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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Pay Their Instrumentalists? by KunleOshob(m): 11:21am On Oct 16, 2010

^^^
Why would a true christian want to copy right a christian song or book huh

I thought we are all supposed to be engaged in spreading the gospel free. Why should someone who claims to be a christian want to profit from spreading the gospel or singing ongs to praise God. What really is the motive of this people? The traders and money changers outside the church in Jrusalem that Jesus whipped were not half as bad as these our mordern day merchandizers of the gospel. The scripture below speaks about those who merchandize the gospel. the bible describes them all as false prophets.
2 Peter 2:1-3:

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

@joagabje the scripture above also addresses your mentor who is fond of merchandizing virtually everything in the gospel from ROR to fake miracles to firstfruits to partnership offerings to seed sowing e.t.c e.t.c e.t.c

Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by KunleOshob(m): 10:50am On Oct 16, 2010

SirJohn:
So whats the criteria for attendance this year? N50,000? 100,000?
joagbaje/donnie are you guys sure you qualify??

@sirjohn
could you enlighten us more on what IPPC is and why they have to pay to attend the jamboree?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Pay Their Instrumentalists? by KunleOshob(m): 5:48pm On Oct 15, 2010

Well if i was an instrumentalist in a church were the pastor is rewarding himself handsomely and living an exhubirant lifestyle, i would make sure i charge well for my services, monkey can't be woking whilst baboon is chopping alone. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by KunleOshob(m): 4:32pm On Oct 14, 2010

I really don't understand why "christians" would be trying to force what is not in the bible in to it. The bible is crystal clear on who Jesus Christ is, it is heretic to try and make him to be what he NEVER claimed o be.

Christianity Etc › Re: "unholy Tithes/gifts" Why Are Pastors N Clergymen Accepting It ? by KunleOshob(m): 11:12am On Oct 14, 2010

Zikkyy:
I want to agree with you here Jo, the pastor is not expected to stand by the offering/collection box to verify and approve the source of incoming contributions/offerings. This cannot be easily achieved.

Even though it would be difficult to achieve, pastors are morally bound to teach memebers against making illicit money and worse still using such abominable money as an offering to God. However this is not the case in a number of these churches. CEC for example is notorious for receiving stolen money from it's members an they constantly put their members under pressure to give money to them at all cost, this puts the mebers under pressure and pushes so of them to commit crimes just to give to the church. And we are all witnesses to how pastor agabje has defended this wicked act several times on this forum

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Pay Their Instrumentalists? by KunleOshob(m): 11:01am On Oct 14, 2010

It is only in ~~commercialized~~ pentecostal churches that this practise of paying instrumentalist goes on, you won't find it happening in the more decent churches. I once overheard a pastor complain about the high cost of paying instrumentalist in churches theses days, i was shocked cos prior to then i had though they did it as a voluntary service to glorify God. I asked him why he had to pay instrumentalist, his response was that if you don't pay them well another chrch like House on the rock[Paul Adefarasin] would snatch all your good instrumentalist by attracting them with better wages. And when you don't have good ~~entertainment~~ music in the church you would loose your members to other churches who can provide the members with better quality music. It then occured to me that it was just a strategic business practise, its just about providing quality customer service to their ~~customers~~ to retain their patronage and enusre the revenue keeps streming in, its all about competition amongst competing ~~businesses~~ churches.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Pay Their Instrumentalists? by KunleOshob(m): 10:51am On Oct 14, 2010

martyns303:
Anybody can be ordained a priest if u walk in GOD but the musicians are special people, they have to be decendants of levi(as of then sha').

The above statement is FALSE, only levites could be ordained as priests and not just anybody as it is being done today. Also all tempe workrs including musicians had to be levites.

Christianity Etc › Re: "unholy Tithes/gifts" Why Are Pastors N Clergymen Accepting It ? by KunleOshob(m): 7:57pm On Oct 13, 2010

^^^
Even for oyaks to distribute his so called free indepence rapshody of errors, he has to milk his members to pay for it and of course the contract for the printing of the filthy pamphlets goes to his printing company were he profits from it handsomely. He also gets he promote his brand and personality based on the seeds of the deluded partners scammed into financing his personal aggrandisement.

Christianity Etc › Re: "unholy Tithes/gifts" Why Are Pastors N Clergymen Accepting It ? by KunleOshob(m): 5:18pm On Oct 13, 2010

@joagbaje
I don't condenm the poor people that have been manipulated to believe in tithes, it is people like you and your pay master oyaks that manipulate scritures to justify the fraudulent version of tithes being preached today that the scriptures condenm and I stand by the teachings of christ in condenming fraud using his name.

ps: that aside I would really appreciate it if you stop this false posturing of being a giver. It is clear from your profession and the false doctrines you preach in your so called church that you are a beneficiary of the scam. You are a receiver and NOT a giver. It is also well documented that your church is notorious for receiving stolen money yet you a so called pastor is shameless enough to defend it and quoting irrelevant scriptures as above to defend the digusting act. May God have mercy on your soul.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by KunleOshob(m): 1:11pm On Oct 13, 2010*

mukina2:
yeah but if you click on the link nothing appears.

Christianity Etc › Re: "unholy Tithes/gifts" Why Are Pastors N Clergymen Accepting It ? by KunleOshob(m): 8:48am On Oct 13, 2010

^^^^
Mr Agbaje, i know your problem so i won't bother to respond to the hubris you just wrote above. You and i know very well that once the false and fraudulent doctrine of tithes is removed from your business you and Oyaks are very likely to go bankrupt. But then again Oyaks has diversified to differents areas of business and scamming so he might get by. but you huh

you might be forced to get a decent job and stop living off the sweat of others. It is criminal to say that "tithing is part of God's plan for financial security" whilst there is nowhere in the bible were tithing was financial or monetary. I won't bother to go into details cos i have shown you over and over again on this forum that tithing the way it is preached and interpreted today has no biblical basis i.e it is a doctrine of man derived from manipulating God's commandements to the ancient Israelites which was NEVER carried forward into christianity by Jesus nor the apostles. But only emerged in christianity several centuries after the apostles had departed. I know you know the truth but your love for filthy lucre would not allow you admit the truth

Christianity Etc › Re: Pray For Erastus Akingbola Of Intercontinental Bank by KunleOshob(m): 6:55pm On Oct 12, 2010

What you guys fail to realize is that Cmarketer stands for Church marketer, he is in the church marketing business and Akingbola is a good customer hence his desires to see him let off the hook so he can continue to benefit from his patronage.

Christianity Etc › Re: "unholy Tithes/gifts" Why Are Pastors N Clergymen Accepting It ? by KunleOshob(m): 9:51am On Oct 12, 2010

The bible provides answers to your questions.

2 Peter 2:1-3:

The Danger of False Teachers
1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

monetary tithes is a good example of "clever lie" highlighted above.

Romans 16:17-18:
17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Richest Men Of God In Nigeria-how To Be A Poor Man Of God by KunleOshob(m): 8:56am On Oct 12, 2010

@OP
Stop manipulating the scriptures, there is absoutely nothing in scriptures that suggests a man of God should be rich, infact the bible warns against it. If a man of God wants to be rich he should be rich based on the sweat of his labour and NOT fleecing of the flock for personal gain. That is not to say a man of God shoul not be comfortable.

Excerpts from a letter written by an apostle of Christ [Paul] to a man of God [timothy].

1 Timothy 6:3-11:
3 Some people may contradict our teaching, but these are the wholesome teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. These teachings promote a godly life. 4 Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, division, slander, and evil suspicions. 5 These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth. To them, a show of godliness is just a way to become wealthy.
6 Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. 7 After all, we brought nothing with us when we came into the world, and we can’t take anything with us when we leave it. 8 So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content.

9 But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10[b] For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows[/b].

11 But you, Timothy, are a man of God; so run from all these evil things. Pursue righteousness and a godly life, along with faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness.

The scriptures above clearly shows that using the gospel to make money is evil and is contrary to the teachings of Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by KunleOshob(m): 8:44am On Oct 12, 2010

manmustwac:
I just checked the recycle bin and its not there anymore. Which means its gone for good.

Thanx but a google search on my name is still producing the offensive thread, i suspect the thread was duplicated kindly ask that he deletes the second one as well thanx. wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Christians Hate To Pay Their Tithes? by KunleOshob(m): 6:34pm On Oct 11, 2010

@sleekymag
Much love, I am glad you have now come to understand my position better on the issue of tithes. I am also glad that you still insist on giving as you purpose in your heart towards the gospel and towards the less priviledge. May God continue to bless the work of your hands. Amen

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by KunleOshob(m): 6:22pm On Oct 11, 2010

@toba
Is that an admission you are lying?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Deceitfulness Of Riches by KunleOshob(m): 4:30pm On Oct 11, 2010

@Olaadegbu
On second thoughts i decided to reproduce the whole of the timothy passage to expose your manipulation. It should be clear that is is preachers that is being addressed in the passage and the teaching there is still very relevant to preachers today who distort scriptures for the love of money.

1 timothy 6:3-11
6:3 Whoever teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the true words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching of our religion

6:4 is swollen with pride and knows nothing. He has an unhealthy desire to argue and quarrel about words, and this brings on jealousy, disputes, insults, evil suspicions,

6:5 and constant arguments from people whose minds do not function and who no longer have the truth. They think that religion is a way to become rich. [reminds me of prosperity teachers and adherents] grin

6:6 Well, religion does make us very rich, if we are satisfied with what we have.

6:7 What did we bring into the world? Nothing! What can we take out of the world? Nothing!

6:8 So then, if we have food and clothes, that should be enough for us.

6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and are caught in the trap of many foolish and harmful desires, which pull them down to ruin and destruction.

6:10 For the love of money is a source of all kinds of evil. Some have been so eager to have it that they have wandered away from the faith and have broken their hearts with many sorrows.

6:11 But you, man of God, avoid all these things. Strive for righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance, and gentleness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pray For Erastus Akingbola Of Intercontinental Bank by KunleOshob(m): 4:16pm On Oct 11, 2010

GNBohr:
IT IS PEOPLE LIKE THE POSTERS THAT NEED PRAYER, REDEMPTION AND HEALING.

I PRAY FOR THE POSTERS TO GET WELL.

I would certainly remember the poster in my prayers grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Deceitfulness Of Riches by KunleOshob(m): 4:01pm On Oct 11, 2010

OLAADEGBU:
Are you a faithful steward for the ministry?

It depends on what you mean by "ministry". the true ministry of christ is to take care of the poor and the needy around us. If that is what you mean by faithful steward of the ministry then yes i am a very faithful steward of the ministry. but knowing you well i know you preach emptying my pockets to a supposed man of God who claims to have a ministry and is supposedly using the money to "spread" the gospel is being a faithfull steward o the ministry. I still fail to find any direct teachings in the bible that even says christians should 'fund' the ministry of any preacher. the great apostle Paul worked to susutain himself whilst ministrying yet he achieved much more for the kingdom than any tithe collecting pastor can ever attest to in ten life times so what is the delusion all about.

If, by His grace, the Lord does enable a Christian to acquire wealth, it should be regarded as a divine stewardship and opportunity for ministry.

The above if another fraudulent, unbiblical and deceptive 419 claim being used to defraud believers. What the bible preaches is that we should use our wealth to be of help to others. Even early church collections [Acts 4:32-35] was used to take care of the poor and the needy and not for spreading any gospel as is falsely claimed today. Any ministry that does not make taking care of the needy and less priviledge a core activitiy is certainly not a ministry following in the foot steps of our lord Jesus christ. As i have always told you i am not against giving, infact i am very much in support of true biblical giving it is the fraudulent manipulation of biblical giving by preachers to favour themselves that i am very vehemently against.

PS: Kindly note that the timothy scripture on love of money you quoted was addressed to a bishop [timothy] warning him against the love of money and making a personal gain from the gospel. It is more of a warning to preachers than even the congregation, the sad thing is that today preachers are not only refusing to heed this warning some of them like Olaadegbu above are now turning round to use it to preach to christians to hand over all their money to the ministry, how pathetic angry

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by KunleOshob(m): 3:38pm On Oct 11, 2010

Joagbaje:
I laugh ! . People rather comes to CE. to be inspired by church growth. The rhema church you mentioned , I ve not heard the name before. So why will CE with all the result world wide send people to a smaller church that is still coming up to spy on how to grow church. Instead of sending someone to yongi-cho who has the largest single church in the world south Korea . I beg let's rest.

Another confession that it s all about the number of ~~customers~~ worshippers that CE can attract and fleece which means more money into Oyaks pocket. It definitely not about the souls that would saved. Anyway the scripture below should serve as a quick reminder what our ord Jesus christ thinks about those large numbers you are peddling / striving for.

Matthew 7:13-14:
13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

Since even Oyaks himself is not saved he would not understand the import of the scripture above, how much less his boiboi. else i would have advised that you concentrate on the few that are likely to make it rather than being responsible for leading millions to perdition.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Christians Hate To Pay Their Tithes? by KunleOshob(m): 3:19pm On Oct 11, 2010

donobi:
the bible said my people perish for lack of knowledge.
let every member of any church decide not to pay tithe, let see the pastor that will serve God.

The above statement is far from true, there are still a lot of pastors out there that genuinely love God and are serving him in the fullness of truth and not for and personal benefit other than they derive joy from serving him, the pastor of my church readily comes to mind as a good example. However i am sure a lot of the ~~commercialized~~ pentecostal church pastors would seize to "serve" God if tithes, offerings, seed sowing and other monetay benefits are not rolling in.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Christians Hate To Pay Their Tithes? by KunleOshob(m): 9:40am On Oct 11, 2010

@Mai suya
Here is a bonus treaching for you wink

Colossians 2:8:

8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.

A typical example of high sounding nonsense is "if you don't tithe, it would be tight for you."

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Christians Hate To Pay Their Tithes? by KunleOshob(m): 9:37am On Oct 11, 2010

Mai Suya:
PLEEEASE where on earth did you get that from? Scripture please!! The whole idea of Christianity is putting God first IN EVERYTHING (yes, your finances inclusive). The scenario you're painting--now that I have satisfied myself and my family, let me look for whatever is left to give to God is, I believe, unscriptural.

While I can remember reading something like that, I would love it if you could provide a scriptural backing for this.

Obviously you have a lot of brushing up to do concerning studying and understanding the scriptures, the scriptures below should help:

Matthew 15:5-9:
5 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God [tithes] what I would have given to you.’ 6 In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, 8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 Their worship is a farce,
for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

1 Timothy 5:8:

8 But those who won’t care for their relatives, especially those in their own household, have denied the true faith. Such people are worse than unbelievers.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Christians Hate To Pay Their Tithes? by KunleOshob(m): 9:22am On Oct 11, 2010

chiteny:
Mai Suya, please read verse 26 of the same Deut 14 to find out that the money was not given as tithe. Rather it was used to buy stuff that is to be tithed.

Mai suya deliberately ommiting verse 26 of the scripture he quoted gos to show that he is just a scammer like the rest of them out to manipulate scripture for selfish and greedy gain.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Deceitfulness Of Riches by KunleOshob(m): 8:04pm On Oct 10, 2010

This is amazing coming from Olaadegbu a prosperity/tithe gospel adherent. It proves there is still hope for lost souls.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Some Christians Hate To Pay Their Tithes? by KunleOshob(m): 4:59pm On Oct 10, 2010

@mai suya
In luke 11:42 which you quoted, Jesus was addressing the pharisees who were under the law and who ought to tithe as people who were under the law should. However in our case, christians are not under the law are are not expected to tithe. That is apart from the fact that the type of tithes preached and practised today [monetary tithes from income] has no basis in scripture, it is a fraudulent manipulation of the biblical tithes which was agricultural produce.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pray For Erastus Akingbola Of Intercontinental Bank by KunleOshob(m): 1:40pm On Oct 10, 2010

I think this thread should be directed at the church/pastor who benefited immensely from the man's tithes, offerings and seed sowing. One would have assumed that as a redeemed pastor who believed in tithing and seed sowing "the devourer" would have been kept away from him. Personally i think the man should be made to pay for his crimes. There is no way he could have been a good christian and commited all the crimes he did. That aside as a pastor by virtue of his dids he brought christianity to disrepute.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by KunleOshob(m): 3:14pm On Oct 09, 2010

mukina2:
will pass it on to Seun.

Thanx dear kiss

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by KunleOshob(m): 9:55am On Oct 09, 2010

JeSoul:
MMW, I think Kunle means to delete it permanently from NL. In which case I will say Kunle I do not think that the admin would do that, as anyone who doesn't like a thread or anything said about them will readily request the thread be expunged from NL. I feel your pain but unfortunately I doubt Seun will delete it.

I still think it should be brought to seun's attention, it is not just that i don't like the topic of the thread but the topic of it is actually libelious. It seeks to baselessly cast doubts on my integrity as a person. Kindly appeal to seun on my behalf to have it permanently expunged. thanx.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by KunleOshob(m): 2:50pm On Oct 08, 2010

@mukina/jesoul/manmuswac
Please i would like to get the thread titled "Is Kunle Oshobi a crook?" permanently deleted from the threads on nairaland. It is quite capable of casting me in bad light and falsely raises issues about my integrity as a person.

best regards

Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by KunleOshob(m): 2:25pm On Oct 08, 2010

^^^^
Maybe Pastor Chris is the anti christ lipsrsealed

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