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Pagan boy the bible does tell us animals are souls......

that is why an animals blood is precious in Gods eyes.....

davidylan: See also - atheist almost slavish worship of the scientific theories they bleat help them eliminate a need for a god. You replace a sky god with an earthly god = religion.

Exactly....

They'v replaced God with darwin and other scientists who are atheists....

Human worship is what they'v embraced....

Because all there life atheists try to find out info's from atheist scietists that refutes d existence of a God.....
Even when the info's gotten are spurious they just gulp them and evangelize them.....

buzugee: lets leave my gastronomic and peristaltic habits out of this, loco

Hehehehehhe....

Logic boy is tryna runaway from the truth...

It'll hunt him until he concurs.....

He spends 12hrs if not 24 hrs talking about issues pertaining to God but he denies he aint an atheist evangelist....

What else is he??

The other time he put up a post suggesting that some persons must have being converted into atheism since nairaland christians aint appearing much on this forum.....

Logic boy seriously needs and wants converts and that will make him happy...

Truely atheists have made the internet there church.....

Logicbwoy: See how you are brainwashed? Keep letting Davidylan lead you astray. He is a quack biologist that got caught lying about transitional fossils

We are evolving and also degenerating @ the same time.....


Hope u don't give birth to wolverin when ur wife gives birth.....

Ur a funny boy......

Silly theory.........

cyrexx: Its not the road to hell if you are "smart". Many pastors and christians commit adultery and fornication and they will still go to "heaven", if they take advantage of the great moral loophole in christianity by repenting after their sin.
While those who are holy all their lives can still go to "hell" if they commit a little sin shortly before their death.
Isn't that ironic.
That is why religion has not changed our corruption level in Nigeria.
Bunch of hypocritical bigots

U got it all wrong cyreexx.....ahH!!

The bible strictly says""fornicators and adulterers will not inherit Gods kingdom""...

Why would u say christians who engage in sexual immorality will go to heaven....

Where d hell did u read that??

OLAADEGBU: Are you a Christian?

Answer me 1st naa....

So that we can knw if obama is a christian or not....

cyrexx: ^^
you seem to always confuse atheism with evolution. Its obvious you know nothing about the established biological fact of evolution. You might as well reject every other scientific and biological facts.

Do you know that many christians subscribe to evolution and even interprete their creation story in light of scientific evidence of evolution.

You still have a lot to learn, that is, if you want to learn.
Read my post very well again and you will see that i'm not discouraging you from your religion.
Once again, best wishes.

I understand u bro....

But I'ma tell u this atheism and d theory of evolution are always birds of a feather....

Anything @ all that refutes Gods existence or d account of creation is highly upheld by atheists.....infact atheists have no choice but to believe in the evolution theory because they can't let the thought of a God in....

I am always ready to learn...

But simply tell me why we grow old??

That's all I wanna hear from ur atheist point of view.....tell me how old age started...

Tell me why our ancestors as u say and we humans must get old........
Why??

What's d cause??

Can't we keep evolving??

Why do we degenerate(old age) and return to the dust....??

I'm sincerely asking these questions.....

Enigma: They already have pastors etc; below is just one example (there are others).




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ZvD09uS2c



EDIT see also http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2010/01/harvards-atheist-chaplain.html

Lol.....

They'll always keep denying a fact that is right in front of them.........

The truth is logicboy would fit for an atheist bishop.....lol.....

He's good @ the evangelizing job......lol

Logicbwoy: I give up. I have never met an ignorant person like you who is happy to be ignorant. Daviddylan is a smart guy. He is a good liar. But you, you know nothing and you are damn proud of being damn ignorant.

Atheism is not a religion. Can never be.

It is my bro.....its a damn religion....

Ur here spreading the atheism gospel.....

Bishop logic boy.......

Ur preaching atheism,ur an evangelist.....

It might sound annoying but it is what it is.......

The internet has become ur church.....

Soon u'll be on d streets knocking peoples doors to convert theists to atheists........

Logicbwoy: You scared?

Lol....

I aint bro.....

I'll be happy when one day u guys will agree that ur a religious group.(An anti-God) group....

Soon u'"ll be having pastors and all of it....hehehehehe

Logicbwoy: Epic ignorance from a fake biologist;




We are losing our wisdom teeth because we are eating more palatable food than our ancstors. We are adapting to our dietary routines

What will mr logic boy not do just to defend evolution??.....

Hmmm

davidylan: Ah the debunked vestigial organ nonsense rearing its head once again? less than 100 yrs ago, fools like you thought the appendix was just as useless as the wisdom teeth. Again an example of an "evidence" in search of a hypothesis.

Lol....

cyrexx: even your religion, which gave you your idea of God, cant do that. Your religion only promise you an imaginative fantasy of blissful unproveable second life. Anybody can promise anything. It doesnt stop death or old age that happens to everybody. Religion only offers an imaginative consolation. Nothing more.

But let me not discourage you, keep believing your God. Since that is what give you comfort and meaning in life.
Best wishes.

Evolution teaches we evolved from an ancestor(so I heard),but can't still find out why we,and our ancestors grow old and die.....

I thought since they are playing god and feeling so right about there theory they shuld find a cure for old age....

Again??why do we grow old??

Can't we keep evolving till forever.??

Why do we degenerate instead of evolving??

Who are christians??

Followers of Christ right??

Oya did christ own slaves or did he engage in any form of profit making through slave trade??

Did early christians buy and sell slaves??

If Jesus didn't,if his apostles didn't then I can boldly tell every hater of true christianity that the churches who engaged in the slave trade saga were all false.....

They are and were pseudo-christians who never followed Jesus foot steps but became un-evenly yoked with d world.......

Those were d same set of false christians who engaged in wars and are still engaging in them till date.......

They are nothing like my master Jesus........

Jesus wuld deny them all when d end comes.....

OLAADEGBU: What do you say about Obama's faith, is he a Christian?

Who is a christian

Then when we Àtheism is fast becoming a religion of its own you all argue......

Na small small sha......

Logicbwoy: You love killing little children and gutting pregnant women

Now have u sat down to ask urself who actually carried out the killing of the samarian women and children??

Go back and find out who did....

Was it God??

Or the assyrians??

Go do some research.......

Remember God just told d samarians what wuld befall them due to there disobedience.....

But who carried out the act??

Logic boy I'm asking you....

So what's ur point as regards HOSEA 13:16?

Logicbwoy: You sound like a muslim defending slavery. "Muhammad sold slave but he was good because he freed some slaves". One good action does not reverse a bad one.
Paul supported sexism by saying that women should be silent in churches. Get over it. He is a sexist

Paul isn't a sexist.....ur mind is what is telling u that..........

Paul told 3 groups of persons to keep silent in 1 corinthians 14.....but because u just wanna find faults with d scriptures(which ofcus is ur aim) u picked up the one addressing women....

For the last time I'ma explain...let's consider a whole lot of things now........

) In order for u to understand this correctly, it is helpful to consider the context of Paul’s counsel.
In 1 Corinthians chapter 14, Paul discussed matters relating to meetings of the Christian congregation. He described what should be discussed at such meetings and recommended how they should be conducted. (1 Corinthians 14:1-6, 26-34) Further, he stressed the objective of Christian gatherings—“that the congregation may receive upbuilding.”—1 Corinthians 14:4, 5, 12, 26.
Paul’s instruction to “keep silent” appears three times in 1 Corinthians chapter 14. Each time, it is addressed to a different group in the congregation, but in all instances, it is given for the same reason—that “all things take place decently and by arrangement.”—1 Corinthians 14:40.
First, Paul said: “If someone speaks in a tongue, let it be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns; and let someone translate. But if there be no translator, let him keep silent in the congregation and speak to himself and to God.” (1 Corinthians 14:27, 28) That did not mean that such a person was never to speak at meetings but that there were times when he should be silent. After all, the objective of the meetings—to upbuild one another—would not be attained if he spoke in a language no one understood.
Second, Paul stated: “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others discern the meaning. But if there is a revelation to another one while sitting there, let the first one keep silent.” This meant, not that the first prophet was to refrain from speaking at meetings, but that he had to be silent at times. Then the one having the miraculous revelation could address the congregation, and the objective of the meeting—that “all be encouraged”—would be achieved.—1 Corinthians 14:26, 29-31.
Third, Paul addressed Christian women only, stating: “Let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak, but let them be in subjection.” (1 Corinthians 14:34) Why did Paul give this command to women? To preserve order in the congregation. He says: “If, then, they want to learn something, let them question their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in a congregation.”—1 Corinthians 14:35.
Perhaps some women were challenging what was said in the congregation. Paul’s counsel helped Christian women to shun such a disorderly spirit and humbly accept their position within Yahweh’s headship arrangement, particularly with regard to their husbands. (1 Corinthians 11:3) In addition, by keeping silent, women would show that they did not aspire to be teachers in the congregation. When he wrote to Timothy, Paul showed that it would be improper for a woman to assume the role of teacher: “I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.”—1 Timothy 2:12.
Does that mean that a Christian woman must never speak during a congregation meeting? No. In Paul’s day, there were occasions when Christian women, perhaps impelled by holy spirit, prayed or prophesied in the congregation. On such occasions, they acknowledged their position by wearing a head covering. (1 Corinthians 11:5) Further, in Paul’s day and today, women along with men are urged to make a public declaration of their hope. (Hebrews 10:23-25)
Hence, Christian women “keep silent” by refraining from trying to assume the role of a male and instruct the congregation. They do not raise argumentative questions that could challenge the authority of those who teach. By fulfilling their proper role in the congregation, Christian women greatly contribute toward an atmosphere of peace in which “all things [at congregation gatherings] take place for upbuilding.”—1 Corinthians 14:26, 33.

Like I always told you, for sanity and orderliness to be maintained respect for headship should be maintained….there is no society or body or parastatal as the case may be that stays closely knit that doesn’t observe the principles of headship…….

Paul respected women a lot even more than u do.........

Delafruita: the reality is there is no sensible explanation.the real fear of christians is this-if these verses are debated with logic,and the message put side by side the present day reality,it will rubbish the claims of the bible been written by inspiration of a god who is all-knowing.if god inspired paul to suppress women and slaves,didnt the all-knowing god know that slavery will one day be abolished and women will hold a conference in beijing and then begin to advocate their own rights?
it will make christians face the reality that paul wrote his epistles based on the prevailing culture of his time and he didnt receive any instruction from the spirit.he simply wrote what he believed was right.
christians cant face this reality so those verses aren't discussed at bible study

Lol....

That scripture is a problem because ur myopic as not to see its real application...

Now can u mention just 1 apostle who oppressed or supressed women....

Did u ever read were paul oppressed women??

Please show me if u got any.......

If u can't understand the principle of headship that fosters orderliness then there's nothing I can do to help u.......

That scripture means women aint suppose to take d lead were men are.......simple!!!!!!!!!!!!

Headship arrangement......

I culd remember quoting 1 corinthains 11:3 to show u what head ship means and how it contributes to peace and orderliness in any institution.......

U sound like one who will not be able to keep a job since u wuld always not respect headship......

I reminded u of Gods admonision to husbands to ""love there wives as there own body"" but u wuld never appreciate that,..u'll rather hang on scriptures which ofcus u have no clear understanding of just to mock God....

I could remember asking sometime ago who the head of ur family shuld be when u do have one........

Oboy I aint no sexist....

Ur view of those scriptures is so much distorted....

Like I said no amount of explanation will make u change ur view....

U hate God and what ever he has to say......

Even when GOD commands that husbands should love there wives like there own body u'll still find some fault with it......

What more can 1 do??

I don die for laugh o.....

Logicboy and olaadegbu...

See pugilism........

Logicbwoy: Really? Explain it!

Again?? Lol...

would it still make sense to u if I start explaining all over again??

If science can bring an end to old age and death then I'll stop believing in God....

I and GOSHEN have and had explained those verses to u a million times but u always stick to ur opinion.......

Its very wrong bro......

Ur lookin @ those verses with a skeptic eye not with an eye that seeks understanding....

OLAADEGBU: The highlighted paragraph above proves Jesus is Deity because God the Father commanded the angels to bow down and worship the Son.

"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him" (Hebrew 1:6).

Angels bow down to Jesus ,Yahweh"s king designate.....

The Word WORSHIP shuld always be considered contextually if not u might get entangled while trying to explain other scriptures......

Please read up matthew 18:26 from the kjv please and other translations.....
Let me quote it..

**King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all
**King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshiped him, saying, Lord, have patience with
me, and I will pay you all.
**American King James Version
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay you all.

Take a look @ other translations bro...

**New International Version (©1984)
"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be
patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay
back everything.'
#**New Living Translation (©2007)
"But the man fell down before his master and
begged him, 'Please, be patient with me, and I
will pay it all.'
**English Standard Version (©2001)
So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him,
‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you
everything.’


the greek word pro·sky·ne′o is what is used both in Hebrews :1:6 & in matthew 18:26....

Ofcus u know that slave mentioned @ matthew 18:26 didn't literally worship d king did he??

The question is when actually shuld we understand the word worship to mean rendering exclusive devotion to Yahweh alone??....and when can we know when worship signifies paying homage,kneeling down b4 a powerful king or prostrating??


Phillipians 2:10 reiterates what it means when angels are to worship Jesus as mentioned @ hebrews 1:6...

There it says in the name of Jesus every knee shall bend both in heaven and on earth(ofcus that excludes Yahweh his Father who elevated him to that poistion..read 1 corinthians 15:27 $ 28)...

My point

Whenever u see the word worship always try to knw what it means....

Since many translators are already trinitarians they always rush to think that when the word worshiped or pro·sky·ne′o is used then it means literally giving worship that belongs to Yahweh to his son Jesus....

Nooooo.....

Context shuld make a wise reader know the exegesis to give and how it applies.....

My brother always remember Jesus's words to satan as recorded @ maTthew 4:10....

GOODNEWS BIBLE

""Then Jesus answered """ GO AWAY satan!!!! The scripture says Worship the LORD your GOD and serve only HIM""""...

My question is which GOD was Jesus telling satan to worship??

Was Jesus telling satan to WORSHIP him??

Which GOD was worship to be directed to ALONE??
If only u can imitate Jesus by saying those same words u would discard the trinity dogma.....

OLAADEGBU: The highlighted paragraph above proves Jesus is Deity because God the Father commanded the angels to bow down and worship the Son.

"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him" (Hebrew 1:6).

Angels bow down to Jesus ,Yahweh"s king designate.....

The Word WORSHIP shuld always be considered contextually if not u might get entangled while trying to explain other scriptures......

Please read up matthew 18:26 from the kjv please and other translations.....
Let me quote it..

**King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all
**King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshiped him, saying, Lord, have patience with
me, and I will pay you all.
**American King James Version
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay you all.

Take a look @ other translations bro...

**New International Version (©1984)
"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be
patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay
back everything.'
#**New Living Translation (©2007)
"But the man fell down before his master and
begged him, 'Please, be patient with me, and I
will pay it all.'
**English Standard Version (©2001)
So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him,
‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you
everything.’


the greek word pro·sky·ne′o is what is used both in Hebrews :1:6 & in matthew 18:26....

Ofcus u know that slave mentioned @ matthew 18:26 didn't literally worship d king did he??

The question is when actually shuld we understand the word worship to mean rendering exclusive devotion to Yahweh alone??....and when can we know when worship signifies paying homage,kneeling down b4 a powerful king or prostrating??


Phillipians 2:10 reiterates what it means when angels are to worship Jesus as mentioned @ hebrews 1:6...

There it says in the name of Jesus every knee shall bend both in heaven and on earth(ofcus that excludes Yahweh his Father who elevated him to that poistion..read 1 corinthians 15:27 $ 28)...

My point

Whenever u see the word worship always try to knw what it means....

Since many translators are already trinitarians they always rush to think that when the word worshiped or pro·sky·ne′o is used then it means literally giving worship that belongs to Yahweh to his son Jesus....

Nooooo.....

Context shuld make a wise reader know the exegesis to give and how it applies.....

My brother always remember Jesus's words to satan as recorded @ maTthew 4:10....

GOODNEWS BIBLE

""Then Jesus answered """ GO AWAY satan!!!! The scripture says Worship the LORD your GOD and serve only HIM""""...

My question is which GOD was Jesus telling satan to worship??

Was Jesus telling satan to WORSHIP him??

Which GOD was worship to be directed to ALONE??
If only u can imitate Jesus by saying those same words u would discard the trinity dogma.....

OLAADEGBU: There is no doubt that God is One, afterall, 1 x 1 x 1 = 1

I thought the equation was 1 + 1 + 1 = 1..??

Has that formula been debunked??


So its now 1 * 1 * 1 = 1..??

So ur also finally drifting to the MODALISM dogma??...SMH!!!

OLAADEGBU: Jesus said it categorically when He responded to the Jews who questioned His authority:

"Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58).

Here you see the most unmistakable claim to the Deity of Christ and the Jews clearly understood what He meant because they proceeded to take up stones to judge what they thought was a blasphemous saying.

What does IAM mean

So when ever some1 uses the phrase I AM then it means God??

Open ya eyes bro.......


Jesus was only proving he had been existing long b4 abraham was born......

I AM is not d name of any person.......

Trinity dogma has made people believe I AM is a name........

Then what was d tetragrammaton for??


Ok let's edit that scripture and say....

""Verily verily I say unto you,before abraham was I AM THAT I AM.""....

Could we fix up I AM THAT I AM in that verse??....

Wuld it make sense??....

Remember d pharisees were wondering how old Jesus could be for him to had known abraham that much.....because they knew Jesus was just a young man.....

Jesus proved that he had been existing long b4 abraham was even born.....


I repeat I AM is nobody's name.....

YAHWEH is d name of the almighty GOD....

Does ur bible have d tetragrammaton @ exodus 3:15

That is why Jesus too could use the expression ""I AM""

Like he'll say I AM the d way,...that no one can come to the Father except d person passes through HIM.....

Jesus as we know is a seperate individual from Yahweh........

I AM used by Jesus shows he's talking about himself and the part he plays in reconciling us to the Father(His Father)........

OLAADEGBU: What does I AM mean?

I AM means an individual under consideration,,,......

I AM is nt an expression limited to GOD..its not somebody's name.....

Remember God didn't want to disclose his name to moses and so he told him. To tell the isrealites that""I AM THAT I AM"" has sent him.....

But ofcus we know I AM THAT I AM isn't a name....that's why moses waited for the very name that lasts forever and Yahweh gave him that name to tell the isrealites.......

And that name is the tetregrammaton that was removed from many bibles....(YHWH)....

Yahweh disclosed his name in verse 15 of exodus chapter 3....

And that tetragrammaton is what appears over 7000 times in d hebrew scriptures......

If we want to tag the word ""I AM"" anytime we see it to mean GOds name then we'll run into some problems(contradictions will arise)....

Read that exodus 3:13-15 and pin point that name that will last forever......


It is also when some1 is asked his name for confirmation and then the person affirmatively answers ""I AM""....
Does that make the person Yahweh??

Let's say I'm interviewing u for a job and after checking up ur CV I now ask you:::
Are u OLAADEGBU?

Ofcus your answer will be ""I AM""...isn't it??


Your personal name is OLAADEGBU while your saying I AM only shows you are the individual under consideration and ur affirming that YOU are YOU not some1 else.........

Logicbwoy: Rock of ages?



Shut up and answer d question!

OfcÙs God can move anything,any rock if he wants to.....