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ifeness: The one and only message is love. All the bible verses dont matter.

The bible verses matter.....

With the lies been spread that 50 % of Jesus is what died those verses are needed...

They say 50% of Jesus died,then I wonder what percentage of Jesus was ressurected.....

How can millions of people gulp in such heresy and lie for centuries, all just to prove 1 pagan dogma that has no connection with the scriptures.......

gbrookes02: Answer my question, How can Jesus have "authority to take it up again" if Jesus is not God but just a mere man? Please to answer that question.

I am not a Roman Catholic, they are false.

Jesus was given the authority....didn't u read it??

And what you should be asking is how Jesus was able to"" take it up""??

Ask and answers would be given.....

Scriptures are all over the place to help you....

gbrookes02: I and others have done that in many past posts to you all, and you all just ignore them all.

You opened nothing....

No scripture supports the false stand that 50 %(human nature alone) of Jesus died and was ressurected.......

Now this is one big heresy and lie.......

No scripture supports that crap

gbrookes02: Genesis (New International Version) 18:1-2, 13-14, 26-33;'The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Will I really have a child, now that I am old?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.” 16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.[c] 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”

20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[d] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[e] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?”

“If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”

29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”

He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”

30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”

He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”

31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”

He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”

32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”

He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”

33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

Genesis 19:24, 29 "Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived."

So one of the angels was God that's why "the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens."

OLD TESTAMENT SAYINGS
Who Is the Angel of the Lord? (Judg 6:22-23)

IF GIDEON ONLY SAW AN ANGEL, WHY DID HE FEAR THAT HE MIGHT DIE? Many interpreters believe that an angel takes God's place and acts as his representative. However, others do not feel this explanation fits all the data. Who, then, is this "angel of the LORD"?

The angel of the Lord first appears in Genesis 16:7 and then intermittently throughout the early Old Testament books. In other passages an individual manifesting himself in human form is frequently called "the LORD" (Gen 12:7; 17:1; 18:1). If this angel actually were God, why is he called an angel? Since the root meaning of angel is "messenger" or "one who is sent," we must determine from context whether the word refers to the office of the sent one or to the nature of created angels as finite beings.

Initially, some contexts of the term "angel of the LORD" appear to refer to nothing more than any other angel (as in Judg 6:11). But as the narrative progresses, that angel soon transcends the angelic category and is described in terms suited only to a member of the Trinity. Thus in the Judges 6 episode, we are startled when verse 14 has the Lord speaking to Gideon, when previously only the angel of the Lord had been talking.

Many Old Testament passages state that this angel is God. Thus, after being told that Hagar had been speaking with the angel of the Lord (four times in Gen 16:7, 9-11), Genesis 16:13 informs us that Hagar "gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: `You are the God who sees me.'" Jacob's testimony in Genesis 48:15-16 is even more striking. He identifies the God in whose presence his fathers Abraham and Isaac had lived as "the God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day, the Angel who has delivered me from all harm."

This angel spoke to Jacob earlier in a dream and identified himself by saying, "I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me" (Gen 31:11, 13).

Likewise in Exodus 3:2-6 the phrase "the angel of the LORD" is used interchangeably with "the LORD." In fact the angel claims, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob" (Ex 3:6).

The passage, however, that really clinches this remarkable identification is Exodus 23:20-23. There God promises to send his angel ahead of the children of Israel as they go through the desert. The Israelites were warned that they must obey and not rebel against this angel. The reason was a stunning one: "Since my Name is in him." God would never share his memorial name with anyone else, for Isaiah 42:8 advised that he would never share his glory with another. Thus the name of God stands for himself. And when a person is said to have the name of God in him, that person is God!

This angel has divine qualities, prerogatives and authority. He has the power to give life (Gen 16:10) and to see and know all (Gen 16:13; Ex 3:7). Only God can forgive sin, yet this angel did the same in Exodus 23:21. The angel performed miracles such as keeping a burning bush from being consumed (Ex 3:2), smiting Egypt with plagues (Ex 3:20), calling forth fire on the rock to consume the meal set for him (Judg 6:21) and ascending the flame of the altar (Judg 13:20).

Finally, this angel commanded and received worship from Moses (Ex 3:5) and Joshua (Josh 5:14). Angels were not to receive worship. When John attempted to worship an angel in Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9, he was corrected quickly and told not to do it.

It is clear from this abundance of evidence that the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament was a preincarnate form of our Lord Jesus Christ, who would later permanently take on flesh when he came as a babe in Bethlehem. But mark it well: the one who came after John had already been before--he was that angel of the Lord. His full deity was always observed and yet he presented the same mystery of the Trinity that would later be observed in "I and the Father are one" (Jn 10:30) and "my other witness is the Father, who sent me" (Jn 8:18). It is that word sent that ties together the angel, messenger or sent one into an Old Testament theology of christophanies, appearances of God in human form.

See also comment on GENESIS 32:23-33; EXODUS 24:9-11; 33:18-23.

http://www.ivpress.com/title/exc/1423-8c.php

I have got 2 scriptures for u...

1 john 4:12..

New International Version (©1984)
No one"" has ever seen God""; but if we love one
another, God lives in us and his love is made
complete in us.
........
New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has"" ever seen God"". But if we love each
other, God lives in us, and his love is brought
to full expression in us.


......

John 6:46

New International Version (©1984)
No one has seen the Father except the one
who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
.......
New Living Translation (©2007)
(Not that anyone has ever seen the Father;
only I, who was sent from God, have seen him.)


All the persons abraham,sarah,lot etc saw were Yahwehs angels....

How can this simple truth be so hard for you guys to understand...

The bible does not contradict itself....

No one can see the Father and yet live...

gbrookes02: His God nature was everywhere as God. God is everywhere.

Lmao....

And I need just a scripture for this hoax u just wrote......

Open the scriptures and stop explaining what is not within the walls of the bible.....

Open the bible and prove what you just said......

Open open open!!!!!!!

gbrookes02: Jesus also said that He will raised Himself up from the dead, John 2:19,21 (New International Version) "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body."

Lol....

So Jesus said he was goin to raise up half of himself right??

And it wasn't Jesus who raised up himself....

Have you read further in the bible to really know who ressurected Jesus??

Keep reading and you'll find.....

frosbel: sorry this is just plain nonsense.

You either die or you do not die.

So if his Human part died , why did his God part not raise him from the dead, why did God the father have to raise his SON through his Spirit from the dead.

Surely Jesus is GOD , so his God nature should have left after death and raised him up , no ?

Also if he did not DIE 100% , then Jesus was playing pretend and the resurrection was a joke.

You Catholics are so so deceived and lost , repent from your blasphemies to avoid sharing the lake of fire with all the popes starting from emperor Constantine.

I'm still perplexed by the explanation I'm hearing from these trinitarians.....

I never knew it was a part of Jesus that died......lmao......

Then it means Jesus' ressurection was a lie and a joke....

gbrookes02: It was His human nature that died, and it was His same human nature that was ressurected.

And where was his God nature that you claimed was with him right from the time he was in marys womb till his death??

You said he was 100 percent man and GOD on earth....

Did you forget??

Now you are clinging to his human nature alone to escape reality.....

Logicboy03: See this Jehovah witness

See this atheist.....!!!!.....:-)

Ubenedictus: ofcuz, did u forget Jesus preaching to d spirit in prison? Were u blind wen dat part was been read

So how many parts of Jesus preached to the spirits in prison??

And please when did Jesus go preach to the spirits in heaven??before his death or after ressurection??

And please if it was Jesus' human nature that dies while his God nature ran somewhere else,which part of Jesus was ressurected??

His human nature or his God nature??

And please use the bible.....

gbrookes02: God The Father no one has seen, so The God Almighty people saw in the Old Testament could not of being The Father but The Son - Jesus. How else it this truth be logically explained?

So open the scriptures and show it was the son .....SMH!!!!!!!!!!

Please just open one scripture to show all of us....

So it is now Yahweh the Father,Yahweh the son and Yahweh the holy spirit....??

Do u see what the trinity is doing to you??
.

Ubenedictus: beautiful, i just check many translations and that particular repetition didn appear in them, anyway, context is key.
Now listen and open your eyes.
I kings 8:1 is a continuation of 1 kings 7:51, and solomon is vs51 is still d same solomon in 8:1 and d same king solomon in d same vs 1. The whole context continue to show 1 solomon, i told u earlier context is key!
Now what does gen19:24 say? It says "yahweh rained down...from yahweh in heaven", the last time d word yahweh was used before 19 was in 18, and yahweh wasnt in heaven, he was on earth discussing with abraham, now it is my time to ask u, did yahweh leave heaven and was on earth, so that d same person wu rained down fire in heaven was d same person on earth? In context there is only one reason y d words "from yahweh in heaven" becos d bible had already identified yahweh on earth, so wen it say "yahweh rained down from yahweh in heaven" in clear context two different persons are ment. Solomen can invite people unto himself, but it will b defy all principles if yahweh is sending fire from himself. Wen d words "from" is used then it would b stupid to imagine singularity. Can ijaw kid steal "from" himself?
d same old story,

Ubenidictus for once try to let the bible not contradict itself.....

If it is a fact that Yahweh is 1 Yahweh why on earth should you assume or read a false meaning into gensis 19:24...

Its very wrong.....

This is one reason I also quoted from other translations that Just stated that ""Yahweh made it rain fire and sulphur....""

But you argued,that's why I had to quote 1 kings 8:1 to show you a similar idiom that was used......

And that expression is an idiom ...

Solomon summoned ubenidictus to king solomon.

Ubenedictus: Now u have started ranting sorry my friend d xtians didnt remove yahweh from d bible, d jews did as early as 2bc d name was alread lost because d jews thought it was too holy to b called. U have started lying, trinitarians werent involved in changing yahweh to adonia ask d jews

wen i d fullness of d Godhood state dwells in more than one person, im not suprised that more than one person bears d divine name.

continue ranting.

You are on a long thing bro....

Keep believing in your 3 in 1 God....

I've done my Job on genesis 19:24....

What baffles me is how u guys just pick out random scriptures to support the trinity......


Remember how you and your cohorts said there are 3 Yahwehs.....

I mean that got me sad ........you guys belittled and divided Yahweh into 3 persons....

SMH!!!!!!

gbrookes02: John 1:1-4, 14, 18 (New International Version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

This passage says The Word was God and the Word Jesus. And verses 18 also says He was God.

So which God has no one seen??

Oya talk....

TroGunn: Darby Bible Translation
"And Jehovah rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven".

Do you really think this refers to two persons or you are arguing for the sake of arguing?

And what's the meaning of "Yahweh on earth", which you inserted and is not part of the Blble text? Is that supposed to be Jesus? Was Jesus on earth at time? Na waooo

Lol.....

My problem is after showing the bobo that such expressions were Hebrew idiom used to speak of a person’s doing something in reference to himself.....

I pointed out a similar verse that used such expression,but mr man no gree o...

He says that there are 2 Yahwehs thereby contradicting the Jewish creed which Jesus himself recited..:::

Listen O isreal Yahweh our God is 1 Yahweh.....

gbrookes02: Genesis 19:24 (English Standard Version (©2001))

"Then the LORD (Yahweh on earth) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven."

Two persons are called Yahweh the one on earth, and the one in heaven.

How can a person do something from themself, for example can you take something from yourself? The preposition "from" shows there are two persons otherwise the statement don't make any sense at all.

This is the point that you missed big time, and thus you erred because you don't know the scriptures.

Wesley's Notes

19:24 Then the Lord rained - from the Lord - God the Son, from God the Father, for the Father has committed all judgment to the Son. He that is the Saviour will be the destroyer of those that reject the salvation.

http://bible.cc/genesis/19-24.htm

And you keep getting blind......

How does it differ from solomon summoning elders to king solomon??




SMH!!!!!!.....

And once again you are ending up been deluded by your trinity dogma and your trinitarian scholars.....

Now how does your shaky stance ryhme with deuteronomy 6;4 that says Yahweh is 1 Yahweh not two.....??

You are on a long thing my bro......

Keep been dulled......

And again no man can see Yahweh....that's a reminder...

I'm through with you...

@all atheist....

I'll have to support my bro image123......

Yahweh is the standard for goodness....
If you wanna prove you're good u gotta obey Yahweh and his son....


Y'all atheist should pray Yahweh considers some of you when the end comes...if not!!!!!........

Ona know how e go be na.....:-)

gbrookes02: I read it, and saw your very big mistake thats why I make the comment.

Hahahahahahahaha......

And please point out the mistake.....

In that 1 kings 8:1 it says that :::

""Solomon"" summoned the judges and elders to ""king solomon""....

An exact similar expression moses used when he said ""Yahweh made it rain fire and sulphur from Yahweh...""

When I say read your bible completely u won't...

U rather go around to cherry pick verses that you never let the bible explain..instead you allow the trinity dogma dull you to the extent that any scripture u just see u want to use.....

And that is because after quoting deuteronomy 6:4 that says Yahweh is 1 Yahweh and also Jesus reiterating @ mark 12:29 that Yahweh is one Yahweh too,you and your colleagues chose to avoid that but childishly clung to genesis 19:24 which doesn't even for one bit prove the trinity or that Yahweh is more that one person....

gbrookes02: In an above post you were bellyaching about people insulting you now you are talking about "then you need urgent help , honestly !!" you can insult but others can't.

Yes, GOD commanded his angels to worship GOD.

Now u really need help.....lol

Ubenedictus: hahaha, u are going to tel me dat only ur bible go it right abi? I wnt follow ur diversion

I'm not diverting you......

the other translations just explained it all......

Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them bow
before him .......

Open your eyes and see real exegesis....

Ubenedictus: in him is hidden all wisdom and knowledge, did u miss dat?

it didnt prove nting, it just confirm my knowledge that d son recieved all from d fada, i already knew dat.

really? Wen Jesus was going to heaven he didnt say he didnt know instead he said it isnt 4 us to know.

again that didnt disprove my arguement. He is son to his fada, im not suprised dat he obeys.

nah my friend, d fada already gave him all, from all eternity.
where u sleepin wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

u didnt even make a point

So open a scripture that says Jesus now knows when the end is coming........

Abi e no dey your bible??

Besides Jesus right there in the heavens still recieves revelations.....

The bible must always debunk your pagan stance.....

And why should Jesus obey his equal??are u with your brains??

Does it make any sense to you??

Then what is co-equality??

You are far off from the definition of co-equality......

You are stiil saying ""the Father gave Him""....

That expression squashes ur stand on co-equality......

Jesus is suppose to have all authority within him if he was co equal with his Father ..........but for the bible to shame u,it says Jesus "" wa§ given""........

Ubenedictus: hahaha, u hv decided to bring a diversion abi? Hahaha wat cn i xpect of d ijaw guy tell me again abt heb 1:6

I was only making you and your myopic colleagues how to read scriptures.....

How does it feel to see translations exegete words in the right context......

Jesus was adored,bowed to as Yahwehs .king designate........

Ofcus Jesus isn't the God of the angels in heaven....haven't I told u before that Jesus is a morning star as well??

Yahweh is the GOD and Father of all.....

Ubenedictus: hahahaha, really? Wu preach to d spirits in prison? Hahaha

Wasn't it after Jesus's ressurection that he preached to the spirits in prison??

Abi u leave your brain for toilet??

gbrookes02: The two translations you mentioned have not accurately translated the greek here strong enough because in a religious context the word means worship , and it is a religious context here in Heaven. They most likely meant ADORE and BOW in worship, in their translations because it is a religious context.

You are finished......

You need to learn a lot......

ADORE and BOW DOWN is what it is....

In your brain Jesus is the almighty,but in the bible Jesus is less than his GOD and Father .....

Learn!!!!

Ubenedictus: just d way im equal in dignity accding to nature to my dad and im subordinate to him by rank.

i already taught u this but ur brain is blocked it doesnt remember.


it doesnt affect it because coequality is due to nature

rev says "which God gave him", im suprised u have a problem with that all d attributes of God (d fulnes of d deity) was given to d son by d fada wen d divine nature was transmitted. That is d meaning of d word begotten, it means my parents gave me all d attributes of humanity. Christ fada gave him all d attributes of d divinity. My bibles says "all wisdom and knowledge are hidden in him".

he searchet the deep things of God, that is how my bible puts it.

Still hogwash nigga.......

U haven't answered if the holy spirit knows when the end will come.....

Please don't assume,just give facts....

We already know the son doesn't know.........


And you just said GOD gave him divinity abi??

Why does Jesus have to wait to be given anything from some1 who according to you he is co equal with....


You don't understand the word ""co equal""

Open your damn dictionary and check....

gbrookes02: What is done in matthew 18:26, the slave coming before his master was not in a religious context so therefore the slave was not worshipping is master. Hebrews 1:6 is in a religious context in Heaven therefore it is worship, whatever goes on in Heaven is happening in a religious context and thus it is worship, for example in verses 3-4 we are told some of the reason why it is a religious context and thus why they worship Him for example "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being", "After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven" meaning among other things His work of atonement is completed. These are the reasons why "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." Plain and simple. If this and the rest of Hebrews does show that it is all a religious context and in that religious context that they worship Him then there is no such thing as worship.
I quoted the New International Version.

Did you read the other translations I put up to explain my point??....

Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And
let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the
first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them""
bow
before"" him -

ADORE and BOW down were used by those translations....

It answers your question...

But as usual you are still stubborn....

Ubenedictus: hahahaha! So d fada was before his logos(word/reason), hahahaha, u are telling me that there was a time d fada didnt have logos. Hahaha, this is really heresy

You are foolishly implying that when Jesus came to the world Yahweh became dumb(was wordless).....

But sorry Yahweh still had his words inside of Him when he appointed Jesus as his son when Jesus was baptized......

So put on your thinking caps on more time and think........

The bible is called the ""word of God"" too....

I wonder if the bible existed the same time with Yahweh......

Go back and ask yourself why Jesus is called ""the word of God""

Ubenedictus: sorry my friend, no on can see God, ihendi just taught u that God is a nature, if God takes human nature he will be visible and no one will die because no one will see d divine nature all we will see is a human nature with blood and bone. That is y d fulnes of d deity dwelt in christ bodily and nobody died...

And ihedinobi is not Jesus who said no man has see God....

So tell ihedinobi that he failed woefully as well....

So ihedinobi is now ur bible abi??

Next!!!!!......

Ubenedictus: hahaha, it seems u missed where d bible say all knowledge and wisdom are hidden in christ. Hahaha, u are contradicting d bible

And then he didn't know when the end will come. With the all knowingness......clap for yourself...........!!!!....

And again also recieves revelations from the ultimate source of knowledge......

Try again!!!!....

You fail....

Ubenedictus: were u blind wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

Where??

Oya open the bible show me....

italo: I have read 1 Cor 15 and it doesn't make sense because I am using your way of reasoning that says that God, god and 'a God' are all the same and that there are countless gods in heaven and earth including me and you. So which god is Paul talking about? Is it you?

You might want to clarify that.

Is God the everlasting Father?

Did u read verse 24 of chapter 15??....

New International Version (©1984)
Then the end will come, when he hands over
the kingdom to"" God the Father"" after he has
destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
.....

Don't act like u didn't see it......