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FayeZik:
Yetty
Thanks for your input, but you may want to consider opening another thread "are men superior to women?"
To answer that - Yes they are, and all those Quranic quotes support my answer.

sorry to barge into your thread but thanks for clarifying that islam supports objectifying women,gender in equality e.t.c
uplawal will understand byexxxxx

nopuqeater:
@Karo93: « #9 on: March 06, 2010, 11:35 AM » didnt Jesus do that before he left, or there was something he hod away from them?

he did but he only started a process,the holy spirit took over from him the earthly responsibilities of guiding the brethren

nopuqeater:
and Jesus didnt do that before he left? what then was Jesus job description?

to reconcile us back into his father's ultimate purpose which we have deviated from by the sin of our forefather and mother adam and eve.

nopuqeater:
And Jesus didnt tell them the best way to worship him before he left? What kinda God was he, if he could not even tell people that followed him so nearly how they should worship him, if he was God?

he did,but he only started a process if you remove your head from the sand that you have buried it in and think objectively you will realise his purpose he even said that he has come to fullfill his father's command,will an equal person or partner be commanded to go onearth and suffer violence??

nopuqeater:
show me the physical comforter, if he is staying with you for ever? i wanna se him, except that he was that man, Muhammad (AS) who came after Jesus the human prophet (as) and taught what jesus could not have taught his companions who had immatured level of faith, which they passed on, and the later generations embellishe upon so terribly, until it was corrected, made aright, momorialized in the Unchanging Quran for all generations and all times, since over 1400 years and counting?

i will personally show you that comforter if you can show me emotional feelings like love,hate,despondency,grief,faith e.t.c im sure you can see them in islam right ??
jesus knew that and he left behind 11 disciples including judas iscariot's replacement mnaking 12 not mentioning the other 70 disciples, it is not by force and we have been telling you for hundreds of years,"WE DO NOT ACCEPT MOHAMMAD AS A PROPHET,HE WAS NOTHING BUT A CHARLLATAN AND A FRAUD" cant you people take a hint??mohammad your prophet tried and he didnt suceed even afdter wiping several jewish settlements,and you think you can suceed

and Jesus said he would return while the disciples were still on earth.

[/quote]show me where he said that in the bible,if you meant his 12 disciples if not then i hope you realise that modern day men of GOD in whatever capacities are also his disciples

nopuqeater:
yet they are all dead now, and jesus had not returned! was jesus lying if your argument was that Muhammad was not the comforter he promised, since Jesus statement did not really turn out to be true, as i have indicated, above? if jesus did not lie, then what was written in the Bible about the time of the existence of the comforter on earth and your calling him a ghost, will have to be wrong!

you cant make nebuluous statements without backing it up,in fact henceforth you are banned from making assertions about the bible you cant back up,this is not a beer parlour in surulere where you can just throw comments and assertions in the air and hope someone believes it!
mohammad was not the comforter,and judging by his moral decadence,contradictions e.t.c he can never be a comforter to his immediate family talk less of a whole nation,the bible did not make the assertion of a comforter without backing it up with other verses up untill revelations,till the present day men and women of GOD who are still doing signs and wonders by the power of that same holy spirit.
if you read the last line of your comment,you will realise it is not make any sense
[quote author=nopuqeater link=topic=408646.msg5646889#msg5646889 date=1268016011]@toba (m)« #10 on: Yesterday at 11:46:16 AM » where is your helper, now? where is he located on earth, mr. toba, if he is still with you for ever? what book/manual of knowledge that you have of him? i wanna read it, just like i can read the Bible, even though i do not believe it contains 100% truth. at least it is available. show me the work of your comforter who is remaining with you for ever, if you are not confused of who the true Helper/Comforter (AS) is?

the fact that "scientifically verifiable" signs and wonders,miracles are still happening through men and women of GOD is enough to tell you that the holy spirit is still alive,im itching for you to tell me the miracles are fake then i will reffer you to john g lake in america,and how medical scientists properly conducted a test and showed him performing miracles healing cancer including kathryn kulman and numerous men and women of GOD all round the world even though your alledged comforter mohammad has been dead and buried and rotted to sand lol
where are your own signs and wonders in islam,apart from the bombs and killings

nopuqeater:
where is your everliving helper if it is not Muhammad who is now being represented by Quran and authentic hadith/Sunnah?

loooool so mohammad too has died and replace3 himself with a set of old books and parchments full of contradictionslooool that is a big shame,if that was the consensus why are the sunni and shias's fighting then since sucession shouldnt be an issue if you have old books to worship as your leader

nopuqeater:
and jesus died, according to the Bible. and according to your opinion here; what is jesus, if he died, since God does not die?

jesus like his own admission was the son of GOD who came "in human form" did you see him marry 6 yrs old girls? no
did you see him murdering and pillaging innocent travellers?no
did you see him snatching the wives of his disciples and followers?no
he never li9ved a life of luxury,he never married or had any issues,he never took what didnt belong to him in fact he lived a life on earth which any normal human being irrespective of their religiopus inclinations should live.
would you live like mohammad lived especially morally?

nopuqeater:
empty statement from you, otherwise, show us the Helper, because Jesus said he will teach, he will glrify, he will remind. and did anyone hear his voice, because he was described that whatever he heard/instructed he will speak, and not of his own, but of God's commands. show us and defend your statement about god helping God being instructed to come by another god! i dont want to ridicule the fact that you said jesus died, yet he is with us, today, while we cant see him, but read the truth and the lies about him from the Bible. dont you think if the Bible represents Jesus, Quran and hadith represent Muhammad?

i wonder how you interpret your academic questions,seeing as universities dont give straight questions.
go and google and find out what functions the triune did and that will give you some clarity,i gave this analogy here last year and i will do so again in the forlon hope that you will at least get an idea even if you dont believe,
i will use mike adenuga of globacom as an analogy,
mike adenuga is presiding over an empire and paddy adenuga his first son is his right hand man, if paddy represents his father in public functions and make donations fire and hire workers e.t.c has he over reached himself?
does it mean that paddy is equating himself with his father?
that is why jesus christ is GOD the son even though he is not on the same footing with his father, [paddy adenuga is equally a smaller general manager even though he is not of equal power as his father.
so your assertions is that paddy adenuga is going round calling himself the owner of globacom and other mike adenuga ventures,just because he called himself as smaller general manager and functioned as such, you see how absurd your arguments sound when you look at it in a world view stance??

nopuqeater:
@godson: « #78 on: March 04, 2010, 02:17 PM » and since you missed it in your dissertation, the british fatwa scholarship must have actually made it clear to you by now that you did a poor job and the committee that conferred a degree on you based on an incomplete thesis did even poorer job.

because i am a reasonable man,i will allow you the benefit of doubt to clarify what you meant by this comment before my own retort in similar vein,bearing in mind you dont know me or what primary or secondary sources i used

nopuqeater:
a lazy man who does not want to accept responsibility for his soul will accept the promise that somebody else will bear the burden.

not a lazy man,"a mortal natural man"the bible simply highlighted the fact that human beings on their own will find it difficult to live on the straight and narrow,hence sent someone to help us out i.e die for us and then we are basically to live up to his expectations after that,unless you are already equating yourself with your own allah as being infallible
and what manner of man serves his own GOD based on the promise of 72 virgins?
what manner of people serve their allah only because of the many punishments and near curses he has cast upon them in the quran?
what manner of people serve their allah by bowing down to idols,sacrificing rams and indulging in set rituals in a perpetual yearly cycle.

nopuqeater:
yet the christians often say the sins of the father shall not be visited on the head of the son. or is that not the case? if the sin of the father is not to be borne on the soul of the son, why not you realise that no one will bear your burden for you on the day of judgement, considering that Jesus was a virgin all his life and many of you christians have intimacy for fun, and who is going to bear that sin for you; Jesus?

as usual,you will pick a random verse and blow it out of context to achieve some warped inaccurate point nice try lol
anyway for the sake of this thread ill advice you to marshall your points properly for clarification.
the bible says 1 Corinthians 6:9, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God".
moreover the bible unlike islam also continues that love is an integral part of salvation and entering the kingdom of GOD, 1 John 3:14, "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." Mark 11:26 tells us that if we don't have mercy and forgive one another, it blocks us off from God forgiving us.(now compare these verses to your quran which enjoins intolerance,hatred,martyrdom and perpetual violence)i hope the verses above have disproved your erroneous notion of jesus christ bearing all the burden for us?

nopuqeater:
there was a program shown on discovery many years ago titled empire of faith. Muhammad was called by Renaissance man by a british woman professor who said that Muhammad lived long before his time in ideas of quality to the two genders.

and you really expect me to take the word of a random woman because she is a professor i hope you realise that the world of academia especially after your first and second degree is all about espousing your own stance and ideas??it is not about forcefully agreeing and taking one person's word as law.however i totally agree with the woman that mohammad lived beyong his time he combined machiavellian principles with an old testament biblical believe to build one of the biggest man made religions so i give him credit for that as for gender relations he scored a big fat zero for that so the woman professor must have been reading a different quran and hadiths thanthe one i did read.

nopuqeater:
Islam says that a wife must continue to bear her maiden name and your wife took your name from the moment she said i do.

why dont you look at the wholistic relationship sire or do you have something you r trying to side step??lolollllllllllllloooool.
islam not only treats the women like slaves,islam objectifies women,advocates thrashing a disobedient woman,she has to cover herself up from head to toe in a very hot climate sometimes as hot as 70 degrees or more in a climate where they never had airconditions.
the woman must perpetually slave herself and eat the left overs of the men,which includeds the husband,her sons and her husband's male friends,she can never pray side by side with her husband but at the back so even if marauders are coming,the woman will be hacked down first how is that comparable to the christian vows"to love and to hold, in sickness and in health,through good and bad till death do us part, "

nopuqeater:
now who is being oppressed by the husbands? slaves are first stripped of their original names, the christians do that with their wives.

seeing as that notion is alien to you muslims,but the reason for this is to indicate oneness as a family,a family unit unlike you with your numerous wives,

nopuqeater:
in Islam, it is not the duty of the wife to cook for the husband. if she does anything apart from her role as defined by the Quran and ahadith and examples of Muhammad (as), she did it by choice.

yes but it is her duty to hide away and not venture her opinion when men are around,even if she was a professor of nuclear physics and the men were school cert graduates.
it is her duty never to sit side by side with a man in the same bus or public transportation,no matter how hot she has to cover herslef from head to toe,and she will be stoned as if we were in the stone ages for adultery while the man isnt given same treatment, why dont you enlighten and educate us on the duties of a woman in islam according to the quran and hadiths?this should be interesting, lol

nopuqeater:
if we in Islam were to show you your follies by Quraan and ahadith, will you abandone the worship of idol of three gods? you need to sit up, man and please define what you mean by non forgiveness intolerance; use it in a sentence, for clarity, because we do not want you to run away when your ignorance is exposed. but then, can you take up the challenge above?

i will try my best,here goes examples of islamic intolerance, (i am used to the yusuf ali translation and that is the version i always quote) quran 5;51 -O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

bukhari hadith 59;572-"O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."
quran 9;29-29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued
i can go on and on including the abroagted verses, ask me and i will avail you of them, islam is not only evil but actively and perpetually enjoins muslims never to tyolerate whom they class as unbelievers and to even cut off their fingertips and behead them whereever yopu find them, the bible says the direct opposite

nopuqeater:
no muslim ever says Muhammad is God. it is christian that says jesus is yahweh or jehovah. yet jesus is reported to have said "Eloh", and he did not say jehovah or yahweh when it comes to it. the dakusere (comatosed man, at best, i said he fainted or pretended to have died, in the presence of his enemy as a wise person would pretend to have died, holding his breath, if thats how he should save his life) cant be called God, for real.

i really cannot speak for anyone or any sect with a contrasting doctrine,same way you cannot speak for all the sects in islam killing and bombing each other in iran/iraq saudi arabia e.t.c especially as the bible has warned me that this will happen in the last days,all these different sects are doing is the same thing mohammad did using the biblical accounts to validate their religion and then fighting for relevance

nopuqeater:
i think you mean christianity, named by the people of antioch.

that is your own assertion from a random and nebuluous account which you are trying to force me to believe,mohammad created islam jesus christ did not create christianity even though we believe he is the son of GOD, mohammad even plagliarised from biblical accounts in order to validate his man made religion.

nopuqeater:
contradictions in the sense of being an iconoclast of trinity, the anthropological human god, wo ate, deficated, etc, etc.

i was waiting for that,because you muslims worldwide and transcending over every sect have no other point but that of thr triune what a pity here are my own contradictions in islam just to mention a few fundamental ones,
1.the so called satanic verses uttered by your alledged "prophet" and then he later cowardly turned round to say he was tempted by satan to say them and tried to annull them.
2.the abrogated verses
3.contradictions about who the first muslim was
4.minimum age for marriageabkle girls
5.the rules of inheritance and sharing(found this while researching for my dissertation and it was really hillarious i had to include it
i didnt go into details due to space however i will gladly and promptly go into details as soon as you ask me to

nopuqeater:
to be objective, you do not have to have a subjective foundations against your subject matter.

this is where you are being naively ignorant sire,in an academic setting the strenght in the name of a university i.e an oxford,cambridge,lse harvard e.t.c and its certificate being worth more than a unilag certificate is not just in the buildings.it is in the grading methods and the kind of materials they teach and turn out yearly,why do you think universities in the western world take plagliarism that serious??
first of all,even an undergraduate/graduate reserves the right to ask for an external examiner to mark his/her dissertation.
and a board will sit to objectively check every allegation of bias with you in attendance
in my own university of salford manchester,if any lecturer does that he /she is on his way out of the university,same as any lecturer in the whole of the uk,go and goodle what happened between the law student in manchester met who got similar treatment not even close and how many hundreds of thousands it cost the university.you must have attended one of these nigerian universities with your mind set.

nopuqeater:
it is not possible for a christian writing for a christian grader to say that Islam is greater than his religion, otherwise it will prudent to ask why he/she is still a christian.

in case you are ignorant on how academic conventions work,it is a cardinal rulke within any university that you must never show your personal views when writing a dissertation,essay or any course work, you are being asked to compare and contrast,or critically assess in every course work you are given, if you state your own personal views in a course work you will be failed period!

nopuqeater:
your lack of objectivity can be pointed out by your woman nature of one spouse at a time, when you are a man who secretly fantasise about the many beautiful women you come across. this is pure hypocrasy on your part.

well for one,you dont know me,even though i used to be like that but since i got born again,i dont allow that to intrude on my thoughs and i have my self control both internal and external,it might seem like an up hill,impossible task for an average muslim like yoursefl,but it is possible,you might see being pious and holy as a sign of weakness but this is showing the chauvinistic nature of your religion and highlighting the gender inequality, imagine you asserting that it is " a woman's nature" so are women weaker then??

nopuqeater:
now how do you say Jesus without sin, when he said from your own Bible that those who call people fools will spend time in hell, and he turned around to do exactly that?

well then are you comparing or judging jesus as you would a normal human being??
even mohammad agreed that he was at least a prophet,so you should judge him as you would judge mohammad right?? at least he didnt snatch people's wife or sleep with minors e.t.c
jesus claimed the right to do so solely based upon his position on earth at that time,if your dad turned around to call you olodo will you now conclude that he doesnt know what he is saying??

nopuqeater:
could you please let us in on your knowledge of the contradictions? post a couple of them here and tell us how you know that they are contradictions, if you know how the verses are revealed.

i have highlighted some fundamental ones up there,just tell me which of them you want to know more about and i will gladly avail you of the relevant verses you must be having a rotten time defending islam i agree with you that its a lot of work lol

nopuqeater:
by the way, if the Quraan was from Muhammad (as), he was a genuis, better than the work of your three gods and their worshippers, paul and the apostles who wrote the books of revelation.

of course i have never hidden my admiration for mohammad's ingenuinty as "an human being"like you and i,im sure he was a very wise man not prophet but he has not done anything extra ordinary, guru maharaji is doing same thing, the scientology people,satanist e.t.c are doing same thing so wats your point

nopuqeater:
with all of that the Bible is pale in purity of purpose. on one hand it says God is unseen, and One, and no one can see Him and live and the children of Israel under Moses knew that they did not have the purity to hear His voice (old testament); in the new testament, god suddeenly becomes a trinity like a tripoid, with three arms to Him;

clarify and marshall your points sire,you are jumbling evevrything together lol with all what exactly
yes and why dont you show us where the bible turned around to say GOD almighty can now be seen??
you are ignorant either intentionally or unintentionally of the notion of the triune,however the assignment i will give you is to go and search for the qualities and the job of GOD the father, GOD the son who is in the position to intercede on our behalf sort of like a bridge, and GOD the holy spirit who is like a manager who over sees like a foreman i can lecture you on this quite easily if you are willing to listen with an objective mind same way i studied the quran and hadiths objectively, thew bible is so brilliant that from the first chapter of the new testament to revelations everything stacks up and matches perfectly,can you say the same for the quran?lol

nopuqeater:
one died and wake up, ate because of hunger, slept because of tiredness, tempted even for a simple matter as hunger, etc and unable to do all things and lacked absolute knowledge. another is a mere ghost always an errant entity, a gofer, while the papa does not have absoluteness to him, since he is 1 of 3.

your case is like a man who was told to get a glass of "ice water",and he went off and started crying into the glass,when told its iced water from the fridge,he refused and continues crying in the glass with the justification that they sound alike.

nopuqeater:
what did he plagiarised from Christianity, and he left the most essential part, "if jesus is not risen, our faith is in vain", said the nouveau preacher paul.

he plagliarised and matched the accounts of abraham,and the old prophets ,in fact most of the old testaments,everything would have been ok if the christians and the jews had accepted him as a prophet like he wanted,he even befriended them and made his followers pray towards jerusalem true or false lol
im sure if mohammad had been in this era,we wouldnt have had suicide bombers,because he would have found some fake prophets who would have concencrated him as a prophet in america who would have issued him a certificate AS PROPHET MOHAMMAD,and started his own chrislam harb and we wouldnt have had all this suicide bombings

nopuqeater:
and most ogbonis are christians. most scientolgists are christians. if a muslim does something else, he knows that he is out of islam, we call those people munafiquuns, they are worse than your type nown as kafiruun.

that is the pertinent point sire,just like mohammad did by stealing a part of the bible a\nd using it for his own nefarious purpose,the ogbonis,scientologists e.t.c have simply followed suit my own bible tells me that except a man be born again,he shall not enter the kingdom of GOD.
second except a man loves his friends and his enemies more,making love a cardinal rule in his life,he shall not enter into the kingdom of GOD.
the rest of the doctrines are just supports for these two cardinal rules,and any sect who isnt following that to the letter are not christians.
if you call them christians,will you agree that the fulani herdsmen who massacered innocent women and children are true muslims
the quran can call them anything,but it is so full of contradictions that i dont really know what to believe in the tainted quran anymore.

nopuqeater:
it islam validated itself with christianity, it must have at the same time killes it by ridiculing the trinity and that jesus did not die, and not more than a human prophet. so much for validation, i say. i think a jew will laugh at your ignorance, when he reads your validation, and then reflects back at judaism and christianity denial of validation.

well,the reason islam cannot agree with thr trinity is simply because "where would that leave mohammad"and his quest to become a prophet by fire by force??
or will the new testament be changed that GOD has 2 sons??he knows that could never happen hence he decided to go it alone,secondly by accepting jesus christ as the son of GOD will effectively rendwer mohammad,s job and purpose irrelevant because if jesus christ has come then mohammad was not needed as a warner you get me? so he simply played safe and accepted the portions in the bible that suited his purpose,that is why you will notice that mohammad,same as your co-travellers,ogboni,scientologist e.t.c asll dont accept the new testament, the onl;y one of your co travellers who come close are the end time ministeries,but they jump over the acts of the apostles and go straight to revelations

nopuqeater:
@t.truth « #83 on: Yesterday at 08:48:56 PM » typical christ mantra. and we read that every where the Quran curses satan.

he said dont above. and now he says do. weak mind, can make up his mind. which way is up, man? and the violence of the Bible, sorry the new testament as jesus himself beat up old money changers,

im sure you are not equating jesus turning over the tables of money changers and driving them out with mohammad murdering and stealing from innocent meccan traders?
ask yourself this question,why didnt the multitude of the traders set upon jesus and beat him up if they were not breaking the law,or was he stronger than them?

nopuqeater:
cursed the jewish people, and his ignorant companion/disciples of their little faith,

does it mean that the many curses mohammad placed in the quran as rendered him as a charlatan and fake then??
that means if your dad reprimands you by some sort of verbal reprimand you will immediately disown him??

nopuqeater:
and the smashing of the head of the babies on the rocks,

because i know that the jesus i know and serve never shed blood,i challenge you publicly to show us or even google it where jesus christ commanded or enjoined anyone to smash the head of babies on the rock "you lie sire"

nopuqeater:
commanding people to brought forward in the presence of the "king" (and jesus is the king according to the christians) to be slained.

if you think you will get away with making a vague and open ended comment,without proof and i ll accept that,you are mistaken,i challenge you to show us where jesus said that children,s head be smashed on rocks,and brought foward to be "stained"whatever that means

nopuqeater:
please keep your ignorance within your group. stupidy, violence, etc are the hallmark of the christian bible and there is no single christian people on earth who had ever demostrated any peaceloving. pre-emptive strike is now the hallmark of the trinity worshippers. look around man, and dont let the sun set on you worshipping three gods.

well then why dont we look around the earth and judge which religion has been employing the suicide bombers,killing oither perceived unbeleivers and even each other,i will be happy if you can show me a christian fundamentalist group who have set out to bomb muslims and have been doing so,they have brought the religious cancer to nigeria and now christians are under siege on every quarter.
lastly i am not suprised really at your reference to the sun,because it plays a major part in yopur man made pagan religion.
you worship and bow down to the sun
you know the date of your festivals with the aid of the moon,like pagan worshippers
you bow down to graven images in kaaba
you sacrifice rams and spill blood for your gods
you are so proud that you display the symbol of your sun and moon gods on all your mosques

@poster
what exactlyis the point of this article??
that nigerians or foreigners are feeling the heat of the recession??
first of all in commenting on the article i believe the fault isnt with social services but the ade and family,if you cant get accomodation in london,then move your family farther out of london as i am sure a family in that circumstance will get a place to lay their head at least outside london,white people are not as heartless and unfeeling as we black people irrespective of their faults and shortcomings.
secondly i hope you believe yourself,because i am sure you are not doing a good job of convincing any prospective economic migrant,as long as uk/us and the western world refuse to play fair with third world countries then the migrants will keep on coming and there s really nothing they can do to stop them

n.b situations such as these is not restricted to just nigerians but minority ethnic groups generally including asians,afro-carribeans e.t.c left to me i will still advice anyone to relocate abroad rather than staying in nigeria without any prospects

alimat 2:
what is your point when we say equating God with any body? Read my post and read again did i equate any body with God?

my point is that most of the visions and enjoinment mohammad made to his followers was from him and not GOD,hence for you to say GOD granting understanding you should say mohammad granting understanding GOD does not make mistakes or contradict himself like mohammad has severally done in the quran

alimat 2:
If u say islam is a man mad religion just as Paul made your religion.
If your religion is bible based then justify your religion with your holy book and i will do same to islam

no apostle paul was just an apostle,if you check the new testament several people like peter and others had already strated evangelising before apostle paul joined them and the new testament was well and trully on its feet before apostle paul. mohammad started islam hence it is man made why else did you think he plagliarised from christianity to validate his islam?it is to give himself some originality same as sects like scientology,ogboni e.t.c who use christianity in order for wide acceptance.
look at ogboni which started less than 100 years ago,and its membership now?they simply did like mohammad by validating themselves with christianity

@poster
the dead body itself doesnt turn to money but the spirit can be invoked to appease demons who will bring the money to whoever has done the invoking

Dolemite:
This is further proof that this man may be a fraud, inciting competition in the house of god. . .if God did exist i don't think he would want to win the hearts of men using cheap tricks like these.

inciting competition in the house of GOD
ARE YOU FOR REAL?
didnt apostle paul enjoin christians to test every prophecy properly to know which is original?going by your reasoning apostle paul must be a fraud as well right?

jagunlabi:
Pitiful and pathetic.They are having a "spiritual" olympic games now?How can anyone take these folks so seriously?The mind consciousness is an amazing thing.Even when these guys are virtually screaming out that they are fraudsters to all asundary, some folks still can't hear their voices and discern.These guys are only revealing themselves for what and who they really are for those who can see and discern.

since you seem to be the alber einstein around here,why dont you open our eyes of understanding to what we seem to be missing in the comment.
the man simply made a valid comment which the bible also backs that prophesies shopuld be given a time frame to know those who are genuine and those who are not and you throw out an open ended comment which frankly isnt conveying anything at all, how exactly has he asserted or inffered that he is a fraud??

alimat 2:
@godpickin,

God says i will hav mercy on whom i will hav mercy on.

If u read d quran a thousand times and also learn the arabic language if God refuse to show u d light u will never c and if with his mercy show u d the Light u will never go astray. Its not about reading but its about d mercy of God on u.
Millions hav read and have seen d way and thousand hav read and still remain blind, so its all about mercy of God.

To whom it may concern,
Open your heart and stop being bias just as the jews did to Prophet Isa(Jesus)(peace unto him)

allahpikin
dont equate GOD with mohammad,islam is a man made religion i am pragmatic when it comes to the fundamentals of religion and i simply cannot reconcile thecontradictions in islam, you cannot have a more objective individual than an academic approaching islam for a research work because the essence of a literary research is to show both the negative and positive without being subjective or you will get a zero

@poster
iit is and i personally recommend all christians doubting their faith should read it to be sure of their religious convictions i read it because of my dissertation which was about juastifications for islamic terrorism and i can tell you without a shadow of doubt that i have been a better christian and more sure of my faith as a christian having uncovered the many lies and contradictions contained including unanswered questions especially about the justifications for the gender inequality,non forgiveness intolerance

helperzz:
@all christian propagandist I wonder why you people are sad because of this news.Don't you know that christianity has no foundation.

why would i as a christian be sad about a minute population of uk turning to islam when majority are turning to christianity every single day in the same britain, the figures for the redeemed holy ghost convention in excel centre compared to the year before is enough proof for you, go and check the population of pastor ashimolowo's kicc compared to last year including several churches springing up in the uk every week. the reason you dont get these figurres is because of the persecution we pentecostals,especially minority led are getting from the government and charity comissions so i personally welcome these sort of news so it will bring them back to their senses

helperzz:
It is based on hearsay and rumours it is true that someone called paul(who wrote the new testament) exists but the existence of peter,james and the rest had no historical evidence but economic and political evidence which are known to historians to be fraudulent.

the same way we can only take the word of a fat bushy bearded womaniser and serial hedonist who called himself a prophet mohammad for all he wrote. not only that, he serially contradicted himself on the very foundations of his supposed religions,lied about seeing visions to justify many of the vices he got involved in .at least apostle paul's life(thank GOD you at aleast admit he existed)is worthy of emulation from anybody can you say the same for mohammad??

helperzz:
Your hatred towards islam is not new the devil always inspire his friends to have those who opposes his way.You like to open your mouth and say anything like one god is a fake god.

you are right with the first comment that is why mohammad,has been the single most influential individual responsible for the bloodshed that has been happening  through his ideologies and intolerant statement in qurans and hadiths.
islam hatered and bloodshed go and in hand right from the meccan times when the jews who saw through it refused to accept it as a religion or mohammad as a prophet,up untill the medinan areas when mohammad rose to become a powerful bloodthirsty armed robber who killed at will and robbed innocent people the allah that he beleived in is not the problem you muslims have but his moral probity and example while on earth,his many contradictions ,treatment of women and childrene.t.c

helperzz:
Wait a minute don't the know the slogan of christianity which is 'lying for god'.

no that is the slogan for islam, remember it was your prophet who justified pagan worship  re;satanic verses
it was your allah who told your prophet to robb and kill innocent maccan traders even during a supposedly holy month.
it was your allah behinnd the inspiration of the hadith about 72 virgins for martydom.
it was your allah who told his followers to worship the moon,to bow down for his image in mecca and to sacrifice rams every year

helperzz:
The end justifies the means for christian achievement that is why your so called pastor will always lie to you because they want money,they want fame and they would not want to ruin their multibillion naira trade,that is why informatio on christian history are hidden,they have too much skeleton in their cupboard.

why ,he dey pain you??its our money we r giving them itsw not yours so whats your problem with that we chose to give them our money.whwen you send your money to fund islamist groups,terrorist cells e.t.c do we ask you how you spend your money??
maybe you have not read machiavelli then you will realise right from the beginning of mohammad's ministry upo untill today isl;am has been run on machiavellian principles there is betrayal and deceit what they did to the jews in mecca.
there is ruthlessness when mohammad and his leutenants killed young children in cold blood after the siege
when mohammad ordered the assasination of the poet who satirized him. you want me to continue?

helperzz:
And you never attempted to find out the truth but close your eyes blindly following your senior devils.

even you dont know the truth do you?remember your islamic scholars have admitted that the arabic quran holds "£THE ONLY TRUE AND UNBLEMISHED ACCOUNTS OF ISLAM" SEEING AS YOU WERE NOT BORN ARAB AND ONLY LEARNT EH LANGUAGE how do you know that the original version of the quran is nothing but love letters mohammad wrote in code to his many wives and concubines telling them about how much he loved  them??
trust me,i approached the study of islamic ideologies origins roots e.t.c with a completely open and objective mind,if i ddnt then i wouldnt have gotten a first class in my undergraduate degree in salford university and subsequent research on this same issue including the justification for terrorism,and i have discovered that the truth is that islam is not a religion of confusion but steeped in bloodshed falsehood,confusion and contradictions

helperzz:
The bible full of contradictions is not enough an evidence for you to quote,give solid evidence for your claims.In all the history of humans there were FALSEHOOD and there were TRUTH, TRUTH were based on evidence and facts,The only so called truth(FALSEHOOD) which has no evidence is CHRISTIANITY.Seek knowledge

show us your contradictions in the bible,remember the bible acknowledges that the old testament was full of wrong doing?
that was precisely the reason why jesus christ came to right all the wrongs,hence the new testament that is why we pentecostals use the new testament as the basis of our christian faith even though we still reffer to the old testament now point to the contradictions in the new testament?
if you want contradictions in the quran then i v got plenty,just ask and by the way i have proof of al the assertions i have made either with ther quran or hadiths and yes i have read the quran yusuf ali translation,i have read many hadiths as well

tlfacts:
Why do you people say Adeboye is the best person in the world.
Why is it not your mother or father.

in any community you are bound to get the set of people who will tend to take things to the extreme i am a proud member of the redeemed church strongtower parish oldham manchester and i really dont see pastor adeboye or any redeemed leader as better than my parents and i have also chosen not to reffer to pastor adeboye as daddy g.o or mummy g.o but simply g.o or pastor his proper title

helperzz:
i am just surprised that most people just give comments based on hearsay and unfounded rumours.Education is not just about reading and writing it also involve freedom from shackles of ignorance.I just writing 72 virgins without anyone making reference to a reliable source he/she got it from.

would you believe if i posted the hadiths?

helperzz:
Al qaeda does not exist,jewish MOSSAD exists.

al qaeda exists,bin laden exists islamic fundamentalism even as an ideology exists mossad just like the cia,fbi e.t.c is a state creation not a religious creation or can you show us where mossad is in the bible or torah??

helperzz:
You can as well try to investigate the root of suicide bombing,jews were the first to start suicide bombing.If you are too confident of your christianity stand on peace you might want to check out the <a href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades?wasRedirected=true">CHRISTIAN CRUSADE</a> and examine it yourself.And the hidden origin of christianity <a href="http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/religion/181655-nietzsche-and-the-origins-of-christianity">Origins of Christianity</a> here.

the gentelman has addressed this comment adequately,every student of history will tell you that the crusades had nothing to do with christianity,itsa like saying the knight templars were fighting for christianity or that the popes those days were pious christians everything they did was purely political you can say the same for your suicide bombers who even have justification in the quran.

helperzz:
You will find out that the term jihad which means holy war is not peculiar to Islam alone.

it is peculiar to islam alone,christianity was not tied to violence or jihadi tendencies like islam was and is still is

helperzz:
the jews and the christian sect cannot deny that their religion were spread with sword in the name of JESUS.if those crusaders have not used sword in spreading the gospel you might as well be at a shrine now.

you are a poor student of history if you really believe this erroneous display of warped knowledge, go and read the acts of the apostles and what the apostles went through in the hands of jews and romans e.t.c while spreading the gospel we christians are enjoying today,the likes of apostle peter and paul were tortured,imprisoned,whipped some were even stoned and died as martyrs for their faith jesus christ was killed.mohammad was the one that spread islam with the sword and bloodshed that is why bloodshed has always been a part and parcel of islam till today

helperzz:
And if you are not convinced you might check out <a href="jesusneverexisted.com/papal-princes.htm">history of CHRISTIAN pope</a> to see for yourself what your pastor will never reveal to you!!! For reasons best known to them.Eight IGNORANCE do research.

i dont even need to open your link about the pope in the olden days to know that the vatican was rife with corruption,assasination and mary moral vices the reason for this is not because the christian leaders were decadent morally and spiritually but because the monarchy interferred with the selection of the pope and imposed a candidate the king wanted,if you did not do the king's bidding you were burnt at the stake or beheaded in that dictatorial monarchy the king's word was law so you should do the reading and research as for some mundane random site saying jesus did not exist this is not the first attempt by insecure and scared people trying to discredit christianity and it wont be the last.
the reason being the rapid growth of pentecostal christianity and its perceived threat
by the way i hope you realise that wiki[pedia is not a credible source

the fact that his life was sought ONLY AFTER THE DEATH OF THESE TWO PEOPLE is enough to proof my point,secondly the fact that khadijat was a wealthy and influential woman is another pertinent point like i pointed out in my comment earlier for a woman to be mentioned as being rich and influential in these days means she must have been very rich and influential considering that women are heard and not seen.

as for both the uncle and his wife protecting him what is so strange about that?
so if your wife became the vice president of nigeria you wont partake of any largesse??

i tire o, wonder how they manage to concot their own warped surmissions lol

abdulreal:
Muslims on nairaland, ingnore them all who think they can crush Islam, they will die trying

the more innocent people you continue killing the more people will see your religion for what it really is, your suicide bombers dont scare us go and read the new testament and see what the apostles went through to spread the gospel, what you people are perpetuating now in the name of violence is child's play

alimat 2:
The chanting of 72 virgins or whatever. Almost everybody on religion section are shouting about 72 virgins and nobody has ever prove that with a verse in the Holy Quran.If u fink u hav a prove u can post the verse for all to c

God has promised every rumour monger his wrath, so any body that feels lik shouting 72 virgins should continue till d last breath.

it doesnt have to be in the quran it is in the hadiths or are you saying you dont believe in any hadiths?

alimat 2:
Ignorance will lead many people to the pit of hell.

Islam does not support violence without oppression anybody that is creating violence without meaningful reason is doing that at his own risk. A gud muslims will find it difficult to kill housefly letalone human"s.

islam supports violence,this is highlighted by the MEDINAN version of mohammad enjoining his followers to slay the unbelievers whereever they find them have you heard of abrogation??the abrogated verses,
islam does not support suicide but it supports martydom which is the correct name for what the mujahideen's are doing, "suicide bombing" is a phrase coined by western media.
muslims from the beginning of time have spread their religion through blood shed the only peaceful time in the whole history of your religion was the meccan time when islam was weak and without power,as soon as they got to medina and mohammad achieved power.it has been ruled by bloodshed up untill today

uplawal:
@godslave,if u see me u will shut up your mouth @godslave,why are you acting up foolish man,as if u are not the starter of the insult,curse and other blasphemy?you are a complete strayed hypocrite

lool really?why would i then??its either you probably look really gentle and then i ll shut up my mouth in shock at the contrast or you look exactly the way you talk cursing n stuffs.
i didnt insult your prophet,i spoke the truth with proofs,rather than retorting to insults i ll advise you to research and come up with retorts to prove me wrong, good day and GOD bless you sister uplawal

experts:
its clear in your post,

khadijat did not marry mohammed as a prophet so u can see u are ignorant, how did she protect him? because she has money or influence, so did dat protect him, ?

lol



can do more search and come back here man

peace

im sure you are either new on here or have not read my past comments on here,whydont you tell me what age mohammad married khadija and what age he started his ministry then??lol lol
whjen exactly was or did he confer the title of prophet upon himself??
thwen you will start to discover how confused you are , one thing i will tell you howqever is that mohammad's uuncle and khadijat were instrumental in protecting mohammad and his followers from harm,assasination attempts go and read your quran and you will discover the assasination attempts prompting him to escape was after the death of both his uncle and his wife

thank you so much for this comment,one thing i cant stand is for people to come and start to white wash and even massively misquote qutb and his core ideologies,there was no love lost between qutb and the west generally including what he saw as the corrosive western practises wchich have served to corrupt islamic nations, funny enough i totally agree with him,its only his methods that i totally and unequivocally disagree with

experts:
huh i can see it from your post that u re an anti islam, if u jurge islam based on few people's action and understanding of d religion,

i hv given myself the duty to enlighten u abt it but i can see u are here to conderm with no knowledge, so there no need,

thread closed

qutb is not "few people"shows you dont know anything about him and his influence as an islamist both on islam generally and modern islamic fundamentalism including bin laden

what is the problem of sayyid qutb's jihad??
maybe you are too scared to admit what sialm is and entails,but at least qutb al banna and other sialmists were bold enough to face up without caring what anyone thought,by the way qutb based his argument on the quran and his seminal treatise is one of the most important in the islamic world till today

bilms:
your disagreement has no basis,


i do not want u to agree anyway because in all u hv noted,there is no reasonable reason u point at, all u do is say u do not agree,

if u say so

bilms:
during his life with khadijat, when in history did u ever read that khadijat protected him? she only beleived and loved him, and note that khadijat gave him all d wealth she gat, putting it in his command, if he so wishes, he can decide to do what ever he wanted, but he choosed not,

khadijah according to the quran and hadiths was a wealthy and influential woman BEFORE she married mohammad,in adittion she used her connections to protect mohammad and his followers from persecution when islam was still young,it wasnt only mohammed's uncle who protected him go and read the historical accounts.
yes he did after the death of his wife.

bilms:
in d real life situation, haven't u seen time without number when a woman gave a poor and reched guy a chance and he still went ahead to have as many wifes as he wish?

so u hv no point

yes and i have also seen several instances where a man is given that chance and he will even get a slap in public without complaint, ask anyone to tell you what happened to one of igbinedion's daughters some years ago who married a 419 guy mohammad was simply smart enough not to rock the boat and be a good and dutiful husband to the woman that controls the purse

alimat 2:
May God guide the ignorant ones

who are the ignorant ones the man who proclaimed the fatwah?lol

bilms:
quran 2;191 "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith"


it was clearly started in d verse

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out

initially dey oppress mulims and when this law came, its time for u to fight them d way they fight u, its simple

i am at work therefore i cant properly adress your comment but i will give you a short assignment go and read milestones by a foremost fundamentalist sayyid qutb on jihad and your question will be answered

GODSON2009:
The life of the Prophet may be divided into four periods so far as his domestic life is concerned. Up to twenty-five he led a celibate life; from twenty-five to fifty-four he lived in a married state with one wife; from fifty-four to sixty he contracted several marriages; and lastly, from sixty till his death he did not contract any new marriage. The most important period to determine whether the Prophet was a slave to his passions is the period of celibacy. If he had not been a complete master of his passions, he could not have led an exceptionally chaste and pure life, which won him the title of al-Amin, to the age of twenty-five in a hot country like Arabia where development must necessarily take place early and passions are generally stronger.

im sorry sire but i totally disagree with this simplistic explanation does the fact that i started robbing people at the age of 25 or i started being a fraudster at the age of 25 absolve me of my subsequent ills and vices?
irrespective of the climate or how hot or cold it is,that is no excuse united kingdom right now is really cold that doesnt mean that i would commit fornication with another girl because my girlfriend is in nigeria you get my point? in adittion,i can catalogue a chronological list of mohammad's moral vices if you so request

GODSON2009:
His worst enemies could not point to a single blot on his character when challenged later. According to Muir, all authorities agree “in ascribing to the youth of Muhammad a modesty of deportment and purity of manners rare among the people of Makka”.

like i said that is not an excuse fore all the ills and moral vices he later got himself involved in

GODSON2009:
Now, youth is the time when passions run riot, and the man who is able to control his passions in youth, and that in celibacy, cannot possibly be conceived as falling a prey to lust in his old age.

i totally disagree a real life example is my own father,he married late and was totally dedicated to studying, didnt stop him marrying 4 other wives when he made money so that is clearly no indication whatsoever it is a sociological issue

GODSON2009:
Thus the first period of his life, his celibacy up to twenty-five years of age, is conclusive proof that the could never fall a prey to his passions.

i disagree and i have given you a real life example

GODSON2009:
It should be noted in this connection that in Arab society at the time there was no moral sanction against an immoral life, so that it cannot be said that he was kept back from an evil course by the moral force of society. Profligacy, on the other hand, was the order of the day; and it was among people who prided themselves on loose sexual relations that the Prophet led a life of transcendent purity, and therefore all the more credit is due to his purity of character.

well,the pertinent fact is that he later indulged in serial hedonism hence this cannoit be taken into consideration

GODSON2009:
Take now the next period, the period of a monogamous married life. When twenty-five years of age, Muhammad married a widow, Khadija, fifteen years his senior, and led a life of the utmost devotion with her till she died, when he was fifty years of age.

considering what khadijah was bringing to the table,if i was in that position,i will be faithful to the end as well, she elevated the life of the ordinary poor stable boy to a life of luxury and riches,she brought with that connections and networking mohammad with the biggest boys of that time so will you forfeit all that to marry another wife?i would have agreed that he was morally pious if not for all that he indulged in AFTER KHADIJAH DIED(im sure you know how powerful and rich khadijah was).

GODSON2009:
Polygamy was the rule in Arabia at the time; and the wife had not cause of complaint, nor did she ever grumble, if the husband brought in a second or third wife.

not if she was the rich and influential one,she will complain remember that khadijah was one of mohammad's protector against persecution in mecca,now imagine a woman weilding that kind of power in a time when women were not heard, that shows the level of her influence so please i dont agree she wouldnt have made trouble if mohammad had married another wife.

GODSON2009:
The Prophet belonged to the noblest family of the Quraish and his marriage with Khadija had enriched him; and if he had chosen to marry another wife, it would have been quite easy for him.

reffer to the comment above again NO.!!

GODSON2009:
But he led a monogamous life of the utmost devotion to his wife during all that time. When Khadija died, he married a very elderly lady, Sauda, whose only recommendation for the honour was that she was the widow of a faithful companion of his who had to flee to Abyssinia from the persecution of the Quraish. The main part of his life, from twenty-five to fifty-four, was thus an example for his followers that monogamy was the rule in married life.

that does not excuse the fact that he was having indiscriminate sexual liasons with multiple women many of which were not even married to him if mohammad's followers up untill the present day were to follow his examples then i assure you that the middle east and not south africa will be the hiv/aids headquarters, this is not my assertion it is in the bukhari,muslim e.t.c hadiths and i have read and studied them

GODSON2009:
Now comes the third period. Of all his wives A’isha was the only one whom he married as a virgin.

of course she was 6 years old!!

GODSON2009:
Her father, Abu Bakr, the closest friend of the Prophet had offered her to him when he suffered the great bereavement of losing both his wife and his uncle Abu Talib.

again i am sorry to keep on disagreeing with you sire,but this is not the truth,its either you are conveniently doctoring the true accounts or suffering from selective amnesia, mohammad actually told abu bakr his friend,and the man was not convinced then mohammad issued a threat of sorts and browbeated the man till he threw up his hands in exasperation,fed up and agreed, he was not totally convinced and i can post the hadiths if you so request for it.

GODSON2009:
The girl was one possessing exceptional qualities, and both Abu Bakr and the Prophet saw in her the great woman of the future who was best suited to perform the duties of the wife of a teacher who was to be a perfect exemplar for mankind. So the Prophet accepted her; but apparently she had not yet reached the age of puberty, and her marriage was consummated towards the close of the second year of the Flight.

are you kidding mehow can a 6 yrs old be best suited to perform the duties of a wife??pls tell me you r joking!!!!
Footnote on age of A’isha:

GODSON2009:
A great misconception prevails as to the age at which A’isha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that A’isha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than A’isha. This shows that A’isha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that A’isha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter entitled The Moon (fifty-fourth chapter) was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that A’isha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that A’isha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of A’isha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that A’isha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.

well it depends on which hadith we want to believe isnt it?i will counter with my own sahi muslim hadith 3309

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

3310 also continues,

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

GODSON2009:
In the second year of the Flight began the series of battles with the Quraish and the other Arab tribes, which appreciably reduced the number of males, the bread-winners of the family. These battles continued up to the eighth year of the Flight, and it was during this time that the Prophet contracted all the marriages which appear objectionable to the modern mind, but which neither friend nor foe looked upon with disapprobation at the time. A Christian writer says:

It would be remembered, however, that most of Muhammad’s marriages may be explained at least as much by his pity for the forlorn condition of the persons concerned, as by other motives. They were almost all of them widows who were not remarkable either for their beauty or their wealth, but quite the reverse.

is the fact that "a christian writer" supported this assertion enough to validate the claim?no i dont think so.
seeing as you brought christianity up,there were widows during tha time of jesus christ,apostle paul e.t.c but they didnt start marrying them,apostle paul set out a proper means for the church to take care of the old widows,and gave leave to the young widos to go out and re-marry if they so wish, none of these religious icons were reported to have married the widows so why is that of mohammad,a supposed prophet different??
and i see it as being unfairly simplistic by explaining away mohammad's action on the strenght of some negative perception of widows, are you saying all widows are old and ugly?
remember it takesa young energetic man to fight a war,so it follows that the wife will be younger than the husband,so where did your own analysis come from sire??

GODSON2009:
Let us look the facts straight in the face. The Prophet had now in his house a young and beautiful wife in A’isha. None of the other wives whom he married later compared with her either in youth or beauty. Surely then it was not attraction for beauty that led to these marriages. We have already seen that from his youth till his old age the Prophet remained a complete master of his passions.

again,that is an erroneous assumption,go and look at serial womanisers most of them are lucky enough to have beautiful wives but that doesnt stop them womanising, a recent case amongst several others is ashley cole,have you seen his wife cheryl cole??she is so stunning that she is the only white girl i will get married to if given a chance and my gf will not mind lol that has not stopped him womanising with girls who are not as beautiful as his loveli wife.

GODSON2009:
The man who could live in celibacy up to twenty-five and still have the reputation of a spotless character, who up to fifty-four lived with a single wife and this notwithstanding the fact that polygamy was more the rule than the exception at the time and that a polygamous connection was not in the least objectionable — such a man could not be said to have changed all of a sudden after fifty-five when old age generally soothes the passions even of those who cannot control their passions in youth. No other motive than compassion for the ladies who were given this honour can be attached to these marriages. If there had been any less honourable motive, his choice would have fallen on others than widows, and under the Arab custom a man in his position could have plenty of youthful virgins.

all i know is that he not only had several wives,he also had indiscriminate sexual liasons with slaves,not only this he appropriated the wif3 of his step son,even if the guy totally agreed morally and by both western and african tradition it is a taboo, besides i have earlier explained that it was not out of choice but it would have been disasterous for him to hgave angered khadijah remember the yoruba proverb that no woman will ever knowwingly and without compulsion agree to have a rival.

GODSON2009:
I have said that change for the worse could not come over a man who had led an undoubtedly spotless life until he reached fifty-five. If the beauty of women could not excite his passions in youth and lead him away from the path of rectitude, how could it lead him away in old age?

i wont dwell on this point as i have stated my stance but this is your own personal opinion.

GODSON2009:
And what were the circumstances in which he lived in Madina during these years? It was not a life of ease and luxury that he was leading at the time; it was a life of hardness, because it was at this very time that he had to carry on a life-or-death struggle with the enemies of Islam.

they were not all enemies of islam,most of them were innocent traders uncluky enough to have been caught in the cross fire.mohammad and his boys robbed and killed them for no just cause other than the fact that their fellow maccans persecuted him and his followers while resident in mecca, even during a supposedly holy month prompting wide condemnations from all quarters making him deliver a "convenient vision"where allah justified his action

GODSON2009:
Huge armies came to crush him and the small band of Muslims at Madina. The whole of Arabia was aflame against him. He was not secure for a minute. Battles had to be fought in quick succession. Expeditions had to be arranged and sent. “Prophet of God! We are tired of being in arms day and night,” his companions would say to him; and he had to console them by telling them that the time would come when a traveller would be able to go from one end of the country to the other without having any arms. The Jews and the Christians were his enemies along with the idolaters. His best friends were falling sometimes in battle and sometimes by treachery. Is it possible for a man to lead a life of ease and luxury under such circumstances? Even if a man had the mind to lead a life of self-indulgence, which the Prophet according to all available evidence had not, this was not the opportune time for it. In such circumstances of warfare, with enemies within Madina and enemies all around it, with the number of Muslims being insignificantly small in comparison with the enemy, with news of assaults by the overwhelming numbers on all sides, even a profligate’s life would be changed, to say nothing of a man of avowed purity of character, which no temptation could shake, turning into a profligate.

all this still does not justify the kind of life or the moral example he left behind and which he led his followers into even to this day, thousands if not tens of thousands of innocent children are dying everyday in the north arising from childbirth complications because of a single man who died many years ago,babies are being forced into marriage paedophilia is being committed and your religion is being used as a cover for old men who should be in prison all because of the actions or inactions of one single man who has been dead and buried.

GODSON2009:
If the Prophet’s days during this period were passed so strenuously, how did he pass the nights? He had a number of lawful wives, but he did not spend his nights in enjoyment with them. There is clearest evidence on record in the Holy Quran as well as Hadith that he passed half, and sometimes even two-thirds, of the night in prayers and in reciting the Holy Quran while standing in prayer. He would stand so long that his feet would get swollen. Could such a man be said to be taking wives for self-indulgence when the minutest details of his life as available to show us conclusively that it was a strenuous life furthest away from indulgence of any kind?

well since you seem to be so sure of your convictions concerning this what possible use has he got for amassing the number of wives??including the slave girls and also his step son's wife??

GODSON2009:
Let us now consider another point. Was any change really witnessed in the latter part of his life when he became the ruler of a state?


When the Prophet actually became the ruler of a state, the furniture of his house was composed of a coarse matting of palm leaves for his bed and an earthen jug for water. Some nights he would go without food. For days no fire would be lighted in his house to prepare food, the whole family living on mere dates. There was no lack of means to live a life of ease and comfort. The public treasury was at his disposal. The well-to-do among his followers, who did not shrink from sacrificing their lives for his sake, would have been only too glad to provide him with every comfort of life, should he choose to avail himself of it. But worldly things carried little weight in his estimation. No mundane craving could ever prevail over him, neither in times of indigence nor of plenty. Just as he spurned wealth, power and beauty which the Quraish offered him when he was yet in a state of utmost helplessness, so did he remain indifferent to them when God granted him all these things out of His grace.

no sire mohammad loved perfumes,good food and obviously women even though he asserted that what gives him utmost joy is prayers, so for you to state that he never indulged in any single form of luxury is false, you can find this in the hadiths of sahi al bukhari and muslim

GODSON2009:
Not only did he himself live the simple life of a labourer, but he did not even allow wealth to have any attraction for his wives. Shortly after their immigration into Madina, the condition of the Muslims had changed, and they carried on a prosperous trade. Their conquests, later on, went further to add to the comforts of life which the Muslims enjoyed. A quite human desire crept into the hearts of the Prophet’s wives that, like other Muslim families, they too should avail themselves of their share of comforts. Accordingly, they approached the Prophet in a body to prevail upon him to allow them their legitimate share of worldly comforts. Thereupon came the Divine injunction:

“O Prophet ! Say to thy wives, If you desire this world's life and its ornature, come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing. And if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward.” [33:28,29]

i dont know what you see as a good life but many will see mohammad's life as a good life, he spent most of his years enjoying the wealth and social status of his late wife,and then the second half enjoying the leadership and the attendant power as a religious and political leader we know he loved and used fine expensive perfumes,he loved women and loved good food and money was no object.

GODSON2009:
Thus they were offered two alternatives. They might either have worldly finery, or remain in the Prophet’s household Should they decide to have the former, they would have plenty of what they wanted, but would forthwith forfeit the honour of being the Prophet’s wives. Is this the reply of a sensual man? Such a man would have done everything to satisfy the whim of the objects of his affection. Nay, he would himself have desired that his wives should wear the most beautiful dress and live in comfort. No doubt the Prophet cherished great love for his wives.

i have addressed this

GODSON2009:
He had immense regard for the rights of women and was the champion of their cause.

no sire he didnt champion the cause of women,in fact he is the cause of women suffering untold and unimmaginable indignities and ill treatment in various islamic nations up untill the present day, if you want a list i ll avail you of his bias towards women

GODSON2009:
But when his wives came to him with what was apparently a quite legitimate demand to have more finery and ornaments, they were coldly told that if they would have these things they were not fit to live in the Prophet’s house. This shows beyond a shadow of doubt how free the Prophet’s mind was of all base and sensual thoughts. He was prepared to divorce all his wives rather than yield to what he regarded as unworthy of his wives — an inclination towards worldly things. It shows conclusively that the object of his marriages was anything but self-indulgence.

of course why wont he be prepared to divorce them when there are many more willing to replace them, he never hid his love for anything in skirts, or robes

GODSON2009:
Let us consider once more the historical facts which led the Prophet to take a number of wives within the short space of five years from the third year of Hijra to the seventh, while before that he passed nearly thirty years of his life in a monogamous state. This period coincides exactly with the period during which incessant war was carried on between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. The circle of Muslim brotherhood was at the time very narrow. The perpetual state of war created disparity between the male and the female elements of society. Husbands having fallen on the field of battle, their widows had to be provided for. But bread and butter was not the only provision needed in such cases. intimacy-inclination is implanted in human nature, and the statesman who neglects the intimacy requirements leads society to moral corruption, ending ultimately in the ruin of the whole nation. A reformer with whom morals were all in all could not content himself with making provision merely for the maintenance of the widows. The Prophet was anxious for their chastity to a far greater extent than their physical needs. It became therefore necessary allow polygamy. This is the reason that he himself took so many women for his wives during the period when war was raging. Nearly all his wives were widows. If self-indulgence were the motive, the choice would not have fallen on widows. It would have been an enviable privilege for any Muslim to be the father-in-law of the Prophet. But the object was a noble one — the protection of the widows of his friends. In polygamy alone lay the safety of the Muslim society.

the sign of a true prophet is rising above mere human frailities and indulgence,including an unquestionable moral rectitude.mohammad cannot aspire to be seen as a prophet yet indulging in what a mere normal human being will indulge in, the fact that there were a shortage of men does not mean that he should now ascribe to himself the job of taking in all these women as his own wives, why didnt he organise to assign these women to the rest of his male followers?or were they that few that the extra 12 or so women he took as wives would have been laying fallow??
if that was the only reason,what explanation do you have for mohammad having sexual relations with the female slaves,and why were his wives murmuring if this was the case??

GODSON2009:
That he was peace-loving by nature is shown by the clear injunctions relating to peace in the Holy Quran:

“And if they incline to peace, do thou also incline to it and trust in Allah , And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficient for thee.” [8:61,62]

well again opinion differs on this important note, you might see him as peaceloving,but the historical accounts say otherwise, there is a record of various injuctions and actions showing he was blood thirsty by killing innocent children,women even assasination through a proxy at one point non forgiveness,intolerance e.t.c
people who know me will tell you i always provide proof of all my assertions so dont be afriad to ask me i would have provided the relevant hadiths and quranic verses but im still at work now

GODSON2009:
The Prophet’s acceptance of the truce of Hudaibiya, though its conditions were humiliating for the Muslims, who were ready to lay down their lives one and all rather than accept those terms, is also a clear proof of his peace-loving nature. But when duty called him to take the field to save his community, he did not hesitate to take up the sword against an overwhelming majority. He acted as a sagacious general in all fields of battle and behaved like a brave soldier when opportunity demanded. He knew how to disperse an enemy in time before it had gained sufficient strength to deal a severe blow at the Muslims. And once, in the battle of Hunain, when his army was in flight owing to the severe onslaught of the enemy’s archers, he was all alone advancing towards the enemy forces, till his soldiers rallied round him. By disposition he had no inclination for war, yet circumstances arose which dragged him into the field of battle, and he then displayed the wisdom of a general and the bravery of a soldier. So by disposition he was not inclined to polygamy, living a celibate life of unexampled purity up to twenty-five years of age and a married life of a monogamous husband up to fifty-four, but when duty called him to take more women under his shelter, he answered the call of duty.

this is the only assertion that i agree with in your surmission,he was a military leader who indulged in several wars both justified and unjustified and led a group of ruthless and blood thirsty leutenants who murdered at will both innocent and guilty,armed and unarmed e.t.c
he was inclined to polygamy and serial hedonism,modern theorists will see him as indulging in paedophilia and he would be in jail if he did many of the things he did them and he definitely was not a moral example worthy of emulation

The life of the Prophet may be divided into four periods so far as his domestic life is concerned. Up to twenty-five he led a celibate life; from twenty-five to fifty-four he lived in a married state with one wife; from fifty-four to sixty he contracted several marriages; and lastly, from sixty till his death he did not contract any new marriage. The most important period to determine whether the Prophet was a slave to his passions is the period of celibacy. If he had not been a complete master of his passions, he could not have led an exceptionally chaste and pure life, which won him the title of al-Amin, to the age of twenty-five in a hot country like Arabia where development must necessarily take place early and passions are generally stronger. His worst enemies could not point to a single blot on his character when challenged later. According to Muir, all authorities agree “in ascribing to the youth of Muhammad a modesty of deportment and purity of manners rare among the people of Makka”.

Now, youth is the time when passions run riot, and the man who is able to control his passions in youth, and that in celibacy, cannot possibly be conceived as falling a prey to lust in his old age. Thus the first period of his life, his celibacy up to twenty-five years of age, is conclusive proof that the could never fall a prey to his passions. It should be noted in this connection that in Arab society at the time there was no moral sanction against an immoral life, so that it cannot be said that he was kept back from an evil course by the moral force of society. Profligacy, on the other hand, was the order of the day; and it was among people who prided themselves on loose sexual relations that the Prophet led a life of transcendent purity, and therefore all the more credit is due to his purity of character.

Take now the next period, the period of a monogamous married life. When twenty-five years of age, Muhammad married a widow, Khadija, fifteen years his senior, and led a life of the utmost devotion with her till she died, when he was fifty years of age. Polygamy was the rule in Arabia at the time; and the wife had not cause of complaint, nor did she ever grumble, if the husband brought in a second or third wife. The Prophet belonged to the noblest family of the Quraish and his marriage with Khadija had enriched him; and if he had chosen to marry another wife, it would have been quite easy for him. But he led a monogamous life of the utmost devotion to his wife during all that time. When Khadija died, he married a very elderly lady, Sauda, whose only recommendation for the honour was that she was the widow of a faithful companion of his who had to flee to Abyssinia from the persecution of the Quraish. The main part of his life, from twenty-five to fifty-four, was thus an example for his followers that monogamy was the rule in married life.

Now comes the third period. Of all his wives A’isha was the only one whom he married as a virgin. Her father, Abu Bakr, the closest friend of the Prophet had offered her to him when he suffered the great bereavement of losing both his wife and his uncle Abu Talib. The girl was one possessing exceptional qualities, and both Abu Bakr and the Prophet saw in her the great woman of the future who was best suited to perform the duties of the wife of a teacher who was to be a perfect exemplar for mankind. So the Prophet accepted her; but apparently she had not yet reached the age of puberty, and her marriage was consummated towards the close of the second year of the Flight.

Footnote on age of A’isha:

A great misconception prevails as to the age at which A’isha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that A’isha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than A’isha. This shows that A’isha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that A’isha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter entitled The Moon (fifty-fourth chapter) was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that A’isha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that A’isha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of A’isha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that A’isha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.

In the second year of the Flight began the series of battles with the Quraish and the other Arab tribes, which appreciably reduced the number of males, the bread-winners of the family. These battles continued up to the eighth year of the Flight, and it was during this time that the Prophet contracted all the marriages which appear objectionable to the modern mind, but which neither friend nor foe looked upon with disapprobation at the time. A Christian writer says:

It would be remembered, however, that most of Muhammad’s marriages may be explained at least as much by his pity for the forlorn condition of the persons concerned, as by other motives. They were almost all of them widows who were not remarkable either for their beauty or their wealth, but quite the reverse.

Let us look the facts straight in the face. The Prophet had now in his house a young and beautiful wife in A’isha. None of the other wives whom he married later compared with her either in youth or beauty. Surely then it was not attraction for beauty that led to these marriages. We have already seen that from his youth till his old age the Prophet remained a complete master of his passions. The man who could live in celibacy up to twenty-five and still have the reputation of a spotless character, who up to fifty-four lived with a single wife and this notwithstanding the fact that polygamy was more the rule than the exception at the time and that a polygamous connection was not in the least objectionable — such a man could not be said to have changed all of a sudden after fifty-five when old age generally soothes the passions even of those who cannot control their passions in youth. No other motive than compassion for the ladies who were given this honour can be attached to these marriages. If there had been any less honourable motive, his choice would have fallen on others than widows, and under the Arab custom a man in his position could have plenty of youthful virgins.

I have said that change for the worse could not come over a man who had led an undoubtedly spotless life until he reached fifty-five. If the beauty of women could not excite his passions in youth and lead him away from the path of rectitude, how could it lead him away in old age? And what were the circumstances in which he lived in Madina during these years? It was not a life of ease and luxury that he was leading at the time; it was a life of hardness, because it was at this very time that he had to carry on a life-or-death struggle with the enemies of Islam. Huge armies came to crush him and the small band of Muslims at Madina. The whole of Arabia was aflame against him. He was not secure for a minute. Battles had to be fought in quick succession. Expeditions had to be arranged and sent. “Prophet of God! We are tired of being in arms day and night,” his companions would say to him; and he had to console them by telling them that the time would come when a traveller would be able to go from one end of the country to the other without having any arms. The Jews and the Christians were his enemies along with the idolaters. His best friends were falling sometimes in battle and sometimes by treachery. Is it possible for a man to lead a life of ease and luxury under such circumstances? Even if a man had the mind to lead a life of self-indulgence, which the Prophet according to all available evidence had not, this was not the opportune time for it. In such circumstances of warfare, with enemies within Madina and enemies all around it, with the number of Muslims being insignificantly small in comparison with the enemy, with news of assaults by the overwhelming numbers on all sides, even a profligate’s life would be changed, to say nothing of a man of avowed purity of character, which no temptation could shake, turning into a profligate.

If the Prophet’s days during this period were passed so strenuously, how did he pass the nights? He had a number of lawful wives, but he did not spend his nights in enjoyment with them. There is clearest evidence on record in the Holy Quran as well as Hadith that he passed half, and sometimes even two-thirds, of the night in prayers and in reciting the Holy Quran while standing in prayer. He would stand so long that his feet would get swollen. Could such a man be said to be taking wives for self-indulgence when the minutest details of his life as available to show us conclusively that it was a strenuous life furthest away from indulgence of any kind?

Let us now consider another point. Was any change really witnessed in the latter part of his life when he became the ruler of a state?


When the Prophet actually became the ruler of a state, the furniture of his house was composed of a coarse matting of palm leaves for his bed and an earthen jug for water. Some nights he would go without food. For days no fire would be lighted in his house to prepare food, the whole family living on mere dates. There was no lack of means to live a life of ease and comfort. The public treasury was at his disposal. The well-to-do among his followers, who did not shrink from sacrificing their lives for his sake, would have been only too glad to provide him with every comfort of life, should he choose to avail himself of it. But worldly things carried little weight in his estimation. No mundane craving could ever prevail over him, neither in times of indigence nor of plenty. Just as he spurned wealth, power and beauty which the Quraish offered him when he was yet in a state of utmost helplessness, so did he remain indifferent to them when God granted him all these things out of His grace.

Not only did he himself live the simple life of a labourer, but he did not even allow wealth to have any attraction for his wives. Shortly after their immigration into Madina, the condition of the Muslims had changed, and they carried on a prosperous trade. Their conquests, later on, went further to add to the comforts of life which the Muslims enjoyed. A quite human desire crept into the hearts of the Prophet’s wives that, like other Muslim families, they too should avail themselves of their share of comforts. Accordingly, they approached the Prophet in a body to prevail upon him to allow them their legitimate share of worldly comforts. Thereupon came the Divine injunction:

“O Prophet ! Say to thy wives, If you desire this world's life and its ornature, come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing. And if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward.” [33:28,29]

Thus they were offered two alternatives. They might either have worldly finery, or remain in the Prophet’s household Should they decide to have the former, they would have plenty of what they wanted, but would forthwith forfeit the honour of being the Prophet’s wives. Is this the reply of a sensual man? Such a man would have done everything to satisfy the whim of the objects of his affection. Nay, he would himself have desired that his wives should wear the most beautiful dress and live in comfort. No doubt the Prophet cherished great love for his wives. He had immense regard for the rights of women and was the champion of their cause. But when his wives came to him with what was apparently a quite legitimate demand to have more finery and ornaments, they were coldly told that if they would have these things they were not fit to live in the Prophet’s house. This shows beyond a shadow of doubt how free the Prophet’s mind was of all base and sensual thoughts. He was prepared to divorce all his wives rather than yield to what he regarded as unworthy of his wives — an inclination towards worldly things. It shows conclusively that the object of his marriages was anything but self-indulgence.

Let us consider once more the historical facts which led the Prophet to take a number of wives within the short space of five years from the third year of Hijra to the seventh, while before that he passed nearly thirty years of his life in a monogamous state. This period coincides exactly with the period during which incessant war was carried on between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. The circle of Muslim brotherhood was at the time very narrow. The perpetual state of war created disparity between the male and the female elements of society. Husbands having fallen on the field of battle, their widows had to be provided for. But bread and butter was not the only provision needed in such cases. intimacy-inclination is implanted in human nature, and the statesman who neglects the intimacy requirements leads society to moral corruption, ending ultimately in the ruin of the whole nation. A reformer with whom morals were all in all could not content himself with making provision merely for the maintenance of the widows. The Prophet was anxious for their chastity to a far greater extent than their physical needs. It became therefore necessary allow polygamy. This is the reason that he himself took so many women for his wives during the period when war was raging. Nearly all his wives were widows. If self-indulgence were the motive, the choice would not have fallen on widows. It would have been an enviable privilege for any Muslim to be the father-in-law of the Prophet. But the object was a noble one — the protection of the widows of his friends. In polygamy alone lay the safety of the Muslim society.

That he was peace-loving by nature is shown by the clear injunctions relating to peace in the Holy Quran:

“And if they incline to peace, do thou also incline to it and trust in Allah , And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficient for thee.” [8:61,62]

The Prophet’s acceptance of the truce of Hudaibiya, though its conditions were humiliating for the Muslims, who were ready to lay down their lives one and all rather than accept those terms, is also a clear proof of his peace-loving nature. But when duty called him to take the field to save his community, he did not hesitate to take up the sword against an overwhelming majority. He acted as a sagacious general in all fields of battle and behaved like a brave soldier when opportunity demanded. He knew how to disperse an enemy in time before it had gained sufficient strength to deal a severe blow at the Muslims. And once, in the battle of Hunain, when his army was in flight owing to the severe onslaught of the enemy’s archers, he was all alone advancing towards the enemy forces, till his soldiers rallied round him. By disposition he had no inclination for war, yet circumstances arose which dragged him into the field of battle, and he then displayed the wisdom of a general and the bravery of a soldier. So by disposition he was not inclined to polygamy, living a celibate life of unexampled purity up to twenty-five years of age and a married life of a monogamous husband up to fifty-four, but when duty called him to take more women under his shelter, he answered the call of duty.

@poster
while i am all for peace and reckon the good doctor's fatwa is a step in the right direction i have to disagree with him that islam does not support suicide bombing or martyrdom.

using the yusuff ali translation#

quran 4;74 "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

quran 2;191 "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith"
(this particular verse which was the medinan verse which mohammad gave that abrogated all other meccan verses on toleration and peaceful co existence with other faiths)

the fact of the matter is that while the world needs modernist islamist scholars like the dr if not for anything to reduce the needless and senseless blood shed,majority of muslims will dismiss him as a western apologist and like sayyid qutb said in his critical treatise milestones"people like them are weak and trying to bow to western orientalists"

is that right?well then why dont you show me or point me to the posts where i have insulted or cursed anyonei have only done 490 postings so it shouldnt be too difficult to find a comment where i have abused or cursed like uplawal and the rest of her fellow muslims

uplawal:
what i wrote there does not require u to insult my religion,if i start now,you will all open your mouth and say we are this,we are that,no one is forcing youbut just a piece of advice if you only care

a piece of advice for you uplawal, being a good ambassador of one's rel;igion is not by what you say,or how you defend your religion but by your personal life and the way you act at all times,anywhere i go and anything i do i am always mindful of being a born again christian,if you offer me a bribe and i was tempted once i look at the redeemed hand band and my conscience reminds me of my faith i will come to my senses and retreat cursing and abusing people even though you have little understanding of the quran will not help your religion.
imagine me a born again christian knows more about your quran than you do,and you are telling me your religion is better
have a blessed day my sister

uplawal:
@godslave,i repeat it again ,if u act or sound foolish i will refer you to be a fool ten thousnd times,cos you spoke foolishly,u dnt have the right to judge the kind of position i was in christianity,and besides u urself conbined with your hypocritites pastors are not as good as i am

lol sister you must be a very angry person in real life ,now you are judging another human being how do you know i am an hypocrite without knowing me all i did was judge based on what you yourself wrote

uplawal:
by your first respone to the lady i can see that you are daft,call me what evr you wanna call me,that does not and cannot sstop me from retaliating if i want and if i choose to forgive the person its my business and if i chose to retaliate i cant be judged by that,if you dnt know,get it right,that does not make one not broken or born again,me i cant be a fool like you and the rest of you all becos i wanna prove holy.

i cant call you anything it has always been the islamic way to curse and attack,and the christians extend love and dont retaliate. like ghandi the late indian statesman said"an eye for an eye makes the world go blind"so if you retaliate upon every insult and every slap,how then are you going to convert people to your religion?
i thought islam was a religion of peace and love??
you say you dont want to be a fool,was mohammad a fool then??because he and his followers were persecuted by the meccans but he did not retaliate and he even told his followers not to retaliate you see how you have contradicted yourself?or you have not even read your quran sister uplawal

uplawal:
@godson,i honestly know for sure that youre not yourself, u cant judge me with the nonsense u wrote upthere,imagine you,a very useless brainless guy that haul insults on my religion ISLAM and ure here telling me i curse,if u dnt start cursing and insulting my God, i wont reply u okay,i cant mope at you while u insult my God and religin okay

im not cursing or insulting your god,i amstating the facts as i see it,you are not helping your religion by cursing and abusing people you know, imagine if i was thinking of converting would i do so after all the invectives and abuses you have been raining?
if you dont reply me then i wont be happy,cause i ll miss you

uplawal:
you cnt even stand me when i was a christian talkmore of now(Astagafurullah if am proud) man,you dirty hypocrite,claiming to be born again,infact youre an idiot,am i one of the christian harlots that uses hijab to commit actrocities that youre refering me to them,foolish man ,i just stated my code of dressing and how our own supercedes yours,youre hearing blabbing as usual,dnt go and tell your xtain sisters to be dressing the way reveren sisters dresses so that they will stop polluting the land with incest,fornication,adultery and millions of badstard kids around.

really then you must have been a very good christian then,its a shame what you have turned out to be after converting to islam lol
i dont know if you are one of the christian harlots,and even if you are my religion forbids me to judge another human being,what does your own religion say about judging others??
my own christian sisters,including my girlfriend will not even wear an armless,a skirt above the knee or uncover their head same as not all muslims wear the hijab and even a lot here and in london who do so are using it for cover up im sure you know i am right mostly amongst the asian community,and the somalian community in woolwich area and old kent e.t.c

uplawal:
@godslave,if you look more close when i wrote i had a boyfriend,i refered to my fiance and never had intimacy with him unlike you and your hypocrites do, my aim of having one was intention to marry him and not fornicate,so get that into your blocked big head

hen hen thats good clap for yourself,so when was the break up beforew abuzola??
even if we were watching a movie they ll show the break up before another relationship,be deceiving yourself there

Remii:
@uplawal, my sister, do your best not to trade insults or hash words with non Muslims, as an Ibadul rahaman (those who do everything for Allah's sake alone) one of the qualities of as written in Quran Surah Furqan 25/63-76) is When the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness. ‘

State your facts, they do not have to take it, but when it is the fact your mind would be clear. You may even choose to ignore those with who just make provocative and baseless comments. As much as possible avoid insulting words even when replying to a comment with one. Afterall why engaging in cyber war of words with a faceless person you may never meet. Spend your adrenalin in a better way. May Allah help you as you make effort to increase your faith.

seems you are new on this forum if not you will know what uplawal is like before now, thank you for the quranic verses which has proven how wrong uplawal is
one thing i always wondwer about is why majority muslims dont practise this

uplawal:
@luvola,if u say so,but remember u will be judged by this you've said,if you wanna be honest with yourself and save yourself from hellfire,why not read the Quran and you will know if is the real God or not

but you have not read the quran now uplawal?
you are not a christian and you r not a good muslim,remember what the quran says about lukewarm muslims and how they will suffer??

uplawal:
@godslave, for all i care, if i chose to defend my religion,that should not be your problem,i cant stand youy insult my religion,then expect me to mope at you,ure a joker,if thats what you call righteousness,its not in my own case and youre very wrong.

LOL LET ME ASK YOU,IS YOUR GOD ALIVE OR DEAD?IF HE IS ALIVE,WHY DONT YOU LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF THEN??it is only a dead god that needs the help of his adherents and followers to defend him,so you think insulting others,cursing and being violent is the right way to worship your god??shows what islam is really about doesnt it loveli sister uplawal

uplawal:
@godslave,keep fooling yourself,Lukman is programmed by his Lord ALLAH,you cannnot stray him if Allah has not permitted it,and if he did stray,that means hes among those that will disbelieve.

lol yes i agree with you,he finally realised your allah wasprogramming him before now he has seen the light and going towards the way of salvation,and im sure the angels are rejoicing in heaven for another lost sheep that has rejoined the fold, we r waiting for you as well sister

tb joshua is not GOD,all he can do is to ask GOD concerning yar adua

afiq:
Even the Pope doesn't have private jet

neither does any man of GOD own a country,with its private force priceless religious relics a thriving religious tourism e.t.c so