₦airaland Forum

some nigerians are against the educational reforms most especially the conversion of polytechnics and colleges of education into university campuses. They claimed that the reforms were carried out without proper consultations with heads of such schools, NUC, NBTE, NCCE and employers of labour. I see the reforms as something that will not stand the taste of time. What is your own opinion??

i'm sure the muslims will have it in their koran; may be we'll contact them.

@stimulus
a whole respected christian like you? you mean you don't know how long Adam and Eve stayed in the Garden of Eden before they were driven out? I was relying on you oo!!

Allah (The most beneficient, the most merciful)

Free:
i dnt think anybody knows the answer

I expect christians like Stimulus to know.

God created heaven and earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. How many days, or weeks or months or years did Adam and Eve live in the Garden of Eden before they were driven out of it by God??

@stimulus
You are only arguing as a christian, i don't think you know the truth.

estio:
It no longer news that hnd is no not recognised in most firms and industries,considering technical know-how do we all realise that hnd holder spent more years in acquiring their certificate than a bsc holder?. Like Abimbola has said if actually things are put in their respective places there would be no discrimination may be not to the level of hnd holder it could be ond or nce.
In my own opinon i suggest since even the federal govt and ministries as well as companies don't accept hnd please POLYTHECNIC SHOULD BE TOTALLY SCRAPTED to stop further harm especially to the up coming secondary school leavers.Afterward poly or no poly uni or no uni there is no job in NIGERIA except if you got people in the high places in the labour market.

Federal Government has abolished HND programs already and polytechnics will become campuses or colleges of science and technology to proximate universities awarding BTech Degrees in science and Technology-related courses only.

Jerry Gana?? that MAMSER guy?? was he not part of OBJ's government??

@stimulus

And the Bible now told you that ishmael and his descendants did not worship God, abi?? Quote your Bible for me, probably i don't have that verse in my own Bible.

Allah is an Arabic word as we all know, while Jehovah is Hebrew. Is God a Hebrew word??

Please if you understands kalabari language very well kindly give us the meaning to these names and give us more kalabari names and their meanings too.

Ibinabo
ibiye
ibiere
Tamuno-Tonye
Tamuno-Boma
Tamunoene

@stimulus
What do you understand by " he will be a wildman"?? Don't give a literal meaning to it, you hear?? and what do you understand by "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren"?? Who are his brethren??

@Stimulus
If the Bible did not tell us that Ishmael worshipped Jehovah God, did the same Bible tell us that he worshipped another god?? if it did extract from the Bible and tell us the god he worshipped??

Thank God that you agree and acknowledge that God Blessed Ishmael because of Abraham's prayer(s) for him; He was Blessed that's it!! Was it not God's Blessings that was poured upon him?? Or is there any Blessings more than God's Blessings?? did the blessings transform into curse?? Or did God reverse the blessings??

stimulus:
Bottomline is that Ishmael is not recorded in the Bible as a worshipper of Jehovah God.

And the same Bible did not record that Ishmael was not a worshipper of the true God Jehovah. the Bible did record it that the true God Jehovah blessed Ishmael and was with him through out till death.

Take it or leave it, the truth is that the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is also the God of Ishmael, meaning that the God of Christians is also the God of the Muslims whether He is called Jehovah, Ellah or Allah. After all God understands all languages because He created and gave them to mankind.

Backslider:
@Ishmeal

Pray you find the truth I have found out your faith and that you take authorty from a different book.

I have seized to Argue with Moslems.

I'm a christian like you my brother!!

@stimulus
The Bible did not talk much about the life of Ishmael after he and his mother Hargar went into the wilderness. Read the Quran for more stories about the life of ishmael; the Quran talks much about him than the Bible; and there is no where in the Quran where ishmael was said to worship a god other than the true God. If at all Ishmael and his mother Hargar worshipped a god other than the God they and Abraham worshipped in Abraham's house the Bible would have pointed it out. for God to have abided with him meant he still worshipped the living God his father Abraham worshipped. The Bible talked more about Isaac than Ishmael, so you would never get answers to some of your questions about Ishmael in the Bible. The Quran focuses more on Abraham & Ishmael than Isaac.

stimulus:
where does the Bible record Ishmael's worship of Jehovah God?

Where does the Bible record Ishmael's worship of another god other than the God of his father Abraham??

Thats the problem i have with fanatical christians like stimulus, always saying that muslims don't worship God. Now it has reached a level of denying that ishmael and Hargar did not worship God; then you must have read your Bible upside down. If ishmael and Hargar had worshipped a god other than the living God then the Bible would have told us, else they worshipped the same God with father Abraham.

@stimulus

Can God be with people who do not worship him?? was God with Cain?? Was God with Pharoah?? Was God with Goliath?? The Bible did not tell us that Ishmael did not worship God. Did Isaac worship God?? Can u quote from the Bible to show that Isaac worshipped God.
Yes, God blessed Ishmael because he was Abraham's son and He was going to make a great nation for Abraham through him too. God also blessed Isaac because he too was Abrahams son, so what are you talking about?? is it because the Bible records very little about Ishmael?? Even at that the Bible tells us that Jehovah God blessed Ishmael and was with him because he worshipped him and not because he was just Abraham's son. Ishmael and his mother Hagar worshipped the true God that Abraham worshipped, simple!! Q.E.D.

@Davidylan

Is that the only part of Genesis that talks about ishmael??  Read Genesis very well and you will see the blessings the God of Abraham gave to ishmael for being a seed (offspring) of Abraham. Genesis 21:20 even states that "God was with him as he lived and grew up in the wilderness and became an archer". Which God was the Bible referring to?? Is it not the same Jehovah God that his father Abraham worship(ped)?? If Ishmael's God was an idol then Abraham was the originator of the idol god, and the Bible clearly states that it was Jehovah God that Abraham and his household worshipped and not an idol god. even the mother of Ishmael (Hargar) who he lived with in the wilderness worshipped Jehovah God, so how comes his descendants did not worship the same God they worshipped?? Did the descendants of Isaac (the Jews) not worshipped Jehovah God?? if they did then the descendants of Ishmael (Ishmaelites) also worshipped Jehovah God. Quote from the Bible and tell us where Ishmael and his mother Hagar worshipped a god other than the Jehovah God Abraham worshipped then will i agree that the muslims do not worship the same God as the Jews and Christians.

stimulus:
Please can you provide where in the Bible that Ishmael the son of Abraham worshipped God?

You must be out of your mind; Did ishmael not worship the same God as his father Abraham, even before isaac was born?? Please you too provide for me where in the Bible Abraham or isaac worshipped God??

Sorry Ishmael worshipped the idol his father Abraham worshipped. Nonesense!!!

Is Allah not the same thing as Jehovah God?? Remember Abraham had 2 sons; Ishmael and Isaac. The descendants of Ishmael are the Arabs and they still worship the God Ishmael the son of Abraham worshipped then. The Bible even stated it that Jehovah God blessed Ishmael and was with him through out. My question is ,why do christians say that muslims do not worship the true God, Jehovah?? was the God of Abraham, Isaac and jacob different from the God of Ishmael?? if there is no difference then muslims worship the same God with the christians and prefer to call him using an arabic word Allah.

what about the polytechnic graduates (ND & HND holders) on contract, did they increase their own pay too??

naijacutee:
Abeg, make upland people try gree now. Afterall, Kalabari's and the Ijaws are the main Rivers people.
Abi, no more okoro, it's time for amayanabo!!!

my broda, i tire o; why won't a Kalabari or ijaw man be governor??

FG have scrapped HND programs in Nigeria. You can only proceed to to do BTech in Statistics in any college of Technology or go to a conventional university for a BSc in Statistics.

Yes i know of people with passes in either maths or english who graduated from universities with Bsc and what have you. You can try, don't give up.

pally there is nothing wrong with smoking weed; as a born-again christian all you need to do is to becareful so that you don't over smoke one day and start mis-interpreting the Bible. Stay blessed. Na Jah Rastafarai born-again you be

creationxt:
God's commandments are supreme and above human questioning.

how many of such commandments have u kept or observed properly?? Is it only paying of tithes that God commanded people to observe?? What about the sabbath day, do you also observe it??

for Christ's sake just as the sabbath is of no more significance for a christian to gain salvation so also is the tithes; that was why the apostle Paul said that we are no longer living under any law.

Those upland guys have ruled for long, let a waterside man climb that seat come May 29, 2007. Abi them make the seat for only those[i] okoro [/i] men??

Why do you people always emphasize on some and not all of the old testament laws?? what about keeping the sabbath day holy?? Why do christians ignore keeping the sabbath day holy?? If Tithes must be paid then the sabbath day must be kept holy too.

weldone bros.

@TayoD
Abraham was not under any law as you said; no wonder he slept with his wife's maid in order to have a son, and God did not see it as sin. You can as well take a second wife if you are married or sleep with your wife's maid for a child, abi?? Leave abraham out of this tithe issue and him not being under the law. it will amount to a BIG sin for you to do what Abraham did then.