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damogul:Lol, l wonder why they also think this way. Muslims generally are usually the ones who bring up such arguments to justify the acts of Muhammed, but l fail to see what the atheists want to achieve with this. |
dalaman:Jesus hardly gave any law, he rather loved teaching, most of his teachings surprisingly unlike those of any other rabbi in those days were stories that applied to the people and their present environment, the readers who have the spirit of christ could then interpret the stories and have a shift in paradigm, from there ethics are influenced generally. This is the christian style. |
dalaman:I agree, the more we gain knowledge on the negative effects of child marriage, the more we see why it is wrong. But even if Christians happened to live with Jews in those days and still practiced child marriage, they would still be wrong, irrespective of their ignorance. Do you agree with this premise? |
Born2Freak:The girl would not have agreed to that, if she had not being brainwashed by her religion and society, the first thing is to debrainwash her by preaching Christ to her and then make her see that she has been bought with a price, her body is the temple of God and then make her see the devastating consequences of such early marriage on her body. Isn't that good enough? |
dalaman:If the Jews married children off, that doesn't mean Christians should do same. Christians have Jewish foundation but are not Jews, hence are not obliged to live by that code. We are not to live by the old testament, but it is for our correction and learning, it shows our foundation and describes the heroes of faith, but it was exclusive. Christ has taught us the general code that would in turn embrace all cultures, love thy neighbor as thyself, and like Williams said he obviously had a high regard for little children. If you are a girl you would hardly want to be married off at the age of twelve. But ancient cultures had little regard for the girl child, so why should they care about her feelings? |
youngestland:I think you miss the point here, Christianity does not say morals are gotten from the bible, afterall the laws were not always there at least before the time of Moses. The new testament speaks of Agape love, if we love the young woman via Agape love we would put ourselves in her shoes, we wouldn't hurt a girl at puberty, by marrying her off at that age, so by love and the golden rule, societies can set up moral laws which they would agree to. The question we ask the atheists is why is this Agape love or Golden rule the objective yardstick for our ethics? The atheists could then appeal to evolution saying evolution has taught us that love is necessary for the survival of our species, some other atheists like Nietzsche would disagree and insist on Nihilism. Christians have in their scripture that God is Love, therefore Love is the ultimate. Christians(wrong or not) have something objective to appeal to in the making of our laws, the atheists would only have subjective arguments. For if we are guided by evolution then there is no reason why evolution should lead us to this path, and even if it does we are ultimately stardust, it doesn't matter anyway so why should Nietzsche agree with you? |
youngestland:The Bible in the book of Romans says even the gentiles who do not have the law instinctively obey it by their conscience, they are a law unto themselves, it also says the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, etc against these there is no law. Come on, l thought you atheists were former Christians? how come you don't know these things? Or you hated Sunday school? |
Presbulg:No pastor, l repeat no pastor who is learned would ever leave Christianity. Let them continue to deceive themselves. |
Empiree:Really First of all it is stupid to say a book is divine because it has no discrepancy. My science test book has no discrepancy, Shakespeare has no discrepancy. But even if l agree with this false premise, still the quran has lots of discrepancies that even your scholars had to explain them away by the rule of abrogration. I would start with a few...lt is they who have lost their own souls that they would not believe. Quran 6v12. No soul can believe except by the will of Allah. Quran 10v100. Is this a contradiction or not? One verse says no soul can believe except by Allah's will, another said some are responsible for the damnation of their soul because they did not believe. Should Jews and Christians fear the last day? Surah 3v19 or they should not? Surah 2v62. There are more coming, one at a time, just begin with these. |
Empiree:So you are using the Quran to confirm the Quran? Why do you believe what the Quran states? |
Empiree:Lol, so are you telling me if Daddy G.O or the Pope converts then Islam is from God? I simply don't get your reasoning here or you are just being damn right funny mehn. Many Muslims also give their life to Christ, a simple Google search would make this clear. Islam is so insecure that the moment a pope or pastor converts or even praise Islam, they see it as confirmation. It seems to me they think if pastors and popes who know it all could convert then Islam must be true, because they equate this men to be thesame as christian scholars(which is not usually the case anyway). But this is not how it works in Christianity especially with pastors, Pastors have made many mistakes and some have done evil, popes in the past have also done terrible things. So their conversion to any other god mean nothing. Check wikiislam testominies to see how many Muslims convert to Christianity even your imams, all of these mean nothing to me and doesn't make Christianity true. What you should be concerned about is the reason the person gives for converting, does it hold water? |
Cutting hands and feet, having sex with slave girls as booty from war, fighting holy war, stoning to death or flogging people, all these are barbaric practices that may have been okay for the Muslims in the 7th century but not in the 21st century, this shows that Islam cannot guide humanity for all time. This is the fact. True, l condemn any who would lie just to paint Islam bad, but there are some undeniable facts about Islam. Muslims just shove these things by accusing the media without facing the real issues. The major problem with Islam is hadith and Quran, not media. |
Presbulg:The fact is that the Muslims can hardly take criticism compared to Christians, l see it as the Hallmark of delusion. This could be due to fact that apart from fear of being killed by his Muslim brothers, Allah has so threatened the believers with the fear of hell that they find it hard to at least doubt their head for a while even if they trust their heart. This is disaster, a mental slavery. Know the truth so that you can be set free. Go now and pick up that Quran, read it with a critical mind, it did not fall from the sky. |
crusadistic:Hmmm, is that the best you can do? I'm disappointed. This is the reality brother, deal with it. |
crusadistic:Like l said somewhere else, the Christians do question their Bible much more than the Muslims question their Quran. The Quran is much more sacred in Islam and you don't just read it the way you like, Muslims believe they need the hadith to explain a supposed word of God. Many still believe the Quran is undiluted magic and miracle, those who can't speak Arabic rely on their imams and Tasfirs hence it is clear that the delusion in Islam is unparalleled in the history of religion, they take brainwashing to another level. If there was no protestant reformation, Christianity would still be much more unified, but now every Tom, Dick and Harry reads the bible for themselves, then moves on with their interpretation. I do not like atheism, but l read their comments sometimes to entertain myself. Islam has no scholarly depth, it has the simplicity of early Arabia and ethically it cannot be compared to Christianity, it has done much terrible things to the world like Christianity but at thesame time does not come close to the positive effects Christianity has had on the world. Also it is clear to every right thinking person that ethically Muhammed cannot be the most perfect example for our world today. And the Quran which permits the beating of wives and marrying of slave girls cannot be God's final message to humanity. The God of Christianity still speaks, the God of Islam reveals a final message and prophet, then died. Note also that religion is hardly mentioned in the bible because Christianity's focus is in building your spiritual man, Islam is focused on what religion is right which is very simplistic and childish. Any question? |
hopefulLandlord:What about calling atheists on Nairaland intelligent people? Is that better? Nah l don't think so. |
WORDWORLD:But wait, if someone says Muhammed married a 9yr old child according to your hadiths,or that Quran permits beating of wives, or some cruel punishment such as the cutting of hands and feet, which are barbaric and outdated, how is this equivalent to bad mouthing Islam? Call a spade a spade. |
lustychima:Yeah you are right, though this has not always being the case which is rather unfortunate and contrary to the spirit of Christianity. |
Presbulg:And what does it entail? Tell me something special about Islam please? Why does it appeal to you? Because Muslims just make noise but l do not really see what they are bragging about. |
WORDWORLD:Come on man, do you know there are scientists who vouch for Hindu scriptures today? Even some try to show that science and the bible are compatible. This proves nothing, my point is that Islam is stuck with the Quran as the verbatim word of God and this is an irrational dogma. For example in surah 4v34 Quran gives you permission to beat your wife as the last resort if she is stubborn, this is an outdated code, but Muslims have no choice, tell me is this a good thing? Muhammed slept with a 9year old girl and Muslims today try to follow the footsteps of the prophet even when the world is moving on, the reason you make up excuses for these problems in Islam is the brainwashing just like cloudgodess insinuated also. |
WORDWORLD:So why would someone deliberately choose hellfire when he his convinced of the truth himself? Maybe he had to pay lip service just to protect his life, Muhammed was capable of anything. Remember that your God dedicated a whole surah in his supposed final book into telling us how muhammed's uncle would suffer in hellfire, both he and his wife, just for not believing in muhammed's nonsense. |
WORDWORLD:That some concepts are confusing to us or mysterious does not make Christianity false, that is why Jesus made the prayer in John 17v3, This is life eternal that they may know you and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. Knowing God is a process, Christians try to understand God via the Trinity and other means which is a mysterious concept but does not make Christianity false. Islam on the other hand is a limited religion stuck in the mentality of 7th century Arabia with a combination of some outdated Judaic codes of conduct and plagiarism from some christian sects in arabia,. Islam is very immature compared to Christianity. |
WORDWORLD:I can see you are also brainwashed like the other Muslims to think the Quran is not full of contradiction and errors, Quran also has thesame story of Adam and eve as well as the creation of the world in some days, it speaks of the seven heavens as well which the ancients believed in, it says a man found the sun set in murky waters, there are also contradictions in the surahs such that even your scholars tells us verses have been abrogated. One verse says Christians and Jews would enter heaven another contradicts it, are there six days of creation or 8 days? Of course you would make excuses for all these just like many Christians also have their theories of what you call contradictions. Ask yourself if Quran is from God then why does it need volume of hadiths to explain it? Why is it not clearly detailed and why are your scholars confused. The moment you approach the Quran with a free mind without the preconceived notion of it being the word of God the closer you get to rejecting it. And FYI the French scientists Burcallie is not one you can trust, why has he not renounced catholism for Islam if all what he says are true, have you read the criticism of his article on Islam or you just prefer the one sided stories, such people want to please Islam as they see Islam as the oppressed religion. |
WORDWORLD:The question you fail to ask yourself is this..why do Christians question their bible more than the Muslims question the Quran? Is it because the bible is more stupid than the Quran? Nay! Most of the stories atheists deride in the bible that leads them away from the bible are also in the Quran, the difference is the level of brainwashing in Islam. It is rare to find a Muslim who looks at the Quran critically and objectively. Even today we have many christian scholars who look at the bible critically, not so in the Muslim world, they are more interested in stating what is haram. If Muslims use their brains the way they should, many would abandon islam. The ones who use their brain in the Islamic world cannot speak out for fear of being killed. There are many closet atheists in Iran and saudiarabia. Killing of apostates is also sanctioned by the hadiths. The Islamic world needs her own enlightment but that would be at the expense of the Quran which Muslims exalt so much to their detriment. |
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WORDWORLD:Christianity is dogmatic, unfortunately much more than it should be but still gives you room to use your brain. But Islamic dogma is so original to Islam such that before Muhammed died he made his Allah to state that Islam has been perfected, this means the Quran is the verbatim word of God and nothing can be added to it. Therefore if a Muslim reads the Quran and for instance doubts that prophet suleiman could talk to ants, on that day he ceases to be a Muslim, but there are christians who doubt many stories in the bible, such as the pope who says Adam and eve are not literal figures. Some Christians who come to this conclusion become atheist, others keep their Christianity. This is impossible with Islam. However to answer the OP, my point is that the Muslims seem to be very sure of what they are doing because Islam is more dogmatic but this dogmatism stifles the religion. Also note that many Muslims do not read their Quran to question it or understand it, they are only captivated by the Arabic rhymes as they memorize it from childhood. |
Only a Muslim would post this rubbish. Gospel of Barnabas is a forgery from the 13th century, thesame gospel claimed Jesus is not the messaiah. No Muslim would agree with that but still they parrot this gospel of Barnabas nonsense. Smh. |
There are reasons for this and not because Islam is a better religion all round. Ethically christianity is better than Islam, but theologically it is a more complex religion than Islam. The reason is simple, Jesus did not define a new religion, there's nothing in the gospels that lays down the tenets of a new religion like we have with the shahadah or five pillars. Jesus did not ask his followers to memorize his words or complete them in a book like we have with the Quran, hence Christianity could always evolve, change and adapt. Islam on the other hand is well defined, everything is spelt out in the Quran, hence they have less sects than Christianity, but this is also a danger as Islam is stuck in the 7th century. I would say that Christianity is more confusing and complex than Islam but in the end allows for more variety and free thinking, this is why we have protestants, humanists, catholics, etc. There have always being many sects in Christianity from its foundation, the catholics did all they could to keep Christendom as one, they used the threat of hell to threaten the barbarians and this preserved Europe for a time, but it was futile in the end. |
Elohim1:Maybe you mistake Hinduism for Buddhism. There's a slight difference between both.The Buddha did not make belief in God a tenet of the religon nor did he say the universe is God. This is irrelevant anyway to the discussion, my initial argument was that there are sects of Buddhism which now inculcate the God belief especially as practiced in many regions of Japan and China, hence those countries do not practice the original atheistic Buddhism as the OP would have us believe. |
jojosweet:Yeah, he should count it all joy. |
IBROHIM:But even common sense is enough to tell us that this passage is not literal na, for example in what way does your right hand cause you to sin? Also remember Jesus was a man full of many stories and proverbs. |
This is what is called atheist persecution, lol. Trials and temptation of your faith my brother. |
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First of all it is stupid to say a book is divine because it has no discrepancy. My science test book has no discrepancy, Shakespeare has no discrepancy. But even if l agree with this false premise, still the quran has lots of discrepancies that even your scholars had to explain them away by the rule of abrogration. I would start with a few...