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chyzoo4u:
I don't know how this sound to people's ears but it irritates me badly. Like, "he was sacked for not being effective in evangelism" how does that sound?

Do you think Jesus will do same? Even if that's the reason, what happens to praying for the pastors and giving them more training? Or is this what prayers cannot do?
Jesus won't even pay them salaries in the first place. He was sacked from collecting salary not from continuing his evangelism. It is hypocrisy to say they are working for God so they don't need physical members but they should use the money from the pastor's that have physical members to pay him salary. I'd it compulsory he must collect salary? Let him work for God for free. Oyedepo can't sack him from doing evangelism
People left even while Jesus our Lord was preaching on earth with only His disciples remaining, and He asked why they're still with Him, why didn't they leave too.

The Bible says even if no one will praise God He'll raise up stones to praise Him. Must there be population growth in Church before you know that you're winning souls? Can't someone win a soul that is attending another Church?

Besides, it's not everyone that was preached to will repent. God knows about this when He says when you go to preach the gospel and weren't accepted by a house, you should dust your foot and leave.

Mind you, these Pastors started working in the Lord's vineyard just last year, and in one year or so they're thrown out for poot growth index.

Let's be careful with what we defend.

In the first instance, Jesus won't even pay you salary for evangelism . Your reward is in heaven. Oyedepo sacked him from collecting salaries not from evangelism. Jesus didn't sack him so why are you irritated? He can as well continue to evangelis for God but don't expect oyedepo to pay him for that. Allow Jesus to do that. How is that difficult? You want oyedepo to keep paying him from whose purse? Who told you they haven't done training for them? Who told you they havent done everything possible for them...so just assume the pastor is lazy or even troublesome which is obvious from the way he came to social media or distruptive, he may be hampering church growth and they can rightly fire him. If they do that, they are not saying Don't carry Bible again. They are not saying....don't call yourself pastor again. Just get paid yourself. How is that difficult for you to understand or is there somewhere in the Bible where God said oyedepo must pay pastors for effective evangelism.

MT:
The bolded is quite instructive.

I guess you don't know how to read sarcasm. The person I quoted was the one that was saying he is a business man so I was just sarcastically emphasising him. Regardless, wether he is a businessman or not, he is very successful at what he does. Face your own business

BluntTheApostle:
The Church is long overdue for a Revival.

Like Lieutenant Waters (Bruce Willis) said in Tears of the Sun "God already left Africa"

Yes o . He has relocated to America to start gay Churches.

BluntTheApostle:
Oyedepo the businessman has done nothing wrong.

And Oyedepo the businessman is the one I am familiar with.

The only problem I have with him is twisting the Scriptures to fit his business plans.

All you need to do is to start your own church based on untwisted scripture and then win back the souls of the lost from the businessman. That will serve Christianity more than regular attack on his millions of followers. As a blunt apostle, you need to step up your game or remove apostle from your name.

MT:
Nice submission. Maybe all this complexity would have been resolved if Oyedepo has not sat on church money from day 1. Maybe if Oyedepo has an identifiable business from the day he founded the church and not earning salary from the church but just preach and go to his regular job, maybe it would have been better.

So in a way we both align in our perspective that this is a business gone wrong between the pastor and Oyedepo.

Exactly...so if oyedepo is so hardworking that he could build his business that much, I don't see any reason why he should tolerate any other lazy employee. Therefore, oyedepo didn't do anything wrong in sacking an unproductive employee.. case closed

BluntTheApostle:
No matter how you look at it, Oyedepo and Winners Chapel got this totally wrong.

If Christ was concerned about church growth in terms of population, He would not have told the parables of the lost sheep and lost coin.

Better one sincere worshipper than hundreds of mere church goers and bench warmers.

Christ was never particular about numbers. In fact, narrow is the way, and only a few would find it.

May God save Christianity from these pastorpreneurs.

You are very correct. Only that Christ did not pay anybody to look for the lost sheep. This pastor don't need oyedepo to save a soul for Christ. You don't expect another man to pay you for doing God's work. He was sacked from collecting salary...not sacked from working for God. If money is not his motivation, I can't see any issue here. He should continue with that one genuine worshipper for God and God will bless him . Oyedepo has done nothing wrong here

triplechoice:
The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.

BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengage by oyedepo who seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians

Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.

I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any

I didn't read your write up finish. An insider that didn't talk until he was sacked. Please now...learn how to discuss intelligently on social media. Even if I don't know you, I will at least respect you. With what you wrote up here...you need a good second impression to dispel the rubbish you typed up there.
NB- I won't respond to your reply if you are not intelligent. You can abuse me but please, write intelligently

wirinet:
Read my post once again and try and comprehend before rushing to take a bullet or strap a bomb for Oyedepo.
There is no where empty seats or lazy pastors were ever mentioned or discussed. The termed used was church growth index.

Abeg yahoo boy comot. You can't contribute intelligently. You will just be derailing. Define the term church growth index ? so empty seats was not mentioned but money was mentioned abi because you are running your mouth all over the thread that they sacked him because he couldn't bring money to oyedepo. So you know empty seats was not mentioned , lazy pastor was not mentioned so where did they mention money in the letter? . I don't attend winners and I do t owe you explanation if I do.

wirinet:
Abeg dey lie small small now. Even Lai Mohammed no lie reach this.

My wife is a Winners member and in the beginning I followed her and the children to church to as support even though I do not even believe or like the church.

Not long after attending service regularly, i was asked to join the Publicity Unit. I was among those that took minutes of the pastors preaching for publication for the next bulletin.

Every Sunday they we always asking for one donation or the other. If its not the new children's church building donation, it would be to buy busses for the transportation unit. The first time I attended the publicity unit meeting I was forced to make a pledge. They were even using my apartment for the Saturday fellowships. In every meeting and fellowship we were required to make an offering. The last straw for me was when I was asked to pay N1,500 for the vest they gave me to identify me as a member of the publicity unit so I could walk around the church without any harassment from the security guys. I told them than I am using my resources and talent to serve the church free of charge and they expect me to pay for a vest I only use to do their job. I quit there and then. I told my wife that even though I love her and I will always support her, I would never step a foot it that church again.

Winners church exploit people to the fullest.

Can you see yourself? You quit because of 1500 to buy vest believing you are doing their job. When it was time to work, you believed you were doing it for them just because they asked you to pay 1500 ..why can't you say you were doing it for God? So you now want them to pay this pastor for free because now it is God's work. When it was time for you to pay ..you were doing it for them, now that they sacked the pastor they shouldn't because the pastor is doing it for God.

wirinet:
O boy see stupid argument to defend God of Men. I am sure you are ready to drink cool aid for Oyedepo's sake.

Ok, answer this. Why should it be the senior pastor that will take (kolobi) all the tithes and offering of all the branches? If the junior pastor is allowed to take the tithes and offerings of his branch, will he be asking for salaries from the senior pastor?

Does it then make sense for God to bless a particular branch with tithes and offerings and the junior pastor that God used to collect the blessings cannot be paid directly from that blessings.

So who is now making stupid argument? Does it make sense to use the tithe paid by members of a hardworking pastor whose fruits are obvious for all to see and then use it to pay a pastor that has empty seats? If other pastors can work to bring people to the fold, why can't this pastor do same? Lazy People all over. Oyedepo pays every pastor so what is the argument that they are not using the tithe to pay the pastors working? What you are now saying is that they should also pay lazy pastors and if you believe the pastor's work is in heaven then heaven will pay him. You can't blame the pastor for that

MT:
"A pastor without a sheep has lost his job already.."

Can I have a Bible reference for this? Why did you discount the fact that when a pastor preaches and God wins a soul through him, it is NOT compulsory for that soul to worship in that church?; He could go away and worship somewhere else.

While at that, point me to a reference in the bible where God commands us to be doing growth index by number of worshippers in church.

When we talk of politics, we talk of constitution, when we talk of God, we should talk about the bible, not your own assumption.

You will need to answer this question first. Who employs the pastor? God or Oyedepo? If it is God, God will pay him since only God can appreciate whatever he does. Only God knows how many souls he saved in heaven. If you are now saying it was oyedepo that employed.. where do you expect oyedepo to get money to pay him? Since this is purely God's work, I expect you to condemn the pastor that was sacked not the one that sacked him..He expects another man to pay him for doing God's work. Does that makes any sense to you? Finally, you are asking me for a quotation about pastors in the Bible....There were no pastors per see in the Bible. There were priests.....and they were paid from the tithes by members of the congregation not by salary from a senior pastor. Even in the New testament.....the members brought everything they had to the church so it was shared. Bottom line is that it is not possible to pay or feed a pastor according to the Bible without members. Now that the church is empty...why should the pastor be paid by a senior pastor? Show me a reference in the Bible where it was the senior pastor that was paying salary to the junior pastor heading empty churches? Oyedepo did not sack him from church ..he only sacked him from collecting salary and since we are all doing this for God and not money, the pastor shouldn't be complaining

MT:
I don't know the pastor. I am only pointing out the deceit in church and how you guys have upended the word of God.

A soul that gives his life to Christ has no meaning to you again because it's all about the money. You will rather have a church filled with unbelievers. I repeat, there is so much celebrations among Angels in heaven over just ONE soul that gives his life to Christ.

We all know this but are you saying the pastor should be getting updates from angels in heaven? What is the essence of a soul saved that was not watered. salvation is not a days job. if you win a soul, the soul will be lost if it is not nurtured. That is why they are pastors not evangelist. A pastor means a shepherd that daily feeds the sheep. So where is the sheep? They are in heaven according to you so is it not better to allow the angels to keep feeding the sheep while the pastor is sacked. so if you employ fulani herdsmen without cows, you won't sack them because the cows are in sabo ? A pastor without a sheep has lost his job already...oyedepo only confirmed it by sacking him. We are too holy in this country. A pastor can't be sacked for having no congregation to pastor...so why is he a pastor? Abeg

MT:
Men don't win soul, it is God that does that. Your own is to preach and leave.

When is church growth measured by crowd. Even angels rejoice in heaven over just ONE soul that gives his life to christ on earth.

Church growth is measured by empty seat. Since the pastor is so passionate about God, why is he collecting salary from the church with empty seats? He shouldnt be collecting salary now. He doesn't even need oyedepo. Now that they sacked him....since empty churches means church growth, he should just continue to pastor those empty seats without oyedepo now. Oyedepo sacked you..God that you are working for didn't sack you,. why not continue. You didn't even think for once that the pastor is crying foul because he lost the salary ....is he doing it for God or for salary?

Innoxxacs:
what happens when people have refused to read and understand their bibles

I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase
-1cor 3:6
God Is responsible for growth and “he makes it beautiful in his time” sacking a pastor because of ‘church growth’ only points to one thing...

I don’t like to drag religion but 99% are fakes

so if Apollo refused to water what was planted..should he be sacked or not? Paul planted just like oyedepo planted the churches, Paul employed Apollo to water it....end result is that God blessed them with increase but the first two must do their job.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
If you think it is normal to call someone you do not know an armed robber simply because he has a different outlook on a matter you no doubt feel strongly about, then I have nothing else to say to you.

As for the American justice system, I think you have your facts twisted. Perhaps you need to read what I said about it...slowly. If you cant prove that you did it legally you go to jail. Simple.

Most Nigerians are not normal. See what this man is writing here. Go back and read your write up that I quoted. infact, let me quote it for you......
That you support it means that you are as monstrous as you accuse them to be.
. You called me a monster first here without knowing me just because I have a different opinion and you are now angry that I called you an armed robber without knowing you. Do you think you are normal at all? You said I am as monstrous as the armed robbers because I supported the judgement melted out to them and I said for not supporting what was done to them you are as ARMED ROBBER as they are. So it can pain you?

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EMIOMOADEOYE:
That you support it means that you are as monstrous as you accuse them to be.

In America, even if someone trespasses your home, there are still scenarios where you can still be culpable for murder.

If you cannot prove that the trespasser posed an IMMEDIATE life threatening risk to you or your family AT THE TIME OF MURDER, you will bear the full weight of a murder charge.

Read that well ooo. Even if this trespasser killed someone and he was already escaping before you killed him, you are liable for murder.

Which means that going by that premise, all those supporting and executing jungle justice are all murderers and facilitators of murder. Criminals. Just like the person they judged and executed.

There is no jungle justice in the US. Stop using illegalities to justify barbaric acts.

As I have said, what the thief did or did not do is besides the point. The fact is that he is a human being like you. Plus you did not see him commit the crime. You only hear people say this is what he did.

What if it is mistaken identity. You cant tell me that all the cases of jungle justice that has happened so far in this country have all being actual thieves.

There have been many cases of mistaken identity or extreme justice. What do you have to say about jungle justice meted out on an 11 year old simply because he shoplifted food in the market. You will come an justify that by saying that is how they start abi.

What about women who have been lynched on the ridiculous notion that they were witches. How in God's name are you able to prove accurately that someone is a witch?

Please let us stop justifying nonsense with nonsense arguments.

lies. Just fire three warning shots in America and the person is gone ( The three warning shots are only useful if you are not in immediate danger. If you are in immediate danger like someone charging at you, you can draw your gun and kill without any warning shots. Now imagine someone tries to rob you on the highway in America, you don't need any warning shots, just empty the bullets into them and you a hero so what nonsense are you saying?)

The fact that you have so much sympathies for people that kill people without mercy just to dispossess them of their properties shows you are likely a thief...infact, an armed robber. You talk of many cases of mistaken identities....yes. It also happens regularly in court. people have been sentenced to deaths only for the court to reverse the judgement decades later...after the person is dead. You think the people lynching them are fools? When was the last time you heard of jungle justice in Lagos if not because people have had it to the brim. The fact that you obviously try to twist the American jungle justice system has rubbished your entire argument. You can say even America that practices such with guns, they have their own limitations and faults....like every other thing that involves humans, there will be risk of error. Innocent people can rarely be killed in a situation like this.....but innocent people can also be saved from death by eradicating people like these too. If these guys were not killed, they might have killed another victim since then and guess what....it could be your sister so be grateful

NB- if you can show me just one case where anyone was publicly lynched and burnt by the mob for being a witch in Nigeria in the last twenty years on the internet then I will take you seriously. Just a single case where someone was publicly burnt for being a witch. You are only trying to be smart by half. show me just one in Nigeria where it IS PUBLIC THAT BURNT THE PERSON FOR BEING A WITCH.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
And you think I haven't in my 35 year sojourn?

You think I don't carry a scar around that reminds me of them everytime I look at it?

Just tell me that you can take a knife and take a life on the grounds that you are claiming.

Tell me that you will take a stick and smash out the skull of another human, pour petrol and set him ablaze with your own hands simply because another thief like him (not him in particular oooo) attacked you.

Heck...most people do not even know what if feels like to be attacked and yet they support this.

You know nothing. I can never kill another human being wether na thief or not but I fully support what they did to these monsters. I've said it over and over...America that claims to defend human right fully support jungle justice. They only legalised guns to make it look decent but it is the same thing. Someone trespass your home, you gun them down and walk free. Anyone attacks you like these dead fools attacked the motorists, you gun them down and become heroes.

kuntash:
But who can now prove their crimes ?

These kind of judgement kinda makes us worse than animals , it's better they receive serious beating and handed over to the security ... At least ...

I don't support crime in anyway , but there is nothing as comforting as hearing when human being is given an opportunity to turn a new leaf ...

They are still humans ...... At least !

In America, if you feel your life is threatened, you bring out your gun and kill. Infact, the only thing you need in a non life threatening situation is to fire warning shots before killing. In that case, it is developed and civilised world. You don't care about wether they are still humans. If a burglar breaks into your home in America, you shoot him dead and you become a hero. Since they are using guns to kill, you don't care. It is not barbaric so it is not jungle justice. At that time you don't care about your human right.. you don't come out to say no to jungle justice but when the are burnt here...it is very barbaric. it is stone age. Don't worry, we will start using guns to kill them so you will know it is not barbaric.

VTJN:
The earlier you come to terms with the fact that jungle justice isn't the way out, the better

We aren't in the stone age era, this is 21st century

They deserves nothing but fair hearing, historically even the most notorious criminals in Nigeria are being given fair hearing

Stop putting your emotion nto play man!

So they don't do jungle justice in America abi? You people like to deceive yourself. America is the home of jungle justice. If anyone breaks into your home and you shoot them dead, you will walk free. Why can't you allow him to steal and then charge him to court? You think this one is jungle justice because they burnt them but it is not jungle justice when you use gun to kill them in America? Abeg grow out of your inferiority complex. If you legalise gun in Nigeria, this will stop too. We can just kill them in a civilised way so you will be happy it is no longer jungle justice

Superboss:
Lol! how you young chaps make assumption here is quite funny to me.
O boy! I am married. Married to the one I love.
I how difficult it can be for for husband and wife to live in different locations.
Can't they be seeing each atleast once in a month?
They had the means to even be meeting every fortnight.
The dead has been done, the man is no more. It is for the living to learn from this.

There is nothing to learn here. Even wives do kill their husbands and that you are married now does not mean it will continue to be like that. From reliable information, the man and his wife are not even in good terms. Stop judging from afar...moreso, that you have not cheated does not mean you won't eventually cheat. Let your wife stay in Abuja first then you can adopt your suggestion of monthly nocturnal visit. It may not last long though before either you or even the so called love of your life will succumb. The fact that you are even imagining what it feels like to marry a career woman means you are not married to one yet...at least a very successful one for now so you you are not in this man"s shoe and you won't know how it pinches. By the way, I am equally married for over 12years in a very lovely relationship but I don't deny reality

Superboss:
I can't imagine a man having such a pretty wife and still cheated.
This life get as e bi.

You will know when you marry one. A pretty wife in Abuja while you spend all your life alone in Lagos. We don't face reality. Na maid you go Bleep self.

gift4nature:
talks like this piss me the hell off. Is it now women that doesn't have the urge. Let's give ourselves brain abeg.

And who says women no dey Bleep about. Who told you the wife was not fucking all those ministers she was working with in Abuja or even a younger guy. That the husband was caught does not make the woman a saint. Abeg leave this innocent man. Blame the evil girl that killed him. He may even be planning to have a second wife since the wife is not available and it is not a sin in our culture. Stop blaming him for doing something most people...both men and women are doing

Romanoff:
I was waiting for this.

You people don't want a liability for a wife, if a woman now has a job or doing well in business, you people will complain she's too busy with her career and business for you people. Una no wan be sole provider so that your wives won't ask you for money, yet y'all don't want career women or wives that will be richer than you.
Wetin una dey find gan gan?

Was the man a jobless man? Wasn't he also a career person? You think as a CEO and billionaire, he sits at home to wait for his wife?

A man's true character is tested when he has money. And the devil used his money and love for women to send him to an early disgraceful end.




Speak for yourself and the men you know.

I know prosperous men who have never stepped out on their wives.



So who come gain now, the man tired of sleeping with his beautiful wife or the wife who is still alive and still doing well in life?

I hope she remarries a younger guy.

you don't need to hope . She was probably dating all those ministers before. That the husband was caught does not make the woman a saint. She was probably fucking all over Abuja too. By the way, the man may probably not see this career woman for two months....most men will cheat anyway so nobody should blame him for cheating. Blame the evil woman that killed him. Bottom line is that it is someone like the wife....another woman that killed him.

SavageResponse:
Why will it not crash? Something that is pure junk!

A coin that had about 1 quadrillion units in circulation!

They just used it to scam people!

If you invest all the money in Nigeria in Shiba Inu it's price will never hit $1!

why do you need it to reach one dollar? People became multimillionaire with shiba in dollars....many people made a lot of millions. Most of these coins have 8 zeros....just cancel 4 zeros and you are a millionaire in dollars with 1k investment. Ask people to teach you rather than spreading your ignorance. People made millions with shiba. Watch out for hokk and kishu too. They will soon cancel several zeros before year end. If you like, go and put 500 dollars there and thank me after one year. I just gave you this info for free

GeneralPula:
Shiba inu coin?

What coin is that?

You need to understand this bro - bitcoin is the only certified crypto, with maybe Etherium. Which one be shiba inu bai lol..

Never put your money on any coin that’s not btc or eth..

so you need to know...shiba inu coin made people *10,000 of their money before it fell within a year and even since it fell, if you had put money early, you will still be above X5000 by now. Look, you people are looking for fast money making venture. Crypto is risky but all these coin you think are useless are making people multimillionaire with only 1k dollars investment. Research these things and stop following bandwagon. If you had invested 1k dollars in shiba coin a year ago, at the time it was ATH, you would be worth close to 10 million dollars. The guy that is discouraging you probably heard about it when it was so high and quickly put money. By that time, people were ready to take profit and if fell. Who do you blame? You don't buy only when you hear the good news ...by that time it is too late

Kokaine:
yeah thanks what about dogecoin. I put #165k about two months now and what I'm seeing is #48k.

you lose nothing until you sell. You put money when it was at the ATH. People that have put money for over a year whose money is now *100 will obviously want to take profit so they will sell. Stop making people rich. You are obviously buying when you hear good news then you are bound to lose because before you hear the good news, it means the coin is doing well . Dogecoin was *1000 this year alone. If you are the one that made that kind of money, won't you take your profit? So buy low( usually when everyone is afraid just like now) then sell high. Most people will buy high and when the coin is dropping they will sell low and then claim it is a scam. So, if you are wise, hold your coin....doge will still hit 2 dollars

djsjxjfjdisjdjb:
which year are you in please? Is the bear market not hitting you at all? if you still call this bull market, I wonder oooo

He is correct. It is a bear correction in the bull run. You see...most people buy when everyone start saying crypto has tripled but by that time, smart investors are ready to sell. Just look at this kind of post...when you see people talking like this...that is the time to buy crypto. When we are back in the bull run, most of them will come to buy it at a very high price and when they lose, they will say na scam. Don't mind the post. Infact, this kind of post is a pointer that it is time to buy

Idabakanta:
Quote me any where.. she has won this battle.. especially with early diagnosis.. abeg, what is any woman above 50 doing with ovaries and uterus? And what is a 50 year old man doing with a Prostate gland? We need to educate our people..

which battle? Which early diagnosis? Ovarian cancer is aggressive. She may be lucky but no one ..not even her doctors can be so sure with ovarian cancer

HitRun:
Plenty people de survive am.

plenty people no dey survive ovarian cancer o. It is one of the most aggressive gynaecological cancers. Na God go help am

helinues:
Please stop quoting me.. That's not too hard ask.. There are thousands of other NL'S to engage with.

Thank you

then you stop talking trash on a public forum. You can't be displaying madness for others and insist we should allow you to enter market when we have a psychiatric home. It is too hard to ask that we must leave your biased comments for others to see without anyone pointing out your bigotry

CSTRR:
No.

Yomi fabiyi is not a true friend. He is a shameless paedophile supporter and probably a paedophile himself that has not been caught.

If I had a Friend that was accused of paedophilic rape, especially with that kind of video evidence, i would cut all ties with him and publicly denounce him.

That child could be anybody's.

please rest. He is not a true friend but you that will cut all ties is the true friend. Which video evidence did you see? You saw the age of the girl in the video that made you to know he is paedophile or you heard what they were discussing. Abeg