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logicboy: See this illiterate, it is America, Iran and Isreal that are warmongering. No need to tell you that it is religious consevatives in those country that are looking for war against infidels

We live in the present and presently, secular countries are the most peaceful

Like I told u peace is relative.....

So wait b4 u start praising ur crazy atheist nations......


We are watching....

I'll remind u when they all start getin mad.....


U wanna exonorate atheists and put all d blame on religion.......??

Sometin must be wrong with ur head.......


I'll remind u of this discussion in times to come

U wanna tell me all d nuclear war heads been produced and weapons of mass destruction been produced were made by religion...............

logicboy: Have you looked at the most peaceful countries in the world? They are secular and have a high amount of atheists compared to the rest of the world.

The least peaceful are very religious.

Would d atheist countries be peaceful forever..??

Peace is relative my brother in dis crazy world..................

I believe russia is gettin prepared for some kinda war.........


I believe they r pre-dominantly. Atheists.......

If he kills for his nation then I wonder if he can be a follower of christ....

Christ won't go to war.....

Not even for d nation of isreal.....

When some1 dies that person ceases to exist......

Everytin about dat person ceases to exist.....

The persons thoughts,memories,etc....


But I believe in d ressurection hope.......

Until then when we die we are conscious of notin @ all......

buzugee: romans 5 vs 12 by one man sin entered into the world ( meaning the first group of people formed are grouped singularly as one man ) and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men ( everyone who will reincarnate from the first group of man formed will have sin passed onto them )and so on and so on and so on and so on. the sin is like a virus, it keeps spreading from generation to generation through the infected reincarnated spirit. several generations of man is classed as men. one generation of man ( the initially formed group ) is classed as man. what does sin cause ? spiritual death or spiritual detachment from the lord. hence the statement 'from one man sin entered into the world and so death passed upon all men.

From ur anology it means each human is like 1 million in one(grouped)....

Now that romans also makes us know that since thru 1 ex-perfect man sin entered into d earth so also thru another perfect man sin was taken away from d world....

Now if adam is a group of people,then what about Jesus

How many Jesus do we have

Was Jesus a group of people?

Buzugee ur anaology doesn't actually ryhme with d creation account....


U gave example of isreal and esau..........

Isreal ofcus was 1 person initially but thru him d nation of isreal was started and instigitated............

Isreal didn't just start as a nation,it started with 1 person named ISREAL of which u know.....


D same with adam...............

Thru adam all humans on earth came.....

Stop this dichotomy theory.....

It won't work,,..........


Just like abraham......

Was abraham a group of people??

What about sarah thru whom isreal did come from??

@buzugee.......

How do we link up ur dichotomy theory with romans 5:12??

How many adams did sin pass thru into d world and to all of us??


One adam or ur 1million in 1 adam

2good: SMH. U need a psychologist!

Abeg just send buzugee to my hospital.......


Lol

I'll take care of his head problem....

Lol

PAGAN 9JA:
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Pagan boy u too funny....

Who be sugar cane now

logicboy: Kai, why does this Ijawkid always want to open my Yansh

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.............


U must answer today.........


Ex-idol worshipper.....

Lmao!!!!!!!!!!lololololol

Logic Mind: one less hypocrite to worry about.

Lol....

U have finally been released from ya cage to torment these pastors....

Lol

italo: @ Ijawkid, listen to your friend, logicboy, who claims he was a "hardcore Catholic for 22yrs" but who is now vehemently opposed to The Catholic Church.



One would think that he would claim he worshipped Mary, even if, only to discredit the Church.

Ask him well again if he didn't bow down to mary's image......

Ask him again.......

Bowing down to a moulded figure .....

That's 1 reason why logic boy ran!!!!!!!.....lol

italo: Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins

John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors to forgive sins.

John 20:22 - the Lord "breathes" on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord "breathes" divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.

John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to "men." Hence, whoever acknowledges that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles' successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?

Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.

Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.

2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance.

James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man's authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess your sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.

Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.

Oh now u guys can come out and say Jesus did give his disciples d authority to forgive sins........I agree with that......


But didn't some1 also give Jesus d authority to forgive sins?

My point?

Normally when I have arguments here on NL as regards d trinity ish,one point trinity apologist give is that Jesus forgave people there sins.......

And that it is only God almighty that has d right to forgive sins and so Jesus is Yahweh or almighty God because he forgave sins.......


Now from ya point even his disciples can forgive sins absolutely(ur priests)))))))


I think ur priests are part of d trinity...

Because there is ressurection.......

We can't have both together.....

Its either one or the other

End time shows that problems and wahala people used to face are getting more and more intense .......

Think of anytin.....

Is it wArss?

Pestilences

Loose conduct....

Earth quakes

These signs are taking place simulteneously and on a grander scale globally such as has not occured.....

And they'll keep intensifying

Sure of this?

Let's wait for winners members to come check on this

italo: @ ijawkid, maybe we should ask your friend, logicboy, to tell us how he worshipped Mary for 22yrs, if he did...

@ logicboy, did you worship Mary for 22years, and how did you do it?

Just keep worshipping her....

You are free to......

She is perfect and flawless....

A virgin forever....

Keep worshipping her...........

Bow down to her image and say the hail mary's until ur mouth bleeds.........

Idolatry shit!!!!!!!!!!!

italo: WHY do you actually bother yourself over anything written in OUR holy book? For you pick and choose conveniently?

Don't mind him.......

They love d book but just won't agree

Lol.....

Logic boy ur so right........


D catholics just wanna make mary perfect so that they can worship her.......

And they are worshipping her.......

Good for them!!

italo: Since you can't keep shut, answer the question I asked you:

How is the Immaculate Conception a heresy, who declared it so and by what authority?

I think d answers to ya heretic questions would be by asking u questions.......


How was mary born

Was. She giving birth to through sex or was her life also transferref to her mothers womb

And then mayb an angel stroled by to tell mary's mum"" look u are going to give birth to a daughter and her name would be called Mary,daughter of God and also mother of God"""


What is immaculate about mary's conception?


I dnt even know why I'm tryin to discuss this issue......

Its so crazy,..................

buzugee: its all alot of assumptions and innuendos and conjectures and hypothesis and opinions in your post. where did you get that Jesus is the new Adam and Mary is the new Eve ? Notwithstanding i still think all these are vain opinions. i have never seen anywhere in the bible where it says that Mary is holy. This is a roman-catholic church concept. Nothing to do with reality. its make-belief. you do know that subscribing to greco-roman religious doctrine is one of the facets of the mark of the beast right ? you do know this is bordering on idolatry right ? placing Mary on a pedestal created by men with seducing spirits is not the way you want to go brah.

Soon we might even be told by italo that mary is sitting @ Yahwehs left hand in d heavens...............

italo: Have all people committed actual sins? Consider a child below the age of reason. By definition he can’t sin, since sinning requires the ability to reason and the ability to intend to sin. This is indicated by Paul later in the letter to the Romans when he speaks of the time when Jacob and Esau were unborn babies as a time when they "had done nothing either good or bad" (Rom. 9:11). 

We also know of another very prominent exception to the rule: Jesus (Heb. 4:15). So if Paul’s statement in Romans 3 includes an exception for the New Adam (Jesus), one may argue that an exception for the New Eve (Mary) can also be made. 

Paul’s comment seems to have one of two meanings. It might be that it refers not to absolutely everyone, but just to the mass of mankind (which means young children and other special cases, like Jesus and Mary, would be excluded without having to be singled out). If not that, then it would mean that everyone, without exception, is subject to original sin, which is true for a young child, for the unborn, even for Mary—but she, though due to be subject to it, was preserved by God from it and its stain.

So mary is d new eve??

Never knew that.........

Mayb soon we'll hear mary died for us too...........

And hung on a cross as well

buzugee: i see you have been released from the pit (BAN) from whence you have been locked down by angel Jesoul. now you have been released for a 1000 years to cause some more havoc on earth ( NL) Typical heathen response

Hehehehehehe

Logic mind is just like satan that will be released after d thousand year reign of christ to tempt d remainin ones thru d four corners of d earth b4 d final annihilation takes place......heheheheheheh


Buzugee ur so damn funny

I never knew he was banned

Image123: Well, you've got a wrong perspective with your friend. Miracles are by the way to God, there are no miracles in Heaven in that sense. Satan does miracles too BTW. What Jesus had in mind is the works of righteousness, and of love(they are interconnected anyway). It's easier for a lame hater of God to be made to walk than for him to be made righteous. Jesus alluded to this fact when it said. Mat 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
God counts forgiveness of sins, and walking in righteousness a greater work than healing miracles or turning water to crude oil. It is man who is not spiritual nut natural/physical that counts the 'magic' he sees as a greater work. The primary purpose of Christ was to save people from sin. And if that purpose is not fulfilled in your life, you are yet a failure whatever else you may receive.
When Jesus was on earth, He was not in the frame to unite His disciples or empower them like after He went to the Father.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
When He went to the Father, then He got us a right, and the Holy Spirit, and sanctification. Then the disciples were united and in one accord. Then they lived without fear of anything, in holiness and in righteousness ALL the days of their lives. That's the greater work God wants to achieve in every life, not the tele-film tricks people think of. It is righteousness and righteous acts that exalt a nation, not free manna, rice donations and miraculous monies in the bank account of MOGs.

Lol

Ur so correct......

Nice explanation.....

When Jesus said greater works he never meant miracles....

He meant works of rigtheousness and also d preaching and disciple making work.......

Jesus preached in jerusalem,but his apostles and early christians and true christians today has preached round d whole world....

Infact it was because of that work that d holy spirit was sent....

italo: You still didn't answer my question:

How is it a heresy? Who declared it so, and by what authority?

Na u sabi.........

U know the answer already................

If ur mistaking a virgin for immaculate conception then u need to re-think.....

Others will give u d answer.........

Since mary is perfect we go soon know

logicboy: Ogboni? Kai, even the name be like murder

Lol......

Fear fear boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol

italo: Tell us how it is a heresy, who declared it so and by what authority.

So italo u mean u'll be asking me such question in this modern age when we all have our bibles handy??


So ur asking frosbel to show u which sin mary commited ba??


I don tire for catholics finally!!!!!

HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U guys just do what u like.....

All so that mary can be fully worshipped................

And as we can see u guys are worshipping her...............

Keep waiting to find out d sin mary commited,until Gods kingdom comes asking u d same question......

Jesus himself will ask u wether mary was immaculately concieved,then I'll know d kinda answer u'll render........

If mary was immaculately concieved then we are all immaculately concieved.......

Hope that is clear?

logicboy: It's not just about getting into poltics. I would be assassinated on the first day of my presidency. The thing is that you have to get a lot of Nigerians to understand that atheists are not devils before attempting to become an elected official

Hehehehehehehehe

Ur afraid of being assasinated

Just join ogboni and u'll be covered......

Lol

That guy is so damn deluded......


When Jesus talked about greater works he meant somethin else not performing miracles.....

Because no pastor,I repeat no pastor has done half of d miracles Jesus performed and will never......

I feel and I know that if an atheist rules nigeria,nigeria would be better of.....

Because I know God doesn't take sides in todays politics.....

Nigeria is so demented because religion has tried to mix with politics.....

Hypocrisy here and there.......

U see a governor steals,rigs election,joins ogboni but still wants to call himself a follower of christ......

Why not choose 1 and leave d other..........

1 can't slave for 2 masters.....

Choose either d world or choose to follow christ completely......


Logicmind and logic boy oya make ona come be president of nigeria.........


Lol

buzugee: well when Paul was on earth the laws that roped in the gentiles was still being written. As such the gentiles were still savages towards the jews. the jews were the slaves at this point under the gentiles. its a self preservation statement. obey your masters so that they dont harm or kill you. its basically 'rendering unto caesar what is caesars' . the jews were in slavery for a good reason, they disobeyed God, and as such they have to do their punishment and penance with dignity. paul may as well have been saying ' take your punishment like a man ' because this is synonymous with ' slaves obey your masters ' the lord put those masters over you for punishment. now you have to serve your punishment diligently. its just as simple as that. he wasnt justyfing slavery. trying to get israel to do their 'jail time' diligently.

Exactly buzugeee..........

Paul must have even been in shackles when he wrote those words.......

Infact like we both agree its Gods people who have been d slaves all along.........

And then paul even went further to help us see reasons why we shuld obey d higher authorities.....

Those words carry d same meaning with slaves obey ur master.....


But ofcus we must obey Yahweh as ruler rather than men........

Balance is all what paul was emphasizing.....

logicboy: There is slavery in the New Testament.

I would like to see you explain why women are to be silent in church and submissive to your 18 year old daughter or niece. Sexist


Why is Jesus a racist

Did the apostles of Jesus ever own slaves?

They were slaves themselves to d romans if u'v forgoten...............

Jesus wasn't racist..............

If not he wouldn't die for all................

His apostles and all 1st century followers of Jesus were nt racist because there master wasn't...........


Like I quoted galatians for u.........

Ur fixation on this slave issue is just too much bro..........lol

Let it go.........

Jesus death has annulled all that.....

If Ù ask mÉ and from the bible its eve Gods people who have being slaves for too long......

In egypt and also all d times they were taken into captivity by enemy nations.............