₦airaland Forum

freshboi88:
You have not answered my question. If all these things you are saying is correct why does Rev 19 say no one knows the name except himself ?

It didnt say no human ?
It didn't say some?

So, are you saying the bible made a mistake

Emusan:
The only Mr Gebbrish himself



So @Bishopkingsley is now your yardstick for Bible



Alaroye! Besides, @Bishopkingsley never conflict him, @Bishopkingsley only said the word translated as WORSHIP in Rev 5:15 was translated by your demonic organization as obesance.

Meanwhile, reading that Rev 5:13-15 the worship was given to the one sitting on the throne and THE LAMB
.[/b]

Just as your Bible says Jesus is your creator, your God and your Life.

John 1:1; 1:3



Lying liar, still twisting a plain and simple sentence by @Bishopkingsley

OLAADEGBU:
The Triune God.

Horlufemi:
Jesus = God
God the Father = God

Jesus =/= God in that they are distinct. explicitly

the Good thing about this passage is that Holy spirit is not involved. it's just Their working power.
You can't worship the Holy spirit per say. It's directly linked to Jesus and God its part of their essence. God's Spirit doesn't have divinity but it is a quality of Divinity or God-likeness. something that the Godkind possess

OLAADEGBU:
frosbabel! the author of confusion.

That guy exposed your GIBBERISH for what it is .
Yet, you seek solace to tag him with a false label rather than use your Bible to make your points.

How can OLAADEGBU give what he doesn't have?

Emusan:
When you don't even understand his point in the first place.

Even a 5 years old will grab it than 7 years old

But your translation even said He is "A GOD"

So how can you open your mouth to say Jesus isn't God?

The Bible says so not him!

Emusan:
Besides, Jesus is the son of God when he became part of the creation.

Is it a new thing to you?

No! The Word who became the Son CAME down.

Do you understand now?

freshboi88:
JW delusional follower. Jesus is God. God is one but exist in three persons

freshboi88:
Oga greek interlinear......can you show me where the bible says God is one person

freshboi88:
Hahaha..This is easy. I am going to use your New World Translation to bury you and your lies.

Now here it comes

Rev 5:13 NWT
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

freshboi88:
Here is my proof that Jesus is God from your own bible:

1. Jesus receives the same worship that is given to Jehovah. This is seen in the scripture quoted above. Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the sea give the same glory and honor that is due to Jehovah also Jesus.

If Jesus is not God, then this will be idolatry.

freshboi88:
2. We have every creature on one side and Jehovah and Jesus on the other side. This clearly shows Jesus is not a creature, if he was then he will be part of every creature. But he is not.


Now here comes my questions

1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature if he is a creature?

2. Why does Jesus receive the same Glory, Honor, Blessings and adoration given to Jehovah?

When you can answer these questions, then you will have sense. Waiting for your answers

Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ is a creature,na your Bible talk am.
Why Freshboi dey change am with false claims?

Your fellow 3 deities devotees /Trinitarians (in screenshot) say your claim is false.
This boi,go and rest.

freshboi88:
But that is not what the text says. However if you are correct, can you tell me why your own translation says that no one else knows the name except Jesus?

Are you trying to say there's an error in the bible ?

freshboi88:
@ bolded says no one knows but he himself. So your question is irrelevant.

Now on one know apart from himself....does Jehovah know the name ?

This boi don't confuse yourself.

John 17:7
"Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you"

The name nobody knows, in context,no human knows, that name is a Gift GIVEN to Jesus Christ.

This boi, apostle John wrote Jesus statements @ John 17:7 & Revelation 19:12.

Don't forget.

johnw47:

lost fraud jw janosky

of course you anti christs don't believe Christ:

Joh_2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.



[s]Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


oh so very dum and confused one,[/s] you denyers of the Son raising Himself, and creating all things etc. don't have the Father also:

Acts 2:32,New International Version
"God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it".

Deceptive John W , did you LYING clown witness Jesus resurrection?
Peter saw Jesus resurrection.
You can continue typing GIBBERISH

OkCornel:
Jesus is the son of God. He is not the Father.
Let’s be clear on that.

Psalms 110 v 1
The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet.”

Matthew 22 v 41-46;
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”
“The son of David,” they replied.
43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44 “‘The LORD said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’
45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”
46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.


Observe carefully, when David was in the Spirit in Psalms 110 v 1, he referred to Jesus as Lord, not “LORD”

RepoMan007:
I am sure "earth" and "heaven" too are man made words. I get you.

Cakkie:
I drink garri with too much sugar. But it has stayed long enough.

johnw47:
Joh_2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jesus said He will raise up the same body that is destroyed
He will not raise some other body
and He will not borrow another body

johnw47:
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father

Their God Yahweh has a Father.

What is the correlation of 1 John 2:23 & John 2:19?
None at all.

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is Yahweh. See my thread on this topic. https://www.nairaland.com/2010346/jesus-really-god

RepoMan007:
God the Father. There is God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Godhead.

OLAADEGBU:
1. Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization, or Charles Taze Russell?

1.1. Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
1.2. Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:

.1.1.1 " Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a "faithful and discreet slave" class whowould be providing the spiritual food to God’s family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests worldwide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ," (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51)

OLAADEGBU:
1.2. Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:

1.2.1. "Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of ‘that faithful and wise servant,’ and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).

OLAADEGBU:
1.3. Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:

1.3.1. "From this, it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion’s Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individual, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant.” He never did claim to be such," (God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).

OLAADEGBU:
War games!

HedwigesMaduro:
And I thought have seen it all. So, because God answered Jesus prayers means Jesus is God to God Almighty? I hope that is not what you meant in this write-up? So, has God ever answered you? You get my drift?

NNTR:
Jesus and God the Father, both influence each other. God the Father does what Jesus asks
.

NNTR:
God, as Jesus, is who is praying in John 11:40-42

Same God, as God the Father, is who is hearing and listening.

NNTR:
If you tell in what capacity God would pray to His Son, tell I might dignify answering this question

NNTR:
Yes, of course, He was given and/or received everything. Is that a lie then?
What's wrong in giving oneself things?
Whats wrong in receiving things from oneself?

NNTR:
Jesus’ words and actions reflect only what God could say and do. Nicodemus in a roundabout way even too confirmed this.

Our Lord Jesus Christ hasn't a quibble being both subordinate and equal to God, its only you and your buddies who are frothing in the face over it.

NNTR:
If the Godhead didnt submit to each other, the gift of salvation, the plan of redemption, reconciliation and atonement would have not come to pass

Courz:
Why is Bethel Service known as THE ORDER in this letter to incoming Bethelites?
Why is it that Dead bodies of Bethelites BELONG TO WATCHTOWER and their families CANNOT retrieve their bodies for proper burial?

Courz Sifia pains & mental imbalance

AgirlsNightmAre:
This two guys Janosky and Maximus are nothing more than empty barrels who exchanged their brains for a pot of beans.
You guys are a big embarrassment to the JW'S you claim to represent on this forum.
I think the should start feeding you guys milk again cus you don't even understand the deep things of the scriptures
I'll recommend you to start your studies over again this time using MY BOOK OF BIBLE STORIES
Mumu men

Courz:
Do you watch THE JOHNSONS on African Magic Family? That character called SPIFF, that's the character those two have been displaying, even in a previous thread. Their Mumu no get rival! They keep yapping rubbish, even helping us in our arguments. JWs reading their comments will be bowing their heads in shame because the facts we have been dropping are NOT what a sane person can refute! But the confidence they are displaying in their Mumuness is helping to drag their Cult more and more in the Mud. I am even embarrassed to have been in this Cult with this kind of people having this kind of Brain. They also don't have a good reputation in this forum no matter how they try to paint their Cult white. It is embarrassing to watch honestly.

But can you blame them for not having a deep understanding of the Bible? Watchtower teaches them nothing. They only learn twisted interpretations. That's all. Their meetings are repetitious. Very boring and mind numbing. Nothing new except their embarrassing New Light. Their leaders admitted that they are NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit. So, Holy Spirit is nowhere to be found in the Cult. And when there is no Holy Spirit, you will be Spiritually blind. Imagine 8 blind old men leading over 8 million people. and deep things of the Bible will look foolish to them.

Courz Oteneaaron mental imbalance.
The same persons who said the YouTube video claim on this thread were PROVEN to be FALSE.

Kobojunkie:
1. What has Jesus Christ being God to do with reincarnation?,

2. God Himself is written to have announced Jesus Christ as His Son on two different occasions there in the Gospels. That is one of the reasons why He is recognized as the Son of God.

Lifted2000:
The greatest insult that you can give a Christian is to tell him that Jesus (Yeshua) is not God.

When you say that you are denying the very essence of His being and equating Him to man.

This is a red line for us but it is crossed every day yet we take it in our stride.

We do not kill or threaten to kill because of it and neither do we show our pain when others deny Him.

That does not mean that your lack of understanding of our faith or your denial of our beliefs does not hurt us. I assure you that it does.

To the Christian, Jesus is not a Prophet but the second leg of the Holy Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

He is God incarnate that came down in the flesh and He is the Lamb of God that came to take away the sins of the world.

He is the rock of our salvation, our provider and our strong defender. He is our Shield, our glory and the lifter of our Heads.

We adore Him, we worship Him, we love Him more than life itself and we regard Him as our EVERYTHING.

To us He is far more than a mortal and it is to Him that we pray and make our supplications every day.

I will never shy away from saying this and I would rather die than deny His grace, love, mercy, compassion and DEITY.

He alone gives us courage, He alone gives us life, He alone gives us hope and to Him alone do we go when our work on earth is done.

He is the Blood of the Sprinkling, the El Shaddai, the Adonai, the Elohim and the I AM, THAT I AM.

He is the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valley and the Man of War.

He is the Ancient of Days, the Lord Hosts and the Prince of Peace.

His power, His glory and His majesty stretches through the ages and into eternity.

He is the Lord of creation and the Master of the Universe who knows the end even before the beginning.

He is the Alpha and the Omega: the beginning and the end, to whom the sun, the moon, the stars, the planets, the waters, the fires, the winds, the elemental forces and the whole of creation bow.

He is Jehova Elyon who sits above the circles of the earth, who holds the universe together by the power of His word, who gives life and who kills and who is filled with mercy, love and compassion.

He is Yeshua Hamashiach who favours the bold, who provides for the poor and who is husband to the widow and father to the fatherless.

He is Jehova El Gibbor who gives blessings, mercy, favour, power and honor to whom He deems fit, who rules in the affairs of men and who forges the destiny of nations.

He is Yeshua El Parazim who gave His life as a living sacrifice, who paid for our sins, who conquered death, who rose again and whose train fills the Temple.

He is the Holy One of Israel before whom the Angels, the Archangels and the 24 Elders cry HOLY, HOLY HOLY!

He ALONE is God, none can deny Him and none can stand beside Him!

Ken4Christ:
I don’t blame you. Carnal man cannot understand spiritual truths.

OLAADEGBU:
War games!

https://www.chick.com/images/tracts/1090/1090_01.gif?11162021085116 https://www.chick.com/images/tracts/1090/1090_02.gif?11162021085116
https://www.chick.com/images/tracts/1090/1090_03.gif?11162021085116 https://www.chick.com/images/tracts/1090/1090_04.gif?11162021085116

OLAADEGBU:
The New World Translation and John 1:1

While this article does not have within its scope a detailed treatise on how to pick and choose a good Bible translation, it should be noted that Jehovah’s Witnesses use a very faulty and inaccurate Bible translation known as The New World Translation (NWT). How does their translation render John 1:1? According to the NWT, this verse is translated as,

"In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Notice the major difference between the NASB and the NWT's translation of the third clause: " . . . and the Word was a god." This is a significant shift between the two translations. The question needs to be asked: Is this variation warranted?

Now, of course, if we want to decide which translation is the best, it only makes sense to go to the original language in which the writers of the New Testament wrote. Since Koine Greek was the language in which John wrote his Gospel, it would do us well to look at how John wrote and arranged his words in this verse.

Continue reading here

Courz:
Keep shooting yourself in the foot! So, you don't know that the more you keep dropping references to Catholics, the more it shows that JWs are no different from Catholics! Can you see how you have unknowingly disgraced your Cult further by posting Catholic references? What you just did right now is called OWN GOAL! You have helped my argument. You are proving me right.

Why is Bethel Service known as THE ORDER in this letter to incoming Bethelites?
Why is it that Dead bodies of Bethelites BELONG TO WATCHTOWER and their families CANNOT retrieve their bodies for proper burial?

Courz Oteneaaron moronic delusion is luminous beyond description.

The screenshots proven that "ORDER" exist in different Faiths as well as in Government/Public Administration.

NNTR:
FreedomfromtheT has below kindly directed you to please read Psalms 45: 6,7 and Hebrews 1:8,9

NNTR:
Its divinity speaking to divinity. It is Influence speaking about Influence.

If you come think about it, on a divinity level, there's nothing unusual, surprising or abnormal in this

Exactly and there's no wrong in doing anything like that

NNTR:
Yes, God the Father is the God of God the Son

John 11:40-42
'40Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you believe [in Me], you will see the glory of God [the expression of His excellence]?”
41So they took away the stone. And Jesus raised His eyes [toward heaven] and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
42I knew that You always hear Me and listen to Me; but I have said this because of the people standing around,
so that they may believe that You have sent Me [and that You have made Me Your representative].”'

Luke 10:22
'All things have been transferred and turned over to Me by My Father
and no one knows who the Son is except the Father,
or who the Father is except the Son,
and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.'

NNTR:
Yes, it safely can be said that God the Son is also the God of God the Father, because they are mutually submissive to each as is seen in the preceded verses above.

Luke 10:22 is working against whoever doesnt know who Jesus Christ fully is

Exactly, the word and title God is synonymous with divine dominance, power and influence

Courz:

Why is Bethel Service known as THE ORDER in this letter to incoming Bethelites?
Why is it that Dead bodies of Bethelites BELONG TO WATCHTOWER and their families CANNOT retrieve their bodies for proper burial?

oteneaaron:
Lol

COWARD.

See how little you think, upon all your intelligence.

So because Courz exposed your organization as a cult on an open thread on Nairaland, that automatically means he and I the same person?

If you are not a COWARD, drop your name and the name of your congregation.

Your body of elders and circuit overseer need to see how you are breaking the rule given by David Splane.