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buzugee: i forget the name of the valley but its a valley somewhere. maybe jehosophat or something. i will check it later. rapture does not mean they are going into the skies. thats roman catholic mythological doctrine. simply means they will be gathered from the four corners of the earth and put in a safe place on earth while the rest of the people on earth get destroyed in the plague. those who come out of the great tribulation will be the wicked who survive. and they will be the first crop of slaves in the kingdom ( yes there is slavery in the kingdom. revelation 13 vs 10, isaiah 14 vs 2, jeremiah 30 vs 16 ). those those who are unfortunate to survive will be the first crops of slaves in the kingdom who will rebuild the kingdom for the saints )

buzugee: you make God out to be this irrational crazy monstrous person who just loves putting plagues and suffering on innocent people. the purpose of the seals and handing the world to the wicked to remove peace from the earth is only so that the rebellious hard headed sinners get refined and tortured and then run back to him

2 esdras 16 vs 19 Behold, famine, and plague, tribulation and anguish, are sent as scourges for amendment.

hosea 5 vs 15[b] I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.[/b]

those 2 reasons above are the technic the lord uses to punish people and bring them back to him. those are the seals. the purpose of which is to refine and purify the rebelliousness out of you. once you are purified and perfect, you do not encounter any more punishment. you are pure now. the lord will put angels over you to protect you from everything in this world
hebrews 1 vs 14[b] Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?[/b]

so once you are purified you get protection and peace ( so long as you stay purified )

so the purpose of intensifying the seals in the last days is to speed up the process of acquiring the quota of people needed to enter the kingdom ( which is one third of the world plus 144,000 sealed men ) which works out to be about 2.5 billion people. so the intensity is increased so more people run in and join the 2.5 billion ( give or take a few ). once that number is achieved, those people will be raptured while the remaining two thirds are destroyed in the 7 year plague.

zechariah 13 vs 8 The LORD declares, "Throughout the land two-thirds will be cut off and die. Yet, one-third will be left in it.

so let me reiterate- if you are undergoing hard and rough times as a believer ? its because you are not purified yet. there are some things you aare doing that are not pleasing to the lord and hence he is purifying you some more. once you get to the level you need to get to ? your torture ends. you have peace and protection and the lord takes care of all your needs.

and that verse about the lord speeding up time for the elect simply means the elect wont be in limbo for a long time. cuz you know when the 7 year plague is going on, they will be in limbo and not in the land of milk and honey yet. the lord trying to get them to the land of milk and honey faster than usual so for their sake he has reduced the torture time for the rebels

buzugee: you make God out to be this irrational crazy monstrous person who just loves putting plagues and suffering on innocent people. the purpose of the seals and handing the world to the wicked to remove peace from the earth is only so that the rebellious hard headed sinners get refined and tortured and then run back to him

2 esdras 16 vs 19 Behold, famine, and plague, tribulation and anguish, are sent as scourges for amendment.

hosea 5 vs 15[b] I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.[/b]

those 2 reasons above are the technic the lord uses to punish people and bring them back to him. those are the seals. the purpose of which is to refine and purify the rebelliousness out of you. once you are purified and perfect, you do not encounter any more punishment. you are pure now. the lord will put angels over you to protect you from everything in this world
hebrews 1 vs 14[b] Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?[/b]

so once you are purified you get protection and peace ( so long as you stay purified )

so the purpose of intensifying the seals in the last days is to speed up the process of acquiring the quota of people needed to enter the kingdom ( which is one third of the world plus 144,000 sealed men ) which works out to be about 2.5 billion people. so the intensity is increased so more people run in and join the 2.5 billion ( give or take a few ). once that number is achieved, those people will be raptured while the remaining two thirds are destroyed in the 7 year plague.

zechariah 13 vs 8 The LORD declares, "Throughout the land two-thirds will be cut off and die. Yet, one-third will be left in it.

so let me reiterate- if you are undergoing hard and rough times as a believer ? its because you are not purified yet. there are some things you aare doing that are not pleasing to the lord and hence he is purifying you some more. once you get to the level you need to get to ? your torture ends. you have peace and protection and the lord takes care of all your needs.

and that verse about the lord speeding up time for the elect simply means the elect wont be in limbo for a long time. cuz you know when the 7 year plague is going on, they will be in limbo and not in the land of milk and honey yet. the lord trying to get them to the land of milk and honey faster than usual so for their sake he has reduced the torture time for the rebels

buzugee: Ijawkid i believe the elect will be protected

LUKE 21 VS 34-36 But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

REV 3 VS 10[b] Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the eaRTH[/b]

logicboy: Statutory award for bereavement = £10,000 - £11,000 http://www.national-accident-helpline.co.uk/accident-claims/fatal-accidents.html

Number of slaves taken from Transatlantic slave trade = 12 million to America http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1523100.stm

I know that you're ignorant and that's why you dont know these things




I am not a catholic but I was for over 2 decades. To try and tell me that I am ignorant about the bible only shows how foolish you are





I know because I am not ignorant of history, especially Nigerian history like you are (shame on you). Arab muslims were taking slaves from West Africa right from time. Furthermore, you need to read more.

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/a/IslamRoleSlavery01.htm




You need to read it again



-A major problem with separation of church and state
-Pastor Happy slaps in public without arrest and conviction for assault. Why did Oyedepo not slap people in UK? Coward!

italo: And I have debunked all of it.



Scatter-brained rant! No thinking!

yamakuza: www.endtime.com
www.countdown.org

i believe the seals and trumpets will be opened/blown after the rapture, (part of the tribulation process) then WW3 or Armageddon.

I understand that true believers will not be part of the above, only those who miss the rapture will. And they will have a tough time surviving till the 2nd coming (is that the right term?) when Christ will rule for 1000 years.

Satan is also to be imprisoned about that time, then let loose again or so, after which is judgment day.

My timeline doesnt seem to agree with us, but thats by the way.

I believe op wants to know what signs will lead up to event 1, and especially if the signs Nigerians allude to are part of them.

What say you?

God2man: 2 Thessalonians 3:1-2 " Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith."
I was watching the TV one day when a Pastor said that a woman entered her counselling room and opened her breast, it was God that delivered this pastor, if not, that may be the end of his ministry.
I would like to say that at least 20 women are ready to sleep with the pastor, if they have the opportunity, they have been commissioned to pull the pastor down and destroy his testimony. Men of God are really walking through a dangerous path, they will pray for the sheep and if they are not careful, they will become spiritual casualties in the hand of their members through s.exual immorality.
That is not all, if you place a whole buliding on the head of one person (that is the head of the General Overseer) the head will misbehave as result of the pressure.
There are So many people waiting in the counselling room for the Pastor, how will he survive? It is not a tea party.
Pastors, Bishop, deacon, General overseers, Apostle, Evangelist need your prayers, it is not out of place to wake up in the midst of the night and say five minutes of intercessory prayers for your Pastor, it will go a long way to help him in the time of storm.
Paul the Apostle said in Roman 15 : 30- 32 " Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus christ's sake, and for the love of the spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;
That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judea; and that my service which i have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;
That i may come unto you with joy by the will of God, and may with you be refreshed."
We can see that when we pray for them we will be refreshed, and the work of God will move forward. If we keep quiet and refuse to pray for them, we are the greatest loser. Why? The name of your church will be ridiculed among the unbeliever, through the failure of your highly esteemed Pastors, shame, disgrace will cover you, the man of God you have been singing his praise will now become an object of mockery in the public, just because we believed that it is not neccesary to pray for our Pastors.
Whenever there is a problem in the church, we should not join the rebellious group and start pointing accusing finger to the Pastor, what we should do is to point that finger to ourselves and cry to God to give our Pastor the enabling grace to become what God had in mind concerning him.
Pastors are human being like us, they may not be right all the time, our responsibilty is to prayerfully go on our knees and intercede for them whenever there is crisis in the church.
The truth is that as long as we are on earth, it will be difficult to find a perfect church.
Managing finances is a child play compare to managing human being, it is even worst when these people are now managing the finances of the church, therefore, whether we like it or not, there will be crisis in the church. It is inevitable. Except they are not preaching the real word of God, but as long as the church is attacking the gate of hell everyday, there will be crisis, that is why the man of God must pray, and the members must also assist in lifting up Holy hands unto the Lord. The Lord will uphold his church in Jesus name.
God bless you. God2man.

buzugee: you damn right genesis 9 vs 6. i dont envy babangida in his next life. didnt he kill dele giwa and vatsa ? he shall recieve his comeuppance

jmoore: In the New Testament, Jesus marveled when a Roman centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career. Many centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character (Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts 10:1; 21:32; 28:16).


Military service was never condemned in the bible. You can still be a christian and serve in the military.

Ptolomeus: All american soldiers go to heaven. A heaven full of beer and prost.itutes that God has prepared especially for them, who are their friends.
They tortured in Guantanamo to apply the law of God ... kill unarmed Iraqi civilians (women and children) on behalf of the peace of God, violate women to bring Christianity to the savages, Cuba blocked for Satan does not spread. Meanwhile, in Africa are dying of hunger ... children
Alleluia!

jmoore: Jesus is the son of God

1-Luke 1:35 "angel answered, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the [size=15pt]"Son of God.""[/size]

2-John 1:34 John the baptist said "I have seen and I testify that this is the [size=15pt]"Son of God.""[/size]

3-Even the demons said so in Matthew 8:29 "What do you want with us, [size=15pt]"Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?""[/size]

4-voice from heaven declaring the son of God in
Luke 3:22 "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved [size=15pt]"Son;"[/size] in thee I am well pleased."

5-Matthew 17:5 "While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved [size=15pt]"Son,"[/size] in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."

6-John 20:28-29, "Thomas answered and said to Him, [size=15pt]""My Lord and my God!"[/size]", Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

7-Matthew 17:33 "And those who were in the boat [size=15pt]"worshiped Him"[/size], saying, “You are certainly a [size=15pt]"God’s Son!”"[/size]
Matthew 28:9 "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and [size=15pt]"worshiped Him."[/size]"
They worshiped him because he is God.

8-John 10:30 "[size=15pt]"I and the Father are one.”"[/size]

9-John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be [size=15pt]"God"[/size]." The Jews wanted to stone him because he said he is God

10-Luke 22:70 "They all asked, "Are you then the [size=15pt]"Son of God?"[/size]" He replied, "You are right in saying I am." and John 19:7 "The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the [size=15pt]"Son of God"[/size]."


11-Even Jesus asked the question to his disciples in Matthew 16:15-17 " He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the [size=15pt]"Son of the living God"[/size].” And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!”

From the words of the apostles
Paul said in Colossians 1:15 "[size=15pt]"He is the image of the invisible God"[/size]..."
John said in John 1:2 "[size=15pt]"He was with God in the beginning"[/size]..."



Jesus is God!!!

Logic Mind: i am now confused.
let me use equations here because you seem confused as well
god = god
jesus = god
believers = god

but god is jesus but not believers.

if all of them equal god, all of them must be the same thing. If not then child of lion = snail.

jmoore: Yes, you are right but you should note that this son of God is unique.

-Jesus was worshiped and deserves worship. Christians are not to be worshiped.

-Jesus as God forgives sin as shown in Luke 7:48 "Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." and Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven.". Only God has the power to forgive our sins.

-The Jews understood Jesus called himself God that's why they killed him

Logic Mind: If I follow your argument, then all believers are god then.

John 1:12

12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God –

If children of lion are lion, then children of god are god. Right?

italo: @ Ijawkid,

Why don't you open another thread to discuss the Trinity?

It seems to me that you just want something negative to say about Catholics, so now that you have seen that men can forgive sins, your jumping to "Trinity"

Ozegbe: so therefore no american soldier will go heaven?

italo: I have given you proof and reason that the Bible is not the final authority; if you have proof that the Bible is the final authority, let us see it.



We were not even talking about whether Mary had other kids or not. We were talking about The Immaculate Conception, but your hatred for Catholicism has made you scatter-brained.



The New Testament was written by Catholics, for Catholics.



But it was a Pope that canonized the Bible. Maybe the Bible, then, is one of the Pope's "presumptuous doctrines."



It is you who has said so.



Then he handed over their mother to John, for him to take her into his home. Jesus knew he had "half brothers?" The ones he sent Mary Magdalene to, then she went to meet his disciples.(John 20:17-18)



The only thing you can prove there from the scriptures is that she got married. The others, you can't prove, so why do you say we don't concede to scripture?

Now concoct another retarded post as you always do.

buzugee: my Bros you have to understand the complexity of writing about the whole world in one book in an era when countries and continents were not named. sometimes you have to give the nations of people singular names and then sometimes you refer to specific people by singular names. almost all the nations in the bible have names of single people. almost all.
for example lots daughter gave birth to moab-this is the chinese
lots other daughter gave birth to ammon-this is the japanese
isaac and his maid gave birth to ishmael-these are the arabs

etc etc etc. the bible is like the world and the different names in it represents the nations and tribes of people, although once in a while someones contribution may be so monumental so that they are actually representing themselves and not a nation of people ( examples will be christ paul noah mary etc etc )

Ubenedictus: again you are confusing issues. Jesus had the power to forgive sin. The apostles recieved to power to 4give sin in the name of God. There is a difference.

buzugee: genesis 25 vs 23 The LORD said to her, "Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger." i guess you would have a problem with the bible calling jacob and esau two nations of people then huh ?

psalms 147 vs 19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord. i guess you will have a problem with the bible calling israel and jacob a nation of people huh ?

buzugee: good question. well if you are 'born again' in the nigerian army, i dont see the problem. nigerian army dont go to war. so its just a job basically. if you are in the american army ? the answer is an emphatic 'no'. simply because the chances of being deployed is extremely high and more than likely you will have to kill someone. and if you kill someone there is no coming back from that.

GENESIS 9 VS 6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

GALATIANS 6 VS 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

NUMBERS 35 VS 33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

italo: You are in contradiction with Heb. 5:12: "For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need SOMEONE to TEACH you again the basic elements of the oracles of God."

The oracles of God do need interpretation afterall... So says the Holy Spirit!



But nothing in Scripture tells us what Scriptures are inspired, what books belong in the Bible, or that Scripture is the final authority on questions concerning the Christian faith. Instead, the Bible says that the Church, not the Scriptures, is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the final arbiter on questions of the Christian faith (Matt. 18:17).

You use 2 Tim. 3:16-17 to prove that the Bible is the sole authority of God's word. But examining these texts disproves your claim. Here, Paul appeals to apostolic tradition right before verse 2 Tim. 3:16-17. Thus, there is an appeal to tradition before there is an appeal to the Scriptures, and you generally ignore this fact.

2 Tim. 3:15 - Paul then appeals to the sacred writings of Scripture referring to the Old Testament Scriptures with which Timothy was raised (not the New Testament which was not even compiled at the time of Paul's teaching). This verse also proves that one can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the New Testament.

2 Tim. 3:16 - this verse says that Scripture is "profitable" for every good work, but not exclusive. The word "profitable" is "ophelimos" in Greek. "Ophelimos" only means useful, which underscores that Scripture is not mandatory or exclusive. You unbiblically argue that profitable means exclusive.



The Bible contains 73 books! But let us leave that matter for now because I can see that you are desperately trying to deviate from the topic of discussion. Let us handle them, one after the other.



*Smiles* I have not even started posting and you are already terrified. Anyway, it is good to see that you accept things that are not found in the Bible as "truth." Since you quoted John Foxe and St. Justin Martyr, let me quote some other early Church fathers.

Origen calls her (Mary) "worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, most complete sanctity, perfect justice, neither deceived by the persuasion of the serpent, nor infected with his poisonous breathings" ("Hom. i in diversa"

Ambrose says "she (Mary) is incorrupt, a virgin immune through grace from every stain of sin."

Do you believe them, or do you just pick and choose quotes from Church fathers that suit you?



I will accept anything in the Bible, but not as the final authority in all matters of doctrine. Unless you can show me where the Bible says we must accept it as the final authority in all matters of doctrine. Last time I checked the Bible said "the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth" but you seem hell-bent on re-writing the Bible. It was not the Bible that created and canonized the Church, it was the other way round, so how can the Bible have authority over the Church?

Logic Mind: This is one of the greatest nonsense i've read on nl. (and nl is full of nonsense)

Ptolomeus: The article is not too intellectual. It is too lengthy, too cumbersome, too repetitive and contains concepts completely wrong.
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is a theological position.

logicboy: Slavery existed in the middle east/Isreak at the time of Jesus. It is very possible that the early christians had slaves. Furthermore, why would Paul tell slaves to obey their masters if christians did not have slaves?

logicboy:

Paul said that slaves should be obedient to their slave masters end of story.

You have tried and failed to remix it but it means what it mean "obey your masters".


Or we can play this game where we deny the meaning of statements


-"Ijawkid is a bastard child and a loser"


-What I really mean is that we are all bastard children of the god and we are all sinners (losers)!!!!!!!!!!

logicboy: Apostle Paul told slaves to obey thier masters. What a douchebag

logicboy: America had those Nuclear weapons for Hitler- Hitler was a mad catholic who killed Jews

America was a country that was still skeptical about teaching Evolution in schools at 1945. Werent the leaders that authorized the Atomic bombing christians? Harry Truman, Roosevelt, Parsons and Tibbet?


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Athiests are not perfect and so are religious people. Religious people are sometimes even worse