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@Tudor

It's entirely possible!

Thank you very much  

And you have evidence to show this so-called 'slowing' is magically caused by god?

No. I admit I cannot prove the existence of God the way, for example, you can prove that the angles in a triangle sum up to 180.

You've concurred with me that SOMETHING must have caused the big bang. I'm happy with that! And that SOMETHING appears to be a CREATIVE FORCE? You'll agree with me Tudor, that whatever it IS that moves the universe, is creative? For some strange reason, it has chosen order rather than disorder.

Things are infinitely more likely to end up in disorder than they are in order. And time, contrary to what evolutionists claim, will only lead to more disorder in a system.

Its possible during the expansion of the universe and subsequent formation, destruction and reformation of the galaxies, planets etc, life sprung up as a consequence and after millions of years of evolution for survival and voila! Man is here.

Millions of years, billions of years . . . whatever, will only make the possibility of a complex creature like a man more remote. The longer it gets, the worse the prospect! UNLESS, the "interractions and bombardments of the molecules" were in some way externally guided. In creative fashion.

Now, what I want us to be agreed upon, is that that SOMETHING is creative and in a way possesses Intelligence. Is this okay?

There's absolutely nothing ridiculous here. In science, the natural tendency of things is not harmony but disorder! You mentioned expansion of the universe. . . do you know that before this expansion, what we had was disorder (big bang)? Science tells us that an "Isolated System" (in this case a universe without a creator) will always tend towards disorder. This is known as entropy. The expansion you mentioned is actually slowing down, without any external force, this expansion will be at such a rate as to make life impossible.

Now let me ask you some questions:

1. How is it possible that we have such a sophisticated thing as the human society with its cultures, language, tribal differences etcetera from a universe whose origins were chaotic?

2. What was the origin of matter? Did stuff just pop up out of no where?

3. Is the idea of a Creator entirely impossible?

In my view the idea of an external creator (whom we don't fully understand) is more plausible and more probable than the idea that a fly could emerge out of that disorder that was the big-bang.

your name gave u away.

And so you went straight for the offensive

allah . . . himself a creation of pagan arabs.

You should know better.

I'm a muslim but my post could very well easily have been written by a christian? I was very careful to use the word "Creator" rather than Allah, so I was a little bit surprised when you straightaway jumped at "Allah"?

Well actually David, if you noticed the word "Allah" didn't even appear in my post. I was only trying to prove, in my own way, the existence of a Creator. With a christian, I could discuss "Allah" however with an atheist I would not start off that way. I believe my post should resonate well with all theists?

If I may ask, why did you jump at "allah" even when my post didn't come from an overly religious perspective?

@Tudor

Empirica Evidence that shows without a doubt Allah is the creator. . . And it should be testable/verifiable

have you GOT IT?

Tudor, we believe there's a God (or Creator if you prefer) because of what we see around and within us. The harmony inherent in creation. There's certainly an intelligence behind this all. Everything seems to be there for a purpose and everything seems to be closely and remotely working together.

We certainly know we didn't create ourselves. Most of our biological "functionings" happen automatically without us knowing: Vision, Digestion, Sleep the Nervous System et al. Any student of the biological sciences will attest to the wonder of our creation. Everything, if you observe carefully, has been carefully worked out. A slight alteration in the balance existing in the solar system, will immediately terminate all life on earth!

I believe you're very familiar with these type of arguments, and you certainly know where I'm drifting.  However, a question begs to be answered: Who made all these? Creation exhibits such a high level of advancement and degree of sophistication, that we believe, it couldn't have been by chance. If no one will see a computer (or some device) and say it happened by chance, why should we attribute chance to our own selves?

You proposed to both of them!! How could you?

Well, I hope you won't end up breaking 2 hearts, because in my view, you've not yet found your wife.
Is your search for a partner in any way restricted to just the two of them? You sound as if it is 
There might just be other options you know?

@Tudor

What would you regard as a good evidence for the existence of God?

@toba

why do muslims all use d moon for evrything they do.?They face d moon to pray&also ask from d moon on when to start ramadan.  why? Do u worship d moon?

Muslims don't worship the moon, neither do they face the moon to pray  
However, Muslims base their religious observances on a Lunar Calendar.
Ramadan occurs on the 9th month of the lunar calendar.
Other people whose calendars are based on the moon are the Chinese and the Jews.

Hope that helps.

"Surely Allah loves those who turn unto him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves." (2:222)

"Verily Allah loves the Good-doers." (2:195)

"Say, 'if you really love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful'" (3:31)

"Verily those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, the Most Gracious, will bestow love for them" (19:96)

Amongst others.

One of the Names (attributes) of Allah is that He is Al-Wadud, which means The Loving.

- According to the Bible . . . Adam and Eve were created on Earth and lived on Earth in the Physical realm . . . even though they were able to communicate with the Creator . . . who manifested Himself to them.

Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden or "Paradise". I understand there's some arguments about it's exact location. The compelling evidence we have is that Adam and Eve were in the Garden physically.

- Hence from your response, am I correct to say that Islamic Paradise is going to be physical in nature . . .YES or NO

YES. The Islamic Ressurection is somewhat different as well. Muslims believe that the resurrection is a form of recreation - i.e. returning the soul back to the body, wherever and however it may be, to face either reward or punishment.


                                              He brings out the living from the dead, and the dead from the living.
                                       And He revives the earth after its death - and thus shall you be resurrected

- Where is Mohammed buried . . .

Muhammad is buried in Medina

- Is he still in the grave or is he with Allah . . .

His body is in the grave, while his soul is with his creator. Like everyone.

- What happens to his body after death . . .

God has prohibited the earth to decay the bodies of the Prophets.

- Is there anything like a spirit in Islam . . .

Yes

- Is there anything like a soul in Islam . . .

Yes

- Is Muslim paradise a phyiscal place or is it a spiritual place . . .

Was the Paradise of Adam and Eve, Spiritual or Physical?
The way it was during their time, will be the same way it will be for whomsoever is admitted into Paradise.

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Yes they should. It'll stop them from molesting people's children.

it was like my body had been taken over by the devil

That's what they always say

@viaro

Was Mark 10 17-18 trying to tell you that Jesus was bad?

No viaro, Mark was trying to tell you that Jesus is not God.

Well, what makes it impossible?

@sholababa

to much immature replies, its unbelievable

And your post was mature I guess?

I felt very bad reading your post and very angry as well. But I won't say too much.

Big mess up

But if he was excluded why did he play the match?

@toba

Can u show me where in d bible it was said that they bought d sword

Luke 22: 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough

how many jihad they fought with dat sword

The swords were bought for self-defence, against any possible attack on Jesus from the Jews. Unfortunately, the Jews brought the "Roman legion" with them, and having only two swords and being much inferior in number, it was suicidal, to say the least, for Peter and co to put up a fight. Hence the famous statement "He who lives by the sword must die by the sword", even though it was Jesus that requested they bought the swords in the first place.

@mantraa

That was a beautiful illustration you had there!  Very artistic.


About your conclusion:

Samson was a mass murderer, womaniser and suicidal terrorist. It seems that one mans Psychopathic maniac is another mans hero.

Here was what Judges 14: 19 said though:

And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house.

He seemed to have the Lord's backing? 

@toba

Here this those making frivolous posts especially the Poster. Do u think if samson werent captured and made blind he would have killed himself with the philistines?

Before the philistines plucked out his eyes, did he not kill many enemies of Israel without killing himself with them? How can u call samsons case a suiside attack. What farouk di or what happened on 9/11 is an example of suiside mission. alqaeda members take their lives consciously,willingly and joyfully, compared to samsons issue who was despirate for revenge and was in pains.

Samsons case isnt suisidal, if he were conscious and not blind he would have killed the philistines without himself

You meant sui[b]c[/b]idal I believe?

Since he could not meet the bail condition in good time.

50,000 naira? Is he new in the business?

In those days it was common practice that people trailed their garments out of pride and pomposity.

So the Prophet said: Anyone who wears his garment below the ankle, out of pride, will enter hell. Only the humble will enter heaven. It's in the same line with the hadith that says: Anyone who has the weight of a mustard seed of pride will not enter paradise

In another tradition the Prophet defined Pride as "Denouncing and Denying the Truth and despising People".

The keyword here is pride. If you see any Muslim wearing a "short trouser" it's because he wants to copy the Prophet who himself shunned trailing garments. But the caution is even if you wear "short trousers" but still have pride you will be punished by God. Pride can be exhibited in several ways (not only in the way we dress), so it's incumbent that we watch our hearts and train ourselves in humility.

I cannot remember the exact verse, but the Bible also mentioned the arrogant attitudes of the Pharisees how they loved wearing trailing garments and being followed by people.

I believe this has answered the question 

Song >>>>>>> Mikel

@Halliema

It's not by force to post

@toba

D errors of moses is clear .God said speak to a rock,he stricked it instead thats failure

What chapter of the bible is this? So is this what you classify as Moses' failure!!

And wouldn't Jesus' inability to get the support of the Jews also be deemed as failure? At least one could argue that Moses was at least able to do that.

Toba, is this not a greater failure than the one you mentioned for Moses?


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I ask again: What yardstick can we use to say a Prophet has either succeeded or failed?

Toba,
1) When can we say a Prophet has failed and when can we say a Prophet has succeeded?
2) Did all the prophets prior to Jesus fail?

In clear terms please.


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You still haven't addressed the issue of God carrying out experiments or God left with no option. Anyway.

Sola, So even if he died will you automatically believe the story?! Who is this Obadere by the way that his testimony must be believed?
This is one of silliest and most trivial stories I've ever heard. Why can't people stop all this 'hero-worship' and concentrate on their own salvation?!

I think you're giving this story WAY too much importance than its worth.