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Goshen360: If Ijawkid is saying God, god and "a God" are all the same, we can as well use same logic to conclude by saying or using Yahweh, as god.......

Na him make 1 corinthians 8:5,6 dey to answer this question.....

For there are many called Gods but to "Us" there is but 1 God...

And who??
.
God the Father....

The oneness and trueness of God is attached to the Father Àlone and not to the other 2 acclaimed Gods that form a 3 way manifold God.......

Yahweh(the Father) is the one and only true God...

jÓhn17:3....

Jesus makes this crystal clear.....

gbrookes02: So therefore it is a religious context in Heaven and thus it is worship of Jesus. You can't get away from that - the religious context that it is in Heaven.

Let me give you an example...


Compare these translations on how they make use of that greek word in matthew
18:26
.......
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And falling down, that servant"" worshiped"" him,
and he said, “My Lord, be patient with me, and
I shall pay you everything.”

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
The servant therefore fell down, and
""worshiped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience with
me, and I will pay you all.

American King James Version
The servant therefore fell down, and
""worshipped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay you all.
......
American Standard Version
The servant therefore fell down and
""worshipped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all


........

Compare them with these translations...

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"So the slave fell to the ground and
""prostrated"" himself before him, saying, 'Have
patience with me and I will repay you
everything.'

........

English Standard Version (©2001)
So the servant"" fell on his knees"", imploring him,
‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you
everything.’...

..............

Darby Bible Translation
The bondman therefore falling down did him
""homage"", saying, Lord, have patience with me
and I will pay thee all.....

..........


Can you spot out the way the translations differ??

Some translated the word ""pro·sky·ne′o" as worship others as paying homage,bending down showing honor to a king,bowing down,prostrating..........

Now would you tell me that that slave literally"" worshipped"" the king he was begging??

Need I remind you that it is exactly this same greek word used here in matthew 18:26 that was still used in hebrews 1:6.......

Now the truth is being a trinitarian you would be fast to conclude that Jesus was worshipped in the sense of Jesus being the God of the angels...

,but if you had believed that Jesus is not the almighty God and that Jesus has a God who is over Him and who does not share his worship,then you would know the right way to render that word ""pro·sky·ne′o"" in hebrews 1:6.....

Now try connecting Jesus' perfect response to satan in matthew 4:8 and hebrews 1:6......

And please see how this translation renders and uses the greek word ""pro·sky·ne′o"" in hebrew§ 1:6

.........
Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them"" bow
before"" him -- all messengers of God;'
.....

My freind do you now get the gist.........

if you will acknowledge Christ isn't the almighty God and that Yahweh alone is the one we must fully worship,you wouldn't have this problems....

gbrookes02: When such is done in a religious context it is worshp. They did it in a religious context to Jesus so it is worship of Jesus. Outside of a religious context it can be obeisance, respect, and so on, but the context here is religious in nature which make it worship in nature of Jesus.

The context there is that Jesus has been exalted over the angels and has been designated by Yahweh as king of Yahwehs kingdom......

The angels do not see Jesus as there God they render exclusive devotion to....

Yahweh is the one person who deserves all the worship....

Jesus himself has given you a perfect reply there in matthew...

So your duty is to find out what the bible means when it says the angels should worship Jesus....

Phillipians explains it better by using the word ""bow down""......

Goshen360: ......so that you no go come add petrol on top of the fire. . You know how much per litre petrol don cost now right ...I no say you no go wan add more petrol because we fit save that money for tithe on sunday.....

Lmao.....

My brother them go soon commot the fuel subsiÐy kpatakpata...

Na that time we go know say kaki no be leather.....

Me I wan begin save money o.....

Or better still u go dey send me petrol from Yankee come....lol

gbrookes02: Jesus was both God and man, since God can't die that means it was His human nature that died. Plain and simple.

SMH!!!!!!.........

And quote just 1 scripture to prove it....

We are waiting.......

Then when Jesus was ressurected which part of Him was ressurected??

Let me zip my mouth.....

My bro goshen and frosbel are doing it GOOD.....

:-)

gbrookes02: Matthew 4:10 say we should only worship God yet Jesus approvingly received worship from angels and men, therefore He is God.

When the scriptures use the greek word "" pro·sky·ne′o"" if not used in the right context we would contradict the bible and its truth....

That greek word means all these::::
worship,obeisance.bow down,prostrate...etc

When Yahweh says let the angels "" pro·sky·ne′o"" Jesus,Yahweh was only telling the angels to bow down and show honor and respect to his exalted Son.......not to worship Jesus as there GOD....the GOd of the angels and Jesus is Yahweh......

We can't possibly worship 2 GODs,.....

That will go against the whole scriptures.....

It is Yahweh alone we are to worship.....Jesus was 100% correct when he gave satan that perfect rebuttal that it is Yahweh only we must worship.......

And please have u followed up that link I pasted??

It gives u a perfect exegesis on what genesis 19:24 meant....

Boomark: Hahaha.
I noticed that since they restored the name of God(Yahweh) in some of their bible, their new trick is to say that the Father is Yahweh, Jesus is Yahweh, Holyspirit is Yahweh just to keep trinity going.

Exactly....

1st of all they took off the name JEHOVAH from the bible.......

Truth lovers found out the ""WAYO"" and now many know the name of the only true GOD......

Instead of trinitarians to bow down there heads in shame ,they now want to ascribe the name Jehovah to 3 persons....

Is still can't understand how desperate they are....

Deuteronomy says Yahweh is 1 Yahweh......

Trinitarians as usual went about cherry picking and came up with genesis 19:24 forgetting that the bible must always remain true.......

And the scriptures just did debunk the hell out of ubenidictus and all those trinitarians who rush to use genesis 19:24 as a support for there pagan doctrine.......

gbrookes02: ""CO - EQUAL"" in nature and essence only not in authority and role in The Trinity.

Please can the scriptures back this point??

Why should the Father be greater than Jesus even in the smallest way if they were co-equal??why??

Then does the word co-equal still apply??

gbrookes02: You still haven't answered my questions you are just arguing in circles.

All that mean is that God in His God nature can't die, but you still have not explain why can't God enter into His creation take on mortal human flesh in addition to His God nature have His human nature to die but His God nature not to die which will not in anyway violate Numbers 23:19 because as far as where His God nature is concern He never died? Why can't it happened? What prevents Him from doing such?

Where in the bible did you get your "100% Jesus died for 3days"? It was His human nature that died not His God nature.

So Jesus human nature was what died,not his God nature...

Please can you kindly open just one verse to prove this heresy!!!!!...

Please we'll appreciate it....

Open the scripture where it says it is a part of Jesus that died not the whole of Jesus.....

Make u no dey talk lie because of trinity o....

Was there Jesus somewhere else,when he was in the grave for 3 good days??

Oboy this your LIE na wa o....

gbrookes02: You anti-Trinitarians have failed to deal with scriptures the we put forth to you all that show that Jesus is God, you all just ignored them as if they don't exist, you all are very dishonest. For example John 20:28 (New International Version (©1984)) "Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!", Thomas correctly called Jesus God.
John 5:18 (New International Version (©1984)) "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Jesus revealed to the Jews that He was equal to God, and they understood that.

If everything that was created and made were all created and made by Jesus then how could Jesus have being created unless He created Himself which is nonsense, Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3? Therefore He is Yahweh God Almighty.

If Jesus is not God then what is the name that Matthew 28:19 speak of that is shared by all three persons in the Godhead?

How do you explain 2 Peter 1:1 (New International Version) "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours", and Titus 2:13 (New International Version) "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ"?

All these passages above show that Jesus is God, and God is all knowing therefore Jesus is all knowing. Simple and logical but in your all dishonesty you all just ignore all these passages and the others as well.

Genesis 19:24 (English Standard Version (©2001)) "Then the LORD (Yahweh) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD (Yahweh) out of heaven." If Jesus in His preexistance is not one of the two persons that is referred to as Yahweh here in this passage then tell me who are the two persons here that are referred to as Yahweh? And remember Yahweh knows every thing therefore Jesus as Yahweh knows everything, simple and logical. If A = B, and B = C, then A = C. Plain and simple logic.

John 21:17 also says Jesus knows everything.

If someone tells me something to tell someone else how does that prove that I don't already know of that thing that I am told to tell someone else? Explain that to me. Haven't anyone ever told you anything that you didn't already know of or about (and to tell someone else of or about it)? Where is your all logic?

1 corinthians 15:24-28 is in harmony with what we Trinitarians are saying of The Son's subjection to The Father.

Obediant children are all subject to their parents yet the children and parents all have the same human nature. The Trinity is one "what" (Yahweh God Almighty) and three "whos" (three persons).

Like always you all are going to ignore all of the above in your all dishonesty.

Please viisit this thread....

Gensis 19:24 was explained and the trinity debunked....
www.nairaland.com/1063938/perfect-rebuttal-ubenidictus-genesis-19

And please why should the Son be subjected to the Father??

It seems you guys don't understand the implication of the word ""CO - EQUAL""

You guys coined the word but the bible keeps debunking the fraud ""trinity""

Image123: Yeeeeaaaaaaaa,see as all of them dey hyperventilate. Pride dey make their blood dey boil. thank God for internet, i for just quickly become another martyr like Stephen my bro. i can't be here arguing colours with the blind oh. Thank God, i have other responsibilities.


was it the koran i quoted or osew yaw ababio? Jesus became man, humbled Himself, became obedient to death, made Himself of no reputation. but it is shown in scriptures that in flashes, the disciples recognised that intrinsically He is God.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest from God.
Joh 21:17 He saith to him the third time, Simon son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he said to him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said to him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith to him, Feed my sheep.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
THREE WITNESSES, I MUST NOT SHOUT

Aramaic Bible in plain Engrish? Is that a joke? These guys and their stunts, you should work with the circus iadvice. The NT was not even written in aramaic if my history serves in right. i think only Daniel, Esther or so. But i trust you guys to bring up only translations that foster your slow goals.


Rabbi, come and teach us ohhh. Is it JAMB or post-UTME? Tempt dey make you stammer like this? When you were throwing the word, you did not know abi?


This is the type that will make some of my pals to shout EEEEEEEEIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! This guy go soon write Bible, very soon.
Okay take this ones join your twists.
Num 20:12 And the LORD spoke unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.
Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Eze 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify mysel[/b]f; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I [b]sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.


So you want to erase that scripture? Ask jawk to borrow you more Bible versions ehn. It's the same word the writer used as MAN in Numbers that he also used as MAN here. the point is the unobvious mystery or as the unbeliever may call it a contradiction, but i see that you will not see it, because you're eyes are closed, and ears blocked.


Ask Bible oh, or ask Paul, or ask a good english teacher abi na me talk am? Who is the subject of the passage?

Talking of context, and scriptures agreeing with scriptures,
I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and [before] Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
That thou keep [this] commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.
You need to buy you "Brighter Grammar", i'm not sure you can download it online.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


see super story oh, so that Spirit of GOD was missing when He said "nobody knows the time"? You are the one who needs a course in context, the context of Son of man, Son of God, and God the Son.


if i told you, you would not believe.
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Isaiah said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

you might call us blind but Jesus says trinitarians have got no eyes........

Where is your rebuttal to Jesus denying being Good but attributing all-goodness to one person,.........

And please Jesus does not know when the end will come.............

That is Jesus' reply to the persons who taught he was all-knowing.....

Ubenedictus: did u write that bible?

Show us where the bible says 1 God is made up of 3 persons....

Till date no scripture supports that.....

Y'all just rant shouting the trinity .......

Paganism!!!!!!......

Ubenedictus: i already did and i remember d last time i showed u that verse u ran away screaming, cherry picking! U have already started to scream

I opened up this thread for you personally to debunk you on genesis 19:24 but you blind folded your trinitarian eye....

Oya open this link...it was directed to you...

www.nairaland.com/1063938/perfect-rebuttal-ubenidictus-genesis-19

Ubenedictus: dull boy, blind even to scriptures heb1:6 "let all God's angels WORSHIP him"
are u going to show me ur adulterated bible now?

Just like the way you worship your pope and Mary abi??

You better go for tutorials on the greek word "" pro·sky·ne′o"" and come back let's discuss.....

Rubbish!!!!!

Ubenedictus: you dont know the difference btw person and being that is ur problem. Yahweh refer to one being that is what the bible says "yahweh ur God is one" but it doesnt refer to one person that is why d bible also says "yahweh rained down fire and brimstone from yahweh in heaven". anybody wu is blind or incapable of reason will notice that two persons are addressed as yahweh in the later passage.

"yahwah rained down fire and brimstone from yahweh in heaven" did u miss that part of genesis?

im sorry to say this friend but u are d heretic here. U have been preaching arianism on this thread. You doctrine is d offspring of a excommunicated priest named arius. Go and make research and tell me wu d heretic is.

hahahaha, read heb 1, my bible says "let d angels worship him" i said it b4 u are preaching heresy. Christ is both highpriest, mediator, victim and God.

hahaha, my bible says Jesus shuld b worshiped

hahaha is that what ur adulterated bible say? Hahaha

sorry to burst ur bubble, no high priestess in heaven.
I wont b suprised abt her chair close to d fada
and u refuse to worship one wu deserves worship.

You are still on the Yahweh made it rain fire from Yahweh??

I had opened a thread as a rebuttal to your low understanding of genesis 19:24 but you ran away........


And please how should I worship Jesus??the same way you worship mary ??

Right??

Image123: 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.[/color]

You shoulda gone further to verse 8 to also find out that water and blood are also part of the trinity.....

International Standard Version (©2008)
the Spirit, the water, and the blood-and these
three are"" one"".
...............
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And there are three testifying: The Spirit and
the water and the blood, and the three of
them are in"" one"".
..........
Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three that give testimony on
earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three are"" one"".


Although the verse 7 you quoted has long been refuted as spurious,verse 8 still turns the trinity upside down.....

From your assertion on verse 7 we can totally conclude that water,the holy spirit and blood are one forming another trinity..........(Trinity).......

Can we conclude that water and blood are also GOD??....

@image123.....

Please also explain this scripture and also find a way to escape from it.....

Why would Jesus been almighty make this statement that squashes the trinity....

Hear what our Lord Jesus said....


Luke 18:18-19.....
18. A certain ruler asked him, “Good
teacher,
what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19. “Why do you call me good?” Jesus
answered.
“No one is good—except"" God"" alone.



I want to ask trinitarians....who is this GOD alone??

Jesus denies being all GOOD(not that Jesus is bad).....but attributes all -goodness to the one and only YAHWEH.........

Another potent point that proves Jesus isn't all-GOOD and therefore not the almighty GOD or an equal to the almighty GOD.....

Image123: i so love the work my brother Ola is doing here. Though, imust unfortunately say that a blind man is blind, whether you show him from afar, or from anear, or from above, or from azoom, or from angles 90, 180, 45, any angle, any colour. the blind man is blind. He needs revelation. If it was a problem of poor vision, they might have profited from meditation. But this is a problem of NO vision.
Luke 6:39 And he spoke a parable to them; Can the blind lead the blind? will they not both fall into the ditch?
the Word remains but a parable to them.

They have told us Jesus is not almighty, so He is not God. We have shown them
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

They have told us Jesus can be tempted, so He is not God. We have shown them
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Psa 78:56 Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:

They have told us Jesus can be sanctified, so He is not God. We have shown them
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.

They have told us that Jesus is a man, so He is not God. We have shown them
Exo 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

They have told us that Jesus is not immortal, so He is not God. We have shown them
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he will show who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

They have told us that Jesus does not know everything, so He is not God. We have shown them
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest from God.
Joh 21:17 He saith to him the third time, Simon son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he said to him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said to him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith to him, Feed my sheep.

They have been blind to these things, but they are no left with an excuse or a witness.
Act 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
SHAME TO YOU SATAN, HALLELUYAH.

And Jesus made it known to his apostles and all of us that he isn't all-knowing........

He doesn't know when the end will come........

Have you not been reading??......

SMH,,!!!!!!!........

And you are still stubbornly quoting revelation 1:8 when it has already been exposed that it was Yahweh who is the almighty....

Revelations 1:8
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD
JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is
coming, The Almighty.

Is Jesus, JEHOVAH??

And nobody has still found out if Jesus now knows when the end will come....

I'm so sorry image123 Jesus don spoil ona show by truthfully saying he isn't all knowing,but only JEHOVAH.......

seriallink: Ijawkid, wadup bro? Hope you are okay! You know, this question has been bugging me for a while. I need your inputs! I hail

My bro I dey o.......

There's a verse I'm trying to get from the book of JOB.......

I think its gonna help.......when I do I'ma put it down here....:-)

italo: Prove it from the Bible. For now, Jesus is the everlasting father. That is what the Bible says and that is what I know.



Oh! So you see how inadequate your method of reasoning is. You who said the everlasting father, the mighty god is not almighty, simply because it wasn't written out in that verse. You should also say the father Paul was talking about was not everlasting because it wasn't written out in that verse.



Yes. And it is also clear to you that Jesus and the Father are ONE. That he who sees Jesus has seen the father...



How numerous the verses I have allowed to explain to you that Jesus is God, but you bring up the most absurd arguments that even a universally acclaimed lunatic like frosbel wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

Thomas called Jesus "My God!" You said the exclammation mark means that Jesus is not God. Where else in scripture would a devout Jew use the name of God like that?

Rev 22 refers to Jesus as Alpha and Omega. You said you don't know who Rev 22 is talking about. I thought Jehovah's witnesses were supposed to know the Bible more than we Catholics.

Isaiah calls Jesus "Mighty God." You said it is not "Almighty." But it is God. This was after you had lied that "El Gibbor" meant powerful spirit being or some similar bullshit.

Jesus said before Abraham was, I Am. You said "I Am" is not God's name. Even though it was God who called himself by that name.

So you problem is not lack of scripture verses and passages, your problem is your evil agenda.



I would have understood it to mean exactly what it said but since you said that there is no difference between God, god and 'a God', and we are all god, then I can't understand it anymore

Who is the god Paul is talking about? Is it me, you, Adam, Obama, satan, an angel, money or what?

If you say the god Paul is talking about is the "almighty god", where does the passage say that?

you wanna know the God that is the all and all and also the God of Jesus??

You already know....

He has a name meant exclusively for only Him.......

Read deuteronomy 6:4.....

Listen O isreal and O italo ""Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh""..........

The truth is right in front of you.......

If you are still holding on to thomas' exclamation while neglecting Jesus' own words then na you sabi for yourself.......

John 20:17.......has enough info for you........

The GOD and Father of Jesus is also our GOD and Father...........

Can't you just let this simple truth sink into you??

You still haven't explained what you understand from 1 corinthians 15:24-28.....

Explain what those verses say about everything we've been debating.......

Read that 1 corinthians and make your conclusion.........

God2man: @Jesoul and mamustwac, i know Jesoul is a christian, mamustwac is an atheist, fine. No problem.
There are certain utterances that should be controlled on nairaland, furktard, daft, lazy, delusional, absolute nonsense, fool, goat, these are even better than thinking from your dirty arse and various curses.


Why am i saying all these things?
Am i running away from abuse? No, Paul said none of this thing move me. In christianity, persecution is allowed. I don't know much about other religions. Am i encouraging the use of abuse words, No. I may have the grace to withstand vulgar words but what about others.

I am worried about your business, you cannot put other people down to move up, it is not possible, the way you treat your customers will determine the growth of your business.
Words are very powerful, the Bible says, death and life are in the power of the tongue. What we say to others will go a long way to encourage their JOYFUL participation on nairaland forum.
You may not take this advice serious, but a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Little by little, people will find it difficult to come to nairaland. God forbid! This is not my prayer.

There is nothing wrong with this topic, please do not remove this topic .

God bless you all.
God2man.

On this forum,

You are most welcome my bro.....

This write up aint no fake tale....it really happened here in delta state....

I serve here in delta state and it all really happened......

italo: @ Ijawkid,

In the same post, you seem to be saying Jesus is the father and Yahweh is the father.

Who is the Father and who is the Everlasting Father?

How can the Father (who is not everlasting) be the Father of the Everlasting Father?

Because in the context of isaiah Jesus being the everlasting Father is signified by him(Jesus) being the last adam.........

Now how can you tell me Yahweh who created everything,including Jesus would not be everlasting??

But it is clear to you that Jesus has a Father.....

The truth is when you read a scripture allow other numerous scriptures explain it....

If not you'll run into conclusions that will contradict every single doctrine you hold on to.....

Please I want u to read 1 corinthians 15:24-28 and tell me what you understand from it........

seriallink: Thanks bro; but was Jesus Christ raised bodily or spiritually? Because the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ was raised with his physical body! Don't you think it would be the same in our case?That an aged man would be raised with the same body he had before he died?

Thanks for the biblical passages you posted up there! Much appreciated

Good questions.......

Boomark: Beautiful!

gbrookes. You should also know that Rev1:1 is also in line with our Lord doing the will of the Father.

1Cor15:27-28 holds lots of meaning if trinitarians would want to read it. It seems they avoid this potion of the bible with passion and never interested in reading or explaining it for an obvious reason which is fear and not knowing what to say.

1 corinthians 15:24-28 squashes everything about the trinity dogma......

That scripture goes ahead of revelations in showing what will happen after Jesus finishes his assignment as Yahwehs king designate.....

That same kingdom that the almighty gave Jesus as an assignment to carry out,Jesus will hand it over to the giver of everything......

And then Yahweh would then squash the debate of Godship......

He will be all over all....

Jesus would be made subject to his Father as he always been........

Trinitarians would look at this scripture and still argue blindly that Jesus is all knowing,all powerful and co-equal with his Father......

This scripture is the end of everything.......

Infact 1 corinthians 15:24....

New International Version (©1984)
Then the"" end"" will come, when he hands over
the kingdom to God the Father after he has
destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
......
New Living Translation (©2007)
After that the"" end"" will come, when he will turn
the Kingdom over to God the Father, having
destroyed every ruler and authority and
power.
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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
then comes the" end"", when He hands over the
kingdom to the God and Father, when He has
abolished all rule and all authority and power.


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The END.............

italo: No. So that means the mighty is not the almight abi? Ok, is ordinary "father" and "everlasting father" the same thing? No. So the "father" Paul is talking about is not everlasting abi (going by your quack and dubious method of reasoning). So the mighty god is everlasting but the almighty god is not everlasting abi?

Who then is Yahweh and who is Jesus. Is Yahweh the ordinary father or the everlasting one?



You have never explained what "everlasting father" means. You call that idiocy 'explanation?' The Bible calls Jesus "everlasting father" and you say it is because he came to replace Adam who fell. Where does the Bible say that, or you just bastardized scripture to suit your heresy?



But which God??.........

The Mighty God! The Everlasting Father! The Alpha and Omega! The Beginning and the End! The First and the Last! The I Am! "My God" - Thomas; "God over all" - Paul.

Now you answer: which god is that?

U might have wondered why Jesus is called the last adam....

Jesus would be Father of the coming age being the last adam....

You think if adam had not disobey God there would be any need for Yahweh sending Jesus??

Ok if you doubt ask yourself why Jesus told his disciples this as recorded in matthew 23:9....

New Living Translation (©2007)
And don't address anyone here on earth as
'Father,' for only God in heaven is your
spiritual Father.

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The problem you are having is because never ask yourself why Jesus is called the last ""adam""........go meditate on that.......

We and Jesus share the smae Father...

Read john 20:17.....

New International Version (©1984)
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have
not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to
my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to
my Father and your Father, to my God and
your God.'"
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You remember when Jesus always prayed to our Father?? ELI ELI,my Father.??

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Jesus is not God over all......he has a God over Him......

Read John 20:17..........

You are still holding on to cherry picked verses that other translations authored by trinitarians have debunked.....

The minute you understand that Jesus has a God over Him the trinity veil will be off your eyes.....

But you are running away......

Jesus is not the almighty....the bible has coherently proved that......

Rizstar: men i just tire o. i just saw my neighbour wit her bid gallon heading 2 church.

Lol........hahahahahahahhaha........

What did she say the holy water will do for her??

Ihedinobi: bwahahahahahahahahahaha.........

Lol....

U dey laugh??

Na truth u dey see so one on one......

All those 1 God in 3 person gibberish does not stand in the bible....

1 corinthians 8:5,6 says it all.....

italo: @ Ijawkid,

You haven't shown me where the Bible says "register you Christian marriage with civil authorities."

Are you still looking for it? Or do we declare it a PAGAN practice?

Hmmm italo wad up bro......

You no wan register your marraige??......

That is giving ceasers things to ceaser.....

Its like asking me if payin of tax is pagan....

You know what christmas is all about....you just want to hear me keep talking.......

Christmas is not giving Gods things to God,it is following the course of paganism which is the Father of xmas....

I jÙst don't know.........

But in this day and age I will say they are not useful......

If they were useful nÍgeria would have beÉn a paradise........

JohÑ 17:3 tells us what is all important.....

Handkerchieves,holy water,olive oil etc are all just what they are.......

italo: So what you are saying is that there is no distinction between God, god and "a God." Okay. Permit me then to use 'god' (with a small 'g') henceforth in this dialogue.



So in your opinion, Paul is saying god THE FATHER is the almighty god, and Isaiah is saying god the son is the "everlasting FATHER" and "the mighty god (Is. 9:6)."

You are saying the 'mighty' god is not the 'almighty' god. So the 'father' is not the 'everlasting father.' So the mighty god is not 'almighty' and the father is not everlasting.

Who is who, Ijawkid?

Is ""Almighty"" and ""mighty"" the same thing??

Na from me you wan learn english??

And how many times have we explained what Jesus been called everlasting Father means.....

1 corinthians says for there are many called GOD(s)...........

Is Jesus not called GOD??

Oh yes he is called........

But which God??.........

That's what 1 corinthians 8:5-6 just answered but you are struggling so hard to comprehend because you want to hear """"but to us there is but 1 GOD comprising of the Father,the Son,and the holy ghost""...

Oneness and trueness of God is attached to the Father alone.......not to a triune Godhead comprising of 3 persons......