₦airaland Forum

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=263218.msg3804362#msg3804362 date=1241103027]Not in one line did I infer what you're alleging. Please don't make accusations that you cannot defend, thank you.[/quote]You and i know that my statement is factual as there are several staements you made in that regard in previous threads on tithes we debated in, however i don't have the energy to start another debate with you on this topic since you have already made up your mind to ignore the biblical truths on this issue. I still love you all the same

@ttalks
Trust me pilgrim.1 knows the truth about tithing and she knows christians are not under obligation to follow the law talkless of tithe, however she is for reasons best known to her obessed about this tithing thingy so she consistently strecthes the truth and misrepresent facts just to justify the obsolete practise of tithing. She already admitted on previous threads that she agrees that christians are not under the law, i wonder why she is trying to insinuate that christians should up hold the law now.

Check The Verses and See What Small Mistakes Can Cost in Life



A Baker was asked to print 1st John 4:18 on a wedding cake and he forgot and printed John 4:18
1st John 4:18 reads "There is no fear in love; but perfect love cast out fear: because fear has torment.
He that fears is not made perfect in love.
John 4:18 reads "For you have had five husbands; and he whom you now have is not your husband.
What would you do if you were the owner especially realizing the mistake on your wedding day?

Check The Verses and See What Small Mistakes Can Cost in Life



A Baker was asked to print 1st John 4:18 on a wedding cake and he forgot and printed John 4:18
1st John 4:18 reads "There is no fear in love; but perfect love cast out fear: because fear has torment.
He that fears is not made perfect in love.
John 4:18 reads "For you have had five husbands; and he whom you now have is not your husband.
What would you do if you were the owner especially realizing the mistake on your wedding day?
Be blessed and remember small mistakes are not all that small.

AAAAHHHHHHHH My darling Pilgrim.1 is back miss ya but i won't comment on any of your submissions i believe i have shared enough with you about the biblical truths as per tithing

Yes, there is no biblical mandate that you must marry in church or be married by a pastor. We have just allowed our ourselves to be brain washed into thinking church wedding is compulsary. It certainly does not have any biblical basis.

I am sure Sir Alex and his whole squad of scummies would be shitting bricks by now. Our guns have been rolled out and we would definitely be firing on all cylinders

Romans 16:17-18:

17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught.[paul, the other apostles and our lord Jesus never taught tithing] Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

Evidently tithing is one of the contrary things to the teachings of the apostles that we are being warned about in this passage, it goes on to tell us that people that preach such things are only after their own personal interest[of course we know the beneficiaries of tithes]

2 Peter 2:3:
3 In their greed these fasle preachers would make up clever lies[like tithes, seed sowing and first fruit] to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.


Jeremiah 8:8-10:


8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
when your preachers have twisted it by writing lies?[i.e twisting the meaning and practise of biblical tithes]
9 These wise teachers will fall
into the trap of their own foolishness,
for they have rejected the word of the Lord.
Are they so wise after all?
10 I will give their wives to others
and their farms to strangers.
From the least to the greatest,
their lives are ruled by greed.
Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
They are all frauds.


The bible as said it all, need i say more

Angels were presented as having a physical nature in the bible and not as spirit beings, if that is the case they must have had a physical means of transportation. To assume we are alone in this universe which consists of trillions of planets would be simply propestorous. The question i would like to ask is where is heaven? does it have a physical or spiritual existence? The bible records that prophet Elijah was physically transported there in a chariot of fire. Could chariot of fire be the ancient israelites way of describing a space rocket as chariots were the only vehicles know to them then.

todak:
Kunle, I see, you are fooloing your self, and no one else, i did not reply your post cos feel nausiated when i read your post. it make me feel like vommiting, well thank God for people like ud4u, God cannot be mocked and whatsoever a man soweth, that he shall reap, also the bible says lay up your treasure where no moth or thief can get to it. You need to pray for better understanding of the bible and not carnally give it an interpretation, the verses you quoted in hebrews do not condemn tithing. so you are yet to answered my question. Mr. Kunle

if you choose to tithe purely out of free wil then you are in order but if you are tithing based on law then you are in grave danger of being cut off from christ.

So says Kunle's Bible.

At least i have done my bit a reveal the truth to you, if you decide to remain in bondage and keep yourself under the yoke of tithing coupled with all the curses attached to it despite the fact that the bible clearly anulls it's practise for christians in Hebrews 7:11&18(wether you like it or not ) that is your problem but remember the bible says in the book of John that the truth would set you free [John 8:32:32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.] . The bible also says people perish for lack of knowledge, it is my prayer that you come to the true knowledge of the word so that you and others can be be set free from this bondage.

@Post
Checkout these threads to learn more what the bible says about tithes

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113108.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-203250.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-242199.0.html

dgreatrock:
@REPLIES
please, these are all what we know, are there no new thing the church can do?

Maybe they should start doing what they were ordained to do in the bible in the first place and that is taking care of the needy and helping the poor with all the tithes and offerings they collect as the early christian churches did.

Some pastors have recommended "faithfull" paying of tithes to ensure things would not be tight for you during the meltdown.

Image123:
Kunle,I'm doing fine.thanks. The passage doesn't seem to indicate/specify the male gender now,anybody fit get relatives

Well it's depend on the version of the bible you are reading other versions of the bible makes it clear it the message was directed at men, check out these other translations:

1 Timothy 5:8:

   8But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of[b] his[/b] own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
King James Version (KJV) 

1 Timothy 5:8:
8If anyone fails to provide for his relatives, and especially for those of his own family, he has disowned the faith [by failing to accompany it with fruits] and is worse than an unbeliever [who performs his [/b]obligation in these matters].
Amplified Bible (AMP)

   
1 Timothy 5:8:
8But if anyone does not provide for [b]his [/b]own, and especially for those of[b] his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Image123:
Seems this thread is powered by solar,not phc? I just checked on it after a longwhile.really convoluted,almost got me discombobulated. ahah. Sorry to bother you pastors o,someone said that the bible says that 'men ought to provide for their wives and children'.as harmless and traditional as that seems,I don't recall seeing that in my Bible.please where is that passage?sorry for the 'tiny' digress?'

How now? I hope you are growing in the knowledge of the word.
I believe this is the passage you need:

1 Timothy 5:8:

8 But those who won’t care for their relatives, especially those in their own household, have denied the true faith. Such people are worse than unbelievers

OLAADEGBU:
I am happy to hear that you only strictly stand for the gospel truth, but this truth is not a concept that has been distorted by the "church" but He is a Person (Jesus Christ) who is willing to dwell inside you and only after this will He by the Holy Spirit interprete the Scriptures (66 books of the Bible) as you willingly allow Him to teach you.

Whilst my understanding of scripture(word of God) is not limited to the 66 books of the bible since it was not divinely compiled, i believe that a lot of chrisitans are being led astray by the church due to the misplaced priorities of the church leadership and the selfish human nature. As i have always said Jesus made it very clear that the most important commandment was to love others. This comandment was the central ndoctrine of the early christian church. it was what was responsible for all the charitable and good deeds carried out by the early church. Church collections then were for the needy, but today most churches merely pay lip service to this most important commandment which should a cardinal focus of the church. They claim church tithes and offerings is meant for running the church and spreading the gospel only. Occasionally to assuage their conscience they do some paltry charitable activities and make noise about it. Christianity is not just about personal salvation but more also about selfless love for others. The passage below captures properly how we should primarily practicalize our christian lives, unfortunately this instructions are mostly being ignored by the church and christians today and that is why i feel so pained about the practice of christianity today and i have a negative attitude towards the church leadership cos i beleive they are not leading us rightly.


James 1:27:
27 Pure and genuine religion/worship in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

OLAADEGBU:
Thanks for the compliments.   It is also high time you dumped The Da Vinci Code(Deception) into the fiction bin of forgetfulness.

I have never and would never subscribe to the da vinci code, as far as i am concerned it is only a fiction of the imagination of a criminally inspired fiction story teller who is out to profit from controversy that always sorrounds religious works. I stand strictly for the truth that is inherent in the true gospel of Jesus christ which unfortunately as been distorted by the church which is meant to preserve it.

lagerwhenindoubt:
@tonye-t

please be practical,  why do you think Jesus Walked the river Jordan.!? There was a meltdown and boat fares were up as NUPENG continued on their 8-day strike

ROFLMAO      

lagerwhenindoubt:
@tonye-t

please be practical, why do you think Jesus Walked the river Jordan.!? There was a meltdown and boat fares were up as NUPENG continued on their 8-day strike

ROFLMAO

@OLAADEGBU
Nice write up, for the first time i agree with your submissions. This is a clearly sound intellectual annd reasonable submission devoid of dogma and copy / paste which you have a notoriety for.

I really can't wait for us to get past these numbskulls _{neccessary irritation} and get our pound of flesh against barca in rome. UCL trophy here we come

saturnjay:
Barca 1 Vs Chelsea 3

who is this deluded freak

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=256484.msg3772056#msg3772056 date=1240515111]haha you read KunleOshobs post and took his words. Back it up pls.[/quote]The post you are reffering to in the above statement is NOT my post. And for the record, even though i might have one or two reservations about the catholic church, i would never condemn them. I actually think the catholic church is much better than most of these pentecostal jamborees they call churches

The poster is probably into idol worship as he seems to be idolizing these men/woman

@debosky
Most of our preachers preach tithe from malachi 3:8-10 and preach it as compulsary based on the law (which is what i am against) if they preach it as free will then i would not have a problem with it, My submission that those who tithe out of compulsion based on the law are cutting themselves out of grace according to galatians 5:4 still stands. The Abraham example you gave is not not valid as it has no semblance to the tithes being extorted from xtians today neither was anyone directed to follow abraham's example. if you choose to tithe purely out of free wil then you are in order but if you are tithing based on law then you are in grave danger of being cut off from christ. This is the truth all christians must know, pastors in their greed are not telling the whole truth about tithes

solosimple:
Are they preacher of the GOSPEL?
can someone pls tell me, are they good examples we can follow?

Nope they are all business men out to make a killing out of the gullibility of the sheeple

morpheus24:
Who said "Tupac" was an unbeliever. He just don't believe in the systematic gold digging of the CHURCH!

He certainly was not living the life of a christian judging from his lifestyle and the type of songs he sang. Hence i called him an unbeliever

ud4u:
KunleOshob and his cohorts, I have some questions for you.

First and foremost, are there still Priests in this generation? And in your church, do you have a Priest or Pastor etc as you chose to call them?
If yes, they are the Livites of this generation, and if you don’t have any, then don’t pay your tithe.

There were strict rules guarding levites and who could be a priest in those days and not just anyboby like we have in your pentecostal church could qualify. That aside the only reason why the levites were allowed to partake of the tithes was becos they were not allowed to own any property in the land of Israel. Therefore if your mordern day "levites" want to eat of the tithes, they must give up the right to own any property. That is apart from the fact that the levitical priest hood which included tithing has been anulled (hebrew7: 11,12 &18)

ud4u:
Thirdly, have you ever sing Abraham blessings are mine before?

If yes, denounce it and ask God for forgiveness because Abraham is not your direct Father and you cannot inherit his blessings. As priest of these days are not Levites of the old, so it is applicable that the whole promises for the children of God in the Old Testament is not for you.

Those who are claiming Abraham's blessings are only fooling themselves as they can NEVER have the same blessings as Abraham. Abraham's blessings are unique and would not be duplicated for any man. God made the father of several nations (Israelites, Arabs, palestinians e.t.c) none of you would ever become the father of one village so stop deluding yourselves. 

ud4u:
The last but not the least, is there any punishment for those that pay tithe?

Yes there is punishment for tithing, by accepting to tithe you are placing yourself under the devourer's(any time you are unable to tithe) curse also you are cutting yourself away from the grace of christ. Galatians 5:4:
4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law[tithe], you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace. those of us who don't tithe have the grace of God which is sufficient for us. We are not trying to "bribe God" with puny little inconsequencial, nonsensical and unrequired pitance called tithes. 

ud4u:
If there is none, then leave people to appreciate their God in their tithe and offering. I can only avoid that which I know is sin before God, giving your tithe is not a sin, so what is the controversy all about. Even if the pastor are mismanaging it, is only God that will judge them, my own is that I have done my part by sowing in the Lords vineyard and have received my blessing. Because is more blessed to give than to receive.

I don’t know the denomination you are in, in my church; we have full time workers, and they are been paid, we have the poor in our mist and they are been taken care of, we open new branches all over the world and Pastors and Evangelist are been posted to such places all these things needs money. So there are many things to do with money in the house of God.

Remember righteousness is the key to the kingdom of God, so if you pay your tithe and do not live a righteous life, heaven is not sure for you. Because our good will cannot save us, rather is righteousness.

Let's even assume your church genuinely needs the money and they use it judiciously does that justify why a christian church which should always stand for the truth should deceive it's members into parting with their money(by twisting the bible meaning and use of tithes) whilst spreading a dangerous heresy which could cut off the church memebers from the grace of God.

@ray
very well spoken written.

It's quite sad that the truth is coming out of the mouth of an unbeliever whilst our mordern day pharisees who should be telling us the truth are dwelling in hyprocrysis and taking advantage of fellow christians.