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nopuqeater:
It has to be Jesus of the Bible who is fake. Reasons;
He make prophet predictions which he failed in. Examples: A Comforter who did not speak that people can hear and record his statements.
another example: Jesus said to his disciples that he will return even in their own lifetime. He didnt and has not returned in 2000 plus years. His disciples are long gone, unless you can tell me that they are hiding somewhere as monks?
Another example: Jesus told people not to abuse or curse, even as simple as calling somebody a fool will condemn the abuser to hell. Jesus immediately turned around and called people that exactly. where do you think he will end up, if what he predicted for such a word is hell> do you think hell is prepared for real prophets of God; eg, Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Yusuf, Moses, David, Solomon, Zahariah, John, just to name a few (tell us which of them will go to hell)? Jesus of the Bible from his own Biblical mouth condemned himself, unless it is the Bible that is spewing falsehood.

There is no place that Muhammad in the Quran and or ahadith is reported to be punished, for any reason or offense or sin. The person who will not be punished is not eqal to the one clearly from his own mouth declares hell by his action. You now know tha the charllatan is. Its not Muhammad (as) who is in good company.

please i have told you before to back all your assertions in the bible up with chapters and verses or else i cant comment upon them every single word in the bible is made in the context and the particular circumstance,the reason i am asking for the specific verses before making a comment is that i know how you muslims look for a random verse and then twist,and doctor it to fit in with your warped and incorrect assertions give me proof i check it againt my bible to make sure then i will comment upon it.

as for proof that mohammad was the charllatan it is obvious for all to se,unlike you who is hiding under one or two verses,the whole quran including the many contradictions abrogations is a proof.

the lifestyle mohammad let while on earth is another proof.i dont see anyone even muslims that he lived a life of luxury or decadence?

another proof that mohammd was a fake is because since he died his religion has been enmeshed in controversy and bloodshed untill today,how can a peaceful religion not agree amongst themselves who will be the head if not that it is nothing more than a business??
since moammad died,there is no spiritual replication or extrapolation,the religion is just standard and cold even the pagan worshippers sango and co still have more live within them,they still answer their adherents and lead them in the proper way mohammad only left a book full of contradictions and several hadiths.i will be waiting for the bible verses sire

and the same islam in its confusing contradictions,double speaks and fraudlent about turns says

the abrogated verse,

quran 2;191 and193, 191; And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

quran 3;151, Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

quran 4;89, They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

what a peaceful religion,

uplawal:
@godslave,ofcourse from the way you talk,foolish man

area mama and godmother of islamic terrorists what are you on about

bilms:
then u must be a lier,

if someone suspect your right up as fake, then u prove your source,

1. was mohammad ever a stble boy in his youth yes or no?
2.what was his occupation when he initially met khadijat?

if the answers to these questions contravene my assertions you are either reading doctored quans and hadiths or totally clueless aboutyour religion

muhsin:
I can very well recall none of you had the courage of overcoming his pathological animus and condemn the other killing of the Muslims in Kuru; while I (here) apparently denounce that of Christians in Dogo Na Hauwa. But you are trying to put words I didn't utter in my mouth! Mts. Get lost, shameless dudes.

really and how exactly are you sure that i didnt condemn the killing of the muslims??
no one is putting words in your mouths but judging your comments based on its colouring and aspersions you muslims should desist from using inflamatory and unfeeling comments like the bolded because two wrongs dont make a right secondly it has been proven that both parties were sponsored so how can it be a strictly christian versus muslim fight

my source is of no conscequence to you,the concern for you should be the veracity of it

nopuqeater:
mr. godSON: please note that i am not a christian and i care for the Bible as much as i care for the Buhdist book, or the Books of the hindus.
lives of the disciples, which he failed to do.

im glad that is sorted out then,so you r not of the same believe or convictions of shaeeb or whatever the islamic name is

nopuqeater:
i simply asked you about what your Bible wrote concerning when Jesus will come back. you are directing me to a whole Chapter, when few verses were enough to disproof Jesus, maybe the writers and the followers of the Bible. or both. again here are the verses;
JOHN 14:15-17:
JOHN 14:25, 26:

are these verse lying? if they are and incorrect scrap them. otherwise, i apply the same principle to the issue of Comforter as ghost according to you and our ilk, or Muhammad (AS) according to the description of Jesus even in the Bible and my humble person and all muslims.

no the verses are not lying,unlike the quran the bible doesnt make ambiguous or open ended or contradictory statements it addresses specifics concerning both in the present and future.you seem to be trying to get clever by half on one hand you have just re iterated your total disbelieve in the bible or recgnition as any basis of fact yet you are highlighting verses 15-17 asmaking reference to your prophet loooool
the second part of 17 says the wolrd will neither believe him nor know him,nor even see him does that pply to your prophet?no it applies to the holy spirit which people have severally disbelieved even till today people like you still see those speaking in tongues as either drunk or pretending.

nopuqeater:
if timing is what disqualified Muhammad (AS), then time disqualified Jesus as a prophet, a man of God based on his utterance of return during the lives of the disciples, which he failed to do.

timing isnt the only thing that disqualified your prophet,the literal and figurative definitions of these biblical verses also roundly disqualify him as well the fact that you have tried to twist an english word or sentence round to fit in with your fake religion will not sully our bible.
the return o jesus was based upon the wole of the new testament,not on a random verse which you have given a literal meaning just to suit your ends

nopuqeater:
a test of fake prophet, according to Jesus of the Bible: if the said person says something and does not come to pass, then he is of the devil. now tellme how do you see this in regards to the failure of Jesus to return in due time according to his promise to the disciples?

i totally agree one of the personalities we are talking about is a fake and a charllatan,but it certainly isnt jesus christ for one you gys are the ones trying to use our holy book as validation,when last did you see a christian using the quran as validation or connecting mohammad with any part of the bible?any pastor no matter how big that tries it will loose a sizeable number of his congregation yet islamist scholars stock in trade in preaching is to conect jesus christ and the bible with islam even though we are miles apart

nopuqeater:
lack of morality; godSON was impressing us of his upright standing because he is not warming himself up in cold London with any woman, since his girlfriend is in Nigeria. this is according to him a sign of godliness, in the tradition of his name.

i wasnt trying to make an impression,if i did that then i am committing a sin i was only trying to highlight the fact that it is something millions of born again christian did without seeing it as a great sacrifice it is part of being right with GOD but co-joined to other virtues

nopuqeater:
let me ask you; is having a girlfriend, hopefully you sleep with her, otherwise you will never have referenced not sleeping with anyone in England, right now, a quality of great sexual moral, or lack of it? girlfriend/boyfriends are not husband and wife. there is no marital ceremony to bind you together. no witness to your contract. and am sure, you could not go to your girlfriends house in Nigeria and spend the night under her fathers oof, waing her up at night and having sexual intercourse with her, knowing fully well that her father's bedroom is next to hers and he will hear the slightest sound.
if her father is liberal (a quality of degeration of moral compass), you will not allow that for your daughter, if you are a father, since you are a conservative, family morality man? i laugh at you in lagos language (whatever it is).

like i have severally asserted my own core beliefs and convictions come directly from the bible no more no less as far as my bible is concerned as soon as my girl friend's parents accept me and give me permission to marry their daughter including their blessings,we are as good as married,the rest of the ceremonies are just that ceremonyso she is not a casual girlfriend but my wife since i have fulfilled these secondly i would not leave my own house and then go over to sleep over at my girlfriend's house talk less of in the same room

nopuqeater:
if this is how you think, is it not obvious that all your value is upside down if you say Muhammad (AS) was a stable boy just before he married Khadijah (RA)? i hope you dont smoke herbs, because your statement is providing a window to such a view? Muhammad who wasa successful trader before he got married. it was his success that got the attention of Khadijah, a thorough business woman, who saw a way to improve her success. was a trade the same as stable boy? if this is the case, then a hotelier is the same as house keepers of the hotel ( i read your past posts).

mohammaed was a stable boy before he got married to khadijat ,let me ask you where did they meet then if he wasnt a stable boy
if mohammad was a sucessful trader how come they were suffering ,for want of food and the basic stuffs when they first got to medina??surely he wouldhave had a ot of money and not resort to raidings to survive khadijat was the mugun that paid for the invention and running of islam in the early mednan and meccan stages untill mohammad started to make his own money through the raidings and stuffs

nopuqeater:
@godSON: i doubt if you know what manhood means. even if your wife is the wealthiest and most powerful person on earth, as a man, you should struggle for independence, hold down a job and maintain the house according to your ability. thats a man's responsibility. the reason that Muhammad (as) was still the provider, even with all the wealth of Khadijah, which was why he worked, traded and did business with Jews, etc.

if a wife after all the husband's responsibilty have been displayed, met to keep the family happy, wishes to put a million USD on the table, every week to live in the lap of luxury, that will be her choice, a sadaqah on her part.

the independence of man to carry his weight is so important that the share of inheritance is twice that of his sister, then he is supposed to provide for his sister, and women folks from what he has.

you dont know this? i think you are one of these men who take money from women. we call people like you gigolos.

i understand you but i am not a gigolo neither do i need to be because i have my means of livelihood which mohammed didnt have .he didnt have a career but a job(big difference)hence the wealthy woman coming into his life would have been a godsent this .
you say mohammad acted in complete independence,however have you considered why mohammad never married another wife nor indulge in all the sxual vices he was later known for untill the deeath of khadijat??i bet your manly prie and chauvinistic stance will not let u even consider that your almighty mohammad could have been financially sponsored by his wife

nopuqeater:
the likes of Mr. davidylan and godSON2009 will never see anything wrong in the loss of lives of muslims; innocent children and women and non aggressive males. their crime is simply because they are muslims.

as a christian i condemn any act of violence or bloodshed irrespective of where it is from or upon whom,can u say the same for yourself/religion

nopuqeater:
muslims can condemn the acts of evil committed by muslims for as long as islam is unpopular and militarily and ecomonically weak and disunited, islam is an evil religion for daring to stand alone in its conviction that there is no God but Allah Alone, deserving all worships.

i agree with everything you have said here but islam is not economically weak neither is allah GOD,he was and is still is a pagan god worshpped by gullibles

nopuqeater:
the future belongs to Allah, Alone Who decides what is to come; just the same way He by the earthquake in Chile changed the shape of the earth, the speed of the earth rotation, providing a slight difference of how much time is a day, now, different from what it used to be, therefore weakening the 1 day that the Bible people said that was lost and that their Bible accounted for. how do they now in 50 years, just a fraction of 5000 years explain more than a day in time that would have been lost or somehow recovered?

how can the future belong to allah,when he is not even capable of taking care of the past and present?? as for the rest of your geographic or scientific analysis i dont get the relevance,

nopuqeater:
the disbelievers plan, and Allah Plans. But Allah is the Best of Planner, Whose Plan shall always prevail.

if we were to go stictly by evidence both past and present,your allah isnt just a bad planner,but he/she hasnt got the faintest clue on how to plan how else would you explain the contradiction in your book of confusion,the bloodshed even till the present date irrespective of anybody's views of christianity even atheists acknowledge that the plans as laid out in the bible several hundreds/thousand years ago is still very relevant and still acting as a catalyst for growth

muhsin:
Hi there,

Davidylan, none of your ranting surprise me over that Jos killing, wallahi. What did you say when Muslims were also killed in Kuru in the same Jos? Are their lives not lives? You and other world shameless Christians are nothing more than shallow-thinkers! I don’t support what was done by allegedly those Fulanis but the brouhaha that follows that is very amazing and funny.

Other comments are not worthy replying.

in other words you are justifying the reprisal mayhem?

nopuqeater:
i laugh in the face of this man in igbo language. he is so busted that he is playing fast and loose with information; Jesus he will be back before his disciples died off! whats the need for interpretation in that? are you reading the Bible upside down, mr man? did Jesus fulfilled his promise? if jesus said this and he failed, as he did not return during the lifetime of those he mad that commitment to, and yet even now, he has not returned, then my statement is that God Almighty has confounded the liars to write it so, in order that their lord will found out to be a liar, or was it the Bible writer that lied, just the same way that they lied about "Comforter", instead of a man, but taken as a ghpst who has no form and no voice.

good night. i hope you dream about the gods (the Trinity) that you worship and the Comforter, the holy ghost. it will be a crowd in your dream, i imagine.

it is obvious that you have no substantial issue left to debate with,hence rather than critically responding to the pertinent issues you brough up and i countered, you have resorted to face saving pettiness just so you dont let the side down.
i have raised pertinent issues for you to address chief of which is the main question i asked you so that i can trap you but you have refused to answer and ran away from it.

do you believe in the second part of john 14 if you do how about the first part?
if you believe the second part then surely you must believe the first part which is in same chapter thereby nullifying your assertions.
if you dont then there is nothing more to be said really which is it sire

Centkaycee:
You said you are GODSON2009, but you don't seem to know God. Shame, I pity the irony of this your name. Flesh and or canality can never reveal or help your little understanding about the things of the SPIRIT. You are one of the people who are led astray like a sheep to the slaughter. No wonder you backslade when you found it difficult to live a righteous life. you claim you have seeing eyes but you see signs of danger yet you fall into a pit. Who bewitched you to have believed that the so called prophet T.B Joshua is of God.

"Let me take your unbelieving heart to the scritural truths"

In Matthew 7:21-23==> Not everyone that saith unto me , Lord, Lord, shall inherit the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven.

Verse 22. "MANY" will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name have done many wonderful works - of righteousness and alms?
Verse 23. And then will "I" say unto them, "I" never know you: depart from me, you workers of iniquity.

first of all i am sure you are equally aware that the same bible expressly forbids christians not to judge others.without knowing me or my religious convictions you have judged me based on a couple of comments and you assert the title of a christian to yourself does that make any meaning to you sire??

when i started reading the preamble leading to the bible verse,i though there was a fundamental issue of truth you wanted to highlight to me, however,i was really dissappointed in you when i saw the verses you have quoted.

before i re iterate my stance on the issue of tb joshua,i must stress that i am not a member of his church,i have never been,and there is little chance of ever being one unless the lord leads me to do so.
now i will ask you a direct question,show or post conclusive proof that the man is not of GOD!!!!THIS SHOULD BE VERY EASY SEEING AS YOU HAVE CONCLUDED AND ARE SURE HE IS ONE.
once you do that,then i will accept that the general biblical verses pointing to fake prophets actually aply to him.
i dont know if he is a man of GOD or not,but one thing my beleive in christ as a born again christian tells me is that the lord knows.
secondly while i cannot stick my neck out and accuse a man of GOD without proof,i know for sure being resident abroad that tb joshua is probably the only nigerian or african man of GOD that white black mixed e.t.c people have spoken about to my hearing with reverence and a sincere desire to visit his church and partake of his ministry,i have met groups of white middle class students both male and female who have told me more about tb joshua than i a fellow nigerian even knows about,
in an era where bringing out a green passport attracts stares,prejudice bias from foreigners i believe rather than castigating the man without proof,we should be praying for more people like that who will potray nigeria and nigerians in a positive light

@poster
is this what the christianity that the likes of brother stephen died for has become??
is this what the christianity that the likes of apostle paul,peter e.t.c all suffered untold torture,imprisonment and personal suffering has become??
read all you have written as evidence to malign the man's name on a site frequented by thousands of people who would have read your comments and figure it out if it is fair.

i am neither a member of his church,neither do i need any miracle or healing from him thank GOD but even the law says that "he who asserts must also proof" if you have conclusive evidence that he is not of GOD,then post it on here for a reasoned and criticall exploration and debate from everybody,you dont just wake up one day and write libelous and damaging stuffs about anybody least of all a man of GOD.
if you really are a born again and broken christian which i seriously doubt by your assertions,you will realise that before one can make weighty allegations of these sort against anybody least of all a man of GOD,you will need to show more conclusive evidence than open ended and nebuluos assertions it is really sad that christianity has come to this

GODSON2009:
@nopuqueater
arrogance of ignorance. if muhammad (as) conferred prophethood upon himself, what was the need to wait till he was 40, instead of say the age of strenght between 25 and 35? afterall, jesus conferred godship on himself between 30 and 33 or maybe younger? i laugh at you in your mother tongue, whatever it is, godson. yet khadijah (ra) took him to waraqah ibn naf, the christian who said what he said. i think you should read what waraqah a true christian said about what muhammad (as) was about to become. that statement renders all you silliness as pure rubbish.

simple!the reason was because mohammed didnt aquire any political and military power of note till he got to medina no?
he was operating in mecca from a position of weakness,so he had to bide his time if he wanted to live to be in his fifties. jesus chirt on the other hand came on a divine aunction unlike your man made religion who cares about what some random person said,i will believe you if you show me waraqah in the bible if not please keep it to yourself,i can pay any homeless christian on the street 20 pounds to shout alahu akbar loooool so thats what you consider as irrefutable proof??looooooool

GODSON2009:
neither of these people's name appeared in the Quran as a protector of Muhammad and the muslims. we knw by ahadith that abitalib was a protector. khadijah was never a protector. you are now the one who lacks full knowledge, in the same fashion as the biblical Jsus, your god.

was he protected by his uncle abu talib yes or no??simply refute my particular statement and stop your needless yapping,why should i be concerned what is in the quran or hadiths when i am not a muslim neither would i ever be till i die? lacking knowledge is if i assert falsehood like you have been doing about christianity however foreever keep silent if i am telling the truth that is contained in either the quran or reputable hadiths

GODSON2009:
Muhammd did not leave Makka immediately his wife and or his uncle died. another person protected him, even after the death of his uncle. by the Quran and the ahadith, we know that Muhammad (as0 waited for revelation for his ZHijr, since many hijra were already made by the muslims, twice to Ethiopia and later the steady streaming of muslims to Madina from Makka. Islam of Muhammad was 13 years in makka before his own Hijr.

whatever all i know is that the meccans in spite of his pouring vitriol on them did not do anything to him untill he committed a treeasonable offence o trying to bring in forein invaders which is when they sought to kill him and he fled to medina so the rest of the paparazi u r chattn s got nothing to do with me outside of the fact i have just written

GODSON2009:
your point is so weak, since we saw that Baghirah the monk warned his uncle about the harm that could befall him, if he was taken to Syria as a young boy of say 8 or 9.

direct question was his life sought after the death of those two people or notsimple!

GODSON2009:
ridiculous ypothesis. a woman is still gender restricted even now, and in the days of Muhammad it was not different, since while Khadijah was banished to outside the city limit of Makka along with the rest of the Muslims, until the oath posted on the wall of Makka came out as it did, which was how the banishment of the muslims ended. you dont know that, or you are selective in your memory, just like Jesus of the Bible; sometimes he was god, other times he was just a prophet, yet at another a son of

again ignoring the irrelevance you have written a direct question was khadijat wealthy considerably and influential or not?yes or no
did mohammed enjoy of her wealth as a result of their union or not or he continued working as a stable boy after marriage??

GODSON2009:
except that his wife did not protect him. why pass lies as truth godson? and a wife as president or vice president still the wife of the husband. or in your world, she becomes your husband and you are the one now wearing the skirt?

i asked a direct question and you are answering with some irrelevance, if your wife was wealthy and influential and u were not or waqs a stable boy will you spend out of your wife's resources or you wont simple and direct!!

@GODSON2009: « #41 on: March 03, 2010, 01:46 PM »

arrogance of ignorance. if muhammad (as) conferred prophethood upon himself, what was the need to wait till he was 40, instead of say the age of strenght between 25 and 35? afterall, jesus conferred godship on himself between 30 and 33 or maybe younger? i laugh at you in your mother tongue, whatever it is, godson. yet khadijah (ra) took him to waraqah ibn naf, the christian who said what he said. i think you should read what waraqah a true christian said about what muhammad (as) was about to become. that statement renders all you silliness as pure rubbish.


neither of these people's name appeared in the Quran as a protector of Muhammad and the muslims. we knw by ahadith that abitalib was a protector. khadijah was never a protector. you are now the one who lacks full knowledge, in the same fashion as the biblical Jsus, your god.

Muhammd did not leave Makka immediately his wife and or his uncle died. another person protected him, even after the death of his uncle. by the Quran and the ahadith, we know that Muhammad (as0 waited for revelation for his ZHijr, since many hijra were already made by the muslims, twice to Ethiopia and later the steady streaming of muslims to Madina from Makka. Islam of Muhammad was 13 years in makka before his own Hijr.

your point is so weak, since we saw that Baghirah the monk warned his uncle about the harm that could befall him, if he was taken to Syria as a young boy of say 8 or 9.

ridiculous ypothesis. a woman is still gender restricted even now, and in the days of Muhammad it was not different, since while Khadijah was banished to outside the city limit of Makka along with the rest of the Muslims, until the oath posted on the wall of Makka came out as it did, which was how the banishment of the muslims ended. you dont know that, or you are selective in your memory, just like Jesus of the Bible; sometimes he was god, other times he was just a prophet, yet at another a son of

except that his wife did not protect him. why pass lies as truth godson? and a wife as president or vice president still the wife of the husband. or in your world, she becomes your husband and you are the one now wearing the skirt?

nopuqeater:
@godson: « #38 on: March 02, 2010, 07:22 PM » your lies are appauling. there is no place in the Quran that khadijah is mentioned. if you know, please show it to us.

well then i guess khadijat doesnt exist then right??lol neither was she rich nor influential and neither did she meet and marry mohammad when he was a stable boy, ok

nopuqeater:
you must be a bleeding liar. show us in the ahadith where Khadijah protected Muhammad and the muslims, a group that she herself is a member? supporter should not be interpreted as protector, unless the said supporter has the power to protect.

she was a member by default seeing as her toyboy younger gigolo husband was the president of the new religion incoporated called islam and she protected her husnad with her money and influence,i have no time for your infantille games just tell me if this assertions are lies or figments of my imagination
1.she met mohammad when he was a stable boy
2.she was a woman of considerable wealth and influence
3.she supported her husband in every way shape and form
how exactly do you protect if i may ask,by speaking an helpful word is a form of protection or do you think it is only when she carries a sword?

nopuqeater:
we know that Muhammad (as) was also protected by others, but there is that bold statement from you that Khadijah protected him, and you have the burden of proof.

she married him when he was at the lowest point financially so unless you are telling me that mohammad never touched a red cent of her money then what is your point??that is a form of protection without even looking at any other wayshe protected him

nopuqeater:
Muhammad was independently wealthy before they were married.

really??i didnt know stable boys got paid that much, i must look into going to saudi as a stable boy

nopuqeater:
it is not unheard of, even today that some wives are more successful than their male spouses. that will not deter from the male role as the husband. you dont know anything about it, or you are just being dishonest? i wonder if there is a male virgin at 25 in any society, attractive, with high morall compass, and when he married, it was to a 40 year old woman, twice married, and obviously not a virgin, yet thsi powerful woman knew her role well as a wife, irrespective of the age difference? you have any opinion of why Muhammad (as) though employed by her, still provided all the needs of the household, except that it is by devine injuction and or good morality of a man who knows his role as the husband?

how did you come by these lofty utopian surmissions,did mohammad catalogue all this in the quran or you conjured it out of your head because i will like you to post where these assertions are in the book of confusion quran why wont a 40 years old woman obey him??how many 25 yrs old yung men married old cargos i bet she will do anything to keep the young virile man she has as a husband how did you know mohammad provided all the household stuffs were you there??

nopuqeater:
ibet if it was you or any of your ilk that married such a woman, your empty male arrogance of being younger, if only that will subjugate the woman to the point that that she will know that she is almost worth(less) in the relationship, as she is no more 25 years old, with all the perkiness of youth.

we dont mistreat women,that is the exclusive preserve of muslims as evidenced in your quran

nopuqeater:
and the same muhammad (as) did not keep a good nature with his older wife Khadijah (ra) as in your not rocking te boat statement because it was khadijah that initially proposed and you must know by now that the virgin Aisha (ra) had co-wives, though she was extremely younger and from an equally affluence family enviroment.

of course she is the old cargo who saw a young boy that she wanted as a toyboy,she got waht she wanted and he got what he wanted money influence and power

as usual the moslem man had to retreat with his tail between his legs due to the his inability to mount any serious retort to the comments i posted lol
as for your last two comments i will take them one after the other for a bit of clarity.
first of all i must make it clear to you that i personally do not use the anti muslim or anti christian or anti anything websites simply because they tend to be heavily subjectiverather being rational but stating incontrovertible facts the anti christian ones are most likely to be run by islamist fundamentalist while the anti muslim ones are most likely run by neo conservative pentecostals or zionist neither of which i am a part of.i am simply a born again and broken christian by the grace of GOD and i try my best to live my life simply by the words,edicts of the bible no more no less i am not interested in conspiracy theories.

in addressing you comments

1.if you check the first issue you raised you are both contradicting yourself and also using the same jesus as some sort of validation i asked you a direct question and you cowardly refused to answer.do you believe in the second part of john chapter 14 assuming that we both agree mohammed was the one being reffered to there?? it is very important you answer pls
in addressing the first part,i have severally said to you that a literal translation of the words jesus spake is nt the way christians interprete the bible,i told you to check the difference between literal and figurative translations.
as for the holy spirit,where exactly di jesus say that the holy spirit will be a man??
either you or your other islamist friend in the other thread not sure have asked me the functions of the holy spirit as per john 14 compared to the holy ghost and i have catalogued the functions i have told you that the holy spirit came down as jesus was going up to heaven and the evidence of the holy spirit still abound toda in the contemporary church. as per literal or figurative translations which i have asserted,the bible abounds with the sayings and teachings of jesus christ rich in parables and indiret ways of putting points across so i am not making a wild assertion that isnt in the bible.

if you know that it is possible for the verse to be interpreted to mean that there isnt a time limit isnt it then a moot point??

you are totally wrong sire,may of them stayed in jerusalem because of the promise of the holy spirit as foretold,it has absolutely nothing to do with the second coming secondly if you check and study the bible you will realise that most of the early or first christians were jews anyway it was later that the apostles started to actively evangelise and bring the gentiles into the fold in fact this issue caused an argument between peter and paul and the jews traditionally are resident in jerusalem.

again this is a misconception on your part,the time is short and the subsequent reference to the later verse that the world is ebbing away is said in the context preachers will preaqch telling us that we should repent before it is too late neither apostle paul nor any man or woman of GOD knopws when the trumpet wil sound other than that it will be sudden and anytime hence the rason they say time is running short.

you need to back the last assertion up with proof from the bible before i can believe i dont comment on open ended and vague comments

nopuqeater:
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@godSON2009: and you dock the paddy adenuga issue and his mother versus his father and his father's Chief Operating Officer. typical.while i read your calibrations, you did excellently for the ignorants, not the muslims who see your poor attemps in weak scholarship; what did the Ghost do as per the instructions of Jesus? better question, since you seem not to be able to navigate it this way; did the Ghost fulfil the role of the comforter as Jesus outlined it, beforehand? please post the 4 or 5 functions and identities specific to the Comforter, then match it with the the Ghost and its appearance on the day of "penticost."

the holy ghost/spirit came as the comforter,if you read the bible jesus christ foretold the coming of the comforter idont need to quote that bible verse as i am sure you know it seeing as it is one of you muslim's favourite verses to fraudlently claim a dubious kinship and connection with us lol,and as soon as jesus christ ascended into heaven the holy spirit came in form of tongues of fires and landed on the group of believers reffered to as the first set of christians and they began to speak in diverse tongues the relevance of the biblical verse will be lost on you that is why i am not even stressing myself to look for it.
the holy spirit did not need to perform these functions because jesus christ was around,if you read the earlier verses in john jesus christ said that the comforter wil come only when he had left as a replacement.
1.the counselor the holy spirit-as you can see jesus christ even said the holy spirit.the function is imparting the annointing upon men and women of GOD,it counsels not just we christians from our conscience"the still small voice" on the right way to go,doing right and rejecting wrong if you meet holy,sanctified and annointed men and women of GOD who prophecy the holy spirit tells them what to do and how to do it,the holy spirit speaks the heart of GOD
2.TEACHING-if you connect this to the five fold ministry which apostle paul talks about the holy spirit helps the teacher of the word in impartation of the word of GOD,or the mind of GOD.
3-reminding us of all he has taught-THIS PARTICULAR FUNCTION HAS NULLIFIED ANY DUBIOUS CLAIM THE MUSLIMS MIGHT HAVE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY TEACHINGS of jesus christ that you do not believe in for instance jesus christ said that we should pray by saying "our father which art in heaven, " do you believe this?
4-the holy spirit also brings forth miracles,signs and wonders
5-the holy spirit causes christians to speak in tongues
i could write a 5000 words essay for you on the functions of the holy spirit,these have been some out of the many functions of the holy spirit which has been validated and confirmed in several teachings of the apostles later.
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if the characteristics of the Comforter is not what we got from your holy ghost of the speaking in tongue, then it may be true that your ghost is actually the devil, confusing you as he had confused your human god.

[/quote]all i can say is that i pray that the lord will open your eyes of understanding to see and perceive the truths staring you in the face,the functions of the comforter/the holy spirit is the same,look at the ocassion when the holy spirit first came on earth in form of fire and you will see the same reference up untill the end of the bible no contradictions and no mention of mohammad so u r not making any sense sire

nopuqeater:
i am waiting to see you give us a thorough exegese of the holy ghost as the comforter was to speak (audible to his listeners) of what he heartd (audible to him).

again if i did this the relevance would be lost on you seeing as you dont believe in the first place,the holy spirit not only ministers to individuals it speaks into one's spirit i cant give you a thorough exegeses because i am neither a pastor nor a prophet but i can certainly proof that your weak and ineffectual connections of the holy spirit with mohammad who was never holy neither was anything holy ascribed to him isnt true.
[quote author=nopuqeater link=topic=408646.msg5661012#msg5661012 date=1268179882]he was supposed to be seen as he taught, reminded of what was truly teached in the past by Jesus and elevating the image of Jesus (including that of his mother Mary). tell me how the unseen did that.

i will immensely appreciate it if you show me where this falsehood and fallacy you have just written is in the bible, where did the bible say that the holy spirit must stand to teach i will remind you once again for the upteenth time that jesus christ spoke mostly in parables hence majority of his words cannot be taken literally.where is my evidence of this??
it abounds in every single teaching of jesus christ, he said he will build his church where he was standing did he build a physical church
he said he was inside his father and his father inside him?did the disciples see his the picture of GOD inside him??
check john 14 ;12-14 if you believe the 2nd part of chapter 14 was mohammad lets assume that is true do you then believe that you must call upon the name of the lord in order to do anything not allah because that was never his name do you believe jesus christ is the son from what he said with his own mouth
that must have hurt didnt it ??lol

12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

nopuqeater:
even God according to your bible when jesus was being baptised (unheard of in jewish tradition, that being the first)
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what did you expect,did any son of GOD come before jesus christ??

nopuqeater:
the heaven opens (silly hypothesis as if vision can pass beyond the cloud even in a bright sunny afternoon) and a VOICE was heard. now if you people said they heard the voice of God even long before started his preaching of Gospel, who heard that of the "Comforter Ghost"? where can we read what the Ghost said? lol.
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the same way we cannot hear the voice of obatala,sango even though babalawos call upon them and do their occultic stuffs gerrit??
how did mohammad see the vision that started his islamic ministry on the mountain after fasting??that must be a lie as well right??
im sure you will agree with me that i can dignify this infantille comments with any sensible answer

nopuqeater:
and jesus your god worship God Who sent him, all night, even crying, weeping and begging to the point that the disciples made sure it was repeated to you, fake follower!
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this understanding is another evidence of your inherent ignorance of the scriptures sire, he came in form of man a normal human being so he will feel pain,he felt anguish and sorrow like any normal human,he wept e.t.c i will ask you again if you believe in the second part of john 14 then do you believe in the first part and everything jesus said ouch!!

nopuqeater:
you are truly a christian, but not immitating Jesus or his disciples, for sure; Paul made sure you ignore Jesus and the companions.
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i wouldnt judge you by these comments simply because you have neither read the bible nor understood it,i can talk about islam because i have read the quran and hadiths

nopuqeater:
adeboye and your leaders are not believers. they are just like the maharajis of hinduism. and you sir, are their followers in idol worshipping. you need to research about the early christian prayers, in their prostrations as the muslims do. otherwise you will ridicule yourself before all of us here. the coptic monks are earlier christians than you. so are the ethiopians. the more conservatives among them do exactly like muslims, though they mire their worship in idolatory, just like you secular christians.
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i have posted my retorts to this fake falsehood in the other thread go and check it jesus christ prostrated,kneeled,e.t.c to pray show me where else apart from that single place in the whole bible where he prostrated again pastor adeboye that u mentioned including other men and women of GOD have on ocassion prostrated when praying or worshipping GOD are the yoruba dsango and obatala worshippers who prostrate to greet or pay homage to their king muslims too??

nopuqeater:
silly asserions. i am neither gloating or happy about my discussion with you. i know that church, a word that is not nown to the Jews before and during the ministry of jesus will find its ugly head to explain the unexplainables. three days from jewish calender is sundown to sundown, 3 times. pease calculate that by when your jesus was crucified and the alleged ressurrection; friday evening to sunday dawn. if you get three jewish days out of it, then you are a magician, a miracle worker like the rest of your fake televangelists.
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you seem to have some curious aversion for equating jewish laws and customs with every single discussion, when i am in a debate and the other party is digressing i have one trick that has never failed me which is "let us go back to the basics"
do you believe in the sayings of jesus christ in the bible"yes or no if you believe his sayings for instance about the holy spirit and then saying it is mohammad then surely you will believe everything else he says in the same chapter lets even assume the rest of the new testament are lies.if you dont believe a word then that means you have just contraqdicted yourself i dont want long explanations a simple yes or no will do thank you in advance

nopuqeater:
and this naive muslim who follows a dead Muhammad (AS) is teaching you your religion, since you did not know that Jesus said he will return soon enough while his disciples were still alive.
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and i really feel for you because in your forceful islamic way of taking by force or forcing and ramming your opinions down people's throats you seem to have thrown any sensible reasoning down the well do you know the meaning and distinction between literal and figurative explanations??i suggest you goggle it and then apply them to your own way of explaining the bible and how jesus christ was teaching you will be suprised lol

nopuqeater:
you can even tell us what the holy spirit said, a duty that is enjoined on him, according to what Jesus said about him. ridiculously silly. i hat to talk to my elders like this, but i think your lies are very annoying. sorry big brother. lol.
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maybe i am doing so because our bible which mentions the holy spirit also details its functions its funny with the venom you muslims are fighting the truth one will think this holy spirit was mentioned in the quran by mohammad all this by force family na wa o looooool its easy just convert to christianity and accept the lord and you will be enjoying what we r enjoying njow instead of this by force family

nopuqeater:
this guy is asking me to look at synagogue of the jews; they are christians by your own account.
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where exactly did i assert that jews were christians??muslims and falsehood, hmmmn

nopuqeater:
oral roberts the guy who lied to raise money? who is a christian worthy of emulation and i wills how you a buhdist that will do good and will not stoop next to it so that the world can see what he has done. now, the comforter is described by jesus in a particular qualifications; i see you are running away from the discussions of these qualities to be that of the Comforter, diverting to every other directions, instead. typical christians. talk to me from the Bible what are the functions and identity of the Comforter; hearing from God and just repeating it. how did the ghost accomplished this; by miiming like marseille, marseille of the broadway fame?
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i have done that and i will even go further to proof this by old and contemporary examples from me and women of GOD, rather than christians i want you to show me a frontline world renowned muslim who extols these qualities maybe about 4 of them and i will be quiet its suprising you can show me buddist but u didnt say moslems
i challenged you to check the miracles of john g lake but you ignored that it was recorded in american medical journals is that enough proof for you?

nopuqeater:
poor understanding fella! today, around the world there are still miracles happening in the lives of muslims. there are means of miracles in our lives; Zam zam water, is one. i do not have to spend so much time talking from miracles which you know nothing about.
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really??im really interested in knowing please pleeeease who are the moslems doing the miracles where are they and who knows them
where is the zam zam water and does the miracles have scientific backing like that of john g lake
have these moslems done visual miracles like healing the handicapped,blind deaf in thousands like john g lake again proven by doctors? zam zam indeed maybe you meant a nigerian brand of bottled water lol

nopuqeater:
people are assumed to have died and they wake up just in time; maybe they are son of god, like Jesus was? and by the way, if you know where allah that you claim that i worship is buried, i will like to visit it, while i now where Muhammad (as) is certainly bured. i think you are struggling to make him allah, but Allah is ever watching over all creations.
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he is dead and buried and the proof is the coldness in your religion,all you moslems do is a ritualistic day to day function for want of a better word no fire no miracles no new insightful impartation the same thing done in saudi is the same in somaliae.t.c if that allah was alive then why has he not shown his manifestations since all these years for everyone to see not just moslems,jesus said that miracles shall be wrought in his name men of GOD all over the world are doing so and it is happening again g lake is an example your turn!!looool

nopuqeater:
is there a man of God in christianity or you mean man of gods?
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there are many men of GOD sire,that assertion shopuld be thrown back at you seeing i do not bow my head down for any entity or human being i can pray to my GOD upright kneeling any way with my head held high not bowing down for an idol or for the sun five times a day then the moon and then sacrificing a ram

nopuqeater:
if you did not even know that just because jesus did not have a father, and that he called himself son just as all the jews before him and even during his time, and even now the christians, that jesus is not God or Son since either would have brought God Almighty from His Unique Qualities to that of ordinary men, yet you know that these other prophets did not die, a factor that defies logic, arent they in essence higher than jesus who at least died by your own account (my account he fainted out of exhaustion)? i believe therefore that adam, noah, ibrahim, isaac, jacob, joseph, david, solomon, zacharaiah, john who died were not prophets, like muhammad? good thinking man.
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simple sire he said that no one comes to the father,except through him meaning no other way second he said that use my name in doing miracles and it will happen he also said that he is the son of GOD check the other thread where i posted the bible verses so you are4 either naively ignorant of these verses or you did not get the essence or the explanations.
even though the biblical accounts showed that he died,or your own doctored accounts he came in human form and he ascended into heaven supernaturally like elijah and enoch both prophets in the old testament john the baptist amongst others also fore told and acknowledged his pre eminence mohammad was an ordinary man who made no attempt to live an exemplary life either in conduct or comportment.

nopuqeater:
sire [son? this dude thinks am a jesus of the bible follower]. there is no lie in slam; we know there is only One GOd and He has a proper Name; Allah. thats different from your claimed one God but different personalities or persons; jesus, ghost and father. that cant add up to one.
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no sire,you worship the sun,you worship the moon you sacrifice rams to them and you worship graven image the kaaba you proudly show the symbol of your gods on your minarets

nopuqeater:
authentic hadith is in agreement with the Quran. really. did you see the qualifier; authentic?
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how convenient authentic hadiths looooooool

nopuqeater:
so we said Comforter the spirit of truth is Muhammad (as). he spoke, he elevated jesus and his mother whom your forebearers the jews called harlot
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really?mohammad must have been a low down liar and betrayer then if he suddenly abrogated all the other verses and then commanded you to slay and behead us christians including the same jews he acknowledged? we know mary was not an harlot and in rare instances where mohammad was truthful he acknowledged it too

nopuqeater:
, he taught new things that jesus could not teached to his weak in faith disciples who one was a betrayal, another a denier, and others doubters (read your bible, am sure you didnt know that. just the same way you didnt know that jesus was reported to have said that he will return during the time of the generation of his disciples).
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we know sire thank you but he never taught christians anything new,as weak in faith as christians were we had great men of GOD like the apostles who died for this religion as martyres brother stepehn ,while being stoned to death was even asking the lord to forgive his tormentors, that is christianity.
apostle paul,peter e.t.c suffered torture beatings e.t.c for this gospel and apostle peter made up for the lapse in judgement by the thousands of people he converted including his many and wide evangelism our bible says there is now no condemnation in these who were sinners and now repent we dont kill unbeleivers like you moslems we plead with them to come to the lord,confess their sins and be saved

nopuqeater:
when you want to know a relation of one entity to another, you observe the dialogue between them, the way each addresses the other. in the case of your claimed sonship of jesus to God/ Eloi. Yahweh, Jehovah, etc, on the cross, jesus said My God, , and never a time did he say my father. i hope you dont call your father 'my god' when you are in crucial situation with him? if you de, then know that his wife, is the wife of god your father.
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i see what of the several times he called GOD his father?? i guess you were suffering from selective amnesia when you blanked them out but remembered this accounts

nopuqeater:
immaculate conception and that makes him God?
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that isnt what made him GOD,i.e the son of GOD the fore telling of his coming,the confirmation and his works on earth,including the confirmation of the works notably the coming of the hly spirit and i dont mean the armed robber and butcher mohammad

nopuqeater:
then try this for size; a woman who was not born, but came alive as a full grown woman, ready to conceive. thats a bigger awesome event than conception, so she must be higher in rank of Godship than Jesus. okay, in the gender calibration, man is stronger than woman, so we have a man who experienced the same unique awesome miraculous existence. he must be higher than the woman and then for sure higher than jesus, mr. idolworshipper, whats your reason that they are not Gods, do?
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the same reason that mohammad is an ordinary human being who took advantage of a lot of gullible people,they are normal human beings and were not mentioned specifically in my bible

nopuqeater:
you and the bible writer or jesus must be talking from both sides of the mouth, if it is true that Jesus did not want people to adulate and or deitify him; yet he said he was God? you should be ashamed of yourself writing such an utter rubbish. the rest of your statement shows naivete at best.

no sire the difference is that he told his disciples i.e his inner circle the truth,however he shunned undue publicity or adulation which would have distracted him from his mission and which would have allowed the devil to sneak in,when peter diagreed with him that jesus was too great to be cruxified note what he said he turned to peter and rewbuked him severally saying that the devil was using him to speak at that moment,unlike the book of confusion which mohammad left you without any guide or counsel the bible is constant and never changes even the bible inself throw this challenge when the bible said the word of GOD is one and that it will and can never change anything that changes including prophecies is a lie so if a prophet tells me to marry toyin in uk and another tells me to marry shola in nigeria one of them is lieing that is how straight the bible is shalom

Suhaibu:
Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven; the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws: Mathew 5:17-20 reads:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

i am sorry but i think you seem to have your wires crossed here,its really bemusing to me that on one hand muslims reject the totality of the new testament preffering the old testament,however i guess someone must have read and re read the bible and realised that they can get away with a small part of the new testament,dont worry i predict many years from now,muslims worldwide will see the futility of islam and just agree to be christians and believe the whole bible its easier for you if you think about it  
of course he has not come to destroy the older laws,the question you should ask is
what exactly is he trying to fulfill? remember it takes a "fore-telling" for him to "fulfill"? so what exactly is he fullfilling,what has been foretold about him by prophets in the old testament notably john the baptist.
he has come to fullfill his sole mission on earth which is to reconsile us with the ultimate goal of his father, which was sidetracked by adam and eve committing a sin, the notion is  that it wouldnt be fair for us to suffer condemnation for a sin we did not take part in committing hence jesus came to wash the old sins away and then leave on a clean slate so we will have no excuse on the day of judgement
to prove to you that jesus christ meant being born again let us look at the righteousness of the pharisees and the saducees,and the similarities and differences with islam?
the difference is that they are both different religions,including different doctrines e.t.c the similarities however is in the ritualistic mode of worship,intolerance,you both dont believe in jesus christ,you both dont believe in uncondittional love,you are both governed by the law rather than the lord's righteousness,you both spread the falsehood that jesus christ was equated with GOD the purpose of doing so for the saducees and pharisees was to discredic the man and the religion while for muslims mohammad spitting out his bib like a spoilt 2 years old baby because he was not recognised as a prophet e.t.c while being born again entails giving up every single thing and most importantly exceeds the righteousness of the adore mentioned religions

Suhaibu:
These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws? They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”.

you are quite right and we christians thank you for highlighting this pertinent biblical verse,but he has already fullfilled the foretold,he is not fullfilling a law but a prophecy or"fore telling"

Suhaibu:
Jesus teaches the unity of Allah; the oneness of God.

jesus christ never taught the unity of allah sire,that is not only erroneous fabrication the likes of which can only be found in the quran,its funny yopu guys never use buhddism, and other religions to validate your islam just shows the sneaking admiration you have deep down for christianity.like the popular saying the greatest form of complementing is counterfeiting

Suhaibu:
In the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of ll commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”

you are right,the bible even says prior that a christian must never worship or associate any GOD will the almighty,this is why we advise you muslims to stop bowing down to the sun,the moon and the kaaba e.t.c
you are right,"my own GOD almighty is one GOD,HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON is a smaller GOD to him and the holy spirit which is leading,encouraging and empowering us contemporary christians in the abscense of the apostles and jesus christ makes the third,yopu can call the holy spirit the managing director

Suhaibu:
Yet, most christians says Jesus is God. It’s an amazing situation.

sire,it is totally unfair to blame your crass ignorance of the scriptures on chrisatians "jesus the SON OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS A SMALLER GOD COMPARED TO HIS FATHER, is paddy adenuga not a general manager same as his father but with less powers??you get the analogy?remember abacha's son using the presidential jet by virture of being the president's son he might be wielding his father's power but he will never contest the fact that he is under the influence of his father

Suhaibu:
Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the messege of Jesus.

again,do you derive some macabre enjoyment in all these blantant lies and falsehoods?how can you make such a blanket statement of falsehood??
we believe we have ONE GOD,the almighty,his son the fact that we believe jesus is the son and the fact that the same son,declared that he has come on earth "TO FULLFILL THE WILL OR THE COMMANDMENT OF HIS FATHER" HE TOLD US IN ANOTHER VERSE THAT HE CAN "INTERCEDE ON OUR BEHALF WITH HIS FATHER, he never said he can command his partner GOD almighty interceding means that he will plead on our behalf, you dont plead with someone you are on equal footing with do you?exactly,

Suhaibu:
Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity!

i will show you trinity once you show me where mohammad or allah was mentioned in the bible fair? he did say he and his father are one,
john 10;30---30I and the Father are one."
john 10;38--38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
that has proved to you that he believed in the one ness of him and his father now i will show you the bible verse where he reffers to the 3rd in the triune the holy spirit,
i just had to quickly show you this verse and how your suicide bombers are killing christians with the hope of fulfilling a religious duty---1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.

7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt  in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

now check these verses and show me which of these functions the holy spirit has not been performing in the contemporary church

Suhaibu:
And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. Infact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being. The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says listen everybody: I am god!
He never make such claims. Infact, he rebukes such claims. In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him:
“Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want to be called good much less god. But did the christians follow this insruction? Not at all! Infact, they called him god. I wonder if jesus was present today how he is gonna react to this blasphemy. Propably too tense.

1st corinthians 10;4----4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ who was christ if he was not reffering to himself

56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
note that he never said "OUR FATHER" ABRAHAM but look at verse 58, how could he have been before abraham if he was not christ,now you tell me what that means sire
i have many you just ask for it and i will oblige you

Suhaibu:
As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah, Jesus explicitly declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my own; but he (God) sent me."
He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

i thank GOD that you have just shot yourself in the foot,so now it is totally obvious that while he reffered to himself as GOD as you can see from the verses posted he acknowledged the supremacy of his father.so what is your point

Suhaibu:
The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message. The bible tells us: quote:
“And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3, and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed (numbers 20:6) and jesus fell on his face and prayed mathew 26:38).
And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though. They have their own kind of worship. Who is really tryin to imitate jesus? Christians or muslims?

again i put it to you sire that you are not correct,first of all prostrating to pray is a sign of acknowledging the pre eminence of whoever you were talking to,are the pre colonial yorubas then muslims or got their inspiration from islam for prostrating to their king and elders?prostrating cuts across all cultures,religions e.t.c secondly why dont you show us jesus christ prostrating to pray EVERYTIME he had to pray, like the confusionists that you muslims are,you look for a random place where he prostrated and tried to over blow it to suit your nefarious purpose.

41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,

so what is your point?? is prostration the exclusive preserve of muslimssire you are hillarious maybe the yorubas should send copyright royalties to saudi arabia each time they prostrate.

there are different ways of praying because the bible says there is liberty in worship here is another form of prayer in 1st timothy,
8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

lastly, modern men of GOD,when overwhelmed by the holy spirit either in worship or intercession prostrate and even roll on the floor does it automaticvally make them muslims? that means pastor adeboye must be a muslim in disguise

Suhaibu:
And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of jesus; it’s the religion consructed about jesus.
The message of jesus is islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son.

im sorry but i will still reiterate that in your haste and earnest wish to validate your fake religion with the truth of jesus christ,you have sought to sacrifice truth for falsehood,but we christians will not allow you to tarnish and turn our bible on its head.
the same way he didnt use the word trinity is the same way he never mentions allah or mohammad or makes any reference to them save ambiguous reference you muslims have sought to make, i have shown you bible verses up there where he explains the notion of trinity and i challenge you to disprove them.he is all of the above and more,

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

i hope i have suceeded in curbing your ignorance of the scriptures sire as all you have written is total falsehood apart from the bible verses you have helpfully posted

Suhaibu:
Infact even his diet isnt christian, jesus’ diet is islamic as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam.

again what the yorubas call "awawi" na today the demonic spirits begged him to send them into the pigs sire there was nowhere he ever enjoins anyone not to eat pig in fact apostle peter was specifically told never to call anything his GOD created unclean in view of my retorts i earnestly believe that jesus christ was never and will never have any association with islam,save the fact that he associated with everybody pharisees,saducees,gentiles,muslims buddists e.t.c
by the way-his message is not only for us christians,it is for islam as well babalawos satanists e.t.c we want you all to give your life to christ as jesus christ himself said the only way to enter into the kingdom of his father is TO BE BORN AGAIN

Suhaibu:
Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message.
The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of mathew:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message. Its like a dialectic between the 2billion christians and jesus.

i would have been abusing and cursing you now if i was a muslim,but i will just patronisingly say that you are sadly mistaken and wrong my friend looool he was making a clear and unambiguous refference to fake prophets and teachers not christians what do you have to say about his assertion that except a m,an be born again,he shall not see the kingdom of GOD BY THE WAY""
IS BEING BORN AGAIN IN THE QURAN?

Suhaibu:
Christians are more concerned with the one who did the preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger.

WE SHOULD BE,CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT APART FROM HIS GRET WORKS,teachings signs and wonders e.t.c his moral uprightness,the frugal austere life he led,intolerance and live full of uncondittional love and devoid of luxurious is worthy of emulation i cannot find any single man of GOD who has being a ble to match living the kind of life jesus christ led.i really feel for you and i understand why you dont see that as important considering that the only single individual you can speak of or look up to namely mohammad,was a man who indulged in serial hedonism,boderline paedophilia,snatched his own step-son's wife loved perfumes food, he robbed and st5ole from innocent maccan traders,he plotted assasinations he killed in cold blood he was intolerant and objectified women so in view of that kind of moral record i understand why you dont seem much to emulate in his life

Suhaibu:
And when this kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play. You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from where it comes from.

again sire i disagree with this falsehood,racial pride and nationalism was never an issue because even though he was born a jew,he said that he came for both gentiles and every single person he never discriminated against anybody and he even consorted with prostitutes remember the parable of the good samaritan,who was thew samaritan that helped the jew?a gentile he was preaching and re iterating the importance of mutual tolerance,peaceful co existence unlike mohammad who preached hatred intolerance and bloodshed that has been plaguing the world ever since, we not only value the message a.k.a the good news we value the man it came from because of his exemplary life both spiritually and morally
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Jesus pray to God; christians pray to jesus. Christianity is a religion of paul constructed against jesus.

[/quote]yes,he prayed to GOD while on earth,and then ascended to meet his father in heaven as soon as he did the same day the holy spirit came like a tongue of fire(the comforter) and descended on the first christians the christians now pray to GOD and if they have to rebuke any unclean or demonic spirit they do it in jesus name l;ike he has said we should do clearly written in the bible
it is the muslims deifying of mohammad that i am at a loss of,if not can you show us a picture of mohammad
why not if you dont see him as your god??it is only GOD who is unseen,so how come you have ascribed that honour to a mere human being mohammad?
hwy do you muslims kill and blow people up when they critisize mohammad,is he not an ordinary prophet?so why kill in his name if you dont see him as a GOD?
you canno9t mention his name without saying (s.a.w)in reverence i can say jesus christ from now till tmorrow without any fear even though i totally respect and acknowledge his pre eminence over me so who exactly is deifying the other? jerry springer potrayed our own jesus christ as gay and wearing nappies,we founf it offensive but we didnt fight or kill because of our convictions that he is perfectly capable to prove himself GOD what do you do when people simply name a teddy bear mohammad in a nursery school?
you call for the woman to be beheaded
[quote author=Suhaibu link=topic=410631.msg5658677#msg5658677 date=1268154023]Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense. Watch my videos:

www.youtube.com/Sohyb09

im sorry sire jesus was never a muslim and could never have been you are on about my own pale,jehovah el shadai,king of kings the rose of sharon,the i am that i am,beginning and the end algbada ina alawotele oorun my king of kings who is onderful,two deful threedeful in fact uncountabledaful abeg o re package mohammad if you are looking for a new role model no one forced him to live the kind of life that he ledxxshalom

Dolemite:
What are these 'fruits' you speak of? Miracles? the devil can do those, prophecies? devil aced that test. . .what else? that's all he does isn't it?

now who is turning the bible upside down??the fruits of the spirit are the criteria apostle paul listed in order to recognise a real man of GOD that is precisely why i publicly challenged you to show conclusive proof that tb isnt a man of GOD,as far as the bible is concerned he fullfilled these criteria plus the fact that he is generous,he takes care of widows and the less priviledged,he calls on the name of the lord and never ascribes any of his miracles to himself or any other god,he is humble from many accounts of him even helping out physically carrying bags of rice,blocks with his followers e.t.c
so now show us that he is fake,unless you are just making an empty assertion devoid of any substance

Dolemite:
That was directed at you as a warning, trying to turn the bible upside down. . .

well then i guess the onus is on you to read that bible verse as a warning as well, remember where the bible warns us never to judge?especially when we dont have any proof

@poster

Kay 17:
Christians, generally believe that humans are incapable of creating a perfect society and only the Hand of God can create such a paradise. why then is Bakare on a vain journey? if he is seeking for perfection, he should jump into the lagoon or shoot himself and see the heaven he has always talked about.

please refrain from making sweeping general statements and generalisations about a demographic, also you seem to either be part of the political class or benefitting from the loot or else you wouldnt feel this personal about an upright and brave man of GOD who has decided to stand up and be counted. however commenting on your particular comment i guess the question is why shouldnt he be involved??

apart from the fact that leaders of faith wield a lot of influence in the life of their adherents in whatever faith,they have a stake in the society in which they live in because they are responsible to a lot of people.
also,even in biblical times in the old testaments,there are many accounts of prophets of GOD confronting kings,queens and eminent people even at the risk of death on their unGODLY behavious and actions.
i am sorry but it is these sort of"GOD DEY" attitudes from nigerians like you that has allowed the status quo to remain like this since independence.
and one fact i know is that many centuries from today,when ever his name is mentioned in the history books posterity will judge him as one of these who stood up on the side of the masses against the corruption and looting

chakula:
@godson,
but i pity you a day that jesus denied you and takecare on his people(jew),who is your seviuor on that day?

the same way mohammad has denied you and left you to fend for yourselves with only an old tattered copy of the quran and hadiths to keep you company.
he was so selfish that he didnt even leave instructions on who will suceed him,maybe because he started to believ he was "a real prophet" causing muslims to kill muslims so who denied who

if the sultan thinks he has made a sensible statement,then he is deluded beyong human comprehension.
what has he done to rehabilitate,educate and re house the almajiris in his domain who the fifth columnists use for this dastardly deeds
what has he done in using his subjects to reach the villages,towns hamlets especially near the borders to report any suspicious movement to the relevant authorities??
what has he done to justify the salary being paid him and the contracts,oil blocs e.t.c as the sultan of the northern establishment?
what has he done to extend his "peaceful humanitarian "religious convictions to the displaced and the wounded people in jos??

instead he is accusing america of what does not even concern him in the first place,he should leave foreign affairs to middle east and the western world,and face his own business.
he should remove the log in his eyes before pointing to the speck internationally, no wonder royal fathers are treated like civil servants these days

Dolemite:
This is why paul would never have told people to judge men of God by their prophecy;
Acts 16:16-18:

16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. 17 She followed Paul and us, crying out, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation." 18 And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very hour. (ESV)

obviously no one will judge a man of GOD by solely prophecies but it is not only a big chunk of it,but the wholistic view as well,if you saw a man of GOD wearing a babalawo's attire or playing obesere and daddy showkey in church,obviously no one will stay no matter the annointing he carries
this event has contradicted your point below??according to you any spirit which does not acknowledge that jesus is from GOD is evil,however this diviner not only acknowledge but was even proclaiming it for many days, a simplistic explanation like you have given is not the way to recognise a true prophet or man of GOD, the bible says by their fruits, the fruits means "fruit of the spirit or spiritual gifts" read 1st corinthians 12; 1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit if you read the chapter to the end,you will see the explanations concerning the fruit of the spirit now check romans chapter 12
by the way,i hope you realise that apostle paul himself did not have any idea what kind of spirit was inside the girl,untill the lord revealed it to him or do you reckon he would have condoned an evil spirit day and night for several days??

Dolemite:
You see paul already had an experience where the devil prophecied accurately, i don't think he would then go on to tell people that if a man gives an accurate prophecy he is of God, bullshit! the devil can also give good prophecies.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God

nobody has made any statement here saying that prophecy is the sole determinant of a true man of GOD when we all know babalawos too do prophecy we are talking about a specific man of GOD pastor tb joshua,but as far as we are both concerned unless you are privy to some hidden information devoid of media hype and innuendoes pastor tb joshua stands to be a prophet of GOD, the bible says that by their fruits ye shall know them as far as i can see even though i have never been to the church he appears to be a true man of GOD BY HIS FRUITS.

Dolemite:
the bible can be twisted to a thousand interpretations, but when you start adding to it, it's actually deadly. . .

not relevant as no one has done this

Dolemite:
Revelation 22:18-19 “For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

not relevant to this discourse as well

nopuqeater:
@godSON2009: « #13 on: Yesterday at 05:57:17 PM » please calibrate what each did for us to see. just to torment you alittle, from the Bible, we read the quality of what jesus of the holy spirit/comforter that was to come. please show me a book like the gospel where the works, saying, teaching and voice of the spirit/comforter can be read! your empty statement will have to have meat around it, before we take it as you take the gospel of jesus, even though we see lies in the mist!

you have asked me to calibrate what jesus came on earth to do,and where the holy spirit as the comforter took over from,on one hand and already you have pre-judged my comments lol what a shame i will show you such a book in the bible as soon as you show me where the bible specifically mentions mohammad's name as the comforter in same details as it describes jesus even in the old testament.in answer to the question above,

John 6:38-40: "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
he came to do that and after he died for us something symbolic happened, mathew 27;51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom meaning that he had not only come to die for our sins and reconsile us with the purpose of his father GOD almighty,he has come to remove render the functions of the priest and the holy of holies useless hence the symbolic tearing of the temple curtains.
16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. (this is the verses you muslims fraudulently assert as validation however note the last part, is mohammad still with us still?the holy spirit is still with us,and making signs and wonders happen even till today

nopuqeater:
show me a book, instead of empty blanketted statements! the sins of adam and the blame it on even, which are forever a stain on you, unless you are a dishonest man who intentionally forgot the consequences in the Bible!

what book exactly?my only ultimate believe and unshakeable convictions is in thew holy bible,if whatever you want to know is in there within my own understanding i will only comment based on that,the proof of the holy spirit within us has been proven beyond anything simply by the miracles,signs and wonders that abound unless you r saying they are fake,then we can talk about scientific validations
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my head was never in the sand (and you say you do not abuse anyone; liar),

[/quote]that wasnt an abuse,i was stating a fact based on what you have written,if i said there was no GOD,then calln me a fool is in order because every religious texts agrees on this point,what you wont catch me doing is swearing or pouring vitriol on anyone.
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except that i want you to tell us how you must worship that God everyday. How did jesus worship God, versus how you do, now? who is right; and we know Jesus prostrated his face, and worship his Lord, many times at night, as he demostrated it in the garden of gashemane. now that your mode of worship is different, do you get that from the Ghost/Comforter? show me where I can read it!
[quote]

this is a kindergaten or sunday school question how can you ask me how to worship GOD everyday?? a son does not have to worship his father sire,he obeys him,he reverences him but not worship.we worship GOD and his son jesus christ because we are on a lower scale to him.
so what if jesus prostrated you muslims?? you never give up do you?? does it mean that pastor adeboye is now an imam when he is overwhelmed by the holy spirit and prostrates?? or when my pastor prostrates and rolls on the floor while praisng GOD or praying in vigils n stuffs, again i will show you where the bible talks about how to pray,if you show me the different places jesus prayed like a muslim, for me to believe it must be very often and must have done it if not all the time almost all the time fair enough??

nopuqeater:
your thinking is like the thinking of a teacher who was telling his people that if God is not visible, then he does not exist. buyt God gave a pupil wisdom to ask the class if they see the brain of the teacher, which they said no. then the conclusion is the same the teacher, ms. beautiful does not have a brain, too. the difference here with your Spirit/Comforter which you said was not a human being was that Jesus said (unless you wanna say that he was a liar?) the people will hear the voice, see and will only say what he was told and glorify jesus reminding them the truth about him, as well as teach new things. now tell me, did the ghost do any of these and did anyone see him? Jesus said that he will return to his community before long. unfortunately the bible writers forgot that the disciple are all dead close to 200 years now, and Jesus had not returned! you have a problem, man.

you are totally right(im sure you r suprised now yea? lol) but why dont you ask real bible believing christians how the holy spirit works??
1st example-if you were tempted to steal some meat in the pot of soup,something tells you not to do it that still small voice, that is the holy spirit.
2nd example-men and women of GOD will lay hands on people and they will fall down,that is annointing produced by the holy spirit.
3 casting out of demons in jesus name-that is another function of the holy spirit
4 spe4aking in tongues and interpreting another function of the holy spirit
5 prophecying another one
i could go on and on,if you look at these functons,you will realise that they including other functions i have not mentioned here are effectively leading the church,guiding and protecting the church e.t.c do you think anyone will be in synagogue if there were no miracles/or redeemed if there were no casting outs e.t.c showing that the holy spirit is helping the church in the functions of jesus christ, if you read the acts of the apostles even apostle paul,peter e.t.c all acknowledged the work of the holy spirit in evangelism

nopuqeater:
your lying heart will not let you speak the truth! annexed are biblical verses where your human god Jesus said he will be returning even while his disciples are still alive, and paul was not one of them. you need to quit lying, man: Matthew 16:28, in which he says "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Another example is found at Luke 21:32, where he says "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." He makes similar statements in Luke 9:27 and Mark 9:1.

im sure you are probably thinking you got him in a choke hold now lol but the bible and jesus christ is not on the same league as mohammad who contradicted himself lol
the reference to the son of man coming in his kingdom should not be taken in its literal translation,in short it means his kingdom coming with great power on the day of pentecost, the day of pentecost according to us christians is nsomewhat the first day of proper christianity because that was the day the holy spirit came down ,the first time GOD trnasferred the ersthwile chrstlike powers and annointing upon us mere human beings, in order for you to see that you dont inter pret the bible literally check the same chapter in verse 18 that on this rock will i build my church, did jesus christ get builders to start erecting a physical church before he died or was he a pastor of a church?
when he said that he will re build the church in 3 days did he mean a physical church or his death and resurrection??
like you muslims always say,read the bible with an objective heart and mind and not as if you are reading a darren brown novel, i can expansiate more on the rest of the verses but for space,i will oblige you if yu create a seperate thread for it tho then we can venmt our individual discourses

nopuqeater:
thank you. now give me what the comforter/spirit heard that he repeated? what he taught that jesus did not teach? what he said of a reminder of jesus? what he corrected others about Jesus? what was his statement about the mother of jesus whom the jews felt deserved the same punishment as a love-peddler or somebody involved in illegal sexual intercourse? talk to me, man. defend your version of spirit/comforter, even as you are telling us that he is influencing the chrsitians today, considering the nigerian leadership of the christians are playing wife tagging among themselves and doing all kind of weird miracles that are actually false.

for you to know the job of the comforter simply look around you all round the world, the redeemed,the synagogue,the depper life oral roberts e.t.c the only entity helping them out is the holy spirit in the abscense of GOD almighty or GOD the son do you understand?? this is to bring the enormity of the holy spirit's functions to you,it is not only about teaching but guiding,empowering e.t.c does it mean that because the inventor of chemistry died many years ago,we would not have another chemistry lecturer to continue to impart knowledge??
well you can say anything about the mother of jesus,but unlike moslems we dont fight for our own GOD,he is alive to deal with you and your blasphemy unless you are making a correct assertion, im sure mohammad was buying into that notion when he lied that his own mother got a visitation from angels telling her that the unborn son would be a great prophet LIAR!
ok so nigerian miracles are false,what about the miracles of john g lake, bearing in mind that the official medical association in america validated many of his miracles unless you r saying the medical association in america are fake as well??google and find out and then you will realise the awesomness of the holy spirit

nopuqeater:
if only miracles are exclusively that of christians, maybe you may have a point. but it is not the case. even the buhdist and hindus experience miracles all the time. and when the miracles of the pastors are being proven to be lies from Johannnesburg to Jacksonville, then your argument is rubbish. i laugh in your face in portuguese; if muhammad is rotted to the sand, we at least know that other prophets did; adam, enoch, noah, father ibrahim just to name a few. one can swallow it while the death of a God will be impossible to accept. funny enough, the women prepared oil to rob on the body of the virgin man god, when it is not in the culture of the children of israel to keep their dead around, and or even want to oil him down. you are gullible to accept this nonsense!

well then how come muslim men of GOD have not been able to recreate this common place fake miracles?? how come the american medical association,doctors in western world have been able to independently validate many of these miracles? so by your reasoning even the hindus and buhdist can even lay claim to a god that is alive while your own allah has been dead and buried lol
again you have little understanding of these things sire, enoch never died,prophet elijah never died,no one knows if moses died or not because his final resting place was not known till date this is not to say the ones that died are not real prophets but i know for a fact mohammad was not a prophet.
you seem to go off on a tangent anytime you are making comments,maybe you get carried away in anger or frustration at defending a lie i dont know,but calm down and marshall your points sire

nopuqeater:
laugh hard like a desert hyena, if that makes you happy; if you only have the gospel as the only means of keeping Jesus in your heart, then Quran and Sunnah do just as much for me. while your Bible is ever changing, my Quran and the authentic ahadith/sunnah are ever firm, without any addition or subtractions. while american constitution has amendments, in the same way the Bible is having latest editions, revisions and versions, Quran and authentic ahadith stand firm.

really?so you agree with all the hadiths in circulations??hw about the assertion of the wahhabis looooooooool

nopuqeater:
Jesus did not marry so we dont know what his choice would have been. by the way Joohn did not marry, too. please i don t intend to insult jesus, so i will leave the rest of your rhetorics, alone. but then, when Jesu said he was a son of man, was he lyng, if you say he was son of God in human form? how about calling himself prophet, messenger of God, or even servant of his community? finally, if he was son of God in human form, what about all those sons of God in human form before him? are they chop liver, while jesus is the real mcCoy?

suffice to say other men of GOD IN THE BIBLE FORETOLD HIS COMING INCLUDING JOHN THE BAPTIST,SO THAT MAKES YOUR POINT A MOOT ONE DOESNT IT?UNLIKE MOHAMMAD'S FIGHT TO BE RECKONED AS A PROPHET,JESUS CHRIST WAS ACCEPTED BY M,ULTITUDES WITHOUT BLOODSHED

nopuqeater:
lets even accept that Paddy Adenuga can fire the Chief Operating Officer of his father's company, which I really doubt, he could do. adenuga, the father overrides paddy still, and not in the same calibre with him. this is not the same with the Trinity, where father, is actually son in human form, and son is ghost in ghostly form and ghost is father remaining on the throne. the trinity says that each is the othe others, hence when God spoke about creation, it was the three that poke and created. and when ghost got mary pregnant, it was the three. and when son was born it was the three. when mary nursed Jesus she nursed father and ghost as well, though it was ghost that came upon her and overshadowed her. when son was hung, father and ghost were hung, too. by the way, can adenuga sleep with paddy's mother now? he must have stept with her so that paddy can be born.
now reconcile that with Jesus, Ghost and father versus Mary, still the "Virgin". if mary is the mother of God, then on one hand she is the mother of God the father, God the Ghost. and at the same time the wife of Gos the son, God the Ghost and God the father. where do you stand in all of these: true or false? please explain.

again,you seem to be unnecessarily confusing yourself,you have hit the pertinent point while jesus christ is GOD the son in the equation,he is nevertheless subject to the commands of his father the almighty GOD, that is why he begged his father to remove this cup of suffering on his head,but GOD dfidnt,if he was a 50/50 shareholder he would have dissolved the patnership there and then,he also said it that he has come to fulfill the will of his father,he never said i will command he always said "i will intercede" check the dictionary meaning of interceding,it is totally different from i will make him,or command him,
he came in human form hence the immaculate conception,how else would he have come in an ordinary human form you want him to fly down from heaven and people would see him as ordinary??
one thing that is different between jesus and mohammad is that while jesus tried his best to operate under the radar,even running away into the mountains because people wanted to deify and adulate him,mohammad strived for and struggled for just this till he died,which is what is mega pissing him and other muslims off that this jesus was wasting opportunities

Dolemite:
Don't twist the God damned bible!! Paul said test their SPIRIT not prophecy!!
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. . . ." (1 John 4:1-4)
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i see,so in your own understanding what "spirit"do you reckon apostle paul was makinmg reference to??
i hope you realise that the holy spirit drives all the "spiritual" gifts be it prophecy,teaching e.t.c hence the spirit in that context is the same as checking the validity of prophecy,the hint is in the mention of prophets, what do "preophets do if not prophecy"??
or going by your own literal understanding of the verse,how do you test another person's spirit to know it is not from a babalawo?

this is a positive response even though i believe pastor chris and christ embassy should have been one of the first to elp out considering their status as a world re nowned church.
on a wider note,i have to admit it has been dissappointing the response of churches in nigeria and we call ourselves christians

Pastor AIO:
I believe that a pastor mrs can give somebody ginger beer, but if we were talking about a Chief pastor mrs then I wouldn't believe it. I would believe it even less if we were talking about a Chief Engr Pastor Mrs (cantab).

i dont get it??

Joagbaje:
Ginger beer is non alcoholic now. or it is ?

exactly my point,my said friend didnt even bother to find out if ginger beer was alcoholic or non alcoholic but because it involved pastor mrs adeboye,he has almost ascribed the position of a pristine human being who can never have any blot of sin

@poster
i must admit that i have learnt a lot by your insightful comments and i am posting it this minute to a christian brother,i guess our warped or incorrect understanding of these pertinent scriptures have allowed things to degenerate to this level.
i have always personally made it a point of duty to respect but never deify any man or woman of GOD,the funny thing is that most of these people do not ascribe this dubious understanding of the bible unto themselves but the "holy police" who surround them, my elder brother and his wife were opportuned to go to pastor adeboye's house on the camp ground and met him,and he came away with an impression of a laid back and humble man and woman of GOD,pastor mrs adeboye gave them a pack of ginger beer and while talking about it a friend of mine had the effontery to say he totally disbelieved them that a whole pastor mrs cannot give anybody ginger beer

Olisa4all:
Correct me if i'm wrong but wen did fulani's become christians?

sire there are christian and muslim fulanis
there are mercenaries from niger republic who have been used in these sort of deeds because of our porous borders by politicians.
let us think objecvtively and not allow our personal religious prejudices and bias to becloud our reasonings

@poster
pls calm down,even though anyone that knows me will tell you my views on islam and its inherent falsehood,but we shouldnt equate that tragedy with religion.
personally i do not accept that this was done solely on the strenght of islam/christian conflict, i personally believe this was an attack by fifth columnists(i.e political forces) who have used misguided and illiterate mercenaries to carry out their deeds.
however,i hope this sad incident will propel muslims to come foward in that part of nigeria and take decisive steps in educating and enlightening the illiterates and taking pro active steps to foster religious cohesion.
the governor also deserves to be impeached because this is simply one too many of such incidents meaning his eyes isnt on the ball