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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:23am On Jan 08, 2018
You said I don't have common sense.. So I had to refer you to what I was making a reference to earlier..That's not a shot.
You have been the one firing all the shots. And you can go on.

forgiveness:
You are still firing a shot but you expect peace. Huh?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:19am On Jan 08, 2018
i dont even know what that means
see you now

forgiveness:
Is gbegiri boys derogatory or not? Answer.

I know you will not answer because I saw you concurred with one who made a derogatory words here.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:12am On Jan 08, 2018
no, i'm now the weakling.. Happy now?

forgiveness:
You had better not remain in your mud as you are know for.

I though you said you are my nightmare because you thought you faced a weakling?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:11am On Jan 08, 2018
okay you can have all the credits for your tribesman building Nairaland okay.
You win, can we move on now?


forgiveness:
You should have quietness don't mean weakness.

Where your stops is someone own start.

When I said you devoid of common sense you think i am joking.

If not, where in my post did you ever see me talk about what my tribesmen does well?

Are you sure you are not in delusion?

Besides, it is good one set a precedings for his children to follow else the bible wouldn't have said so.

Pls, learn.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:09am On Jan 08, 2018
it's okay.. i'm done with that matter.. na ignore mode now.

Kog45:
Jobie you said something very vital which i appreciate,you said you always have better approach to issues every year which mean you always evaluate yourself every end of the year,so don't slide and move on.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:01am On Jan 08, 2018
Sir, I won't get dirty I promise you.
I will leave your fellow tribesmen to put u to order. they know you are way out of hand.

forgiveness:
Do not hide behind people and act like a man.

Who are the everyone save a particular set of tribal bigots like you who doesn't see anything wrong in someone making a derogatory words against a tribe?

Maybe gbegiri boys or save the reputation of your people is a normal routine used by you.

Mr man, face front.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:00am On Jan 08, 2018
sir, this your guy dey yan better kpwan..
He keeps exposing himself day after day.. the problem is we have political/tribal hate forums.. why do some people care to waste their talents here?

Kog45:
My oga when things don settled u wan wake am abi,OK continue d rubble cos i no understand wetin dey vex u now and it seem ya own vex go scatter ground, pls biko let's move on and talk football.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 10:52am On Jan 08, 2018
Thank you my sister..

safarigirl:
okay, this is a lie. Last week, I mentioned here that Iwobi plays woefully for Arsenal, so I don't know how you can claim that only you and Omanbala have called him out when I have done same.

Similarly, when it was claimed on this thread that Iwobi is a new face of SE, overtaking Kelechi, I also said that he had only risen to that level because of his last two games for us, not because of consistency

So, I refuse to be lumped into people who have been blinded to Iwobi's poor performance for Arsenal, however, unlike you, I am not in that group that believes we should be very worried.

Why?

Because if you are worried, who will you replace him with? My problem with you worriers on this thread, is that you have no viable options outside these players, so why should you be worried about something you cannot change?

It is up to Iwobi to determine what kind o performance he puts up in Russia, it is up to him to make a statement in his career....he will be in Russia fo sure, so, why worry about what you cannot change?

If you guys can come up with any alternatives, great! But there are some names on that team that have no alternatives and we should therefore, not unnecessarily stress ourselves with worry, but rather, be positive.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 10:48am On Jan 08, 2018
you can go harder if you want. I've only given you a very good advice.
The day will come when everyone will come hard on you.

Modified
The worse side of me have already been seen on this thread.. As a person, I don't speak like how I speak a year ago. if you were my friend on FB you will see a progressive change in the way I post year after year.. That is growth.

Let me add that what my tribesman does, will never score me any points.
I wonder why people reason like this... huh

forgiveness:
I hope you are well because if you're, you would not spew this gibberish.

Mr man, if anybody makes derogatory words against a whole tribe and your common sense didn't tell you this same platform was created by the same tribe you and your cohort abhor then you must be a lost soul.

Next time don't come here and start giving useless advice because if next you do, I will go harder on you than this.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 9:34am On Jan 08, 2018
Success only made that category because he's been long considered by Rohr just like Bazee. If he doesn't get game time before March he may as well kiss Russia goodbye.

Kog45:
Bazee is getting games but Success is not even making match day squad so different scenario.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 9:25am On Jan 08, 2018
I am saying Iwobi wasn't above criticism here when he played badly for SE. If we can criticize him when he played badly for the SE, it shows he is not viewed as a sacred cow.
Just come out clearly and say what he did against Zambia and Argentina was a fluke, then we can start talking.

Well, I'm only hopeful that he continues with his recent performances for SE. Because he's been that player scoring in crucial moments for us. It's not like the rest of our players have always been consistent. I want us to do well at the World Cup. And that's why I'm on this thread.. I'm not here to play favoritisms.. to protect some players and attack others. My motive is clean. As long as Iwobi can continue to bring that good recent SE form to the table I am okay.


goldfish80:
My point is simple and very plain.
Iwobi haven't been that great for both club and country if we judge his all round round game in 2017.

What he does for Arsenal matters alot in his development. Hypothetically, he finds himself in league 2 he won't be considered for SE. So club form matters in the grand scheme of things. Club form can never be isolated

Iwobi is not above criticism, he has has done nothing to be above criticism. He's neither Messi nor Pele.

Finally, Arsenal fans aren't out to get him because he's Nigerian. All Arsenal fans are not English. The English ones have long forgotten he dropped England for Nigeria. Rob Holden, Walcot, Welbeck were the most heavily criticized yesterday and they are English.
I took my time to type all these because many posters here seem to erroneously think people are out to get Iwobi because he's Nigerian.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:58am On Jan 08, 2018
Ahmed Musa bagged an assist against Argentina. If he does something similar again during the March friendlies, do you think his chances will be slim?
On Awaziem, I'm going by performance in SE colors. He did well against Argentina. If he repeats a similar feat during the March friendlies he would be as well on the plane to Russia.

On Vincent Enyeama (IF), no point replaying this debate. I already put a big IF.
On Kayode, I said "IF in consideration", he has a point to prove. You are saying if Nwakaeme, is then he should be. That's what you say. But you won't be the one handing the invites.

I am not bringing any sentiments to his. When Aina made his debut I hailed him. But since then he's not been impressive for SE. He has a point to prove. I never said he won't make it to Russia.

Bazeee just started to get game time.. Both he and Success are in a similar category. Rohr is interested in both, but something has always stood in their way to joining to the team.. Let's be realistic. They belong to the same class. no sentiments here. Once Success starts to get game time, he will definitely get a call up.

As regards our group chances, let's wait and see.

Echiejile retained his staring place for a long spell due to lack of competition. The situation is very different now.

Kog45:
Good list but read my little inputs.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:42am On Jan 08, 2018
I've already made my point. Iwobi was not great for Arsenal during the period he sent us to the WC and when he scored a double against Argentina. So what is your conclusion on that? So when I say if he keeps performing well for us, that's the context. If you want to judge him by the entire 2017 and say he is not good enough, then what are you suggesting we should do about it?
What is your point really?

goldfish80:
In the entire 2017, he had one good game for the national team. That is not good enough no matter how anybody feels about it.
It is a miscalculation if you think he has been doing well for the SE and his form for Arsenal is negligible. Period
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:30am On Jan 08, 2018
Read my first comment again.
I said i'm fine as long as he keeps doing well for SE.
Why should I judge him by Arsenal standards if he keeps doing for us what he did against Argentina?
it's simple logic. It's not setting the bar low.. It seems like you people want angels to come and play for SE. The reality on ground is that there are few Nigerians getting regular playing time in the big leagues. And there is nothing we can do about that.. Or what solution are you suggesting? You are talking about being over protective of him as if his sponsors are here.. we are just Nairalanders, we don't decide how these players careers go.

When Iwobi was performing badly for SE, many of us here called him out.. Maybe you are referring to another thread where you and Omanbala belong.

goldfish80:
It's not in my head. Myself and Omabala have been the few ones bold enough to call him out for poor performances when the majority have chosen to have a go at Arsenal fans instead of looking at the boy's performance critically.

I find it it ironic that we complain about Nigerian players lack of international recognition in individual awards, but we set the bar very low for the promising ones.
This is exactly what you're doing by ignoring his club form and judging him solely on his last game for the national team a couple of months back.

This is not the way to go if excellence is our aspiration.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:07am On Jan 08, 2018
Cardiff City are set to announce the signing of ex-Watford striker Ogo Obi.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:02am On Jan 08, 2018
Does it not surprise you that his shots are so on point when playing for SE?
There is no logic in complaining about his performances against Algeria in the past etc, when he's done very well in his most recent matches for SE. Judge him by that until he starts performing badly.. When he was doing badly for us, we all called him out here.. nobody is protective of him.. that's just in your head.



goldfish80:
YOu can give him that benefit of doubt, doesn't change the facts. Hopefully, it doesn't blowback in our faces when it matters most since we choose to be over protective.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:33am On Jan 08, 2018
You are as good as your last game for SE.

goldfish80:
But he hasn't been that good for the SE either. Take away the second half against Argentina and the cameo goal against Zambia, he's been flat ever since.

We complained on this thread about his output against Algeria at home and South Africa. His poor display in those 2 games saw him benched for Moses Simon in the Cameroun double header and Zambia decider.

You may choose to turn a blind eye to his below par performances but not all of us have goldfish memory.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:22am On Jan 08, 2018
Forgiveness , please change the broken record. it's overplayed . Else you can open a new thread for that specific purpose.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:13am On Jan 08, 2018
grin

safarigirl:
who dem come buy am for? Girona?

I could have sworn it was said here that Guardiola broke an arm and a leg to get Kayode last minute? Someone claimed that Guardiola had such high regard for Kayode that he simply had to get him into City. Is that not the case?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 7:06am On Jan 08, 2018
Doesn't bother me, as long as he keeps doing a good job for SE.

goldfish80:
By the way, I saw the Arsenal game and Iwobi wasn't impressive. Take away the assist, he was rather flat and lost the ball too much for my liking.

I always saw Alex Iwobi as a guy with decent technical level and eye of a needle pass but he seem to loose the ball and misplace passes too easily these days.
I thought the Latino model he was dating a while back was his distraction but he haven't improved since their break up.

Being a young player, he can certainly find his form later but football does not wait for anyone. With the back in form Wilshere,a recuperating Ramsey and speculations of Lemar/Mahrez or whoever to cushion the loss of Sanchez. Things could get really tight for him.
Hopefully, his uncles gets across to him & told him the gospel truth.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie:
As is stands, these are sure bankers
1. Victor Moses
2. Obi Mikel
3. Kelechi Iheanacho
4. Alex Iwobi
5. Odion Ighalo
6. Leon Balogun
7. Troost Ekong
8. Moses Simon
9. Shehu Abdullahi
10. Wilfred Ndidi
11. Eddy Onazi

If these players can show their relevance again in March friendlies, they are sure bankers
1. Brian Idowu
2. John Ogu
3. Tyronne Ebuehi
4. Ahmed Musa
5. Chidozie Awaziem
6. Kenneth Omeruo
7. Francis Uzoho
8. Vincent Enyeama (IF)

These players still have a lot to prove:
1. Mikel Agu
2. Anthony Nwakaeme
3. Olarenwaju Kayode (IF in consideration)
4. Oghenekaro Etebo
5. Henry Onyekuru
6. Ola Aina
7. Elderson Echiejile

Some players who are not in the team who would get an opportunity to gate crash:
1. Joel Obi
2. Sarenren Bazee
3. Isaac Success

I hope I am not missing any names here

I don't expect it to be an easy pass for Torunarigha, Uduokhai and Akpboguma if they all switch to playing for Nigeria. But one of the trio may make it to Russia.

Our chances:
Nigeria will go past the second round for the first time. That I am sure of. I foresee us stealing a point from the Argentina game.
Iceland will shock one team in the group.
Argentina will get two unfavorable results. you know anything below a win is unfavorable for them.



g0tze:
Let's do away with the bickerings and focus on the task at hand which is the world cup.
I have some important questions to ask.
For instance which players can anyone of you rightly predict will be among the 23 man squard.
Is there a possibility that the super eagles will make it past second round or What are the chances of eagles making it past second round.
goldfish80 TheGoodjoe safarigirl somehow joebie BascoVanveli tbaba1234 OMANBALA1 kog45 Oasis007 icons4 icon79 humility017 terzurum5 i need your thoughts on my question
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 11:36pm On Jan 06, 2018
grin

superbloke:
Have you forgotten Rohr is corrupt? grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 9:24pm On Jan 06, 2018
I have said it here that we should not expect Leicester to play in a way that will favor KC but it’s always the other way round. KC has to fit into the coach’s philosophy, else move on

forgiveness:
Why are you not telling this to those cursing Leicester city's coaches for not playing Iheanacho?

oh! i remember I am among Nigerians full of sentiments.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:40pm On Jan 06, 2018
Sorry to take you in two parts.
Kayode was given a chance. And I’m sure Rohr saw him well enough in camp. Respect the coach’s decision.

forgiveness:
If KC is not doing well in his club but he still gets the chance to play for the SE and 'performs', how do you know Kayode will not perform better in GWG if given the chance though he has not scored 'this' season since club performance is not the yardstick for call into D SE?

You claimed in your first post that Kelechi is perfoming in the GWG hence he deserves to be called but I asked how do you know Kayode will not perform better if given the same CHANCE in the GWG?

Unfortunately, you began with an attack instead of given a more cogent and reasonable answer.


Now, let me ask you, with all the his performances that earned him goals and individual awards that he won last season how many chances was he given to play?

Someone even said Onyekuru performed better than Kayode with the few chances he got. Perhaps, we have forgotten so soon how Kayode snatched the ball and gave a through pass to free Iheanacho on one on one with the goalkeeper against Senegal that salvaged a draw after Iheanacho scored that penalty.

That was even his first match in GWG and he didn't spent up to 15 minutes to rescue a point as a SS.

Is that not performace?

Based on your first question, the reality on ground never favored Kayode because when he performed he was NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVEN A CHANCE and that has rendered the second question inconsequential. EOD

However, where did you read me make case for Kayode to be called? I hope u no dey drink maya dey take read my post oooo? grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:35pm On Jan 06, 2018
You are not being logical.
There are many what IFs.
It makes no sense to drop a player who is performing for your team just on the ground that he is not performing for his club.

If we go by club performance, we will not have a team. However a player have to earn his invite either by club performance or SE performance. Kayode is a striker. He needs to score first. Today I don’t support Tammy because he is not performing. KC is ahead of Tammy, because he is in the team and has shown he is relevant. You can as well make an excuse for every player with your What Ifs



forgiveness:
If KC is not doing well in his club but he still gets the chance to play for the SE and 'performs', how do you know Kayode will not perform better in GWG if given the chance though he has not scored 'this' season since club performance is not the yardstick for call into D SE?

You claimed in your first post that Kelechi is perfoming in the GWG hence he deserves to be called but I asked how do you know Kayode will not perform better if given the same CHANCE in the GWG?

Unfortunately, you began with an attack instead of given a more cogent and reasonable answer.


Now, let me ask you, with all the his performances that earned him goals and individual awards that he won last season how many chances was he given to play?

Someone even said Onyekuru performed better than Kayode with the few chances he got. Perhaps, we have forgotten so soon how Kayode snatched the ball and gave a through pass to free Iheanacho on one on one with the goalkeeper against Senegal that salvaged a draw after Iheanacho scored that penalty.

That was even his first match in GWG and he didn't spent up to 15 minutes to rescue a point as a SS.

Is that not performace?

Based on your first question, the reality on ground never favored Kayode because when he performed he was NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVEN A CHANCE and that has rendered the second question inconsequential. EOD

However, where did you read me make case for Kayode to be called? I hope u no dey drink maya dey take read my post oooo? grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 5:58pm On Jan 06, 2018
You talk like that because you are sentimental. you don’t invite by comparison. You invite by reality on ground. If you are a coach and a player in your team is performing, will you drop him? Second question, if you were a coach, and a striker is still struggling to score his first goal for club, would u invite him? Consider the questions separately.

forgiveness:
If KC is not doing well in his club but he still gets the chance to play for the SE and 'performs', how do you know Kayode will not perform better in GWG if given the chance though he has not scored 'this' season since club performance is not the yardstick for call into D SE?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:50am On Jan 06, 2018
The point is KC is performing for SE. That will keep him in SE until he starts to underperform. You don't have a case for Kayode's inclusion.
He hasn't scored. He is a striker. I am team performance.

forgiveness:
grin So, what do you except him to do in a situation he his not happy with his team mates?

If it is about performance he has done better than Iheanacho by far this season though he has no goals to his credit but his MOTM and his inclusion in the la liga team of the week speaks for him.

When I saw his expression in his club's last match, it was glaring he was not happy with his team mates. I understand because in most of the matches he played he would have scored if his team mates plays along with him but they would rather balloon the ball to the crowd than pass to him eventhough he was the one that worked the chances.


So, if it is about performance you think you can shade him then you're on a long thing because he did performed.


However, any player that wants to show his worth will not be content with reserve matches or warming the bench.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:46am On Jan 06, 2018
grin
na wa oh..
Kog45:
icon4s baba just seen Komne and forgiveness laughing now,it seems guys are now saying championship is better than Dutch and Belgium top league just cos of Bristol interest in Kelechi Iheanacho.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:45am On Jan 06, 2018
lol Kelechi is having a bad run in the EPL. Why is no EPL club interested in him? Bristol interest in Kelechi doesn't make the Championship great.
However, KC is doing well in SE colors.. That's the point.
forgiveness:
Hahahaha! No be small laugh oooo. If na Ajagun try am dem go say he is not good enough. grin

People's eyes don't dey clear now about wetin I don't dey harmer 4 tey tey. grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:42am On Jan 06, 2018
you are saying the obvious, which I've already implied. You can't change our way overnight.

OMANBALA1:
Guy, we can afford to have a natural pitch , all you need are sprinklers and lawn mower. Nigerians are just lazy and lack innovation.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:49am On Jan 06, 2018
I think we need more artificial turfs since we don't have a strong maintenance culture. At least that is a temporary solution. We need to fix our value system.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:44am On Jan 06, 2018
You have said it all

Danycrusoe:
those videos are that of the NNL and basically NNL doesn't drive much supporters like the NPFL, I v gone to stadiums to watch both and I can tell u u can get at least 3k in any I NPFL match centre but u would struggle to get 500 at any NNL match centre.

Generally I still think publicity for our league is low, both on broadcast media and social media and the club's themselves are to blame I know some twitter handles of NNL and even NPFL sides that wouldn't update their page for their next match and they would only do so days after the last match.

I think the point above is y NPFL gets more crowd than NNL cuz the publicity the former gets is more higher than the latter.

the first thing to do is PUBLICISE the league, I believe this will bring fans. I never knew I had a course mate who had interests in the local leagues until I told him ikorodu United were playing Go round at the gateway stadium that Sunday. I was surprised he asked me not to forget to remind him whenever I'm leaving for the stadium and we went together.

Now imagine the number of fans who would v gone to see the games if only they knew.

but then I v a cousin who despite my preachings never followed me to the Osogbo township stadium to see osun united play he x aware of the league but he has a bad perception of it. now how do u convert this kind of a person? u need to repackage and increase the volume of publicity. there is this theory that no matter how poor a media content is "constant and consistent exposure of it to media users will make them get used and make it interesting to them".

my cousin always use the South African league as an example he has said it v4 that he would rather pay 5k to subscribe to dstv and watch the SA psl than spend 100naira to get a cab to watch NNL n NPFL matches at the stadium.

long story short, let's repackage the league we can start with the NTA deal advertise upcoming games with colourful graphics and the best goals from previous match centres like the epl does. I'm 90% sure if dx x done for at least 2 seasons there would be massive increase in followership of the league

let the publicity be consistent even when there is no match until weekend. on TV, Radio (the radio stations even do more of this than TV and newspapers ) and newspapers

Security should be increased then the quality of play should improve.

if u doubt that there x still interest in the league watch MFM home games on YouTube from 2016, watch Rangers etc even Remo stars had more fans that I tot. I saw vip stand with 500naira tickets filled, some brought their families.

during my visit to a remo stars home game, I heard a guy say at the popular side stand that "this is our league, this I can spend my money to watch not a league where my existence is not known to them". u v to see dx guys discuss about Abiola babe's, gateway united etc

Many are willing to come but they need a little PUSH and conviction

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