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[quote author=**osisi link=topic=239065.msg3519851#msg3519851 date=1235672826]and I never called saro wiwa an Ijaw man
I made reference to an Ijaw man who betrayed Igbos and was murdered by Nigerian troops  (Adaka BORO) and you called saro wiwa.
I lived in PH
I know Ijaw names and I know sarowiwa is Ogoni[/quote]Sorry, maybe not you, but your Igbo brothers keep making the mistake all the time.

You referred to a man who came begging on his knees before Ohanaeze (Saro-Wiwa) to which Naija-King replied:

"That's what beats me. Some people want to talk about unity without fully addressing, understanding(not really apologizing), and reviewing the past errors in our relationship with the Ijaw people."

This is not the first time that Igbo NLers' keep calling Saro-Wiwa an Ijaw man.

@ Osisi & NaijaKing

When will Igbo people learn that Saro-Wiwa is not an Ijaw man, but an Ogoni man.

Who in their right mind would call Opobo an Igbo land?

It is this kind of dismissive attitude that creates conflict between Igbo's and their surrounding neighbours.




@ NaijaKing,

I cannot answer your questions from when I was not born. Who are these Ijaw men that betrayed the Igbo's? Who do they speak for? How many followers did Adaka-Boro have? If you stop being regressive, you would have noticed that Asari-Dokubo is working closely with MASSOB because anyone in Souther Nigeria should know that our destinies are interlinked, both Ijaws, Igbo's, Efiks etc.

RichyBlacK:
Jaja's house, the Anna Pepple House, like most houses in the Delta at the period, had slaves within their labor force. The trade he established with the British could not have been kept running without slave labor. An excerpt on the description of a typical house:

The Delta society was organized in Canoe Houses. A Canoe House was the pivot of social organization and also, notes K.O. Dike, "a cooperative trading unit and a local government institution." It was usually composed of a wealthy merchant (its founder), his family, and numerous slaves owned by him. A prosperous house could comprise several thousand members, both free and bonded, owning hundreds of trade canoes. In this intensely competitive society, leadership by merit - not by birth or ascriptions - was necessary if a house was to make headway in the turbulent, cut-throat competition that existed between houses. Any person with the charisma and proven ability, even if of servile birth, could rise to the leadership of a house, but could never become king. Ja Ja would achieve this, and much more.

Source: Jaja of Opobo
With references at the end of the article on "Further Reading".

I agree the context it was used created a possibility for misinterpretation, but I hope this clarifies things.

This post implies that Ijaws kept slaves in bondage. I disagree. If there was such a slavery-system, we would have a 'slave' class of people today (and I would be one of them), but we don't - Ijaw land is a classless society.

The writer of this blog does not know what he is talking about. Jaja may have captured some tribes in war (as was natural in Naija Delta those days), but conjuring up these images of bonded slavery is wholly inappropriate. Yes, slaves belonged to their masters, but were never treated as anything but members of the house.

The writer is also not talking about Ijaw culture when he says people of servile birth can never be King. Maybe it applies in Ibani land, but definitely not Okrika. My grandmothers brother was the last Amanyanabo of Okrika and his father was of servile birth. Yet, the Kingmaker chose him as Amanyanabo because he was proficient and because he was a Tuboniju (a group of villages from which Kings are chosen).

lol.

Do you know how many brothers I have in MEND? 

What is N100,000? Abeg talk better thing!

BecomeRich, under no circumstances are we joining your Benin Republic if that is the purpose of this thread.

@ RichyBlack,

Jaja was never a slave-trader, but a palm oil trader.

Arochukwu people used to capture Igbo's and bring them to rendezvous points where Ijaws picked them up and delivered them up the coast to the whiteman. In this respect, Arochukwu were the real slave traders of Southern Nigeria, Ijaws just took their cut off the top. 

As I have said before, the reason 90% of Ijaws in Rivers State aged 60 and over speak Igbo is trade. Not slavery and not because we are Igbos.

Igbo has always been the dominant language of trade in Southern Nigeria. When English superceded Igbo as the dominant language of trade, the Ijaws started dropping Igbo and English became the 2nd language of choice. Now, English is the mother-tongue of most Ijaws, and Ijaw language has been relegated to 2nd spot. My grandmother's generation speak more Igbo than Ijaw, however, they cannot be classed as Igbo's. Also, back in the day, there was no tribalism and there was more intermarriage. There was a lot of mixing with Igbo's. I would estimate that at least 30% of Ijaws in current Rivers State have at least one Igbo ancestor, if not more.

We must understand something - Igbo is not a tribe. It is a language and a sominant culture. There is no blood relation between many Igbo's. There are Oru-Igbo's, Eka-Igbo's, Ikwerre-Igbo's, Rebisi-Igbo's, Ndoni-Igbo's, Etche-Igbo's, Anioma-Igbos etc. None of these people are related by blood. They are related by language - a language that was the dominant language of trade.

Bonny contolled the two main waterways that lead to the sea, namely the Okrika River and the Imo River. Jaja of Opobo later seized control of the Imo River. Opobo people traded up and down the Imo River, and every Opobo man learnt to speak Igbo. They may have abviously intermarried with the Igbo. Infact, some Opobo people made their homes on the banks of the Imo River in Aba and are there till this day. However, they are nothing but indigenous Ijaws as Ibani culture and language is still dominant there.

When Ijaw girl talks about "Igbo slaves", infact, there is no such thing as a 'slave' in Ijaw culture. This is a modern-day corruption. I am 3 generations removed from an Igbo 'slave' who lived as a son in the house of an Okrika man. In Ijaw land, status is solely based on proficiency, not on bloodline. Our monarchy is not hereditary, neither is our class-structure. Jaja of Opobo was never a slave, but a son of Ana Pepple. He proved himself more proficient than indigenous Ibani's in his house and he was made leader of his house. Thats the way it is. There is no slavery within Southern Nigeria, except the slavery that the whiteman brought. Would you call Ikemefuna a 'slave' of Okonkwo or would you call him a son?

The Igbo migrants to Niger Delta far outnumber the 'slaves'. Would Igbo people be travelling to Ijawland if their brothers are being held in bondage. Thats like Nigerians going on holiday to America in the 1700's where they would most likely be captured and made slaves. It would never happen.

Igbo was the language of trade, hence most Ijaws learnt to speak it, plus there were many migrations.

Opobo speak Ibani, a dialect of Ijaw.

Ibani just means Bonny (anglicised). There is no difference between Opobo's and Bonny people. Jaja just moved Ana Pepple house from Bonny Island to Opobo and made a new tribe. This was only 140 years ago so there is no divergence between Opobo people and Bonny people in language or culture.

Abagworo:
i would also like to add that quite unlike ijaws we still bear oru till this day.we are actually the only oru remaining and we speak igbo,we say 'oru n'igbo bu nwanne' which means we and igbos are brothers and not ijaw or yoruba.the only difference is that we have riverine terrain quite unlike the rest of igbos.so ijaws believe they are oru offshoot.that might be true but there is no such story here.

Which part of Igbo are you from?

You may be original Oru, but you may have adopted Igbo customs and language like many Oru's have.

Igbos are also made up of Oru's mixed with Bantus and Ugbos

However, we remain the most undiluted Oru's in Nigeria today. Some parts of Eastern Ijaw have no dilution in them at all. Our language remains the original Oru language, which is peppered with 'iri' in many of the words we speak.

Becomerich, don't mind these people. They don't know their history.


Ijaw people do have association with Yorubas, but not necessarily the present-day Yorubas. In relation to todays Yorubas' the  connection is but a drop in bucket-sized gene pool.  That is why we do not speak Yoruba words like the Itsekiri (who are half-Ijaw, half-Yoruba), but the original Oru language. In particular, Prince Ujo (Oduduwas son) is regarded as the first significant leader of the Western Ijaw. He was sent by Oduduwa to settle land along the Niger-Delta and did so from Benin to Warri where he and his people merged with Oru (Ijaw) people. Thats why to this day dau-Wari means 'my fathers house' in Ijaw language. However, genetically, Ujo and his followers blood have been diluted into a much wider gene pool of the Oru's, and our language and customs remain that of the original Oru people (especially Eastern Ijaw) who migrated to Naija from Sudan, through Lake Chad. However, we may still be closer to Oduduwa than present-day Yorubas because Yoruba Kingdom as we know it today has swallowed a lot of tribes with no relation to the original Oduduwa.

The first British explorers identified us as Oru's and our language is littered with Oru terminology - Pioru (Masquerade), Oru (Nembe God) etc.

None of what I quote here can be classified as 'fact', but they are generally accepted by historians:


http://www.earthrights.net/nigeria/history.html


Prince Ujo’s instructions were to go to the Niger Delta, and establish a strategic base from which to defend the coastal region. Clearly his father King Adumu (Oduduwa), regarded the whole southern region as a virgin territory which he would bring under his direct control. Prince Ujo proceeded to the central Niger Delta with his followers and came across isolated communities of ORU in remote settlements. Together with these people they formed viable communities in the central delta originally based on the City-state formation. This was birth of the Ijo people.


Some argue that Ijaws are more closely related to the original founders of Ile-Ife than present-day Yoruba's:

An examination and comparison of the names ADUMU (Oduduwas real name), OGU (OGUN) & OGBOGBODIRI the first 3 kings of dynastic Ife, IGODO, ERE & KALADIRAN the first 2 and last Ogisos of Benin with the Ijo language, reveals that these names are still being borne by Ijo individuals up till today, but the present day Yoruba and Edo do not bear these names. What does this suggest? It suggests that the dynastic founders of Ife and Benin were ethnically related to the present day Ijo people as emphasised by ancestral tradition



http://www.shvoong.com/humanities/h_history/1728509-ijaw-history/

"The early British explorers applied the curious name "ORU" to the Ijo west of Brass from the Nun entrance to Taylor creek, Dr Baikie said of them in 1854. ''From the mouth of the river (NUN) up to this point (TAYLOR CREEK), the country on either side is named ORU. The people are of the same tribe as who inhabit the tract of country up to the Rio Formoso where however they are called EJO or OJO by which name they are known at Abo, at Brass and even Bonny, by English palm oil traders.  

, "The Oru occupy the tract of country on each side of the Nun branch of the Niger and along the coastline between it and the Ramos river. Then in the triangle formed by the Nun and the Gana-Gana, also outside it, to a small extent, both eastward and westward, dwell the Ijo the most important tribe in the lower Delta, and indeed after the Ibo in the whole of Southern Nigeria, "<1> “, About three hours from Sunday Island, we came to inhabited villages; we induced two canoes to come off, from who we learnt that the people between Brass and Aboh are called Oru…”<2> “….July 2:…Some of the neighbouring chiefs of Oru came off, with whom we had conversation about legal trade…”<3> “…November 3: weighed early this morning, and anchored of Agberi, the first Oru village below the Aboh district…”<4> “…The Oru or Ijo or Udso of Koelle are identical with Brass, at the mouth of the Nun on the coast, otherwise called Hebu or Nempe by their Ibo neighbours. This language is spoken to the extent of 100 miles from the mouth of the Nun, to the boundary of Abo territory: how far inland towards Benin, on the right and towards the Ibo country on the left is yet unknown…”<5> The original collective names for the ancestors of the Ijos were “Kumoni” and “Oru”, survivals of the ancient terms of “Khem-Anu” or “Khem-Onu”, and “Horu” of the ancient Nile valley civilisations of Khem or Kemetu (ancient Egypt) and Kush (ancient Sudan).

The Kumoni-oru derived from ancient Egypt via Ife, while the Oru derived from ancient Sudan. Now the earliest ancestors of the Ijos, the “Orus” or “Tobu-Otu”, migrated from the lake Chad aquatic civilisation of Daima region (c 5000-2000 BCE). Their settlement in the delta was from the earliest of times. Unfortunately not much is known about this period, only that traditionally it is said that these early ancestors “dropped from the sky” (i.e. to say the Orus were of divine origin), and were devotees of spiritual culture that made much use of the waters (hence the mermaid and water people legends “Beni-Otu”) They were later to be joined by other ancestors “Kumoni-Orus” from about 400 CE, and 650 CE (AD), who, after settling first in the Nupe and Borgu regions, then the Ile-Ife region, moved to the Benin region via Nupe, and Ife. In the Benin region they eventually settled and launched expeditions into the Niger Delta, where they came acrosremote settlements of the Orus, whom they termed “ancient people”. But because they were also ultimately Oru, from the beginning they established communities as one people. "  

Nice one guys, keep it coming.

How many people has Negro thrown under the bus in this debate?  

Despite being flattened by steamroller, he is still talking about throwing people under the bus.  

I would definitely believe that Bayelsa is an ELDS, because they lack infrastructure and accessible schools. However Bayelsa's test scores would be comparable with any as we have seen, because Bayelsans in PH would elevate their average scores. However Bayelsa itself needs a lot of investment in education, better schools, more teachers, better security and lower barriers to entry. Bayelsa has never been anything more than a collection of villages, with no proper urban centres.

As for Cross River, I am not sure about that. Calabar people used to go to school well well back in those days, but they have been largely marginalised and neglected by FG.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=237534.msg3514664#msg3514664 date=1235578717]Why outsource JAMB database to London?[/quote]cos NEPA too dey take light!

Seriously, forget this web domain argument. You made an unbeleivable error which does not need any further argument.

Secondly, your demands for data analysis which doesn't apply to the data is unforgivable! As Debo rightly pointed out, nobody is going to give you raw data and tell you student's A's name, birthplace, preferred language and individual score etc.

The impracticality of asking me for that kind of analysis is not only astounding but a pig-headed attempt at creating an unnecessary argument. A data analyst should immediately be able to tell what kind of analysis can be applied to the data s/he is presented with. I can only put this unnecessary argument of yours down to one of two things (a.) a lack of practical data analysis experience or (b.) an attempt to make me look incompetent in the eyes of others who would not know what we are discussing. I noticed that rat Kobojunkie nodding in agreement to your argument like the proverbial blind extolling the virtues of the one-eyed man.

However, there is a deeper question to do with burden of proof. I only raise this because you claim to be a lawyer. I know nothing about law.

When you claim that something is fraudulent, who does the burden of proof lie with in a law court?

Debo pointed out that the burden of proof lies with you to provide a disclaimer from the JAMB website stating that the .php website is false. Either that, or you provide your own data, which contradicts the JAMB data.

This would be the simple thought process of any lawyer.

I have argued with 4Play many times and I have NEVER won a single argument. That is because he knows exactly how arguments and proofs should be presented as a lawyer. Its a shame I cannot say the same about you.

tkb417:
the schools that command the highest cut off points in 9ja are the SW unis and the states with the highest cut off points are usually Ogun, Ondo and Ekiti.
so where did u get ur IMO thingy from?

Fake Ghana man! this has nothing to do with the proficiency of SW students, but more to do with the DEMAND for school places in UniBen, UniLag, OAU etc. As long as these Universities are better funded, South Eastern students will flock there, increasing competition for places and increasing the barriers for entry.

Sharon doesn't even know that a few years ago, Lagos was an ELDS, not because it was not performing, but because even the ELDS list had to represent "federal character". Besides, you wouldn't find any SE state in that list, not because they may be performing, but because God Forbid that Federal Government try to help Igbo's in any way. Rivers, Cross Rivers and Bayelsa used to be on the list with Lagos, I don't know if they still are. I wouldn't even pay attention to such classifications, when they are based on political machinations, unscientific perceptions and from incorrect census figures.

With the proliferation of arms everywhere in Naija, it was only a matter of time before we descended into this kind of chaos.

Can you imagine right to bear arms in Naija? Minor traffic accidents and road rage would turn to homicide. Children would start shooting their parents for flogging them. Biafra would not need to raise funds to declare secession, everyone would just fall out into the street with their pre-owned firearms and start a war. If only to keep arms out of Biafra, this bill will never pass Congress.

It may be that BecomeRich is an unheralded genius disguised as an "eccentric".    A prophet is never honoured in his own country.

naijaking1:
However, for the Ijaw people led by Boro, Diette-Spiff, and Saro-Wiwa to join forces with Hausa/Fulani, and Yoruba people to destroy the house of their own eastern Nigeria was just unbelievable.

naijaking1:
We have all seen how personal egos of Ojukwu, Adaka Boro, Ifeajuna, Nzeogwu, and others affected their policies. Another tragedy is that these personal attributes have often times been used to describe the wish of their own people. Igbo people never elected Ojukwu as governor, Igbo people never sent Nzeogwu to plan a coup, or kill anybody, yet today; the actions of these men have been used to describe a whole tribe!

These two statements are contradictory.

First of all, just like the Igbo, the Ijaw suffer from the problem of fragmentation. There is no centralised government, hence the actions of Boro, Clarke etc do not define the wishes of the Ijaw people.

Like I have said before, the Igbo's refusal to draw up a concrete plan as to the derivation of oil wealth in the Niger Delta led to resistance, not only from Ijaws, but Ikwerre's and Ogoni's as well. This is the diplomatic angle that was lacking in the Biafran movement. Before anyone joins you in war, you have to tell them whats in it for them.

Instead of mentioning Clarke, Adaka Boro etc, why not mention the Ijaw commanders who fought for Biafra? Was it not an Ijaw man, Frank Opugo who coined the term "Biafra"?

My father had a group of friends. Three went off to fight for Biafra, others for Naija. The Biafrans never came home.

In the latter stages of the war, Biafran soldiers were holed up in Ijaw towns whilst Nigerian Soldiers sieged the towns. The leaders of the towns, such as the late Amanyanabo of Okrika sent a letter to the Biafran soldiers and told them to leave in order to minimise civilian casualties in a war which was already lost, not because they were in opposition to Biafra, but because they didn't want their innocent civilians slaughtered on the dying embers of Biafran resistance.

Factor in all these, and we have this myth propagated that Naija-Deltans were against the creation of Biafra. This is a myth! Growing up in PH, I never met a Naija Deltan who was not in favour of secession. The question is what did the Igbo's offer to incentivise the Ijaws but a continuation of the same Land and Petroleum policies of the Nigerian Government? The Biafran dream was to be funded by Niger Delta oil (and the Igbos made no concessions in that regard), just like the Nigerian nightmare is propagated on the back of Niger Delta oil.

debosky:
What does impact will this have on Lagos, the South West and Nigeria as a whole?

This is a great development! I hope they find oil under mainland Lagos itself so they can bulldoze that slum and clear out the disease infested population back to their states of origin.

I also hope this development will make Lagosians see cause to fight for indigenous rights to land and minerals which have been denied to their brothers in the SS and SE. We can form the Movement for the Emancipation of Southern Nigeria! 

I also hope this thread will not provide a justifiable reason for Nigeria1/BecomeRich to pepper us with aerial photos. 

Ijaws and Igbos are cousins, going back centuries. Many clans within present day Igboland migrated from Ijawland and vice-versa. Mbiri and parts of Okrika are just some examples of this.

This is not a diss to anyone and I hope no one will take it as such.

Igbos were not diplomatic in their dealing with us, thats why we pulled out.

No blame is to be attached to the Igbos for this. They themselves were a newly founded empire, lacking the structures of an established empire with all its diplomatic machinations. Prior to the 1900's, they all had seperate villages and clans with no central structure of command. The Hausa's on the other have been running an empire for centuries and understand how to relate to other groups diplomatically (even when they are lying). A bit more diplomacy on the part of the Igbo and Ijaw would have fought tooth and nail for them, because every Ijaw man would rather live with his cousins than foreigners. However, the series of meetings held between Ijaw leaders and the Igbo only served to ignite the ire of the Ijaw leaders, because the Igbo's were lacking in diplomacy.

You have to remember the history of our part of the world. Up until the 1900's, the Ijaws and Igbos were equal trade partners. They produced Palm Oil, we travel up the river to get it, and we deliver it to the British. They were not allowed to use the river to deliver their own produce, and we generally did not enter into their land to farm for it. To turn around 60 years later and tell us that we will live as a minority under them was disrespectful to us. Hence the fallout.

Now, regardless of this, saying Ijaws fought against Igbos is a fallacy of the highest order. Ijaw land was split. Some fought for Biafra and never came home. Some fought for Naija and mostly came home. It is not like Ijaws fought en masse for Nigeria.

The Ibibios on the other hand are generally looked down upon by their Efik brothers. Fighting with the Igbo's gave them a chance to change that status-quo. This is why Ibibio's are today counted as the only true allies of the Igbo during the Biafran war.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=237534.msg3513378#msg3513378 date=1235562348]The stats only prove students in the Naija-Delta are exam cheats, crooks, rogues and will shoot JAMB officials to carry out their malpractices if provoked. [/quote]You nor well. 

Society is Naija Delta is not yet degraded to the point that 16 year-olds are engaged in militant activities, although I do remember buying my Junior WAEC papers and passing with flying colours. 

If your assertions held any water, then Bayelsa would be outperforming Rivers State and Delta State would be equally impressive. Most would argue that the reason Bayelsa is behind Rivers State is lack of infrastructure and poor accessibility of education, unlike Rivers State. Growing up in PH, I can tell you that education is the be-all and end-all of our society. Even outlier towns like Bonny, Okrika, Buguma, Abonemma etc and such are serious about it. It should be of serious concern when people who paddle to school are outperforming those who walk to it. 

BabaTony:
1. Are the statistics reeled out here based on the states of origin of the candidates or states where the students where registered?
2. Should the statistics be based on number of candidates or the percentage of the total population of that state or tribe?
3. Will this arguement move us in  Nigeria forwad or backward?

(1.) States of origin

(2.) We cannot trust Naija census stats, so it is futile to start looking at ratios of successful students to population stats. The only comparison we can make is percentage pass rates in each state.

(3.) Yes, because it should tell us which states need more investment in education. Infact, if more rigorous stats are provided (as Negro has been arguing for), we can use them to plan every facet of our education system, eg, the ditribution between local and urban Areas, the disparity between age groups, the disparity between people who speak English at home and those who speak their native language, the disparity between private education and public education, and other such attributes.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=237534.msg3513117#msg3513117 date=1235558605]Of course, it was astounding to know Rivers/Bayelsa students are smarter than the swots in the SW.
While we are @ it, can you produce the statistics on examination malpractices??
Should Rivers/Bayelsa top the charts then we can reasonably assume you guys are irritatingly dodgy.

Show us the examination malpractices statistics. . . . . .That is the only way i would agree Bayelsans are smart.
What is to say your wards don't write their exams in their dining room?? [/quote]My friend sharrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaap! Not only do we write the exams in our dining room, we also write them underwater whilst doing the front crawl - and still manage to whoop ass!


[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=237534.msg3513269#msg3513269 date=1235560638]Every household in Lagos has 2 or more University graduates.
This is why the unemployment rate in Lagos is staggering.[/quote]Graduates in what? Yahoozee?

Typical conspiracy theory - if you don't like what the data represents then it must be false.

If it was a conspiracy against Yorubas, then why is the domain registered to a Mr Kunle Daramola?

Your penchant for conspiracy theories is not befitting of an illiterate, let alone one who purports to call himself a lawyer. This is not a logical failure, but a human one, perhaps moulded by your distrust of organised society as we know it.

There is no need to get all sensitive about your tribe's performance either. Maybe that just goes to show your own tribalism. I think most people should know by now that I like pulling legs. Taking it personal reflects your disposition to tribalism, not mine.

If you were careful enough to look at the percentage analysis for the states who got A in Maths, you would have noticed that Yoruba states compared favourably to Igbo States. Its just the fact that Rivers State was on top that irked you.

When I did the percentage analysis for Maths in 2008, Bayelsa had the second worst fail rate, yet I did not hide my findings.

What is up with these sensitive people?

Debosky is a seeker of truth and is not concerned with tribal postulation.

Negro, your days are numbered!

You failed to discredit the simple percentages which I provided - admittedly, a limited scope of analysis - but the most efficient analysis for the type of data we were provided, expecially considering the fact that we are on a public forum -  so you resorted to the most desperate measure - claiming the website was false!

I shall continue to engage you in discourse in the future if you show contriteness, otherwise I suggest you change your moniker and re-register with a new one because your actions on this thread have wiped off the last vestige of your credibility. You are obviously a smart thinker, but most of your arguments are unnecessary and impractical.

Negro Nuts days are numbered.

I told him Superficial ITK would soon kill him.

I suspected that the php was the same php programming code that we all see when we do a google search but I decided not to argue cos I know nothing about web programming language, and I didn't want to make a fool of myself. He, on the other hand likes to stick his nose in something he knows nothing about - inevitably leading to catastrophe.

This is not the first time he has embarrassed himself in such a public manner. He did the same on a Keynesian Stimulus thread - but this time, his embarassment is final! I would provide him overwhelming evidence on another long-running argument we are having about bank bailouts, but there is no point in arguing further with such a long discredited Chimpanzee.

Negro Nuts is an embarassment to his family, his tribe and most of all, himself!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=238316.msg3509365#msg3509365 date=1235490018]Come to London this March?? U haven't heard of UK's recession??[/quote]My friend shaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!

There is no recession for yahoozees!

I have been telling you to join me since! When I say I am going to Gambia in April, I am not joking!

Debo, come in May. We will ball till we fall!

Afaukwu:
This guy is an eeeeeeeddiot and an unbelievable loser. Now go to this site that you provided http://www.jamb.org.ng/    While there, click on the JAMB logo and it takes you to http://www.jambng.com/ from where you have to navigate (that is if you know what cyber navigating means) to find this http://www.jambng.com/per_ume.php,  and other sub-links bearing whatever information you need. Just accept it, your days are over.

lol. . . . the guy is finished!

Just checked. . . . yes, those are official statistics. . . .

He couldn't make any headway on his ridiculous argument for trying to apply moving ranges to the one-year data I was looking at; or applying percentiles to block-data; or applying attribute controls to data for which we were supplied no attributes - so he resorted to conspiracy theories about Igbo's making up those stats.

Don't worry, he is known for his conspiracy theories. He likes theorising about everything but when it comes to actually doing something, he knows nothing. His case is not knew. He is a LOSER!

Next, he will be alleging a conspiracy between JAMB and the Igbo's to backlink to the Philllipino website.

That still doesn't change the fact that more Rivers State students achieved an A in 2008 than Ondo, Ogun, Oyo, Lagos and Ekiti put together! 

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=237534.msg3509452#msg3509452 date=1235490846]All along on this forum I consistently mentioned the moving study, so there is no way anyone could have mistakenly thought or wrongly assumed that I was focusing on a one year report, unless of course they are fraudulent.[/quote]My friend sharrap dia! You came into the thread KNOWING I was looking at static data for 2008. Soon as you started mentioning attribute controls, I told you my data was only from the website Akwuama provided for 2008 and looking only at state vs state performance for 2008. The conversation should have ended there, but in your stupidity, you carried on labouring a point about moving ranges and whatnot which you KNOW does not apply to one-year data. Either you KNEW, or you were looking for an unnecessary fight.

As to whether the website is correct or not, what is my business? Am I internet police? I would assume no one has time to start collecting false data for propaganda purposes. You must have a lot of time on your hands to be investigating such nonsense.

Is the data from the Phillipines website false or was it just hosted there because the official JAMB website is ridiculously slow and virtually non-functional.

Now that you have shown your penchant for pedantry, please provide the real data (assuming you are correct and Akwuama's data is false) and I will conduct a rigorous analysis, so we can put this issue to bed.

Also, please reveal the names of those behind the fraudulent website. There is no need for this issue to be clouded in secrecy.

Jaja na Igbo man. He moved to Bonny when he was 12. But his real name is Jubo Jubogha.

Ernest Ikoli is a staunch Nembe man from Brass.

Do not be surprised to find Igbo names in Ijaw land, but most especially in Okrika, and maybe Andoni.

For example, I am from Uwakwe House.

We have Ndubuisi House, etc in Amadi village, which itself is an Igbo name, plus Abam, Oba, Okujagu (the lion that broke his leg) etc.

BlueDiva, de guy resemble Baptista in the 2nd piksho no be small.

Ofoka, I still dey wait the beat o.