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^^lol . . . infact eh, I'm going to start charging you as I'm doing your job now  . . .

here's another in the POSTERIZED series and how ironic! The same Corey Brewer who just embarrased Fisher is on the receiving end this time.

[flash=500,400]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/esEEpikpfJM[/flash]
 
Dayum! Fantastic behind the back pass from House while falling outta bounds and posterlicious finish from the recovering Tony Allen . . . AND 1!  apart from injuries this kid would been an all star by now.

Uncle Jag and sister Platinum  eya, e pele sorry eh.

The Cowboys deserve massive credit. They went into the Superdome and pulled off their biggest win of the season when everyone said they could not. Big time credit.
as for those yeye Steelers . . . they didn't deserve to win that game at all. This one must sting big time for the Packers.


and I just cannot believe the Chargers have gone under the radar and put together a more than solid 11-3 record  can't believe it  .

No2Atheism:
I intend to watch Avatar 3D today . . . first time I am actually going to a cinema . . . to watch a movie . . .

Lol, one of the people contributing to the global economic slump

Go and sin no more.

98.23 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot

LOL . . . I get it! 

Image123:
JeSoul my sista
Why look ye for the living among the dead?

Lol . . . then why where you here in the first place eh? 

I answered your question. We're not in a law court where we're looking for evidence5C, exhibit 42 to gold against me. Re-read me post. If yor sincerely see that I didn't answer yor, say it again. Then, I'll know your're either lying or sincere. I'll answer again.
Wetin consign me with Esther now? I'm talking 1Timothy 2v9. Later we fit talk Esther with 2mm pole.

Nah I'm not being mischeivious at all.
I asked again because you really simply re-quoted 1 Tim, I am seeking your personal answer to this:

JeSoul:
Can women braid their hair, wear expensive clothes, gold and pearls or not? A yes or no will more than suffice. This is what 1 Tim says ain't it? Gracias  .

It is yes or no? or sort-of? Gracias senor.

Esther is the poster girl right now for this discussion as it is apparent she was more than guilty of commiting the sin of wearing make-up, painting, and adorning herself with lavish clothing and jewelry, yet God blessed and used her.

. . . oya No2Atheism, the floor is all yours

And say it ain't so, are the Cowboys really talking trash about their up comer with the Saints? wonders shall never end.

Too sad. Just too sad. RIP.

A-40, don't rain on my parade now

Derek Fisher is not the guard he once was, he cannot keep up with the younger guards and is getting embarrased too often. Of course we saw what a match-up problem he was for Brooks last playoffs.

Krayola:
haha. aight.

Please delete my email address from your post before awon boys send me letter to come and claim my billion dollar award from my late uncle that was chief of NNPC.

lol, deleted.

Pastor AIO:
Hey, writing all those words wasn't a picnic for me either. You asked for it and that was as concise as I could have made my point, okay I admit I gave myself allowance for a few diversion here and there. What can I say? I was in the spirit.

Lol . . . I got no problem wit dat. But really, thank you for induling my question in detail. I wasn't complaining about ur long post at all, just trying to keep my response simple so everyone can keep up.

That 'Afterlife' question is irrelevant to the subject of this thread. It is in itself another matter that would require a longassed exposition from me. The subject of this thread is salvation. I was asked about this before and I avoided answering because I felt no inspiration to answer. Yesterday I answered.

I don't think so, but I certainly can't twist ur arm into responding . . . or can I?

I've said it before and I'll say it again now that salvation is right here and now and within your grasp. Don't let yourself be beclouded with all these false doctrines that you have assimilated. I'm not trying to win an argument with you here on nairaland. I'm not asking you to agree with me explicitly. Just when you are alone in your quiet moment consider it within yourself. If you reject it, then so be it. If you accept it, so be it. You don't have to come back to me to tell me.

My Pastor, I agree 100%.
I'm not sure what false doctrines you may be refering to. I agree we can be saved now . . . and the fulfilment of that salvation is when Christ returns to take us home.
1John Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure

I never said that the kingdom of Heaven is only here on earth. I said that the kingdom of heaven is where the Will of God prevails. Does the Will of God prevail in the heavens?

Okay. I should've simply asked and waited your response before tagging it your position. My bad.

Its just that from the way you stated your response, it left the impression all there is to be had is to repent and you'll be in that heaven. The end.

Do I believe in the existence of Heaven? I don't need to believe, all I have to do is look upward. Heaven is evident.

You are a poet. What do you understand by the term 'metaphor'? When Jesus says that in his father's house there are many rooms does that mean that in the afterlife we are all going into one big house and each person will have his own room? Do you think we'll then meet for communal dinner downstairs of this giant house?

When Paul says he knows someone who was whisked into heavenly realms (bodily or not bodily, even he couldn't tell), what is your opinion? did you think it was bodily. did you think that this person, like mohammad in the quran, leap so high he went to heaven where he split the moon with a karate chop.

Of course not. They are indeed metaphors not meant to be a literal description of heaven. I just wanted to point out the the different uses of the word 'heaven' and also to state some meant it in regards to a "place", others an "experience".

Krayola:
@jeseoul. If u, or anyone else is interested I have some lectures I can send u on this stuff. The files are too large to put on youtube and it's too much stuff to write in a post.

Bring it on. My dad always said no knowledge is wasted . . . a motto I threw out at the begining of every philosophy class I ever took . But will holla in a minute brotha.

I wish Chris Henry well . . . these things are just sad. If the roles were reversed and he was driving while she fell out, I daresay he would've been crucified by us all by now.

Hydrogen Peroxide,

Thou discriminator!  I have been waiting patiently for you to put this video up in your posterized series . . . why so long? cos it was a laker on the receiving end? 
[flash=600,450]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zClqb1Dyq3c[/flash]
 
  ROTFLOL . . . Fisher looked dazed and like he was about to cry 

Atheists:
My girlfriend who goes to a pentocostal church was told by her pastor who also happens to be an ignoramus that dating an atheist is the equivalent of dating satan himself. So she broke up with me

Who else thinks this: that his girlfriend used this pastor as an excuse to break up with Atheist?? 

Where's my brother Image eh? 
And Tensor777, I see you've refused to touch Beauty Queen Esther with a ten foot pole.

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=96474.msg5128232#msg5128232 date=1260995484]1 Tim 2: I also want women to dress modestly, with decency [/b]and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

[b]'Modesty', 'decency', etc are constructed, subjective and culture-specific terms.
We should think about that before attempting to legislate what women everywhere can or cannot wear.[/quote]Infact you could not have nailed it any better.

I almost forgot.

In addition, I would like to hear Deepsight and AIO's understanding of the heaven/heavens as detailed in the entire book of Revelations. A few bullet points will do. Thanks.

Pastor AIO:
Jesus then goes into a few other aspects of the Kingdom before he comes to this point where he explicitly states what is NOT required to enter the kingdom vis a vis what is required.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

It is not by using your mouth to trumpet lord lord, or singing alleluia or painting your buses with slogans "God is Good" etc, but by doing the will of the Father. Remember that the Kingdom of Heaven means the Rule of God. So these 2 are interchangeable. I'm under God's rule, God rules me, I am under his will ,and I am in the Kingdom of Heaven. It is a path of actions, of daily living, not an ideology.


24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

He commends those who hear these saying and does them. Their foundation is firm. They are on a firm footing.


And to summarize all:

28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his [size=15pt]doctrine[/size]:

This is Doctrine. Not the Doctrine of Pastor AIO, but of none other than Jesus who is called the Christ.

I thank you all for your patience. I am exhausted.

Deep Sight:
Bravo, Pastor, really great work. Just utterly brilliant. I myself didn't really know where to start from, but you have just nailed everything away fantastically.

Jesoul, where are you?

I want to see your response particularly to this -

Jesoul, this one is quite clear isn't it? ? ? ? ? ? ?

That confessing him as "lord, lord. . ." is nothing, but doing the will of the Father is everything. . . . .? ? ? ? ?

I tire.

I have never disagreed with any of the above and infact have consistently agreed and even stated explicitly - doing the will of God is more than talk or proffession of a doctrine or belief - but is infact the doing of God's will - whether or not they 'knew' who God is as taught by the bible. Heck the bible is replete with examples of so called pagans and non-jews being heralded as icons of faith.

I dunno how else I can say this.

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My only issue is with those who ignore all the other books and teachings in the NT and even from Jesus that teach about sin and the need for repentance and salvation. You're clutching on for dear life to only "works" divorced from faith in Christ. This is bible clearly called "righteousness that are as filthy rags".

I will try to be as pithy as possible, as I'm borderline allergic to long posts.

Before I jump in on the "Kingdom of heaven" discussion. PastorAIO is it your position that there is no afterlife? and the kingdom of heaven is simply here on earth when we turn our lives around and repent?

Because the scriptures are obviously clear God expects us to be transformed here on earth so that we live out the kind of lives that please Him. Indeed in Luke 17 it says "the kingdom of God is within you". So yes you're right, the kingdom of heaven is here and now in that context.

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But if the "kingdom of heaven" is only here on earth then what in the world is meant by Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

if heaven is not an actual place but state of grace here on earth, then what is meant by Philippians 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth

if the Kingdom of heaven is not a place set aside for men and women who lived by faith as evidenced by their works, then what is Jn 14 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am   

    References to 'Heaven' in the bible include:
-'Heaven'
-'heavens'
-'Kingdom of heaven'
-'Kingdom of God'
-'first heaven'
-'third heaven'
etc . . .
. . . . now surely all these weren't simply refering to the life after repentance? surely Pastor?

Ndipe:
That was Old Testament, what does it say in NT?

I thought God was the same yesterday, today and tomorrow?

  If He was okay with it then, why would He change His mind now?

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=173006.msg5127305#msg5127305 date=1260985864]Violent Agbero lol Why haven't JS seen Inglorious Basterds? Never mind Pitt's atrocious accent, you'll admire Christoph Waltz's performance, and the movie is good, QT fashion[/quote]I dunno g. I dunno. lol.

davidylan:
I think that shld be me . . . if i call you a silly fool its not out of hate but out of genuine love. 

Outside of here i'm the kindest soul you could meet.

On a more serious note . . . that's true.

  David how can you expect us to believe this? so it is NL that brings out the warrior in you? 

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=367385.msg5127265#msg5127265 date=1260985478]I couldn't agree more. . . Infact I think i'm the most misunderstood person here.

Whatever I say on NL is out of love, charity and care i have for you all.

If anyone would indeed see me as i type, you'd give me a warm hug. . . .[/quote]I doubt it. You communicate your feelings quite effectively and with decisive finality. 

  Abuzola is def the most misunderstood guy . . . 

". . . Lost in translation", absolutely true Krayola.

  I think that's the diagnosis of the very first (and I think only discussion) btw you and I on that "rapture" thread. I think I misunderstood you and I apologize I didn't have enough patience to slow down and ask for clarification.

  Anyways@topic, true true true!

mavenbox:
Way to go, JeSoul! Lol. Let Noetic provide proof or retract his statement! Hehehe

NOETIC WHERE ARE YOU?!!! Noetic put up or submit your apology asap.

Tensor, answer me &Jesoul about Esther now, haba! You know, anything at all in the physical can be a tool to lead one into sin, even excess food or spending a lot of time online! Some things are not downright sins, its the motive and the extent that counts before God to whom nothing is hidden.

Oh how simple our faith can be apart from being re-enslaved to rules and regulations that "have an appearance of spirituality but infact lack true value in restraining the sensual" (Col 2:21)

Image123:
Ah JeSoul,
So it's first come first serve basis?ok. I'm not taking that scripture at face value. I am taking it at its value, without taking away from the Word or overspiritualising the text to favor anyone. It says and I agree 'women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with SHAMEFACEDNESS and Sobriety; NOT WITH broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.
Now hope you do the assignment on what broided hair looked like in them days.

You didn't answer my question but simply re-quoted 1 Tim. Don't worry I will answer your question in a minute.

Can women braid their hair, wear expensive clothes, gold and pearls or not? A yes or no will more than suffice. This is what 1 Tim says ain't it? Gracias  .


And btw feel free to comment on Beauty Gorgeous Queen Esther. Tensor what say ye as well?

[sarcasm]
Cheques are so 2000s. They should install ATM machines and ask parishoners to bring their debit and credit cards at all times.

That way they can ensure payment is instantaneous, not those checks that can bounce.
[/sarcasm]

mavenbox:
@tensor777: What about clothes? Since she is wonderfully made, why not wrap herself in a single sheet or wear the animal fur God made for them in Genesis 3? On the other hand, i need you to tell me if Queen Esther used make-up?

You beat me to it girl. I was just about to enter Queen Esther as Exhibit A.

-Queen Esther, a woman of incredible virtue, faith and grace, used mightily by God to save an entire nation.
-Queen Esther was also a seasoned, veteran beauty queen. Infact her beauty regime alone took years before she went before the king. Es 2:  Before a girl's turn came to go in to King Xerxes, she had to complete twelve months of beauty treatments prescribed for the women, six months with oil of myrrh and six with perfumes and cosmetics.

 My oh my! see the above. Esther consumed with such vanity, daring to participate in such when she's already fearfully and beautifully made, what a sinful woman she was.

noetic15:
in your dreams.

P.S. I am the most handsome guy u would ever set your eyez on

I demand pictoral evidence of this claim at once! or forever hold your peace  A man of God cannot make such claims and go scott free 

 

Image123:
JeSoul, why you put my name for the mix now? If so, kindly do your research on what plaiting and braiding was like in Bible days. Please get back on that. This is getting interesting.

My brother, I will answer your question as you as you answer the one I first asked you:

JeSoul:
1 Tim 2: I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

If you took this scripture at face value only that means women should not braid their hair or wear expensive clothes or gold or jewelry at all. Is that your position? Image, Tensor and Kwe? please clarify. Because I am about to demand you never buy anything of value for your wives, allow them to braid their hair and you must all shave your heads according to 1 Cor 11.

What was Paul's motivation for writing 1 Tim 2? was it to ban women from wearing make-up and braids and jewelry? or was it to curb the prevalent practice of corinthian women dressing seductively and putting heavy emphasis on their looks instead of their hearts and deeds? Scripture is more than just black and white people, and its not about twisting or modifying to fit the times, not at all.

Ditto to Tensor.

I was going to let this slide but . . . I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here.

kwekwe:
The message should be moderation in that which is good and abstainance from that which is bad.
For instance you can't preach moderation in tobaco, hard drugs, alcoholic beverages, etc because from little you get addicted,

So make-up is bad? is that what the bible really says?

1 Tim 2: I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

If you took this scripture at face value only that means women should not braid their hair or wear expensive clothes or gold or jewelry at all. Is that your position? Image, Tensor and Kwe? please clarify. Because I am about to demand you never buy anything of value for your wives, allow them to braid their hair and you must all shave your heads according to 1 Cor 11.

What was Paul's motivation for writing 1 Tim 2? was it to ban women from wearing make-up and braids and jewelry? or was it to curb the prevalent practice of corinthian women dressing seductively and putting heavy emphasis on their looks instead of their hearts and deeds? Scripture is more than just black and white people, and its not about twisting or modifying to fit the times, not at all.

Haven't seen IB. Sawrry.

I dunno. I haven't been able to see Brad Pitt the same way since 'Troy'. I know its just a movie, it ain't real etc etc but psychologically . . . I wonder, has anyone's view of an actor ever been affected by a role they acted/played?

For example, the dude that plays the district attorney in Law and Order series, he does these stock commercials. He's a trusted and honored figure in the series and I tend to view him that way and believe the commercials . . . though of course I know its all BS but still . . .

Maxy is a backy glad alls well in your-nderland.

No2Atheism:
I hope you ladies know that the phrase "Thunder Fire Mr. Somebody" is a strong and concentrated Yoruba curse . . .

Ignorance is bliss now . . . stop spoiling the fun

Pastor AIO:
Out of curiosity, how do you correlate believing in his name with believing in his sacrifice.

I may have used the two interchangeably - forgive again. Where's the quote so I can clarify?

Believing in His name/sacrifice I lump together because it does no good to just believe in His name or sacrifice . . . it must inevitably be accompanied closely by a transformed life.