that i may not be able to explain here while I am not absolving the Muslims from total blame. The Chrsitians too have had their share. What will you say about the massacre of the Muslims by the Christians in the Zango-Kataf crises, and recently that of Jos. What you must know is that most of those crises are political in nature the politicians only used some unsuspecting Muslims and Christians to achieve their ends.
How I wish GODSON, will open his heart, stop being stubborn against your Creator.

typical, so that is enough justification for the churches that have been continually burnt by muslims,and they continue to, ak anyone who wwitnessed the kano riots before you r talking about what you dont know about, the reprisal in the jos riots came about because these guys have had enough, boko haram is still there o

olabowale:
« #62 on: Yesterday at 09:22:42 PM » I therefore hope that you can explain if Jesus is a Servant or God by this Verse: ACTS 4 Verse 28; "Jesus your Servant whom You (God) sent". Is Jesus servant; yes or no?

Mark 12 Verse 29; And Jesus said; Hear ye, Oh Israel, your God and my God is but one Lord. Is Jesus and the others God and or Lord, yes or no?

On the hanging cross; Jesus yelled; My God, my God; why has thou forsaken me? Is Jesus God; Yes or no?

At the Garden of Geshemane, in prayer; Jesus prayed that the cup should be removed from his head, but it is the will of God that will be done Prevail, come to pass). Is Jesus the God whose will will be done as he prayed; yes or no?

On the cross as Jesu was giving up the ghost, he exclaimed; it is finished; was it finish, really since Paul who used to be Saul changed everything that Jesus stood on before; yes or no?

as usual,rather than answer the question,you come back with a counter question,the thing is that is it easier to ask questions,than actually answering potentially embarassing questions about your prophets?
you have been recycling the same 6/7 or so points right from the get go,without answering just one of all the embarassing stuffs mohammad got up to,
did jesus kill innocent people or rob people on the highway?
did he sleep with young 9 yrs old girls?
lets be honest,if you had two children and one was quiet,frugal e.t.c like jesus and the other was like a glorified area boy killing sleeping with girls e.t.c like mohammad who do you think any father will love more??go figure

olabowale:
« #62 on: Yesterday at 09:22:42 PM »
LOL, I can give you tons of them, just to beat you down and even do a good stumping while at it.
If you dont live in my household, I will say you are a darn thief, and your hands deserves the chopping off. But the wife of the hotelier will say the son of the hotelier is having a midnight meat feast. Am sure his father can afford the "niamaAllah" based on his business.
Read below for how I am taunting you; and you deserve it, I must say.

guess yo dont get it then, as usual

olabowale:
No, except that you shall be able to tell me when was Aisha (RA) born relative to her father's acceptance of Islam brough by Muhammad (AS)? Except that you can tell me how old she, was when bethroned to the first potential husband, whose marriage to her was called off because of her father's becoming Muslim? YOu will have to explain yourself, thoroughly, otherwise your Shahadah is coming up: and all the household of the Hotelier will have to accept islam, when you fail without any question!

i dont give a flying fig,when aisha was born,or when she started crawling,was she married off to mohammad at 6 yrs old or not??
did mohammad have sex with her at 9 years old or not??
bearing in mind he was 52 years old

olabowale:
No! This shoud be good!


No. And present your proof and Allah willing, my overwhelming proofs against your lies are coming up immediately after that. After this, I do not want to read from you about your obtrusive lies!

why dont you say specifically which one you want me to prove??i have plenty so you ll have to choose,you know as well as i do i have posted more than enough,and i am willing to post them again and more lol

olabowale:
No. And if you now women, except that you only hit the skin and hit the road. If you know, everyone has some Jealousy. So are men. In the past 20 years that I have beeen divorced from my ex, each time I saw her with a man, it was not a great feeling in my heart, even though I dont want her, ever. I dont think you know what good relationship is? Muhammad (AS) was the best of them, of all persons who have ever walked the earth; how do you think that his women will not even be jealous against one another? If my wife were to call my number and she reached a wrong number, and if a woman were to answer, she will ask; whenever she speaks to me: Wale, tani obinrin to gbe aago e? I may have to explain; are you sure you reached my line? I also have my proof when you present yours against Muhammad (AS), I will present mine to destroy yours. While you are the magicians of Pharaoh, I am like the Moses (AS), whose real snake will swallow your make belief lies!

that isnt how this works,prove the questions and concerns concerning your mohammad while i rpove the one concerning my own , you are yet to answer the question i posted,all you have done is to counter with the same old recycled 4/5 questions hs women were jelouse because in spite of the 13 or was it ten sef,that he was married too,he still went snoping around for slaves, im sure you have heard the yoruba saying that never conduct business with a womaniser,so why should i take a womanising man serious as a prophet?

olabowale:
No. Now present your proofs, since I will tell you the truth about that verse in Surah Baqarah, an obvious Madina Surah, towards the end of the life of the prophet, a Surah that also talked about Ribah! See am giving the evidence away, but there is more to this than what I just gave!

you know as well as i do that you have nothing new to show me,both in the ahadiths and qurans that you have not already done,i am not asking much,just a simple yes or no answer whcih wouldnt have taken this much room,as you are here gallivanting and bouncing about lol
again,what proof exactly are you on about,mention them so that i can attach the necessary proofs i have

olabowale:
If you provide relevant questions needing yes or no answers, you will get it as such! But when you ask if a husband has the right to sleep with his wife, a daughter of say "Adenuga", whom he and her willing participated in her marriage, in her acceptance for a husband, I think one should ask you if there was a reasonable explanation that you have for asking considering when you are asked to tell us when was she born relative to her father coming to wealth, and assuning he became wealthy in 1990, and you are saying that the Okoya cant marry her? Lol. An 18 year old woman today is matured and you can take that to the bank. I will marry one if you can offer me my type, only to make your heart sad or sink the more!

well,i beg to differ sire,all the questions have a yes or no answer clearly,
the reason why it is bad and harmful and against all know humane conventions to sleep with a 9 years old is the vvf or whatever ailment where children who are not yet matured enough to have babies are being forced to do so, or is your allah happy that these girls will never be able to pee normally like their age mates in other areas??
is your allah  ok with the fact thata 9 years old would have her childhood stolen and then permanently serve as the sperm tank of a man in his early to mid fifties?
lastly what choice did a 6 years old girl have in whomsoever she got married to,much less being ready to have sex at 9 years old, pls answer these questions,so that we will know what mohammad and allah thinks of the guurls going through the pain of vvf

olabowale:
I am certain that the Jewish God or Gods and the Christian definitely Gods have gone on an even longer extended break! Remember Allah and His Messenger (AS), you big time Kufar of Christianity always claim that the religion of Islam, the Revealed Quran and indeed Muhammad (AS) are events more recently, than and after your old age long time archaic Jewish and Christendom, in the history of mankind! No? So I ask you; what have Jehovah/Yahweh combo, remember I am not saying Holy Ghost and or Son God here, so that you dont think I am making fun of your gods, done for you lately, except to debar you from marrying while allowing you to chase Morenike, and Iyabo and Jane and Chichi all over London, trying to get some?

lets check a few instances of whose GOD is on an extended holiday,
our own GOD defends himself,moreover he heals all that come to him i.e sicknesses,and other ailments e.t.c he heals cancer,deformities,even straightening deformed hands and legs,people wake up from the dead, i can give you instances of americans where you live so that you can check it out,

now how has mohammad defended his own followers?
your allah has falled asleep,hence yhis followers have to defend him by suicide bombing and the rest,you dont have any signs and wonders,ehnce yuou muslims are flocking to different revivals, there was even an islamic man who got his healing in dedemption camp,and then tuned around to say he was not going to convert to christianity,still pastor adeboye prayed for him and he was on his way lol
pls indulge me and show me the islamic men and wome of god who have been doing signs and wonders,

While you are trying to fidjet for a wrong answer, Allah through Muhammad (AS) by His Book and the actions of Muhammad (AS) honoring women, have not since 1960/1970s allowed me to participate in what was common in my time called proom, a kinda of sexual orgy common in my teenage period, in Nigeria. I think each of you Christians who was not a teenager at that time (lol) should ask anyone who was in your lives, and they wil tell you, if they escaped it, as long as they were Christians; and it happened in the afternoon, too, as long as it was weekends!

[/quote]that is still not comparable to a quran who gives the man a right to thrash his wife with a cain if she does anything bad, a quran who permanently relegates the woman to the background,she can never ver ever lead a mosque no matter her knowledge of the quran,and she can never  pray alongside a man,not even her son where is the equality in that sire??

olabowale:
And in your country called Nigeria, it was Allah and Muhammad that instigated Jacob Gowon and Odumegu Ojukwu to wage the Civil war? It was Allah and Muhammad that caused the Jews to bomb King David Hotel in Jarusalem where many British personnel died? It was Allah and Muhammad that caused the two world wars in Europe between mostly Christians? It was Allah that made Prince Charles perform uncountable illigal sex that ended his marriage? I am giving you what you will definitely must have heard about, and not the remote sillinesses that you call reposes!

no it was not allah,it was satan,but then again are they brn again and broken christians??
if they are not,then what is my business defending them or justifying their actions?the point is that mohammad and his sucessive followers are responsible for the bloodshed by suicide bombers and also the innocent girls who are not ready to have sex talk less of having babies dying in droves
[quote author=olabowale link=topic=328844.msg4705716#msg4705716 date=1255177846]Ojukwu married Bianca, I married Zaynab, and while Ojukwu throws his wife out, I keep mine! I have no interest in divorcing my wife or wives at the drop of a hat! Is there a way you can blame Allah and Muhammad on your sexual perversions, or at least or the easy Lizzy sexual maladies that is an epidemic in the Christian communities of the world?

well for one,any christian who divorces under any guise needs to rededicate his or her life so count that out of christianity,secondly a real born again christian will stick with one single wife come what may,so now why dont you defend your mohammad and the sexual vices he indulged in, why dont you justify them??

abulbanaat:
GODSON2009, for your questions, I will onward use the Qur’aan to answer you. I like to abide with the advice given by the Akh, Muhsin. Muslims have been told to engage people like you in a debate in the best manner, so when you persist in insulting our Prophet even after we have explained to you, then the word Kaafir (disbeliever) would not be in the Islamic lexicon if people like you are not around. So good of you continue to disbelieve in Muhammad, questioning why Allaah (your Creator) allowed him to have ‘the carnal knowledge of a nine year old girl’ whom we tell you was his wife. Saying why did he do this why did he do that… continue, good of you!
“…but strive against them (by preaching) with the utmost endeavour, with it (the Qur'ân)” [Q25: 52].

i wouldnt blame you really if you decide to desist from engaging me in a debate,because frankly if i was defending mohammad and all that he did,i will be tired and back off after a while as well,the man has given other religions even polytheists more than enough armour to fight his followers lol
i continue to insult your prophet because first morally he did not behave like a prophet,second he was full of contradictions all through his life,third he was a remorseless murderer and leading about 1 billion people astray, straight into hell,the cherry on the cake is sleeping with a 9 years old baby girl and his followers including aisha had the guts to include it in the quran as an example for you to follow which you are doing,
yes,i know about the greater jihad, that of the mouth and of the hand next!!



So I will allow you to fight with the Qur’aan, which is the strongest proof of the Prophethood of Muhammad, if you can stand it.

The Qur’aan is the greatest weapon of a Muslim. If you are a man, do not skip it just read the verses, any way you claimed you have read it before.

Allaah (the Lord and Creator of Jesus) says:

“…but strive against them (by preaching) with the utmost endeavour, with it (the Qur'ân)” [Q25: 52].

[/quote]the problem with that is that the quran is a very weak weapon to fight with, its like holding a banana to fight with a man carrying a sharp sword

As for your doubts and misconceptions about Islam:

Allaah says:

“Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.” [Q3: 19]

And He says:

“ (O you Christians and Jews) mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth [i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allâh's Messenger and his qualities are written in your Scriptures, the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you know (the truth).” [Q2: 42].


And if you persist in your rage, O GODSON:

“ (then )perish in your rage. Certainly, Allâh knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).” [Q3: 119].

But you must know:

“And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad and whatever was revealed to him). And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allâh, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give Zakât: and that is the right religion. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews andChristians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.” [Q98: 4-6].

So you have no excuse for your disbelief, O GODSON. You have been warned.

the problem your mohammad has is his rejection as a prophet,first by the jews and then the christians,if you check the ahadith ibn ishaq 351 he was taunted with questions he couldnt answer,not only that even though he was preaching the same monothesm as the jews he was not accepted as a prophet,to show how much he craved the acceptance of the jews,he even told his followers to start praying on fridays,when jews prepared for the sabath,they were to observe jewish dietary doctrines as well as observe their fast on the day of jewish atonement, go and find out the meaning of "ashura"which means ten as the jewish day of atonement falls on the tenth month, in spite of all this he still was not accepted as a prophet,hence his fixation with all the quranic verses you have quoted, i just pity the man because he probably would have been a great man of GOD whose exploits would have been recorded in the bible,if he had not allowed satan to use him


But know:

“And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith (in Allaah and Muhammad), but most of them are Al-Fâsiqûn (disobedient to Allâh - and rebellious against Allâh's Command).” [Q3: 110].

And if you persist in your slander of the Prophet, you are not the first and you are not going to be the last but know that:

“For he who makes you angry (O Muhammad), - he will be cut off (from every good thing in this world and in the Hereafter)” [Q108: 3].
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turn the quran 3;110 around,you are the ones that need salvation not the christians,to prove my assertion to you,mohammad has been dead for hundreds of years now,how come nobody has been able to replicate his many exploits??
you muslims dont perform miracles,you dont do signs and wonders,even the night vigil you hurriedly started copying us when you saw the crwod in winners and redeemed, im guessing the next thing you ll say is that the miracles are arranged,well what about the onces in the us which independent doctors confirmed as real, ill challenge you to read and study the bible like i have studied the quran then see if you ll be the same thing, shalom

littleb:
@GODSON2009
Wrong questions get No answers. Your questions motive shows no sincerity. Why do you want know more about someone's faith with huge arrogance. You want us to give you response to some misconceptions with simple YES or NO. No explanation, no reference from Quran or hadiths. I think you need to be ignored.

lol what has my motive got to do with the cold stark truth?
didnt your mohammad,and sucessive followers pour vitriol on christians even untill today,do you see anyone complaining?
i have given everyone on here ample chance to respond to my questions,but each time they either ignore the question and counter with some worn out mantra about the triune i.e olabowale's style

or they go into long winded one full page quranic recitation,as if i asked for a sermon,me and olabowale and other guys have been on the same thing for almost 15 pages with no headway,there fore i believe the questions i have posed had a yes or no answer.

irrespective of the reasons surrounding it,if i ask you are you male? your answer will be yes, you might now start explaining that your parents were expecting a girl and bla bla,

Abuzola:
I prefer the atributes of Prophet muhammad than that of christ being a god and crying for death. Gush

let me insert this quote of yours so that you wouldnt be able to modify it, coming from the mouth of a devout muslim man justifying mohammad's negative vices wow

olabowale:
If there is a picture to explain hypocracy, Godson2009 will win hands down. I have read his posts and I find it a distasteful thing; he could not insult a muslim woman, but he enjoyed lying against and insulting Allah (Olorun in yoruba) and His Messenger (AS). Is Godson2009 a man to be trusted? No!

before i know what to say,are ou equating uplawal with your own allah??let me know if you are thanks,

olabowale:
And Uplawal have not said anything about sex, and only a foolish african, indeed nigerians will say that sex and making children are not the greatestest of attached values associated to marriage! If you are not married, then ask those in your life who are married! In my youth, the parents will tilekun gboin gboin when they want to have sex, and in the dead of night when the parents part of the house is busy with some confusing noise (lol) and every where else is quite, soon as you reach the sexual age (like my present age; lol), you will know why there was such noise in the days gone by in papa and mama side of the house! Godson will claim youth, while he tailgates every Lara and Kemi and Ngozi and Sharon in England, he will play Mr. innocent right here.

in your haste to defend your new convert,you have failed to read her comments on the thread before replying, for an old man that is very unbecoming of you sire, now go back and read all her comments.
like i was asking uplawal,is sex and childbirth the only thing she is looking foward to in marriage?simple

olabowale:
I am not even interested in defining the age of Aisha, but at my age, a woman is anyone who is sexually matured and can handle the duries of wife and marriage! I will marry an 18 year old woman; I did not call her girl. And if I had lived 1400 years ago, I will not mind marrying a woman whose age at that time corresponds to today's america's 18 years old woman.

thank GOD you said 1400 years ago,even though i still believe your prophet was an un ashmed pedophile, what excuse will you adduce for your brothers marrying 9 yrs old and 12 years old in the present day and age then? 12 years old is a very far cry from the 18 years old, your sister uplawal said marrying babies is justified as long as she is experiencing menstruation,again read her comments before rushing to defend

olabowale:
In NYC which I know well, white and blak and spanish and asiatic people boys and girls are having babies and its a common thing at 14 or even 13! Whats your problem and thats 2009, so consider whats happening in 600 way back then?!

so is christianity to blame for that??like your sister uplawal asserted?
besides note that these girls have a choice to do what they choose with their life,is that enough justification to force a 12 years old,who often times has not even had the proper food and drugs to develop fully like the fat american girls??
maybe we should start by locking your pre teen daughter in a room,with one of these paedophiles as you dont see anything wrong with it,hence subjecting your daughter to it would not be a bad thing

olabowale:
Ose o jare Uplawal for teaching these people, lying men and women the truth about birds and bees and humans. May Allah reward you for your effort. Why they are born again, and again, and again,they become deluded, even the more.

in other words uplawal's justification of the tragic death of the 12 years old is in line with islam?wow uplaway keep up the good work o

olabowale:
Tpia, abi mo paro ni? Obinrin to ba ye ko loko oni lati loko. Okunrin to ba ye ko laya oni lati laya. Abi Godson the apon to nikon sun: She igbadun aye ni yen ni? Yet he comes from wealth and is not that he is spending his earning on mom and dad, so why is he afraid of being married unless he his a darn skirt chaser; and nightcap capper! LOL>

i have no idea how you arrived at your conclusions on a total stranger you have never seen before,for all you know i might be in a cyber cafe in ketu or ipaja right now, as for marriage,we dont rush and jump into marriage like you muslims because we only get to choose once,and its for life unlike you who dont respect the hallowed institution of marriage hence will collect women as long as possible

NATIONAL President of Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria, PFN, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor yesterday faulted figures published by an American research forum which claimed that about 50 per cent of Nigerians are Muslims, challenging the group to tell the world the source of such statistics.

Pastor Oritsejafor also commended the House of Representatives for summoning the Borno State governor, Alhaji Modu Sheriff and the Director-General of the NYSC, Brigadier-Gen. Yusuf Bomoi to explain their efforts at investigating the murder of a female youth corps member in the Borno State capital, Maiduguri by persons yet to be identified.

Reacting to the October 2009 report by Pew Forum which gave the number of Muslims living in Nigeria as over 78 million, representing five per cent of Islamic adherents in the world, Pastor Oritsejafor said the figures are not acceptable because they do not represent the reality on ground in the country. The report says there are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.

According to him, the 2006 census exercise which put the population of Nigeria at 140 million deliberately avoided statistics on religion because then President Olusegun Obasanjo prevailed on the Christian community to hearken to the pleas of their Muslim counterparts to exclude the religious clause from the census data.

“So, if the Nigerian government cannot say specifically the number of Christians and Muslims in the country, how then did an American forum come up with such unsubstantiated figures of a particular religious group in the country?” he asked, stressing that despite “the nation’s imperfections, there are certain things we should not accept hook line and sinker.

“I can contest the figures because I am aware of what happened just before the last census when the Christians initially insisted that the religious clause should be included in the census data, so that leaders on both sides can plan well for their adherents,” he added “but the president bowed to pressure from Islamic leaders who insisted that the clause was not necessary.”

Oritsejafor therefore argued that if the recent census figures could not ascertain the number of Christians and Muslims in the country, “what then is the source of the figures Pew Forum is currently parading in its report titled ‘Mapping the Global Muslim Population: A report on the size and distribution of the world’s Muslim population?’”

Not wanting to say that the published figures could have been sponsored for reasons know only to the people behind it, Pastor Oritsejafor also queried some part of the report which says that one in every three Muslims in Sub_Sahara Africa live in Nigeria, saying that there is no basis for the conclusions because the recent Nigerian census had not said.

Also reacting to the recent murder of a member of the National Youth Service Corps, Miss Grace Ushang in Maiduguri, Borno State by persons yet to be identified, the cleric expressed gratitude that the House of Representatives has summoned the state governor over the matter.

According to him, oftentimes when these things happen in the North there is always a conspiracy of silence which has not helped the leadership of the two dominant religions who had been seeking ways of arresting religious uprising in that region.

“It is gratifying that politicians have now seen the need to intervene in incessant crisis in the North,” the PFN helmsman said, adding “hitherto, people have seen such crises as purely religious matters that should be addressed by religious leaders, but now one can heave a sigh of relief that politicians are appreciating the need to consider the political implications of such crises.”

He urged members of the House of Representatives to get to the very bottom of this particular incident because the NYSC is one of the few institutions that has held this nation as one indivisible country.

“Not too long ago a number of them were killed in a religious crisis in Jos and now this. We must bring to book the culprits before parents will begin withdraw their children from the scheme for security reasons,” Oritsejafor cautioned.

source;http://www.nigeriamasterweb.com/paperfrmes.html

uplawal:
@godson,but since u are not man enough to answer me (omo ikeja),pls incase it happen like play,like play,u have to fight back the robbers and kill them if ure opportuned or else if they kill u,u will jebi laye& jebi lorun,u will just waste danudanu,and dnt be bothered if u die in the process,thats if u fight sha,u wont be jugded on that cos u fought for your right,mumu hes saying it wont happen to him,what if it happened?u will mope until they finish your wife and give u AJEKUN of her

again,i repeat that it can never happen,as large as nigeria is surely with the spate of robberies,you should be able to give me one example, ok let me give you a couple

im sure you have heard of pastor jt kalejaiye, the testimony is recorded hired killers came to his house,and by power of prayers with their own legs went back.
a pastor i know personally but would not like to disclose her name now,the lord showed her that armed robbers willl come but did not show her the time or day,when they came she was not expecting it and took her children and her and locked them up in her bedroomshe was praying and the armed robbers emptied their guns into the woodedn bedroom door but could not get in and left in frustration.

lets even now assume it happened,if you kill them,what is the connection of that with millitant jihad in islam?
armed robbers are coming into your house to invade your private space, islam is invading everyone's space,forcing people to be muslims or killing them,if anyone is the armed robber,it has to be the muslim who has come to steal and destroy what isnt theirs in the first place

uplawal:
am a practicing muslim and dnt need you to tell me how to practice my religion,and beside,kilo fe fa,sho mo pe av fogotten about u until u reapeared

okie nice one,but spend more time reading your quran than abusing people indiscriminately, there is no short cut to learning from the ahadiths and quran but reading,if i a christian can do so then you should be ashamed floating about the threads posting abuse with no content, why would you even remember me when you dont know if i am an human being or robot??
male or female?
i might even be yar adua or babangida or a guy in one bush, dont remember me o,the christians that you ppl remembered in somalia have been beheaded,the ones you remembered in mid east have been blown up,but i remember you in my prayers

luvola:
@ godson - leave this lady alone, peace

she knows its not personal,its her religion and her complete ignorance of it compounding the problem is the issue

if the report was 80% christians i would have challenged its validity as well,the point here is that how did they come about their flawed figures,or are my reservations not valid?
is the census figures not in contention and used as a political tool to score more local governments for the north?

uplawal:
@godson,back to the question,what if it happened,what would you do,and they also threaten to kill u,u berra answer me back,cos worst has happened to your pastors o

please i challenge you to show me one powerful and annointed man or woman of GOD who has had such situation happened to them, this is to show you that when the annointing is around,anything satanic will keep away, why dont you share the worse that has happened to them,i am challenging you and if you can come up with such then i will answer the question anyway you want me to

uplawal:
@GODSON234AD,at your question,i was never a muslim before,and me and my boyfriend are not having sex until marriage,and in marriage hmmmmm,what will happen o,our first bed will definately break for the first weeks,then we replace it eachtime it breaks ;d

ANSWER MY QUESTION TOO

well,you r a muslim now so it doesnt count, going by your bed breaking explanations correct me if i am wrong,the two thngs you are looking foward to in marriage is
1.bed breaking sexual exploits
finish,wow muslim women must be having a really nice time,

i answered your question,i am 1 million percent sure that as long as i am right with the lord,and my fire is still burning,no armed robber will ever come talk less of attempting to rape my wife, my dad's residence in ikeja has been there since 1973 and not once have we ever been robbed so prayer do work

uplawal:
@GODSON,WHATEVER GUY, IF U DNT WRITE IN A RUDE WAY I WONT REPLY BACK TO U,MUSULUMI OKIN START FIGHT,ITS ONE OF OUR DONTS,

AND BY THE WAY,WHAT DO U SANCTIFY your SURROUNDINGS WITH,HOPE IS NOT THAT BLOOD U THINK O?IT DOES NOT WORK,EVEN IF U THINK IT WORKS,GUY ITS BEEN INCARNATED BY THE DEVIL SINCE TO DECEIVE YOU PEOPLE,SHIOO

whatever??is that the answer to the question??


oh so i am rude now am i??i though you were saying there is nothing wrong in what the 12 years old girl was going through?
surely the girl must have felt the older man was being rude right?
at least you have a choice of not replying me anymore "for being rude"
because you are in your house,with your laptop or pc while the innocent 12 yrs old doesnt have the luxury of a laptop or computer or a western world where her rights are respected, this is the specific comment i was goading you to make,now you know how it feels like for the 12 years old, and what your islamic muslim men have done to her

uplawal:
@GODSON245AD,SEE PROPER KEFERI CALLING A BELIEVER KEFERI,MY DEFENDING MYSELF AND ISLAM DOES NOT MAKE ME A KEFERI,HOPE U KNOW THAT,WE ARE NOT HYPOCRITE LIKE U PEOPLE.MUSULUMI,OKI FI ORO SI ABE AHON,

LET ME ASK U QUESTION GODSON,IF AN ARMED ROBBER COMES TO your HOUSE TO ROB AND RAPE your WIFE WHAT WOULD U DO?

it cannot happen because i pray and sanctify my surroundings every night before i sleep, prayer works, well anyone reading both our comments will know which one of us is exhibiting the traits of a truelly religious person, you have called people fool,being insensitive to the plight of an innocent 1w2 yrs old,you have used several unprintable words e.t.c and still reveling in it,my advice is for you to continue so that you can exhibit the characteristics of an islamic woman for all to see, im not complaining

uplawal:
@GODSON,just shoosh there,you peoples posts are worst when it comes to analysing them,u wanna prove that right?if anyone reads thru, its definately the truth they will hold on to not deception and hypocrisy of you people(xtians)

ok i hear you,why dont you simply answet eh question then to clarify yourself,based on your comments which is there for the world to see,and for justifying the barbaric treatment of young girls,

is the relationship you have with your bf solely based on sex

whenever you get married,if you are not,will your expectations of marriage to an islamic man be as a babymaking machine,or as a sex machine??

i also asked you a question earlier which you refused to answer,


did you lose your own virginity when you turned 13 or started your menstruation??

i am sorry for the graphic nature of the questions,but it is important for us to know seeing as you are justifying the sad even posted here,

uplawal:
was it not the same xtians that set 9/11 up,to ridicule ISLAM,ALLAH will judge,atleast muslims dnt kill except to defend themselves,but the xtians purposely did that to implicate the Muslims so that,they can deal with them unjustly and besides they will only try but will never succeed it

sister uplawal, i am seriously having doubts as to your sanity o, are you the same person i was having discussions with last week,or someone else is impersonating using your id??im confused with the comments attributed to you lately o, its not even about the violence,but for even your standars it is really really dumb,i have read several more intelligent comments from you prior to today and yesterday so i will give you the benefit of doubt to clarify if its really you, pls dont repeat the bolded anywhere educated and enlightened ppl are for your sake o, you can say it as soon as you land in muritala mohammed international airport

uplawal:
@GODSON,fool,is sex not one of the major reasons of marriage,what comes to every man mind before and immediately on wedding night,all those are xtians so dnt twist it,and its not only whites,even blacks,they mess irritably,disgustingly sef,

MARRY AND JUST MOPE ON your WIFW LIKE MIRROR,SHE WILL JUST RUN GO

fool? lol if your expecting me to reply in kind,then im sorry im not a born again for mouth,so ill simply say it is well and GOD bless you,and open the eyes of your understanding,however i really love the way you are showing yourself up for a model islamic woman,at least people struggling to choose between islam and christianity willo hopefully read through this threads including your comments and make their decision on the strenght of your negative comments and insults,

i will ask you once again, are you with your boyfriend or husband on the basis of sex??please a simple yes or no will do without the insults, we are not in a motor park in oshodi.

i dont know the kind of men you r associating with,but if this is their mindset then i suggest you step up, because i for one dont carry thought of sex around my head when i can think of making money and being a sucess in life,and i am very sure there are millions of men like that n london too, its an advice.

again in reply to your last comment in upper case,are you getting married to be a sex machine or baby making machine or as a woman who is her husband's partner and companion?

michelin89:
Sorry if I may ask, but are you retarded?

the jury is still out on that,we r not sure if this is her personal opinion or that of an average islamic woman olabowale will clarify

yea right,these pertinent issues do not require long winded quranic verses to explain or justify them,they are simple yes or no answers,

if you caught me red handed dipping my hands in your pot of soup,with my mouth full of meat,what other explanations is there to do?
will you sit there while i start telling you stories of how i was looking for something in the cupboard,and my hand accidentally went into your pot of stew e.t.c??
that is what you muslims are doing,answer me with a simple yes or no!!!

1.did mohammed a 52 years old man marry a 6 years old girl and later have sex with her when she turned 9? yes or no,without explanations!!if no i have proof.

2.did mohammed leading a band of renegades and armed robbers raid and kill innocent traders,even during the holy month??yes or no,without explanations!!no and i have proof.

3.did mohammad support the 3 godess,and later abrogate the verses in the medina period??yes or no without explanations, if no i have proof

4.did mohammaed indulge in an uncontrollable sexual orgy,both with female slaves and numerous wioves,to the extent that his wives were murmuring?yes or no without explanation if no i have proof

5.did mohammed abrogate the "no compulsion in religion"and the one where he enjoined his followers to let the christians and jews alone save the polytheist with the sword verses??yes or no without explanation,if no i have proof of the sword verses.

i dont have time for stories,simply answe these questions straight direct and i will post the second set of questions, your quran is full of gaping holes and contradictions

muhsin:
Who Allah guides none can lead astray; and whom He leads astray none can lead aright.

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you are right sire,its just a pity that mohammad and the allah who has gone on an extended break for the past hundreds of years started leading his followers astray a long time before we were born, hence the several bloodshed both in suicide bombing,and the early death of young girls who are forced to have sex as more or less babies following the path of mohammed

dont rise to his bait,their usual trick is to lash out when they are cornered putting you on the defensive,which is what he is trying to make you do, you dont have to defend your hatred or otherwise of islam,make him defend his hatred of christianity and contradictions in islam,and i bet you they will all scurry back into their rat holes

uplawal:
sex is the one of the major reasons and companionship etc follows

with this comment,you have drawn back intelligent,independent islamic females by hundreds of years, in this day and age,how can anybody even think this way,knowing that you did not endure the same thing these girls/women endured who are born muslim your mouth can be free to dance yahoozee,sex and companionship might be the reason you are with your own boyfriend,but dont tag every female muslim with the same brush, in the alternative,show us proof of that in your book of confusion.

it is very sad that while you have not answered a single question which i have posed to you on gender inequality in islam,you come on here cursing like a fish wife.
what is the relationship of a 10/11/12 years olf british councill estate girl with christianity??
did she tell you that she is a christian or a member of any church??or you are one of those who believe anything oyinbo must be christian??

uplawal:
theres nothing wrong with a girl getting pregnant at that age when shes married,scientifically shes fit to get pregnant since shes menstruating,so what the fuss about,atleast shes not killing all her unborn babies via abortion,and fucking really hard without marriage blessings,if God does not want a girl to get pregnant early he would have made the menstration to start at18yrs old

when i told you the other time,that you were never born again nor a good christian to start with,you disagreed with me,would a good christian be mouthing off words such as these in your comments??
"fucking very hard"
by the way,i hope you realise these babies wh are not yet women have a right to determine when they want to have sex?

have you heard of anything called the emotional strenght to handle that crucial time in the life of a girl/woman?? i.e an 11/12 years old girl having sex with a fully grown adult
did you lose your own virginity at the age of 13 years old??
have you seen the documentary shown on channel 4 tv on the effects this has had on the teenage girls?
please i beg you,always think deeply before you post comments,there are some comments which frankly are devoid of any sensible reasoning or though process,and the ones you have posted on tis thread are prime examples, dont think in an intelectually bovine manner,or be blindly supportive of a defficient or evil doctrine.

i fully understand your support of your islamic religion on other issues,that is fair and valid,and even though we might disagree,i respect you and the other's opinions,but making comments that these girls deserve what they got,really tells a lot about you and your though process,your mindset

uplawal:
@godson,you berra keep to urself,which long way do i have to go,cos i dnt know niqaab?dnt let me get cross with u o,i love ISLAM and am proud to be one till death take me at very old age

the energy you ll expend getting cross with an individual you cant see or even know what he looks like will be better spent reading your quran,if you want to be a muslim be a dedicated one not freestyle muslim adding ajasa comments up and down religious section,i hope you read the quranic verse i posted where mohammad said a man has a legitimate right to thrash hiw wife if she is doing something wrong,and what you are doing might earn you some lashes of kiboko

@topic
utter rubbish!!if i may ask,how did they come about the 50.4% figure in nigeria?
what census did they use??
the disputed sensus which was highly and unrealistically inflated to favour political interests in the north?
if not then when did they conduct their own religious census that we nigerians were unaware of??

did they factor in,or do a proper count of the pentecostal christian members springing up all over nigeria bearing in mind that many of the converts still bear islamic names?
some people are so gullible that anything a white man says has to be the truth,
the way i view statistics or any assertion is if i look through it and i find a falsity,then the totality of the report is unbelievable and good only for the thrash bin.

as for muslims,this is only good enough for a feel good report so enjoy

@poster
this is good news,now that several cracks r appearing in the core doctrines of islam especially coming from one of the islamic states we will see how strong islam really is when faced with issues such as these,our prayers are bearing fruit,next we are praying that the oppressed women of the middle east should start revolting and asserting themselves

uplawal:
@lagosboy,is the niqaab the "PURDAH" that ELEHA uses? if is that, then am mistaking it to be hijab,cos i wear hijab and i love it,sorry if am wrong brother

so you dont even know the difference between niqaab,purdah and hijab you have a long way to go sister eleha even a christian like me knows instead of you to be studying your quran,hadiths you will be forcing yourself in the midst of men discussing which youir religion forbids

i have evidence that he did so,and i will post the relevant verses again to show your religion up for what it is at the appropriate time