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 Christianity Etc › Re: Rccg Holy Ghost Congress 2011 Tagged "A New Thing" by Image123(m): 8:21am On Oct 29, 2012 |
musKeeto: You still remain irrelevant. Trolling isn't the solution. yes I am ungodly, but i didn't slip, i jumped in open eyed into the light...wow the thing pain you v.well, sorry ehn. Jesus can save you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 7:08am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Logicboy03: I knowdo you know that you are the prodigal son depicted in the story? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rccg Holy Ghost Congress 2011 Tagged "A New Thing" by Image123(m): 11:31pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
musKeeto: wow...I've come a long way since this thread.. thank God..the ungodly who slipped open eyed into blindness. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 11:18pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
Logicboy03: The prodigal son is a great story. There is no joy like getting something of value that you lost back again.so far so good. Do you know that God is the father depicted in the story? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 5:18pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
Logicboy03: And the people shouting "FAITH + WORKS" on that thread and ddiagreeing with my comment were saying that the Samaritan would go to heaven?I don't practice Judaism and I didn't read your thread. now shut it already on the Samaritan. what are your views on the parable of the prodigal son? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Born Again Christian Be Psychic / What Does Jesus Say About Psychics? by Image123(m): 10:55am On Oct 28, 2012 |
psychic abilities have to do with man's spirit. If you have a spirit gift or physical gift or a mental gift, submit it to God. let God use you. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 10:32am On Oct 28, 2012 |
^ I'm trying to have a discussion here, don't look forward to my replying you and co at least for now. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 10:04am On Oct 28, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Lies. Most of your christian brothers on NL say so.do you even know the meaning of a lie? I have not MET those that condemn the Samaritan. The post you quoted is a question? The Samaritans were not atheists, they believed in the God of Jacob and worshipped. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 11:02pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
Finally!Really? i've never met anyone who condemned the samaritan to hell. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 11:01pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
@Image123, I think I have now had my fill of aimless argument. Let us discuss.What is man? Man is created in the image of God. He is made a little lower than God. Made with spirit, soul and body. When man dies, he is separated i.e his spirit, soul and body are separated. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. The passage tells us of the possibility of killing the body without killing the soul. When a man dies, the body dies and is separated from the soul and spirit. If the soul that sinneth will really die, what happens to the soul that did not sin? When any man dies, their body goes down to the dust, it rots. But the spirit and the soul go to another place. When Jesus died, He had to give up His spirit. Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. His Spirit went into God's hands but His body went to the grave. i'm trying to settle this point of separation before moving on. If you have been near someone about to die, say in the hospital, you may have better experience of what is being said. The spirit and the soul leave the body when someone dies. Recall the story of the dry bones in Ezekiel. Or better still, consider the below. Jdg 15:19 But God cleaved a hollow place that was in the jaw, and there came water therefrom; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived: wherefore he called the name thereof En-hakkore, which is in Lehi unto this day. This experience is common with people about to die, or women in labour. You can almost visibly see them 'going'. 1Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. The soul of the child came into him again. The soul had left the body when the child died. this thing is a real life commonsense experience. Thank God, it's even recorded in scriptures, else some people no go accept. Even though its something That been said, the Resurrection is a future event. At the resurrection, spirit, soul and body will be re-joined together. At the resurrection however, the body will be a spiritual body, not dust or physical body. They become as the angels. Angels have a spiritual body, both good and evil angels. Satan has a spiritual body. Saints and sinners will be resurrected. The saints resurrection is termed the first resurrection. Jesus is the first to be resurrected. He was not just raised from the dead like Lazarus or Jarius' daughter, He was resurrected. Notice again in the passages below that the two parties of saints and sinners will be resurrected. Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. That established, what happens to man between death and the resurrection? Like has been shown, during death, man is separated. Man's soul is the core, that's where his will and decision is. That is also where he experiences joy and sadness, it is the seat of emotions, it is the part of man that can best experience comfort or torment. When man dies, we say he is dead. God says he is sleeping or resting. The Bible reveals to us that there are varying degrees of this sleep or rest. Just like there are varying degrees of sleep, like a deep sleep and a light sleep, and one can have a good night rest. Not every man has a good rest. Sinners do not have a good rest, unlike believers. Believers enter into rest in the arms of Jesus. Believers sleep in Jesus when they die, 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Paul said "2Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Believers rest in Christ when they die. Their sleep is not troubled but a place of rest. There is no such peace for the wicked. Paul called the dead believer's condition as a place to be desired, a position which is far better. Not which will be far better, but which is far better. If the dead stat of the believer was empty, it would then be better for Paul to be here on earth until the resurrection. The place of rest or sleep is a place of consciousness as evidenced by the Revelations 6 passage and the passage of the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. It should be observed that the souls of this set of dead saints were not yet resurrected, yet they could speak to God and hear from Him. They were not unaware or without sense. Also, they could rest as they were told to. It is also obseved from the rich man and Lazarus that they can hear, speak and see, thirst and rest. Ecclesiastes presents us with the state of two dead people. Ecc 6:5 Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other. A baby and a man are contrasted after death. It is said that the baby HAS more rest than the man. Note that the tense is continuous, not past. Else, it may have read that 'this had more rest than the other'. All the dead are not all in the same state or even place. There is evidently a place of torment OUTSIDE the lake of fire or the grave. The devils know this. Compare the scriptures below. 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Luk 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep. Luk 8:32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 5:49pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
[quote author=Mr_Anony]@Image123, I think I have now had my fill of aimless argument. Let us discuss. What happens to man after he dies?[/quote]hehehehehe no ni only you. Thank God, i almost vomitted a couple of times oh. so much drama. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Definition Of Faith by Image123(m): 4:56pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
a very important addition is that faith is NOW. it has to be NOW. Your last week or last year's faith is not too useful. Walk in faith always. Now the just shall live by faith. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 3:42pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
davidylan: I firmly believe that the many of the parables alluded to real events that had taken place at some point in jewish history. Its like me trying to convey a point, my allegories are more likely to come from events that both myself and my listener would be fairly conversant with so as to help pass across the point a lot better.I'm of the same conviction. I find all the parables to be very much repeatedly possible events. if Jesus says a certain man had two sons, I'm of the thought that a certain man really had two sons, even if that certain man may have occurred 300years before in another continent. I think Jesus had an amazing repertoire to pull from. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 3:35pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
Logicboy03: I'm an atheist but the good Samaritan was EPIC. That was a good story. Unfortunately, the good Samaritan will end up in hell according to most christian preachers todaywell I'm not sure of that, but no one is in top position to say that except Jesus. The Samaritan is commendable. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 3:34pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
Logicboy03: I'm an atheist but the good Samaritan was EPIC. That was a good story. Unfortunately, the good Samaritan will end up in hell according to most christian preachers today |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 11:10pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
No you are the confused one.........if you can't comprehend what the term ""ressurection"" means irrespective of wether its first or second.......One advice, please read through this whole post first before your attempt to reply, thanks. Your point is not scriptural. Paul said, Phi 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. maybe not for you, but for me also, to die is gain. He said Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: He knew that when he died, he would be with Christ. Christ is not in the grave. he spoke of other believers who are with Christ, 2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Believers are sleeping IN Jesus, not in the grave. Now can you please compare daniel 12:2 and john 5:28-29??if you truly bothered to read my posts instead of going on a monologue, you'd have observed that i'm not saying anything contrary to the resurrection. To help you, the bone of contention is that physically dead people are conscious. i've not said that they have resurrected. i've said that their activities are limited as they are in a state of rest(i.e the saints), but they are not unconscious. Who says a person's soul cannot exist outside his body? Any scripture that says that? As far as we know, i have provided a scripture that states souls existing outside the body. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Notice the bolded phrases, and also notice that 'souls' and 'blood' are distinctly used in the passage, not equaled. Observe what later happens to this souls below, they are resurrected. the resurrection would involve the joining of the body to the soul.The souls existed outside their body, that's why they needed a resurrection. the resurrection joins them, death separates. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Its good you are saying from your understanding!!!!.....and your understanding is warped completely from the bibles point of view.......you're such a nitpicker. What are you posting from, from your misunderstanding? Here is what Ecclesiastes tells us. Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Ecclesiastes mentions the spirit and the body(dust) going different directions, did you miss that yet again?. It doesn't mention the soul. The passage provides no viewpoint on the soul's destination. Looking cummulatively at the scriptures, we can easily learn that the soul of the saints go to where is called in Revelations as 'under the altar'. This is not my idea but scripture. You are the one trying to reinterprete the scriptures given to fit your misunderstandings. if I may ask you where does the spirit go up to??to NASA or some astronauts up there in outer space??Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. there you go again twisting plain scriptures to fit into your pagan belief.......solomon says all spirits regardless of whose(bad or good) spirit goes back to the source(God)...now what is that spirit??How is the statement a twist? Here is the statement again, from my understanding, man is a living soul essentially. So, when he dies, his body(all bodies) go down, his spirit(all spirits) go up you have english troubles if you think the statement is different in meaning from Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Which BTW was a question, hence the needed phrase, from my understanding. .you also said the soul either goes to the altar and then you equally aFrom studying the totality of scriptures, the lessons learnt show where the dead saints go to. The Bible teaches in different books and chapters that dead saints are sleeping in Jesus, under the altar, in paradise etc. We either say this passages are contradictory or understand that these passages refer to the same place in different descriptions. It is not uncommon of scriptures to describe a noun in different ways. The kingdom of heaven is described in different ways. God is described in different ways. Same goes for Jesus, The Scripture, the Holy Spirit, and same goes for the abode of dead saints. I said it twice already, why do you falsely say that i am not certain? Even after learning that the word"" Hell"" is grave you are still holding on to the false notion of it because as I can see your life depends on it.....Another proof that you have not bothered to listen to me, or read what i'm posting. You're more interested in a monologue, or milder still, a debate and not a discussion. i have explained earlier that the word 'hell' refers to different things in the Bible. Just like heaven refers to different things in the Bible. the context would help to know whether heaven is talking about our sky or whee God is. Hell may refer to the lake of fire, it may also refer to the grave/coffin. Jesus referred to hell, the place of judgement in His speeches. That is where the devil will be thrown in later. This hell/lake of fire is not where Jesus went when He died. he went to the grave. Nobody is in the lake of fire yet. The angels that sinned are not in the grave. they are not in the lake of fire yet, they are waiting for that. But they are somewhere that the Bible also refers to as hell. 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;. Hell is not strictly the grave/coffin. you need to learn to read and study and understand scriptures cummulatively, not selectively. And again if these souls run to heaven or hell before they are eventually ressurected of what use is the word ressurection??God would be wasting his time ressurecting persons who by default according to you and your cohorts are in either heaven or Hell fire already imme.diately afte.r death..........I've explained this already in this post if you're interested in understanding. BTW, you don't have to lie on me, or assume on my behalf. Now I know you got a very big problem understanding scriptures........Yet another proof that you've not been reading my posts, just eager to rebut. i've earlier quoted Ecclesiastes 6v3-6 and commented on it. You may care to back read. i brought up the key verse again to re-state the reality of a proportional rest. Your stance is that all the dead(saints and sinners) are in an equal state of unconsciousness. The verse shows that one has MORE rest than the other. The sinner cannot enjoy the rest promised by Jesus Christ. Try to get the basic point first on the reality of different levels of rest. Also notice the other scriptures posted tandem that show that saints are rest[/b]ing. You are once again quoting a parable as a real life event.....when would you actually wake up to the fact that it was a parable??....i have the right as a christian to quote from any scripture, you do not hold the copyrights. If you were sober enough, you will see that i LIKENED the saints to lazarus in the story of the rich man and lazarus. Ever heard of a simile before? iguessnot. Ever seen/read Jesus liken things before? (e.g Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven [b]is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son. ) and other numerous alikes. Focus on the point, not on the parable argument mr. Are we to delete the passage from our Bible now or what? Any mention or suggestion about the narrative, and all you churn out is that is a parable, like a parable is a sin or abomination. Again listen carefully, The scripture teaches that dead saints have ability to receive good things, take robes, speak to God, and be sent on cameos as it were. They are in a better state than any living saint. i don't think to be 'dead and unconscious' is a better state than the potential and ability to do greater works than Jesus on earth. Don't tell us again that they are dead and unconscious, why build a doctrine on one misinterpreted and misunderstood verse in the old testament? Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Now let me ask you:::::: had Jesus been raised from the earth when that incident recorded in matthew 27:52-53 occured??Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Joh 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die. Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Make your conclusions. Image123 for you to make this statement """""Actually, the fact Christ was trying to pass across was that His authority supercedes others because He had come from heaven unlike other men who had not been there. he wasn't teaching on where men go to when they die""""" shows that you are a hater of truths and a lover of human traditions and lies ..Can you prove this? Is there anything false about those statements? Does Jesus' authority supercede others? Did Jesus come from Heaven? Was Jesus teaching about the destination of man when he dies, in that passage? Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. For you to refute Jesus' clear statement in john 3:13 is what might make me truncate this discussion I'm having with you...if Jesus said before I came to the earth from heaven I never saw anybody ascend to the heavens, why can't you just believe Him.......except you are insinuating that Jesus didn't check the heavens very well before his descension to the earth.......Fortunately for us, Jesus did not say the boldened. The boldened contradict other scriptures. Jesus said many things which should not be taken literally when other scriptures are considered CUMMULATIVELY. He said stuff such as, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and His disciples. They came with a message from on His passion for Him and for His disciples. Elijah was taken to Heaven. 2Ki 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. 2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. It seems you still haven't come to the reality that Jesus is the first born from the dead.......the more you push that moses ,elijah and all faithful partriarchs are in heaven and not in there graves the more you are negating Jesus as the first born from the dead.........Jesus raised many dead folks before He Himself was raised from the dead. Being the firstborn from the dead has to do with His resurrection. Resurrection involves the joiningg of the spirit, soul and body separated by death, in this case, never to die again. The dead saints are not yet joined together spirit, soul and body. They do not yet have a spiritual BODY. This is different from them being conscious, or being in heaven(under the altar, paradise, asleep in Jesus who is IN HEAVEN). I believe you did read about the ""transfiguration""....and a transfiguration it was........nothing more nothing less....continue to re-read john 3:13 until you balance your beliefs with the scriptures.....Who was transfigured again sef? Staying. Under an altÀr is not synonymous to paradise.........there souls(blood) being under that §ymbolic or figurative altar shows that those matyrs died a sacrificial death.....I had pointed out this trÙth that corresponds with the ancient temple in Jerusalem.......but you would rather hold on to believe that the blood of those saints are infact the saints themselves in paradise,,,,,So why does the Spirit of God use the two words 'soul' and 'blood' in the same passage, if He meant them as the same thing? Why do this 'bloods' get to reign a thousand years? Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? In the ijawk version/translation, remember to write it as the below ehn! And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the bloods of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? OR And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our soul on them that dwell on the earth? Look at this again. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. You fit put blood for your own Bible wey you wan write ehn! I would like to ask you one good question::::And what is the relevance of this question again? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 8:40pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Logicboy03: A parable doesnt have to be real. Parables are mostly stories used to explain a point.What do you then think of Jesus' parables? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Solved by Image123(m): 8:40pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
pastormustwacc: ^^Try contribute to the thread o.Try and read all my posts on this thread, i've addressed your thread there. Thanks https://www.nairaland.com/1079884/wrath-god-discussion-hell-strictly/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Solved by Image123(m): 5:57pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
pastormustwacc: From this thread i think Why Do Sinners Immediately Go To Hell, But Satan And Demons Are Not There Yet ?oh no wonder! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Triquetra by Image123(m): 4:54pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
many have used Mary for different purposes and art forms and as the queen of heaven. same goes for the cross and crucifix and Jesus. All the abuse and distractions take nothing from the fact and truths about Jesus or Mary or the Trinity. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Evidence To Show That Satan Exist. by Image123(m): 1:58am On Oct 26, 2012 |
no feedback, m&m. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 1:05am On Oct 26, 2012 |
i've seen a lot of folks look down on some part of scripture, saying, that's just a parable? Is a parable useless, is a parable untrue? Jesus is said to be the Truth, and full of grace and truth(John 1v14,17). Is it then possible that He told lies in His parables? Jesus was known for many parables. He often spoke in parables. I look at ALL the parables of Jesus, and i find nothing out of the ordinary in them. By that, i mean there is nothing fantastic or impossible in them. All His parables are things that can happen regularly, repeatedly, and in any given part of the world or age. But i find it a big surprise that the story of the rich man and lazarus is often thought if as impossible. I strongly believe that everything Jesus said in parable must have happened somewhere sometime. This is a strong possibility. i hold this position for different reasons but i will mention two. First reason being that Jesus will not lie. if He says a certain man or a certain woman, or verily, i believe it happened. Secondly, i see preachers and teachers who are vastly experienced, who give instances and stories to illustrate and teach a point/truth/lesson. How much more Jesus who has all knowledge and knows all things, to be able to bring out the story of an event that happened. What do you guys think of Jesus' parables? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 12:41am On Oct 26, 2012 |
Man is not a separate body , spirit and soul.What is wrong with you, can't you read? Again, you are going to detract issues, as i know that you will only take some insignificant something/phrase from this post, twist it, and leave other parts ignored and unattended to. And then, i answer that and you take another fraction, and another. At the end, you're ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Try to learn. Man is not a separate body , spirit and soul. Who has made a contrary statement apart from maybe you? I said and i repeat, when a man dies, his spirit, soul and body are separated. Man is either a soul when the breath ( spirit ) of God is in himMan is man. he can be referred to as any while alive. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. Psa 78:39 For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again. God can refer to man as a soul. He can also refer to him as flesh or body. Man is not essentially spiritual. His spirit is 'dead' if you can understand that, until salvation.(Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins). One would hardly see man referred to as spirit unlike soul or flesh which is common. But if any man be in Christ, he becomes a new creature. he is born of spirit, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit, if you would have it. there is a lot of exhortation for believers to follow the line, walk as a spiritual person etc. So man is not just a soul, he is made up of spirit,soul and body. or a body when the breath ( spirit ) of GOD leaves him !Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Man is not just a body when he dies. If the soul that sinneth will die, what happens to the soul that is a saint's? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Okay For Christian To Eat Salah Meat? by Image123(m): 12:09am On Oct 26, 2012 |
0773H: Acts 15:28-29 NLTI won't call it a blind eye, but rather a clear exposition, that very much leans on the 'don't eat' side. Read the whole book too for good measure. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Solved by Image123(m): 12:00am On Oct 26, 2012 |
frosbel: So MAN made of flesh and bones is already suffering the torment of blazing fire , while the demons are free to roam about unscathed with their master satan ?And from what are you basing this your conclusions? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 11:57pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
@ijawk The problem you are having right now is that you are just confused......You seem to be the confused fellow. It is the Bible that talks of a first resurrection, not me. If resurrection is resurrection, the Spirit of God will not classify it differently. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. If the saints are not ressurected they have no business leaving there graves to strole in the heavens.......Nobody mentioned a 'strole' in the heavens, except of course you and your fellows. The spirit that goes back to God after ones death,is the ""breathe of life"".....You're in a monologue here right? i don't recall any conversation between me and you on definition of spirits or anything of such. Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? from my understanding, man is a living soul essentially. So, when he dies, his body(all bodies) go down, his spirit(all spirits) go up, he the soul goes to heaven(paradise, under the altar, abraham's bosom) or to hell(a place of darkness and torment). Abraham and co are all dead and unconscious as we speak......i have reasons to disagree. Reasons like Enoch, Abraham, Moses and Elijah. they are not unconscious but in a position of rest. And like Solomon said, there are varying proportions of rest. Sinners and saints are not enjoying equal rest. Dead people do not have the same level of rest. Ecc 6:5 Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other. Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Heb 4:11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. these are all scriptures that you need to go and digest cummulatively, instead of your usual cherry pick style of making scriptures to conform to your ideas. Study scriptures, and learn to rightly divide them. Scripture is complete. Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. All dead saints, just like Lazarus Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: God is a God of the living in the sense that he ressurects all those who were faithful to Him back to life.....ressurection is the reason why God is called the God of the living,not because when we die our spirits start running around the place.........get that pagan supersticious belief off your system..........Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. The Bible doesn't say like you that God will be the God of the living. No, it says God is the God of the living. i never mentioned 'spirits running around the place', dunno where you get that idea from, maybe frosb. Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Now, this is controversial and unpopular, but i'll advise that you take that statement and its likes in the context of living men. Actually, the fact Christ was trying to pass across was that His authority supercedes others because He had come from heaven unlike other men who had not been there. he wasn't teaching on where men go to when they die. Obviously, Moses and Elijah later appeared to Jesus and spoke to Him of what He was to face. These are faithful patriachs that are not in their graves but in glory. And I can see how you skillfully dodged the pertinent question I asked....i answered your question as clearly as i could. i even gave other examples to help you, you may re-read it if you please. here though was the direct answer i gave, i find nothing shaky in it. if you so need the definition, you may open another thread. I have already stated that paradise, abraham's bosom, under the altar, sleeping in Jesus are all phrases used to describe the state of dead believers. They are all the same thing expressed in different names to show us a more thorough view. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wrath Of God: Discussion About Hell - Strictly Christians Only by Image123(m): 10:33pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
@frosb All 'spirits' go up , returning to GOD !I'm glad this is all you could manage as an 'attack' on my posts given your antecedents. It's a symbol that your questions have been answered, and a cue for you to run away/flee like the devil to open new threads on the same subject. At least the non-lazy will see your ostrichcity, and won't conclude that you are saying the truth just because we are not following you up and down to re-answer your questions. here is one of the verses i quoted again, Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? man is a physical being, not a spiritual being. 1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Man does not have a spiritual body but a natural one. Man is basically a living soul, unlike Jesus who is a spirit, a quickening spirit. But soon, we shall be like Him. Everybody will be resurrected. The saints will be partakers of the first resurrection. in the resurrection, all will receive spiritual bodies. Each man's soul, spirit and body will be joined again. The point i was making to ijawk was to show that when a man dies, his spirit, soul and body are separated. Apparently, the body goes to the dust, and the spirit goes up. But instead of you to learn the simple pieces we are trying to break down for the benefit of all the readers, you think you've found a phrase to attack and debunk. Try to learn. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Solved by Image123(m): 10:01pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
They cannot answer this one oWhy do people just throw words anyhow? What is hell fire preacher? Did Jesus not preach about hell fire? Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into[b] hell fire.[/b] Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: At least, na Jesus first talk am abi na tradition or pagan? I'm yet to read anybody saying that the dead are tormented in hell by demons, except of course from frosb and his clan. 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Luk 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep. As is your custom, you err frosb, not knowing anything, not to mention scriptures. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Obadiah777,Joagbaje,goshen360,OLAADEGBU,enigma,Image123,JeSoul,frosbel:Which? by Image123(m): 9:49pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
i tend to go on myself as a literalist, so i wouldn't eat black pudding since it has blood, and i know. there is no unclean animal as God has cleansed them. Is it sin to eat any of the opined? NO. is it OK for me? No. For others, i do not know. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Okay For Christian To Eat Salah Meat? by Image123(m): 9:36pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › What Is Wrong With A Parable? by Image123(op): 5:08pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
not the thread opening fella but ithink there's a need to talk on this since the value of parables seems to be going down in the market. So, is a parable useless or falsehood? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Plssssssssss Help Me..wat Can I Do???!!!!!!!!!! by Image123(m): 4:54pm On Oct 25, 2012 |
@op you need to stop trying. only. Jesus can save you.All your efforts cannot save you from your sin. You need to believe God and trust Him. Then avoid occasion that lead to your besetting sin. |
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