Akpacha: U the mind the small boy, that face ATTAH is carrying was cease from oba of Benin throne. We no be their mate. Proudly Igala.
It was ceased from igun were they made tge sculpture not at the palace and it was an unaware attack by the igala wgen benin retalated they had to sacrifice thier dearest to apeease the destruction... Lol
WriterX: IF YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE CULTURES AND TRADITIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE I URGE YOU ALL TO KINDLY STAY AWAY FROM TOPICS SUCH AS THIS.
THIS IS NOT AN AVENUE TO BASH OR SHAM CULTURES AND BELIEFS OF PEOPLE, WE ALL HAVE OUR HISTORY EVEN BEFORE THE WHITES CAME SO PLEASE STAY CLEAR OFF IF YOU CANT SIMPLY APPRECIATE HSITORY.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRADITION OR RELIGION ,ITS HISTORY SOMETHING MEANT TO BE REMEMBERED , CHERISHED AND WORTHY TO LEARN FROM.
TO THE OP, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TOPIC YOU MADE X's MORNING .
See you see answer for your front you nor fit still spy the festack mask you speak of is an edo mask called Ida named after the benin woman who deafted the igalas and not jukuns....
You need to read wide and dont just believe what you hear
Both tribe agrees to the story and it was a result of the war the popular festac mask was carved by the benins to represnt queen idah who went extreme to defeat the igalas probably youre not of this earth... Or maybe your tribe
Benin, is one of the minor groups in Nigeria, they are very few in number and are not even upto a state .... But despite thier population they have greatly influence nigeria just like the original greeks and romans had once done to the civilization of the world with thier few population.... But most people in nigeria are not aware about thier contribution to Nigeria culture because of thier relatively small, population and sometimes may wrongly attach their cultural contribution to nigeria to other tribes.... They have contributed in the aspect of
1)Food : the popular egusi(ogi) and pounded(ema) ,which they are called in benin. is one of the original food of the benins it has found its way to become a general delicacy in nigeria and sometimes "egusi is mistaken as an igbo food because of the name which is a very wrong attachment to origination .eguisi and pounded yam was a delicacy eaten by the benin people and also a food given to the gods of their land ,it was originally eaten with no spices or oil to the soup ,the soup was original white in clour when eaten with pounded yam before the arrival of garri as supplement....this practise of eaten egusi with no spice and oil is still practise when offering idols the food.....egusi should never been mistaken as an igbo soup.but an edo soup likewise ogbolor
2) Dressing styles: many people in nigeria are fast becoming to embrace the benin dressing style particularly the use of red coral beads and hairdress beads in nigeria especiall the igbos and yorubas The red coral stones where brought by the Portuguese as a more precious stones to replace the ekan beads(local beads) in benin, the stones were later carved into hair dress and necklaces and hand beads by the beadmarkers(iwebo) to its shape the more heat the coral go through the more red in colour it apppears ,it should also not be mistaken as a yoruba bead or igbo beads
3) Cultural practise : Benin as we know was one of the oldest empire to have existed in nigeria It had vassal state state under its rule and it directly influenced this vassals with cultural practise like the popular yam festival that its practise in the eastern part of nigeria and western part of nigeria its a benin culture which had originated from "igue festival back in benin that was done at the end of rainy season to mark the end of the year and give thanks to gods of the land .was spread by benin kings to thier various settlment.....it shouldnt be mistaken again for anyother tribe
4)Tourist attraction : Benin has a number of tourist atttraction which had drawn people from far and near to the city because of its glourious.cultural attraction the benin bronze and benin moat is one of the various tourist attraction ,and the popular festack mask that is a majour face of nigeria mask ,has its cultural root with the benins
5) Spoken words: most words of the benins are incorporated into nigeria words Aza: bank Ikebbe: ass Ororo: oil Iye: mother
And so many more i cant recall , i worote this article to help guide the reverence to the benin cultural practise around nigeria since cultures are not adequately taught in schools ,and most people are unaware were the cultural pratice originate from and would acknowledged the wrong tribe for the culture practise
Obalufon: laughing .can't discredit yoruba for being equestrian people the first horse was brought by ife to benin go and do your research ... migration of fulani into oyo at 18century... lol... you are a fool.... oyo katunga was coin out of ibi it le gbeti yo Oyo.. the spot oranmiyan fell from his horse back is where the city is built and named OYO after the even that took place according to ifa
Why will argue from a tribe that didnt document thier history....lol
Olu317: greyboy, I respect Bini Kingdom as I respect Oyo Empire because these Kingdoms did make Yoruba proud. But you people of Edo extract don't always want to acknowledged the humble Yoruba ancestors willingness who helped the people they met in these new land God pushed them to . These men didn't care about self interest but humanity but today, some of you people lie and deny the Yoruba impact in Igodmigodo land. Oga, I am a radical descendant of Odua with fact and he was too . I don't joke with the reality aspects of my ancestors.
Say the truth always bro and the peace within comes.
Izoduwa was nothing to benin....
Neither was it the sole progeniture of the yoruba race he only happened to have been banished by the benins and found is way to ife and yorubas made him the greatest king ever....
Oba ewuare and ewakpe is the only king who had made benin great izoduwa was nothing here get your fact right....
Benins did enough to civilized yorubas ...
Our chiefs were there to guide the onni through and the ooni sculpture was buried in benin
Olu317: It is in your Edo history through BBC, that Oranmian was the first man who came on horse to Igodomigodo around 1170 AD . This alone is civilization to Edo people.
It is on record that Bini is a name that's of Yoruba origin Edo land. This is civilization.
It is on record that the name ‘Ora'. came through a son of Bini Oba's kingdom's Prince . This name has been in Yoruba land immemorial. This is civilization because Yoruba taught you their word as part of your lexicon.
It is on record that Yoruba knowledge of Religion of Oranmi ela ( Ifaodu ) came to Bini. This is civilization to you people.
All these happened before 1300AD that your Art existed,which actually mean Yoruba taught you Art work......Please doubt me and let me give you research work on Art works in Bini and Ife.
Cheers.
Lol.....funny man You are using both toaf ans olu137 account nice
First of all ile ife nevered used horse the only people who used horse were oyo as a resukt of migration of the fulani into oyo at late 18c and it was much more later after the death of oduduwa and this horses didnt last....because of thier region so it was quickly forgone
The horse with a man that was mistaken by western historian as benin art Was actually a benin republic art work not a benin artwork So young mam no yoruba came on horse to benin
Also because the word “ora" its a yoruba word meaning it was introduce by yorubas to benin or because obama has the word oba meaning nigeria colonized kenya
I dare you prove your point not with only links pictures artefact anything to make it correct
Obalufon: You are a meat head man..laughing said patron of white cloth Obatala approximately 10,000yrs if not more cotton has been part of human civilization for more than 7000yrs fool
What school did you attend so i had be arguing with morons since ....
If you wont revoke this statement or give a credible prove to it , then am done replying you
You should be ashamed about this speech you made if you make this statement outside you will be a laughing stock by your own people
Obalufon: come to igbo olokun ile-ife i will show idence.. my forefather bubble glass when your ancestor were still ape like hominid roaming around the jungle hunting for rodents trying to escape evolution trap
It is snapable plesse do the needfull and snap it
Forget about the carbin dating first we can discuss that later but snap it first
Obalufon: Textile came from far north Africa lol Do they even grow cotton"". traded with the Benin likewise yoruba. You won't agree we cloth your forefathers ..You people were jungle trapped you were not known traders back then. ..Yoruba invented cotton spinning and fastest male manual weaving machine till date ..patron of white cloth obatala 10 thousands years ago...
Wtf young man are you high....
You must be high on cheap drugs ....lol
Yorubas invented weaving machine 10,000 yrs ago i blame the yoruba educational sysytem it is so poor
Kpele you need a sleep 10yrs ke.... Nor b only na 200000000000 billion years ago Wiseman from the west...dont say this outside please
Obalufon: Textile came from far north Africa lol Do they even grow cotton"". traded with the Benin likewise yoruba. You won't agree we cloth your forefathers ..You people were jungle trapped you were not known traders back then. ..Yoruba invented cotton spinning and fastest male manual weaving machine till date ..patron of white cloth obatala 10 thousands years ago...
Olu317: Stop fuming because Yoruba ancestors weren't your ancestors contemporary but Teachers to your people. Below are the well established research work done by internal and external researchers of repute:
1.Yorubas ancestors were not taught by European in beads production
Ethnographic and historical data show that glass production was well established in southwestern Nigeria by about 1200 (Euba 1982; Eluyemi 1986). Glass was a prestigious and almost always strongly colored material that was used in the manufacture of beads and other objects that were presented as gifts. Unlike the fabrication of brass and sculpture, glassmaking was not a well-known phenomenon in sub-Saharan Africa, which underscores the uniqueness of the Ile-Ife beadmaking industry.
2. European of German renown researcher said, IleIfe is a city of bead production in his book
Frobenius (1913, p. 309) referred to the town as the center of beadworking.
3. Evidence showed beads were sold outside Ileife as far back as 1200AD before contact with Europeans
There is now scientific evidence suggesting that bluegreen glass beads made in Ile-Ife were being traded outside the Yoruba area long before the era of European contact (Shaw 1970; Davison, Giauque, and Clark 1971; Robertshaw and others 2003). These beads apparently disappeared about the 18th century because less expensive beads were available from Europe.
4. It is proven that bead were produced in Ile ife after scientific series of experiment to confirm if it is a false or has external influence
Samples for experimental recipes were obtained from the sand deposits. The details of this analysis have been presented elsewhere (Ige 2009). The results show that most of the aboriginal drawn glass beads were manufactured from glass produced by melting granitic sands, some times blended with ritual snail shells. According to informants, snail shells were mixed with sand from Olokun streams and glass recipes were formulated according to cultural uses and societal stratification. The glassmakers made one recipe with abundant snail shells for priests, and another, with moderate levels of calcium, for kings and chiefs. Glass with the lowest quantity of calcium was produced for commoners.
5. They Yoruba ancestors were scientists with knowledge of chemical compounds
Chemical Classification Several methods have been employed in the chemical analysis of the glass beads from Ile-Ife. They include electron probe microanalysis (EPMA), scanning electron microscopy with energy-dispersive spectroscopy (SEMEDS), and the accelerator-based method of proton- induced X-ray emission (PIXE) (Ige 2009). The trace- element and isotopic compositions of the beads are now being determined in cooperation with Dr. Robert H. Brill, research scientist emeritus at The Corning Museum of Glass. The chemical classification discussed below is based on analyses with the JEOL 8600 SuperProbe electron microprobe at the Department of Geology of the University of Georgia.
Advice. Let me stop here for now so that you can understand that we are foreigners from a faraway land to impose our knowledge on all daring neighbours as yours that the Yoruba ancestors exposed to civilization
What do you mean by “expose to civilization" if we are on open audience can you defend that quote
In fact read for perusal, ‘Classification and Preservation of Ancient Glass Beads from Ile-Ife, Southwestern Nigeria'.
What do you mean by “expose to civilization" if we are on open audience can you defend that quote
The issues am having with the yorubas is not thir lies but about thier dogmatism ,the poor educational sysytem in the west teaches them within the conferment of thiee tribe and litlle of igbo and hausaa neglecting other minor tribes ...a yoruba guy once told me bini is igbo" if they know little about nothing about nigeria imagine the outside world
Back to the point... No tribe was taught how to make beads ,beads were indigenous to africa just like the european counterpart you will know this if you do your research ...
The Benin beads is are of two type ekan and ivie . Ekan beads were the original local beads gotten from benin they are greyish precious stones carved into beads by the benin people “picture one shows a dwarf in benin wearing an ekan beads before the arrival of the pourtugues" The arrival of the Portuguese brought the ivie beads, which were coral stone gotten from the ocean by the Portuguese which was melted and carved into the red coral beads you see the benin wear by the ”iwebo" people in Benin who were incharge Of bead making and oba regalia the Portuguese traded the coral Stone's for local product the coral beads are not found in other african countries the Portuguese traded with ,probably this african countries didnt use anyform of beads before the arrival of the Portuguese or can you find the beads in pourtugal because it was made and shaped by the benin people themselves
They were introduced to the Binis by the Portuguese in the late 1400s. I am glad you admitted this.
Provide your evidence for bead production in Benin kingdom prior to the 1400s. Impossible!
The so-called Evie and Ekan were not used in Benin until the late 1400s.
Ile-Ife, on the other hand, has been using, producing, and exporting beads to North Africa since as early as the 1100s, and in fact centuries earlier.
Hahaha, here you go again with your laughable claim that Benin ruled over Ife.
Now, you're calling Oba Erediauwa of Benin kingdom a fool for admitting that the kings of Ife were regarded by the Binis as Almighty God in human flesh.
Why do your dead kings in the past always have their heads exhumed and taken to Ife for burial at the Orun Oba Ado site??
I have always challenged you on this question and you've always ignored and run away. It is time for you to stop running away. Answer now!
I kind of pity you right now.
We dug a full sculpture of the onni of ife out of oba palace we are yet to see a dug head of the oba of benin...ww only got to see only ife heads and nothing more so stop that rubbish lie....
Ife produce beads can i see the beads it produce with dating and the people incharge of producing this beads
Unlike the benin you try to disprove as an entire guild settlement incharge of the royal regalia including bead making they are called "ewebo"
The first benin beads which is called “ekan" were made of precious grey stones carved just like the ivie(coral beads) the Portuguese happen to have brought the coral stones from the ocean and was carved into ivie by the iwebo" incharge of the oba Regalia's and also invented the hair beaded dress worn by the queens called okuku
So tell me Yoruba's bead making
The link here discuss the the quild system of iwebo society who were incharge of bead making
Obalufon: coral beads were introduce to the Benin by Portuguese to complement scarcity of ife glass beads ..Coral plant are harvest from the bottom of the sea to make beads which is totally different from glass beads... Yoruba smelt precious stone into glass beads and ornaments , bangles and bowl ..Our ologun and Aje worshipers also harvest pals and coral plant too from the bottom of the sea but not known to you people they introduced cowry shell. also developed the technique of breading of cowry Snell in hinterland for their shell
A mere claim once more were is the evidence benin used yoruba beads
Obalufon: which north lol... you mean Hausa.. you are fucking idiot the stones used in production of glass beads were local native to our region.. Every deity has its own beads do your research Mr Edo.. we are superior to you people, without the yorubas your forefather will have no cloth to cover their nasty ass.. i guess you mean the bones and nut beads stick beads your ancestor were using before the coming of oranmiyan... Even ivory crafting were done by the Owos for Benin royal palace
History had already said yorubas traded kolanut with the north for textile and beads
I didnt say it...history did
About the fact that said the yorubas civilized benin makes me laugh... I wonder were the civilization came from....
The ooni of ife hut at ife is it where the civilization came from...
The textile material, you speak of came as far as north africa and was trade in the sub Sahara by the hausas and fulani to every other tribe down sahara the sub saharans (Yoruba's and other tribes ) specialized in dyeing and sewing the textile to what they want.....
Which one of this happen to be the popular yoruba dress called adire".... And the popular benin hairdress(okuku)
Now
The textile was also trade to benin just thesame way it was traded to the yorubas... history made it clear oromiyan didnt rule as a King in benin nor even venture to the palace before he left to oyo....so my Yoruba brothers tell me who brought the civilization
Our chiefs were made a sculpture for to show adornment of our(Benin) contribution to ife....and the ooni sculpture was buried in the palace of benin to show benin superiorty over ife
Benin was divide into guild and one this quild happen to takecare of oba of benin wardrope( Regalia's) and they were incharge making the coral beads and the popular hairdress okuku they are known as the “ewebo"
OMANBALA1: Not all mixed kids are beautiful....Not all black women are beautiful and definitely not all White women are beautiful but what makes you a diehard black man is your loyalty to the black woman....we must love , respect and honor the qualified black women because our women have been abused emotionally and globally and only us can redeem their image. Because of the way our women have been subjected to mockery it leaves them with low self esteem which leads to want to be like others...example: fake hair worn by most black women.
The fake hair our women cannot be worn by any other race so its uniquely for black women ......so let them wear it looks good on them and unique to them too... And also wearing thier natural hair also looks good too i personally love ladies on lowcut.... And ladies who can style thier natural hair too ... A lady who carries her natural hair and has good curves is my goddess of love other guys love it more if they wear weavons.... ....
Obalufon: Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia
This is mere claims ...beads were traded all around africa before the arrival of the whitemen ....yorubas traded kolanut with the north for beads for beads and textile materials ....this is known fact ....
You have to do more research work to lay claims if any beads were ever done in youruba
Obalufon: Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia
No the ife beads were originally different from the benin beads ife beads were made of Stone's and brownish in nature ...
Some were gotten from the north particularly the beads the muslim use for their prayers the benin beads were very different from the ife beads
The Yoruba's slaves taken from nigeria to brazil had some of the original yoruba beads and they were brown and was like Stone's
Obalufon: Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia
Haha benin beads and ife beads is just too different for that statement you made ....
The present coral beads that has become a general bead wear in nigeria was brough by the Portuguese. ..
The benin local beads are dark red and was done in benin... Benin the mighty forest reigned over ife ... Anywhere a benin prince set is foot he makes king
You showed a screenshot of a Museum curator standing next to a sculpture.
And then you made up a lie from thin air that the sculpture is a Benin Chief.
It turned out that it was voices in your head that directed you, as usual, to call the sculpture a Benin Chief.
The primary evidence you presented was the screenshot of a video, yet the video turned out to betray you. . What a pity?! Hahaha
Once again I challenge you, name the voices in your head who informed you that that was a Bini chief.
Because you've obviously been betrayed by every known scholar, such as: Francis Marzio, --- the same Museum curator in your own screenshot;Suzanne P. Blier --- the Havard Professor of African Art and Architectire; Henry J. Drewal --- another Professor of African Art.
Your case is as that of a child who says 1+1 = 5, and then when he corrected by at least three 3 different and independent Professors of Mathematics, the child replies saying: each of these three Professors of Mathematics have no idea what they're talking about.
At the point, the parent should stop arguing and immediately lead the child to the hospital as a matter of urgency.
In light of this, I implore to seek treatment very urgently. I have obviously dealt you a great blow months ago.
Also, I am waiting for you to substantiate all your personal word of mouth above with any shred of evidence or proof.
You can't simply bring anything from your head like: Benin influenced Ife and other Yoruba; or Yoruba make beads from stone; or Yoruba imported their beads from the North (even when schors state the precise opposite); and expect even your fellow Bini retards to believe them without evidence.
I like to emphasize again (for the sake of unsuspecting persons whom you love to target) that I have already debunked all your claims, by demonstratingg with heavy incontrovertible evidence that:
1. The Ooni of Ife was suzerain, imperial, and divine over Benin kingdom.
2. Ile-Ife civilized Benin kingdom into the art of metal casting and the metal casting techniques.
3. The USE of beads wasn't introduced into Benin kingdom until during the reign of Ewuare1 in the 1400s
4. Ile-Ife had been flourishing as a center of glass beads (and coral beads) PRODUCTION since as early as the 1100s, and perhaps earlier --- that is, centuries before beads use was allowed in Benin kingdom.
5. Ife artworks predates the earliest extant Benin artworks by a minimum of 300 years.
You've ran away like bi.tch for months now (and still counting) just because you couldn't deny any of my argument with which I reached each of the foregoing conclusions.
C'mon, have some balls. Your fellow Binis must be embarrassed on your behalf now because you already lie uncontrollable.
You need a sleep....
I to 5 are mere claims
Benin civilized and ruled ife
Benin gave ife the most precious king oduduwa
Benin introduce beads to ife through chiefs
Benin introduce sculpture works to ife . benin controlled yoruba territories than tge oyo empire did
The ooni is trying to dress like a benin king to stay relevant
The ooni comes to burial their bodys in benin to gain recognition
TAO11: Tell this to your fellow Benin retards who have no idea of the number of times I've flogged you black and blue while you run away only to come back for more months later like a prostitute.
I doubt if your Benin brother, Atigba will agree with you on this because he's always against you while he defends the historical fact that all the Obas of Benin till date are Yorubas.
Dear olajigaolamide, pay no heed to the poor Benin mythomaniac called gregyboy for he is out to distort and lie to unsuspecting people on Nairaland. Many people already know him, but this may be your first time encountering him.
The fact that this lad had to resort to lying is a full proof that he has admitted not only to be on the wrong path, but that he is in fact inferior.
The first image he attached is of a curator of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts, Francis Marzio, while she stood beside the sculpture of a certain Ife individual known by the name Idena a.k.a. Adina who was the first priest of Ore in Ile-Ife.
The sculptures of Idena --- Ore's priest, and of Ore himself were excavated from Ore-Grove in Ile-Ife.
From my first attached screenshot below, you would notice that both Ore and Idena are depicted to be adorning the round beaded necklace; while Ore has additional longer beaded necklace extending down almost to the knee level.
Also, Ore's beaded bracelets almost extend to his elbows in contrast to his priest's. Ore is a notable early Ife hunter who became deified.
You could have asked the Benin liar called gregyboy to identify the expert standing beside the sculpture he attached. Lol!
And then ask him to provide a statement from the same expert herself (or from any expert work for that matter) which says that the sculpture represents a Bini chief.
With such a simple request alone, you would have gotten him rambling and confused before he would then finally run away. Lol.
Guess what, the curator makes it clear in the video that the figure is an Ife sculpture by the name Adina (as opposed to being of a Benin chief found in Ife as fraudulently claimed by gregyboy).
Maybe gregyboy will tell us the meaning of Adina from his Edo language.
Moreover, the curator in the same video clearly attributed the source of Adena's beaded necklace and beaded bracelets to Ile-Ife itself.
She quickly added and clarified in connection to Adena's beaded necklaces and beaded bracelets that:
"The wealth of Ife was due to bead making tradition. They exported their glass beads North to the North of Africa and made this area very prosperous."
It was as if she already knew you to be an unrepentant liar.
My attached screenshot below of Ore and his priest, Idena is taken from the work of an Havard professor of Arican Art and Architecture, Profesor Suzanne Preston Blier which confirms the sculpture to be of Ore's priest, as opposed to gregyboy 's imagination of some Bini chief.
See: Suzanne P. Blier, "Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba", Journal of African Arts, Winter 2012, Vol. 45, No. 4, p. 72.
Regarding his claim that Yoruba beads are not red but brown. He is again doing what he does best --- that is, blatantly lying even in the face of evidence.
For the record, the Yorubas have several varieties of beads of different colours (blue, white, red, brown, etc.), shapes (spherical, ellipsoid, cylindrical, etc.), and materials (glass, coral, etc.).
The most prominent of these being the red tubular coral beads called Iyun, as well as as the blue dichroic glass beads called Segi.
The second attachment below shows samples of some red beads discovered and recovered from Ife by a team of experts who conducted finds at Ife.
These beads as they are here are presently kept in the British Museum. They were entered into the Museum's archives in 1946.
Moreover, it has already been demonstrated clearly to the mythomaniac called gregyboy that:
1. At the time when Ife was already producing beads, Benin kingdom had not yet began the use beads. They dared not!
2. At the time when Ife artists were casting sculptures of Oonis showing a lavish and elaborate adorment of beads (such as the two ancient Ife sculptures shown in my first comment on this thread), the Binis had not dared begun the use of beads.
I have clearly established these two foregoing points (among others) with overwhelming evidence in the following threads, and I have challenged gregyboy to refute them. But guess what, he always runs away:
Oh ye gregyboy, I hope you will have some balls to return to the aforementioned threads from which you've fled for months now, and at least say something --- although has to be something sensible, assuming that's even possible. Lol.
Please olajigaolamide, do not forget to always copy me if you by chance find gregyboy lying on any thread concerning Yoruba and Benin connection.
gregyboy must be regretting already that I'm on Nairaland.
Thanks!
Lol...you will quote articles and reference and it will still not conform to your point ....
See the way you wrote lt like the white lady was there when the sculpture was made or like she is even a yoruba woman... She is a white lady who probably dont have much of her own personal information on other culture in Nigeria than the information given by the yoruba people.
And by that she is bound to make error's
The sculpture was dug up late 19c and it was "given a name" we know the Yoruba's lacked documentation unlike thier benin counterpart ,and even if the name that was given id correct, that also wont change the fact the he is a bini chief who was given a yoruba name at ife.as you can see there is no stratification on his face to tell he was a Benin man
Here is a typical benin chief
At pics one
Pics 2 is shows the sculpture
You dont always have to fight it ... Bini influenced ife and other yoruba state even if we are minors in nigeria it wont chage that fact....
The original beads of the Yoruba's were made of local materials like stones and the others were imported from the north who uptill date still go about selling beads as trade...
MJuda: I am a South African and I have been accused of being Igbo. Technically, I am. We call ourselves Thembu people or eMbo or Mambo.
My person lineage is: MBEKE or MBEKO or MBANGO OR BHENGU (A BENIN AND ZULU SURNAME - I MET A ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST FROM BENIN WITH BHENGU AS A SURNAME) OR Bhele or Pedi or Dube or Medupi or Mvubi (the last 2 mean Torrential rain - this is also called the Rainmaker tribe) or Mbube or Ngonyama or Duma or Tau meaning Lion bore Mbambo (Mbambo comes from the Zulu House and is the plural of Mambo or eMbu also called Mkhize or Kisii - the latter is in Kenya, where most South African Zulus migrated from - Kenyans and Zulus are the same tribes) who bore Zwane or Msane or Masia or Mosia or Siamo or Seme or Dlomo or Molomo or Olomo or Oromo or Mzila or Amazias or Sela - my surname. These last are the Esan.
In fact, the current Zulu state/Land, called ElaMthaniya or Azania, is named after Esan or Mathanias or Mthaniya or Mathathias or Ndwandwe or Ndawonde or Dawude (the tribe that created the inter-Zulu wars that chased Zulus from South Africa to as far as Nigeria, Morrocco and Egypt and Middle East. They called themselves Ngoni and Khafula or Fulani or BaNguni or simply Nguni.
The whole of Africa comes from Edo or who we call Ntu the progenitor of the Bantu. Benin means Nguni. The princes of Bantu are called Mntungwa or Tonga or Othokhua or Ndonga or Toka or Hlalo or Hlongwa or BaTlokwa or Masoka or Masao or Saul or Sigcau or Sikhawu or Sikuke or Sikuka or BaTau or Mbuduma or Manala or Gala or Ngala or Ngonyama or Mbube or Mvumbi or Medupi or Dube or Mbedu or Obed.
From Otokhua or Mthonga came Okhuelesan or Ngwelezane (my local township - see the Zane in it stands for Zwane and Ngwe stands for the name for King amongst Zulus and my verbal libation = Mangwe or Mungwe = Leopard and it also means that in Far West Africa) or Mgwezane or Chisane or Chiliza or Chili the Chief tribe of the Ngwane or Akhan or Kani. The second is Esan or Zwane and the last is eMbu or Mambo or Igbo or Thembu. These are the Zulus of South Africa.
We settled in Mozambique and spread out thereafter but were pushed by Portuguese, English and Dutch and Germans to South Africa.
In Southern Africa, we acknowledge that we are all related. But apartheid and colonialism has us talking about differences instead of talking about similarities. That is why everyone knows what separates a tribe from another but not what brings you together.
My answer: Esan and Igbo's relationship is that Esan come from Igbo and rule the Igbo people. IGBO people and Benin people are the same. In South Africa, they are called Malambule or Khambule or Makhathini (Sons of Gad) or Gabengu = Sons of Bengu = BeNguni or Nguni (which is what Xulus/Zulus/Tulus/Sulus or Julus called themselves) or Banguni = Bulani = Fulani = Sons of Faku or Fakir/Fani/Fana or KaFana or Cabana or Cinga or Cai or Khai or Michael or Ngai or Magaye or Malawi or Malai or Merari. NGUNI is known as the progenitor of all Zulus. I believe Nigerians use Ogun and Jukun both in use in one form or other in South Africa.
Guni is also the 2nd son of Naphtali (Nephu-Thali, Nephu or Napo or Gambu or Gafu or Cafu or Funga or Pona or Buka or Sheba or Shaba is the progeny of the Igbo or Bhengu/Bhule or Fule or Fenkhu or Phoenicians who bore the Igbo/Mambo/Kisii or Mkhize or Zechi or Zwideor Esan or Zwane or Zagwe or Zangwe or Zakwe or Zie and Thali or Jali or Jair or Tyali or Mtshali, a tribe made up of Manasses and Judah and formed part of Benjamin but they ruled over the tribe of Manasses - this is all in the Bible), the fifth son of Jacob/Israel and Abia or Bemba or Mphemba, a concubine/Junior wife to 2nd wife Rachel, who ruled over the tribe of Gad, the 6th son of Jacob/Israel and Zilhar or Zimba, a concubine.
I know no-one will know this but it is worth a read. Something happened to us for us not to remember all of this...
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