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I see the NL bug has caught up with yommyuk the yommyuk I knew used to be very gentle with words and patient. I guess NL has a way of bringing out the beast in us.

I describe myself as non-denominational even though I fellowship with a group of believers who are sincerely seeking the truth. My christian beliefs are based purely on the direct teachings of our lord Jesus christ and the principles of Love he established. I also derive knowledge from the writings of the apostles for doctrine. I take the old terstament with a pinch of salt cos a lot of things in it are not relevant to christianity, it is an old way that has been replaced with a new covenant even though some preachers appeal to it when it favours them. In all I don't believe in church denominations becos it goes directly against clear scriptural instructions. I also believe that the overwhelming majority of churches today (at least in Nigeria) have deviated from true christianity to a man made variant of it which I consider as false religion.

@Justcool
So where or what does the grail message draw from? And how do you know that the source is credible?

Here is to wish one of the most brilliant, thorough and painstaking mind on NL a wonderful birthday, hope you had a great day. Meanwhile where is the party @, its not too late to catch up on a few drinks!

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Stop lying the bible never described Mary magdalene as a LovePeddler so stop tring to mis-lead people here in your desperation to defend your love for filthy lucre.

@manmuswac
Good moderating!

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That asides, last time I checked programmed simulations don't have free will like us humans, they only do what they are programmed to do.

@Jagun
And who is the programmer of this"programmed" computer simulation?

Well I am not suprised, oyaks is a really good entertainer, he provides good comic relief with his franchise of "christianity"

@manmuswac
Are you for real, did they actually sell tickets for the charade?

How much did Oyaks make from the jamboree?

@Tonye
Maybe the improved power supply you are experiencing is reward for you regular payment of "tithes"

@All
I am suprised that nobody as remembered to give OBJ any credit for this improved power supply. We shd remember that he set the ball rolling thru the power sector reforms act and he laid a solid foundation for the power road map, infact he got to an advanced stage in delivering stable power supply to us before that clueless yar'adua put us back in reverse motion. Jonathan is only concluding the work OBJ started. Kudos to him sha, at least we are making progress.

I am sure pigrim.1 aka Viaro would re-incarnate soon under another alias, just watch out, a leopard cannot change it's spots.

Mammon is the god all prosperity preachers worship and their high priests in Nigeria include oyakhilome, oledepo and asshimolowo. It is really dis-heatening that they present this their pagan god as the lord almight father of our saviour Jesus Christ.

@joagbaje
Jesus had your likes in mind when he made the statement below:

Matthew 15:9 It is no use for them to worship me, because.[B]they teach man-made rules as though they were my laws[/b]

@joagbaje
I don't know which twisted version of the bible you quoted luke 8:34 from, but I can assure you no decent version of the bible used the term "financial support" what the bible said is they "ministered to their needs" which is not necessarily financial. That aside no were in my writings have I ever said it is wrong to support churches or pastors financially, what I have always complained about is the abuse of this priviledge by preachers and the greed motivating them to further twist scripture to fleece the flock. Some of these fraudulent teachings. Like the mordern day version of tithing has been institutionalized in the church by theses fraudulent characters and accepted by the ignorant mumu sheep as doctrine. I think you should go and read the whole of Matthew chapter 23 to know what Jesus and God think about religious leaders like you and fellow charlatans that parade themselves as men of god.

@joagbaje
Honestly you should stop reading that filthy pamphelt called rapshody of errors, it could lead you to perdition.

@joagbaje
Going by your above post, so why do most pastors today prefer not to work but live off the sweat of others by distorting scripture? Why can't they follow the example of Paul and the otherapostles in that passage and get a decent Job? Yet they want to eat the best food, wear the finest clothes, drive the flashiest cars and cruise around in private jets thru commercialization of the gospel Jesus clearly instructed must be preached free.

The bible says that by their fruits you shall know them.

@joagbaje
1timothy 6:5-10 makes it clear that men of God should not LOVE money, it also clearly describes the love of money as evil, Oyedepo a supposed man of God has demonstrated his love for money via his false prosperity gospel and his ostentaciously vulgar lifestyle.

5solas:
@KunleOshob.

A wise man once said and I paraphrase, '' it shows the weakness of our position when we engage in insults rather than face issues''.

I agree entirely with you, it is also unwise to comment on issues which we don't have a proper grasp of.

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I am sure the fraudster would be laffing with the other side of his face on judgement day, let him enjoy the scam while it last.

it till beats my imagination how some so called christians can justify this evil going on in the so called church using the name of God and his son jesus to enrich themselves and live in extreme opulence when the sheep that the so called men of God are supposed to look after are living in abject poverty. is this what jesus taught Judgement day would truely be very interesting, anyway Jesus has already told told us he would deny all such con men despite the fact that they preached in his name.

DBR:
[b]@kunleOshob[/b]So Jesus said IT IS FINISHED only in one place, does that make it invalid?
Or am i discussin withbunch of juves here? C'mon guys. Im sure y'all smater than this.
So anythin that appears ones is not valid? Good one . . way to go.

oNe

No one has said it is not valid, the truth is that you used that verse to convert it to money out of context to achieve a dubious objective. I have addressed the circumstances under which they were asked to convert it to money and what the money was meant to be used for[which is totally different from the fraud being preached today] so stop trying to be clever by half.

@DBR
The below explains how church offerings by the apostles was utilized

Acts 4:32-35:
32 All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had. 33 The apostles testified powerfully to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God’s great blessing was upon them all. 34 There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them 35 and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.

The one below explains what thinks about you so called church collections, buildings and edifice

Acts 17:24-25:

   24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

@DBR
if you are truelly a christian and you hold christ's teachings as sascrosant then you would realize that according to the teachings of christ giving to the poor and needy = giving to God. He never taught giving to the church is giving to God contrary to what your pastor would like you to believe. Whilst it is not wrong to give to the church, a true follwer of christ would know it is more important as a christian to give to those in need than to give to a church. Jesus teachings and priorities when it comes to giving were very clear and even the apostles upheld this teaching. it is worthy of note that 90% of the teachings on giving in the new testtament [including the ones twisted by churches to justify giving to them] were directed at giving to the poor and the needy and NOT giving to any church. Even church collections by the apostles was mostly used to take care of the needy so don't let any man deceive you. Christian giving is about charity and not about running elaborate man made organization called churches.

DBR:
LOL. . .
So when they said to convert the produce or waeva it is to money was not in the bible . . wat a joke.

there is only one place in the bible were Israelites where conditionally asked to convert their tithes to money, even at that they were asked to use the money to buy whatever food or drink they liked and consume it themselves with their families. They were NOT asked to hand the money over to the priests.

Deuteronomy 14:25-26:
25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household.

pope732901:
The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were to give 10 percent of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle/Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5).

The above highlighted is a lie, nowhere in the bible is tithes attached to earnings. tithes was strictly from the produce of the land and the animals they breeded. Monetary tithes/ tithes attached to earnings was not introduced to the church till the 19th century when some smart alecs saw it as a means of raisng extra cash for their churches. the church then might have meant well in raisng extra money for the spread of the gosple as they mostly used the money for good works then, but it is still not justification for twisting the word of God. on the contrary pastors today especially in the pentecostal movement hadly any good works is done with the money collected, a large percentage of it is used for things other than would glorify the name of God.

@DBR
Also nothing stops any pastor who is not satisfied with what he is earning in the church to get a job or engage in business to support himself and family, it is devious to twist god's word just becos a pastor has needs. Apostle boasted on several occassions that he worked to meet his needs and he was not a burden on any one, why can't your pastors make an example of this instead of talking about abrahamic tithe that has no bearing on christianity. That aside this your false claims that there is a so called blessing attached to tithing is a blatant lie, there is absolutely evidence for this fallacy, those of us who NEVER tithe are infact better blessed than those of you who delude yourselves that there is a so called blessing in tithing, you are are best placing yourself under the curse of the law [gal 5:4]

@DBR
you still don't get it, nobody is saying it is wrong to give any percentage of your income to the church to support it's activities. What we have consisitently said is wrong, fraudulent and evil is to twist the word of God to justify mandatory tithing which is not required of christians. Your appeal to abrahamic tithe does not hold water cos this was a one off transaction on a special occassion, Abraham was never recorded to tihe regularly from his income like those scammers would have us believe. That aside the true church of christ was never intended to be the kind of large organized structures we have today running large overheads with the pastor CEO earning a seven figure salary. The structure of the biblical church was simple and overheads limited, infact offerings was mostly used to take care of the poor and the needy amongst them contrary to the practise today that it is mostly used to "run" the church and ensure a luxurious lifestyle for the CEO. It is quite shamefull that most churches have ignored the primary reason for collections in the early church which was for charity and they now use most of the funds to build edificies [which don't glorify God in anyway] to the glory of themsleves and the ego of their pastor whilst ignoring the saints jesus clearly mandatged us to take care of. Jesus even went to the extent of making it a requirement for salvation in matthew 25:31-40 yet these greedy pastors would rather lead the flock astray and send them to damnation becos of their love for filthy lucre. I can asure you that when jesus comes he would deny at least 95% of the churches that claim to preach in his name becos they are not doing his will or the will of the father who they claim to worship. A word is enough for the wise, wake up and follow christ instead of following your pastor or manmade church doctrines at the detriment of your salvation. The bible says "people perish for lack of knowledge" i hope this will not be your case in Jesus name.

@DBR
As long as your pastor is not twisting scriptures to extort a mandatory tithe and he is also not using reverse psycology to put those not tithing into a guilt trap, then there is no problem with that. However provision made for support of ministers under the new covenant is free will offerings to be determined by the giver and NOT tithes. Presenting tithes as a christian doctrine is dishonest and misleading.

@5solas
Are you sure you understand english at all? All your comments above are very false, illeterate and delusional. Chukwudi was bang on target with his summize of Jesus position on salvation which is faith exemplified by works.