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Reyginus: If you don't have the answer, shut up and attest to your hypocrisy.

There isn't any hypocrisy and the question has been answered.................the examples of Gods servants in the past has answerd why I use the calender I have today.........smh!!!.......what more do you want??.....start asking yourself and chukwudi if Jesus wsas born on xmas day.....you guys are the hypocrites here......

chukwudi44: I tire for the hypocriteooo.It is okay to use a pagan calendar without adopting their mode of worship but sinful to celebrate Jesus on a day that has enirely nothing to do with paganism(25th dec of the gregorian calendar is not equal to 25th calendar of the julian calendar).

Where in the bible did you even read that the isrealites adopted pagan calendars? Abi u r just assuming.

Ok now tell me even from the julian calender was Jesus born on the proposed date that was snatched for the birth date of Jesus??......if you come out here to tell people that the date you celebrate xmas isn't exactly snatched from pagan sun god worshippers then you would be the greatest liar that ever lived.......

Just stop your ranting and tell us how xmas came about and how the spurious date for Jesus' birth was chosen.......oyAaaaaa........

Reyginus: He's asking a vital question and I'd be happy if you provide us an answer. All these energy would have being re-channelled.

I'm not diverting the discussion.......I just gave an answer with how Gods people in the past viewed the calendar system of there time even before the jewish calender and after..............what should concern you guys is how y'all have scavenged into paganism to pick up a festival claiming its for Christ.............

It is this same chukwudi that will jump up and down like a jelly fish on new years day just like the heathens do who worship the god (Janus).........Janus ,its worshippers and customs are things I've never adopted........but chukwudi and his crew has....

It is this same idolater chukwudi that should be doing much scrutiny........instead he is bringing a lame argument about calenders.......

I don't have to create a new calender just as servants in the past didn't have to change the calender systems they were under.........

chukwudi44: So in effect you are implying the isrealites did use the pagan egyptian and babylonian calendars right? Where did you read that from? I thought you are a bible alone xtian?

It is okay to use a calendar named after pagan gods but sinful to celebrate Jesus birth on a day that merely used to be a pagan holiday! What hypocrisy.

Mind you Dec 25th in the current gregorian calendar is not same with dec 25th in the old julian calender

Ofcus they did...........would they have been using the jewish calender in a heathen land??....

Before the passover feast was instituted and before the isrealites were freed from the hands of the egyptians they were using the calenders of those nations.........but ofcus they never adopted the worship or festivities of the pagans......that is where you ERR....

Now may I ask you here.......was Jesus born on xmas day ??dec 25th?? Or its parallel in the julian calender??..........you heathen!!!!...........

PAGAN 9JA:
^youve not yet given us a proper reply as to why are you using this Pagan calenders with names of PAGAN GODS

I had asked chukwudi which calender or calender system the isrealites use when they were in EGYPt and also when they were vassals in babylon.........

The boy ran away from a very important discussion into calendars........if I ever reply chukwudi here then it means I'm jobless.......

PAGAN 9JA:
I already told you that to be truely Ijaw, you must follow Ijaw Tribal Religion and culture. you are not Ijaw. you are a sheep in wolfskin.

Lol.......I am ijaw...truly IJAW

chukwudi44: In as much as the command to celebrate xmas is not in the bible.There is also no forbiding of its celebration in the bible as well.

What you people are peddling are merely the opinions of your useless watchtower organisation.

This is why I keep having problems with you........

Let me give you the list of persons who aint JW's but have seen the folly of xmas and has abandoned it...
1..Frosbel
2..Plapville
3..Serrialink..
4..Buzugee..
5..Boomark..
6..Honeric..
Etc........
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As an olodo and an idol worshipper all you do is resort to childs play instead of facing reality.................history and the bible debunks that useless mYTH called ""xmas""...............the whole foundation dec25th is a fraud and a LIE...........

PAGAN 9JA:
True Ijaws are Pagan. we have already discussed this fact in another thread before. Ijawkid is Ijaw only in name.

btw brother, are you Igbo?

I'm an IJAW boy/man...I'm from Bayelsa state,BRAss to be specific...........and I aint no pagan.....

chukwudi44: Maybe ijaw kid has invented an ijaw calendar to replace this our 'pagan' calender he should please let us know

The exposure of xmas as a myth is what has made you put up this post.....you're wasting your time bro...........its either you go back to that thread or find something else to do...........

Reyginus: Oga, me sef for like to know o. Abeg help me answer am.

make ona go the other thread.....I dey tire to type....

Logicboy03: Sharaap. Escape tactics.


A thread was made for this topic. Address the topic, coward

As usual of logicboy,,,,,,,,,,...............chukwudi thinks creating new threads which had already been treated will help him justify the lie that Christ was born on dec 25th...........smh!!!!!!.............let him go back to that thread and read.......nonsense..!!!!!.......and you heathen how have you been??....

chukwudi44: I am still waiting for this hypocrites to rationalise the continued use of this 'pagan' calendar

This your mumu question had been answered in the other thread...................it seems you were not paying attention.........

Zikkyy: This is the last comment I will make on this particular issue. The individuals passing the kids are pagans agreed. But it does not make kids pagan items. Replace kids with trees to understand what am saying.

What the various societies use a God created item for is of no relevance to me or you. What matters to God is that you use it for an activity that is acceptable to him. That should be your concern. If you spend time looking at what people use things of nature for you are likely to consider the possibility of migrating to planet Mars.

You are not understanding....definitly the kids aint pagan items,trees planted in the forest aint pagan items...........even humans aint pagan items...but God has commanded us to not copy the ways of pagans and not even to go near them...God has even commanded us to avoid certain humans(humans he created) if we want our worship to be clean...........the issue here is adopting practices of the heathens and not materials created by God...you are the one who has chosen not to understand simple truth.......ofcus everything is created by God,but God gives us the command to have no dealings with pagans and there ways....satan the ruler of this world has definitly stained a lot of things that should have been normal to servants of God...........why on earth do you think God would put down laws and constraints on how we act and how we should worship him??.......you think God is a fool for sending his son to teach us how we should serve him and the customs we should imbibe??.......the apostles were also there to show us the way and lay foundation for true worship..... But here we are battling over a celebration Christ never thought of..........and you instead of following precept upon precept to scrutinize what you engage in you are acting like an ignorant person..I least expected you to drag this topic far.......

The whole foundation of xmas which is december 25th has been known and agreed to be a fraud and a myth but still you push further............like I said earlier ""NA YOU SABI"".....................

Zikkyy: You are not a serious man. Is it in the Catholic encyclopedia I will find that Jesus is not happy. To date Jesus has not told me he is not happy. Where is the lie? You received a call from Jesus and he told you he is not happy with zikkyy? You have claimed Jesus for yourself and probably believe you have sole access. In my book that on its own is wrong.

It is in the catholic encyclopedia that you will find out that the xmas is a farce,a hoax........

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And you have been the one not serious......

I only used scriptures to know that Yahweh and his son are not happy with you and other xmas celebrants.........I'm not speaking of my own initiative.........its obvious Jesus won't be happy with a myth called xmas....thank you....

Zikkyy: You have told me what is real in the world you have created for me. It is not real in my world. I find it difficult reconciling what you accuse me of doing with what I actually do.

Now you again avoid questions. You accused me of carrying over saturnalia activities, I can't find evidence that they had Santa Claus, I can't evidence that they used Xmas tree for saturnalia worship. Mr ijawkid, what exactly did I carry over that is pagan? Tell me. Don't go hiding behind funny excuses.

I'm not going behind funny excuses...............you had dodged the clearest of truths and you are coming here to ask questions that the OP had answered and which you can research since you love being proud about xmas.......like I said I regret ever taking this discussion this far....you already knw xmas is a scam.....Jesus wasn't born on xmas day(dec 25th).....that is enough of evidence for one who loves truth to discard this rubbish celebration called xmas........all your questions can be answered from the catholic encyclopedia and the wikipedia.............go and search out the origin of father xmas and the xmas tree......that shouldn't be hard for you....most importantly search out the origin of dec 25th(the foundation of this whole xmas celebration) as the birthday of Jesus.........do your research and stop this stubbornness..........

TroGunn: Has any of the Christmas lovers on this thread bothered to find out for themselves the origin of the unique Christmas decorations and practices? Am sure you'll find it enlightening. These things are best researched instead of asking others for the information. You owe yourself that much so at least you know why you do what you do, where it came from and how it started.

That's all I've been telling zikky to do but he keeps pushing this discussion further..............I still wonder why we are arguing with persons who had agreed that Jesus wasn't born on xmas day ................

Zikkyy: Lol! you are a clown. My reason for doing what I do is not acceptable. You had to come up with a reason on my behalf and force me to accept it. That way you are able to call me an idol worshipper smh...

When you follow the ways of pagans that is what you get.............keep collaborating with persons who had no job but to scavenge from the waste bin(pagan world) to pick up a celebration for Jesus that isn't even accepted and instituted by Christ himself..........

You had in the beginning agreed Christ was never born on xmas day,...that alone is enough reason for me not to take you serious on this xmas issue......you see truth and you run far away from it....to gain what??.......to wallow In presumptuousness ..........

Zikkyy: Kids are from God, does passing them through fire make the kids pagan? If not, Xmas tree cannot be pagan because pagans used it sometime back knowing Xmas tree is also from God.

The individuals passing the kids through fire are the heathens...............same goes for individuals who use trees in religiuos festivals which the xmas starters adopted......if you haven't gotten this point I have to keep SMH!!!!!..............the use of the xmas tree didn't fall from heaven,,,it had a start...what prompted the start and its usage in religious festivals is what we are considering...........

Zikkyy: Who told you God is angry? This again is your personal opinion. I can confirm to you that God is truly happy with me.

Its not my personal opinion its what it is...........Jesus can't be happy with you for celebrating xmas....its a myth and a lie..........Jesus wasn't born on xmas day and xmas had its origin from pagan celebrations.......have you not been listenening??........Jesus and his Father can't be glossed with LIE's and paganism........go and read the catholic encyclopedia and find out the truth.....

Zikkyy: You create a reason for my actions so you can tell me you version of the truth. I asked you earlier, please tell me if the saturnalia worshippers I copied Xmas had Santa Claus and used Xmas tree on their saturnalia worship? You can't come here accusing me of copying saturnalia way of worship and yet refuse to confirm if the activities you accused me of copying are actually saturnalia activities. Please confirm if Xmas tree and Santa are saturnalia activities.

I didn't create a reason for you,I just told you what is real..........now you are asking questions which plapville had discussed at the beginning of this post.......go to the encyclopedia and read about yuletide,saturlania........etc........I'm done moving in circles with you..........go and trace your celebration from the fathers of it......because I'm so sure you won't see it in the bible or from servants of God....oya go do research......if you've chosen to dodge reality na you sabi..........

Rich4god: How do you know its for pagan to surface and rule... Are you the pagan that wants to surface?

The evidence is evrywhere..if you're not seeing it then you need glasses..........

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Zikkyy: You talking but not saying anything. I ask you again, was the kids the issue or was it what they used the kids for? God will not be angry if I have an Xmas tree at home. He made and I can put it anywhere I like in my house just like any other plant. Don't you know our native/witch doctors use almost all the herbs/plants available for their medicine including the one you use to cook that spicy vegetable soup you love. Can you then say, its pagan and we should do away with the vegetables?

Kids are from God...but the baal worshippers passed them through the fire in worship of baal......servants of God adopted and did same and faced Jahs wrath.......same goes for your lovely pagan xmas tree..............


....you are running away from the fact bro...its already out............God is definitly angry when you have an xmas tree that was excerpted from pagan ways.....don't you get it??..............the only reason why you have a tree in your house alongside a Father xmas moulding or painting by december is because of xmas and you have learnt so far how it came about......can't you for once on this thread see the truth??.............
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Do not photocopy the ways of the heathens...has those words from Jah ever made any sense to you??.....
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Zikkyy: So your is not that I use the Xmas tree but how I use it abi? So if I hang Xmas tree in June, it is paganism abi? smh..

Secondly, you have not told me how I worship with the Xmas tree. You are only saying I hang Xmas tree in my house during Xmas.

Thirdly, the pagans you claimed I copied Xmas from (saturnalia worshippers), did they use Xmas tree in their saturnalia worship?

Four, do you know how an Xmas tree would look like in dry season?

I am only telling you that the reason why you have that xmas tree hanging in your house is because of the pagans you copied my bro.....haven't you still understood this simple truth.....would have you have had any dealing with decorated trees in your house if not for xmas and the pagans it was borrowed from??...................say the truth and let's move on.............
My post is about the xmas tree,your use of it and everything associated with it..........it has nothing to do with Jesus.........you guys claim the reason for the season is Jesus,but na lie....the reason for the season is for paganism to surface and rule..........

Go back to your history and see persons who made it there custom and invented the use of decorated trees in festivity.........you have the encyclopedia..do some research......
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The xmas trees you even have now are syntethic(so they'll be green in dry season) and used solely for the purpose of xmas........

You should have asked yourself what is the significance of the xmas tree..........ask yourself that question and do some research.........the xmas tree is not just a flower decoration,it symbolizes something.....do research bro.....

Zikkyy: Sorry, na grammar error. You have listed what I use but you have not told me how I use it. That was my question. I would like to know how I worship with the Xmas tree, giving of gifts e.t.c

Do you use the xmas tree other times apart from the xmas celebration??........do you hang the xmas tree as decoration through out the year in your house or only during xmas season??......I want to really show you that you are following the script of pagans which the use of the xmas tree was gotten from..........

Zikkyy: You failed to see my point that's why you are making unnecessary posts. God was angry that Baal worshippers were passing their kids through fire abi? Did God say the Jews should not have kids because the pagans have kids? NO! So the issue was not with the material used but how it was used. Do Jews take their kids to temple for one form of dedication or another? God made everything for use. He did not say don't make use of the plant we call the Christmas tree.

Nope.....customs of pagans is the bane here......passing kids through fire was a pagan practice.............while trees were created by God,pagans using it for there form of worship outside Gods commandments and later adopted by servants of His is what is wrong...........God created sex,egbo,marijuana etc..........but God himself being our creator has the authority to tell us how we should go about the use of his products.........

Why on earth do you think God would tell the isrealites not to copy the ways of worship of the pagans??why zikky??......is it not God who also created the pagans??..........

You have asked these questions for too long and answers have been given..............

Zikkyy: How am I using the Xmas tree that makes it offensive to God?

Smh!!!!!!!!......I just dey imagine say I dey the same place with you as you dey ask this question....walahi we for fight small....lol......

Zikkyy: Can you please tell me what I use to worship God today or during Xmas that is copied for pagan worshippers and not allowed in Christianity?

But why u dey ask the same question over and over again??.......zikky no make us fight gidigbo o.......

true2god: Guy u sum it up. They see no + side of tins at all, only -. There is no scriptural evidence dat xmas should be celebrated or not. 'Paganization' of xmas is a product of personal judgement without any scriptural evidence dat supports otherwise or not.

Did Russel celebrate xmas during his time or not? Wil he be resurrected or not (this question is for papville)?

Seems if you haven't mentioned russel you never get satisfied.................

So it is now if russel celebrated xmas or not and if he'll be ressurected??...........

Zikkyy: I think people just want to talk for the fun of it. Christians and pagans live in the same world. God made everything for our use. It is not the use of materials that makes one pagan, it is how you use it. I.e is it used to worship Satan? is it used in a manner God dislikes? God made the trees for our use, should we now destroy or remove every trace of the Christmas tree from the planet because pagans used it? While Jews were giving bulls as burnt offerings to God, pagans were burning their bulls to Baal. Who owns the material for sacrifice, Jews or pagans?

Bulls,sheep,turtle doves etc were animals used for sacrifice by the command of Yahweh........blood was needed for cleansing........God gave specific "commands" to the isrealites on how to carry out there sacrifices.............while the baal worshippers also used animals in there sacrifices,God gave his servants specifics so that the isrealites never snatched baal's pattern of worship or offering sacrifices....abraham and faithful patriarchs of old have always offered burnt offerings to Yahweh even before the priesthood came into order and also before pagans started using animals for sacrifice...........besides blood was a requirement for sacrifices to take place.......the isrealites never stole or copied baals form of worship or observances........but you are doing the opposite.........

How you try to compare this with the use of xmas tree makes me smh for you zikky..........the problem you are still having is that unlike the isrealites that were given straight commands from Yahweh,you adopted and snatched the pagans way of festivity...something that would have led to your death if you existed in the times of the isrealites....... The adoption of pagan ways is what has led to the xmas tree you're using.........and God right now is very angry with you............read trogunns comment and get the sense of this whole discussion....



Baal worshippers were passing there kids through fire......how do you think Yahweh felt when ahaz and the wicked kings of isreal practiced exactly the same customs as did the baal worshippers who passed there kids through fire..??...I believe Yahweh smiled and was happy with them??right??......

My brother presumptuousness has never been a virtue of faithful servants of God most especially when it comes to things pertaining to our worship and with pagan practices............

Rich4god: Plz give me a break and think maturedly. On my birthday... I wake up in the morning, given God thanks and praise for having preserve for the past one year, knowing fully well that some of my mate might have died along the year. At the evening time, i organize a mini reception for my friends to join me in thanking God for what he has done for me. Now, point out what is pagan about me celebration or where did i raise/celebrate myself to the status of a god.

How would you know??...when you failed to read history.......................

Zikkyy: the personal opinion of the man that founded Jehovah Witness organization.

Zikky what is this??..........

If there are aCcounts of servants of God that celebrated there birthdays can you quietly show plapville rather than make comments like the above??.............

Several biblical reasons has been given why no Servant of God starting from abel to the apostles observed there own birthdays let alone the birthdays of others(work of an aproko)....lol......instead of you to seriously ponder upon such salient truth you dey write that thing you write............

Plapville has been correct and will always be..........