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*yawns*...sorry, long day

I got news for you...the actual number of christians - going by the biblical definition is much much smaller. Christianity is not a popularity contest and we are not interested in 'winning' the 'latest' counts. And as such census figures that attempt to 'gloat' or 'scare' about 'falling' numbers of christians...do not really bother us much . The true # of christians is much smaller, and with that, no wahala.

cheerios.

zinfly: i am really considering moving the whole thing from Nigeria. it will be cheaper. classy and memorable. i have really tried to be reasonable here. i eliminated ashebi cos i don't want that fuss. i have asked no one to contribute and i dont mind if you dont bring me a gift. both i and my fiance are fully responsible for our wedding. We just want a happy day less of moaning guest. the problem also is that Nigerians are not demure in their comment. i have seen people work their ass off to do wedding only for people to say the wedding was rubbish, there wasn't enough drinks and food. i was brought up to understand that you attend a wedding to show your support to the couple -food or no food. why do i have to waste my time and effort to please people i don't know. i think the more i read this comment, i become more adamant so that i will either move the whole thing or get heavily armed me. After the wedding i will pack my bags and go. its just cos my inlaws are too frail to attend abroad if not there will be no question about this ***Sigh***

Words of wisdom. Infact you have just expressed my exact feelings on weddings - in Nigeria or elsewhere. Please - do not bend to pressure. Do things the way you and your fiance want and you will have no regrets rather than trying to please 'unpleasable' people who do not care about you. Moving it to a 'calmer' location may be your best bet. You can return to naija for a 'thanksgiving' service/celebration for those relatives that cannot attend should you move it. I don't know why people believe that they are entitled eat freely of someone else's labor.

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@babyosisi,
sister how body now? how you just take abandon us like that? How family & life? hope all is sunshine.

^No problem brother. Its a christian thread and has been stickied on top the page even before I became a mod. And yes lets wait a few days...I'll go harrass somebody if it doesn't get on

Nakash,
I've tried to give you a long leash but please, stop posting muslim topics in this section. Many of us do not like the arrangement but we follow the rules regardless. I'm asking you respect other posters and post in the proper place.

Or I will have to use the ban button.

thanks.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]hey cmon that is unfair now! this Gods is for all of us!
first my thread is not getting front page and now this. .

then where do we Pagans praise our Gods [/quote]Easy peasy. Open your own seperate thread to praise whomever you want to praise - nobody go disturb you . And have a lil' faith, sometimes it takes a few days for a thread to get on there after being recommended.

babyosisi: I don't believe it is about being broke but rather about wanting your invited guests only
Weddings are not supposed to be open sports games where anyone can wander in from the streets.
It is a private intimate moment especially in this day of kidnappings and Boko haram.
People print invitations for a reason and they also want a fair head count for planning
I have been to wedding where invited guests could not Find seats and the place is crowded with unknown guests struggling for food and souvenir.Nigerians should learn to respect themselves and not show up to ruin people's occasion .
Nothing is limitless including food ad drinks
If she planned for 300,that is the number she wants and folks ought to respect her wishes.

am I seeing this username right?? Osisi? wassup mama?

Goldieluks: Its funny how you have to address humans as roaches and leeches. Very uncalled for.

Okay. What would you call people who gate-crash someone's wedding that they've spent so much money & time invested in? eating all the food and drinking all the wine & causing disorder?

I've seen this happen so often and its so rude & disrespectful & ruins weddings.

A wedding is a sacred occasion, happens once for most people and should be respected. Since those peole don't respect the bride & groom, then I have no respect for them.

Since you'll be in naija it may be harder but it is possible
-Warn your friends/invitees ahead that it will be invitation only
-Have a complete list of invited guests at the door and enforce it by -
-Hiring several bouncers/name checkers/security for 300 people (thats a lot of people to control)
-make sure you use non-family members/friends who cannot be talked into allowing people whose names are not on the list in

Don't allow roaches and leeches looking for free food & booze to invade one of the most special days in your life. These people are troublemakers and have no stake in making sure your day goes hitch-free and hence more likely to misbehave. Goodluck & congrats.

@Toba % Pagan9ja,
sorry fellas I modified both your posts to remove my email add .

@Pagan9ja,
I hid your posts on the "praise Him today" thread...I'm sure you know that thread is for christians right?

manmustwac: Did you get the email i sent you?

that's a negative sir, did not get it. Try .

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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]^^^^^MODS JeSoul & manmustwac, can you please push this thread to make it to the front page?
: https://www.nairaland.com/1126007/pictures-vodun-religon-benin-togo


It is a good thread and deserves to be viewed. unlike these threads from the religious section that hardly match the calibre:

https://www.nairaland.com/1126354/oyedepo-church-last-paid-me

https://www.nairaland.com/1113285/shiloh-2012-double-portion-day

https://www.nairaland.com/1123331/catholic-church-one-only-true


and i have noticed that all the above threads have to do with catholicism. is this some kind of religious discrimination and prejudice we are facing on this global site I need an answer please! [/quote]lol. Oga its the supermods that pick topics for the homepage. I'll go ahead and submit your topic to them. Cheers .

Not really familiar with much of the more 'popular sections' so I go for what I know -

my dude and a living nightmare to all travel scammers - Justwise.

Goshen360: ^^^ It's a one man battalion crusade.....he is on his own! ....We love you still mr pagan....

lol, gotta give him credit, he's convicted about his beliefs and he walks it, hard. lol.

So many quality posters & friends of mine, if I had to pick for this year, I go for-

-Goshen360
This brother is so cool and level-headed. I've never seen him throw or reply an insult (a rare thing on NL) and his detailed inputs on threads (as well as the many quality ones he opens) are always well thought-out & articulated. In addition, MMW and myself appreciate when he steps in and replys a question from posters when we're not there. My good brother in Christ, I appreciate him tons.

-Plaetton
Such a cool dude this plaetton. This guy for me has the most memorable quotes from 2012 and I'm not sure he realizes what a deep & profound mind he has. I enjoy his perspective as an atheist on christian threads (?? though I doubt deep down he doesn't hold a quiet fondness for the spiritual ). Always cool & never rash, brash or harsh. I hope he posts for many many threads to come.

Honorable mentions:
Emofine, I miss this girl. Her posts/threads are always so loaded and she's so so slick and good with words. I told her she should be in speech-writing.
Plappville, my sister (so few of us ladies in here), always sweet & funny with solid inputs and never fights.
Buzugee, this guy is crazy fun, crazy cool and just plain crazy lol.
Logicboy, though he's like the energizer bunny on aba-made steriods, I credit him for giving NL atheists a louder voice.

Pagan9ja, this crusade of yours ehn lol. All the best ehn

This is a very very wicked thread

*oh wait, the title said don't look if you're hungry*

But it doesn't matter I just had lunch, these pictures are

octus2008, this is just wrong brother, straight up wrong!

ps. pls don't feel obliged to reply...no telling when I'll have the time to reply again . At this rate I'm replying threads at a weekly pace ...dahm modding 'duties'.

Enigma: I've been rather heavily involved in some other matters.

Oga I have no doubt...infact self na wonder you dey spend small time with us, big man like you .

Now to the jamb questions,

Anyway, my answer is simple but expressed in terms of a question: if you say that Nigeria's case is "hopeless", do you mean for ever and always?

Uhmm...erhmmm...lemme re-quote Myjoe:

Can Nigeria change for the better? My short answer is Yes.

Will Nigeria change for the better? My short answer is No.

Supplementary questions?

"Hopeless" in what respect anyway? What is it you expect from Nigeria that you believe it will never realise?

I expect "progress" - socially, financially, politically, 'infrastructurally' and other 'allys'...for starters, it would really be nice to be able to pass through customs at the airport without having to bribe somebody to do their job and not harrass you.

When my dad asked us to make sure we had extra money in our hands for customs I thought it was "optional".

If it takes 100 years for Nigeria to realise "it", is that "hopeless"? Can you see that far ahead?

Has there ever been a country that at any point in history could have been said to be in similarly bad and 'lawless' situation as Nigeria (eg someone mentioned America of an era; others?)? How long did it take any such country to get better?

That is one bone I can give you - the USA is ~230yrs - development does not happen overnight. But I will argue the seeds that have grown to what it is today were visible during the Lincoln days.

What positive seeds can you point to in our political system that inspires hope?

The so-called advanced countries ---- how long did it take them to get where they are today and what did it cost them?

Hold on dia....what do you mean by "so-called advanced countries"? you mean they are not advanced? mind yaself oh.

Even as things are today, are there some countries that are worse to be in than Nigeria or not (corruption or no corruption)? Are those countries "hopeless" too? Even those among them where there is little or no "corruption"?

Yup. Some countries are definitely worse than us - I don't intimately know enough about them to declare which is 'hopeless' and which isn't.

Ah, by the way in that same Naija, there are people who are running businesses (of various sizes ranging from tiny to huge) successfully, legitimately and with reasonable honesty. I have examples.

Ehen now, no argument that some are have thriving business - my singular qualm - what percetage of the population does this constitute? even cactuses grow in arid deserts so there is always a small resilient remnant that will be smart & lucky enough to 'make it'.

Above all...I really LOVE this part of your last quote:

there are people who are running businesses (of various sizes ranging from tiny to huge) successfully, legitimately and with reasonable honesty

in-law, what does "reasonable honesty" mean? lol. Someone opened a thread a while back and the surmised gist was it is impossible to do business successfully in naija without having to bribe or grease someone along the way. Myjoe alluded to this as well.

*and she returns almost a week later*

Sorry folks...I can't believe how busy I have been and the little time I have to spend is spent cleaning threads, issuing cautions and stopping e-fights...my apologies to my in-law & Ihe for not being able to pursue the discussion in a timely manner .

Lemme see to Enigma's nice post...

Pls continue here: https://www.nairaland.com/1122442/post-previous-shiloh-testimony-ies

Modified:
pls continue here: https://www.nairaland.com/1124233/mother-killed-son-over-koran

(and thanks to striktlymi for bringing my mistake to attention).

pls continue here: https://www.nairaland.com/1124610/muslim-clerics-call-upon-egypt

Since some of you refused to listen, if you find you cannot post, I banned you.

^Yup, Crazyman can be nominated as he is not a mod here but in another section.

^dude, pyguru is a bot not a person . It's been untagged.

MyJoe: What was I saying? Yes, change will have to be top down. Two things are all it will take in my opinion – (i) leaders will have to lead by personal example, and (ii) crime will have to be punished. Once this is done the majority who are inherently good but turned bad because of their “environment” will see a reason to manifest good and it will be easier to deal with the few bad ones. This is not presently the case. What we need is a leader who can look Nigerians in the eye while telling them to make sacrifices.

men...this one go hard oh! lol. Even here in a developed nation where the going is relatively okay, people don't want to hear they need to make more sacrifices talkless of one where they're being sacrificed already on the daily. Dem go stone you out lol.

I am talking of a system where people see their legislator driving a simple car and living in a modest house and where the president’s feeding does not blow a hole in the budget. I believe this will go a long way in addressing the matter of impatience on the part of Nigerians that plaetton alluded to. Those who do figures will recall the figures that were bandied about during the fuel protest of early 2012. For example, we were shown figures comparing what the Spanish king spends in one year with what the Nigerian president spends.

In Lee Kwan Yew’s famous book, From Third World to First Word: The Singapore Story, he narrated the story of an African leader who came to a Commonwealth CHOGM asking that help be given to his country – not technical help, of course, but financial help. On a tarmac visible from the venue of the summit was a glistening jumbo jet belonging to the said African leader. It was parked there, idle, throughout the summit. The mumu leader did not see the irony, but those he was asking for money, leaders from serious countries who flew to the summit in commercial aircrafts did.

I think fish will fly, cows will run and Usain bolt will stroll before a Nigerian politician gives up his 'right' to flaunt. Is it possible? yes. Is it probable? hells no. And this has been my tussle with Ihedinobi.

Anyone reading this thread who has either lived in Germany or is familiar with their people and culture will likely agree with me that frugality is partly responsible for their being Europe’s number one after taking a beating in two world wars. (Which is why I think them Greeks don’t get it and probably never will!) You can argue that the bottom up thing has worked for the Germans and the government reflects the people. But ostentatiousness was hardly our lifestyle.

Excellent excellent point. The Greece meltdown is a whole nother thread.

Now to the issue that brought us where we are today – impunity. Corruption at the top was not so bad in early Nigeria. First Republic minister of petroleum, Maitama Sule, did not even own a house. Many of them left power not having houses – yet they created the problems that got us where we are today. Reports got to them of how much civil servants were stealing and they did nothing about it. A classic case was that of Joseph Tarka, Gowon’s young and flamboyant minister for communications. Mr Tarka was accused of corrupt dealing and self enrichment in his official capacity as a minister – or federal commissioner, as they called it then. No, not barroom gossip or banters made at the meat section of Ketu Market. The finger pointer took out an affidavit at the Lagos High Court and affidavit was complete with facts and figures – amounts, Swiss account numbers, addresses of houses, photographs, phone numbers, names of accomplices and all.

The government’s response? Gowon and his fellow “officers and gentlemen” running Nigeria simply chose to ignore it! In fact, when the minister for information was cornered by reporters at the airport, his pre-emptive response before the reporters could say anything summed up the attitude of the government - “Let me tell you questions I will not answer,” Anthony Enahoro said. “Don’t ask me any questions on Tarka. I will not answer”.

Today, impunity has assumed Olympian heights, with the justice system firmly in grips of the thieving and murdering political elite. Who has forgotten the efforts put in by our own AGF Aondoakaa to scuttle the prosecution of Dan Etete in Paris and the investigation of James Ibori in London? Ibrahim Lamorde, the serving head of the EFCC was a few days ago lamenting how his agency was only sending yahoo boys to jail while the big thieves got away.

I don’t know if you are familiar with the Odili case. About N100b is said to have “disappeared” during his time as governor of Rivers State. In the twilight of his days as governor, as his immunity from prosecution was about to expire and the then EFCC’s Nuhu Ribadu was talking tough, Mr Odili’s AG went to the High Court of Rivers State and obtained – wait for it – “a perpetual injunction” restraining just about anybody from ever asking him just about any question. A gelded EFCC later appealed against the injunction but they have never diligently pursued the appeal. A US-based Nigerian wrote a letter to the former CJN – the immediate past one, the same one who loudly asked for the death penalty for corruption, can’t recall his name right now - questioning the whole matter and asking how a judge could grant such an injunction. His Lordship told the Nigerian there was a problem with his letter and that was that. The case is effectively dead at the Court of Appeal. Someone said something about “orders from above”. Odili is free. In fact, his wife has risen rapidly from the Rivers State High Court to the Supreme Court within the time in question.

Odili is just one example. They are many and they only steal in billions.

Nigerian courts don’t convict. If they do, the big man gets away with a fine of N3m or so – Lucky Igbinedion - or they get sentenced to a few months in jail under special treatment – in the case of Cecilia Ibru the judge not only ordered that she serve the jail term in a hospital but actually specified a high brow hospital in Victoria Island. There is zero anti-corruption fight going on in Nigeria. There is a flash in the pan every now and then - like Bode George who was actually jailed and James Ibori who had to run like Ben Johnson – involving someone who fell out with “them”, but there is no sustained fight going on.

People see these and take note – if you steal small you go jail; if you steal billions, nothing dey happen. Elsewhere when the system catches a big thief like Bernard Madoff it is particularly harsh on him and example is made of him. In fact, the FBI will spend good money tracking such a person and letting small accomplices off the hook so they can build a good case against the big thief. In Nigeria, the reverse is the case. Some Arewa leaders just called for the death penalty for corruption – calls for the death penalty for corruption or kidnaping or just about any crime have been dropping from mouths like ripe mangoes from an overburdened tree lately. The foolishness of it is bewildering. It is not because the penalties are not harsh enough that there is corruption. One wonders what police or judiciary will bring people to their death penalty.

Mehn thanks so much for this history (and current) lesson. I do not doubt for an instant it is as you have laid it out here. We all 'know' this is what happens in the courtyards of power ........

I will be back to continue this post...duty calls. Hopefully be back 2moro to finish....

Logicboy03: For someone that lives in the USA, you should know that the dog-eat-dog attitude mostly arises from the situation of the environment.


Take for instance the gangster and mafia era of the usa. The mafia were the omoniles (or omo niles). The charged businesses just for operating in their neighborhood. Sub-machine guns were use to rob banks and take out opposing gangs. Why did this all happen? The police were corrupt in the pocket of gangsters and politicians. The police didnt have firepower to match the weapons of the gangsters. The Federal government had to step in to solve this problem with the FBI.


So you see, people will take advantage of the lawlesness and corruption. The strong survive. Eat or be eaten. This is what happens when society is corrupt and broken down.

I don't disagree with this LB. I'm asking about being in the proactive - scamming, misbehaving & harming people when no direct or immediate danger is posed to you.

MyJoe: @JeSoul
Long time and how is you doing?

I'm doing oh sir. We thank God. And you? hope happyness is harrasing you daily. On another subject...you see wetin dey happen with our friends the MB in Egypt? hmm...

I want to attempt the ICAN kweshun.

Can Nigeria change for the better? My short answer is Yes.

Will Nigeria change for the better? My short answer is No.

Chei! Myjoe has summarized in 2 lines what I (thought I) have been trying to say for 7 pages.

For Nigeria to change, you need a top down approach. I agree with plaetton that the problem is bottom up since the leadership don’t drop from outer space.

nodding...agree too.

But the solution cannot be bottom up since it is impossible to get everyone to be good at the same time. It will have to be top down. To those who said the solution lies in business – well, I feel qualified to comment on that, having made three attempts at starting business in Nigeria, two of them unsuccessful and the other successful. Maybe some other time. But I do agree firmly with logicboy and Enigma that the idea that people can simply go back to the land is simplistic.

Seen this article? https://www.nairaland.com/1111613/70-yr-old-farmer-makes-n2m-annually

Farming is not an answer for everyone, I do think it is a viable option for many currently roaming the streets joblessly. And not solely farming for business reasons, but also for self-sustenance. It certainly beats what the vast majority of them are doing now - nothing. And by the way, I feel the need to say "much respect" for being able to start & grow a business in the nigerian landscape...only God knows the amount of hoops & hopskotch you've had to do.

Nigeria is not business friendly.

Ain't that the stonecold hardcore truth.

I have heard people lately saying we should forget about the government and simply embrace entrepreneurship. I think they are living in a parallel world. The government is one huge problem in Nigeria and we can’t just forget about them. Many of the countries that have had devastating civil wars have better infrastructure than Nigeria. Even Somalia where there is no government and DR Congo where the government is of no use are better than Nigeria in many respects. At least, they have stable power supply in Mogadishu and if Deep Sight was in Mogadishu he would have known the score and definitely had one or two bodyguards carrying AK-47s with him in the car.

Yes, it is possible to do business in Nigeria. But it is hard, especially if you don’t have a solid financial background. Let me tell an anecdote to drive home the point. A teenage boy had a fascination with computers - he didn’t have access to them growing up. But one day he managed to attend a roadside computer training school. Then he went on the Internet and discovered business opportunities in affiliate marketing. He decided to purchase a computer so he could work from home and not spend too much on poor service in cybercafés. He had no money for a computer so he took on some afterschool jobs and “worked his a.ss off”. He begged and borrowed from friends and relatives. It took three quarters of a year, but the money was completed and he bought his computer. It took him about a week to realise that to “enjoy” his computer, he needed a UPS, as he kept loosing unsaved work and he was told his hard drive was at risk of crashing if he did nothing about the shock to it resulting from frequent power outage. He managed to buy a UPS. But guess what? The power holding company was fond of supplying “low current” to his place. The UPS brand he bought did not work well with “low current” and the frequent beeping was driving him crazy. He needed a stabilizer. And he bought one. But his problems were not over. The power holding company was getting worse by the day and nothing short of purchasing a generator would save him….

Yes, life is often about facing up to challenges. So some boy will overcome all the above and go on to be successful. Another will crumble and give up and vow never to attempt to start his own business again. Yet another will sell what remains of his computer and UPS and use the proceeds to proceed to a cybercafé for full time “yahoo runs”. I don’t think you or me are in a position to put down the one who gave up and vowed not to do business again as lazy or something like that just because someone else succeeded under the same circumstances. There are complex situations people face – temperament, family wahaha, upbringing, etc. And that, there, is a very small example.

The country is crawling with business opportunities, they say. And it is true, too. When you look around you, you can see these opportunities. But the fact is that if you do not have a strong financial background, nothing for you. First you need millions to buy a big generator. If you are in Lagos, God help you about rental, as that city’s property market has been distorted out of shape by people with stolen government money who buy houses in Victoria Island and Lekki and can leave these houses unoccupied for years while waiting for someone who can pay N10m rents. That is the reality: if you are among the few with N10 to pay for rent and another N10m to splash on generators, you can start a business. It is for these people that Nigeria is crawling with opportunities. Small business? Well, that is a matter for another day, but let’s just quickly say it’s the same problem. The same set of people distorting the property market have their wives and girlfriends leasing shops in upscale shopping malls. When you look at what they pay in rent and do some maths in your head you realise they are not really there for business but for the status of owning a shop at so and so place! The “common man” simply can’t complete. At places like Tejuosho the pro-elite Fashola administration has demolished “common man” shops and they are replacing them with these million naira shops. I personally know a couple of people who lost shops there. One of them, a lady, has joined the large army of those who wait on randy men to get by.

Very well laid out and Logicboy said as much. The last paragraph and bolded bit is something I've always thought about and to hear someone in the know voice it out confirms what I suspected.

Where do you stand in the criticism or praise of what Fashola is trying to do with Lagos?

Ihedinobi: Abi o! Me sef confirm am, lol. But sha I get answer

Lol. Myjoe is one dude I won't ever mess with

hehehehehehehehe......... I go try make I no run

Lol. We cannot lose one of our only 2 'optimists' on this thread . Wia is Enigma? I'd like to see his response to Myjoe's dissertation.

MyJoe: Great thread. Sad thread.

This is an interesting topic – can Nigeria be salvaged? It’s a topic one spends good amounts of time discussing with friends and colleagues. The thread has progressed quite so permit me to first offer some comments on some of the interesting and brilliant perspectives offered so far before stating a few thoughts of my own.

Terrible experience Deep Sight had – a robbing tour of Victoria Island! Nothing shocks me in Nigeria anymore and honestly his story didn’t. Well, since he survived it – thank God! – I think it’s okay to banter about it. One phrase that will stay with me from the write-up is “the boy with the land cruiser” – you know, just like “binders full of women” scored a hit among the Twitterati. I even got someone to translate it into Yoruba for me and I tried to visualise them boys saying “Ma gbagbe lati my bobo kunrin to ni Landcruiser yen wa o”. And I’m still thinking about that Adam’s hammer thing. Anyone here has a clue as to what can be done? I’m thinking poured concrete ceiling, titanium steel doors, hardened iron windows. Where’s InesQor? He would have some ideas.

You know all through the thread a poster here & there spoke about how to re-inforce their homes to protect against such a device...the only thing I could think of was "is this how to live? stowed away behind concrete walls or in a panic room beneath the floor - that you'll have had to hire out-of-town laborers to build for fear of an 'inside-job', constantly under fear? is this really how to live?

The arguments made by logicboy and Enigma are similar – that Nigerians are not necessarily bad people, they are forced by their environment to become bad and even amidst such badness you still get to see a lot of good everyday, sometimes even from the people who do otherwise bad things. There are a lot of tangents to this argument, but I won’t explore them.

And to be honest I don't even disagree with their assessment - my gripe is as you've continued below:

I will break the argument into just two – (i) whether Nigerians are inherently good, and (ii) whether Nigerians are good. I would agree that the majority of Nigerians are inherently good, but I seriously doubt the Nigerians we can classify as good people are the majority.

I used to think that the majority of Nigerians are good, but like JeSoul, things I have seen have forced me to have a rethink. In fact, my exact words to a colleague recently was that “I had given up” on Nigerians and that “nothing good will come of Nigeria”. I apologise to anyone who feels shocked by these statements but they were not lightly made, and note I used the word will, not can.

I don’t want to dwell much on this, and I certainly don’t want to bore you but Wanja’s statement in Ngugi’s Petals of Blood helps explain things. “This world, this Kenya, this Africa knows only one law. You eat somebody or you are eaten. You sit on somebody or somebody sits on you.… Nothing would I ever let for free…. No, I will never return to the herd of victims.”

I think people are driven by a sense of “eat or be eaten”. In an environment such as ours it takes a lot – perhaps, a highly elevated spirit or advanced intellect – to stay above it. It is possible to remain a good person – in fact, lowering your standards or morals is not really an option, but you better be “smart” otherwise people may keep taking advantage of you.

I'd like to explore this - this I think is my main gripe with Ihedinobi. Chris had earlier asked (and I loosely paraphrase) where does the sense of dog-eat-dog come into play in cases like stealing fuel from a rolled over tanker? like the recent story on the homepage of omoniles scamming unsuspecting land buyers? and other cases of mass reactions that were not directly influenced by the "eat or be eaten" concept? the man than jumped the line in front of me, the customs agent that wanted a bribe, the car robbery that we witnessed where the others cars simply 'throwayed' face? I'm having trouble attributing these kinds of behavior to simply the need to survive another dog trying to eat you - or maybe self-preservation is pre-emtive in this case.

Sometimes I think maybe we are just plain dumb as a people. A couple of days ago someone was heaping praises on the Lagos commissioner of police for “working assiduously to route crime” in the city and they were giving an award to the IGP for “pragmatism”. We focus on irrelevant things like titles. We are always organising awards. Whenever anyone who held high office dies they go there and heap praises on him. Yet the country is messed up. Who messed it up? And what about those who steal billions and spend a little of it building churches in an unconscious attempt to bribe God and “make heaven”?

Infact ehn, may your grey matter never loose shade lol. Thanks for pointing this out.

*BRB with my thoughts on JeSoul’s question.*

...that^ was just his introduction oh...