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I knew some "mugun" MUST PAY!

Here comes reality-101!

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As usual, shoddy preparation and an avenue to cause "chaos", which is a fertile ground for breeding corruption!

When will these nitwits stop embarrassing us PUBLICLY? Or are we the only nation in the world?

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Even those that scored over 240 in JAMB, are yet to get placement.....so where are we going to put the 160...180 students?

Okay, l see.....they need to create an avenue for their dullard children to enter Federal Universities!

Another "Catchment/Quota System" in disguise!

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[quote author=prince_onx]@flexya:
First of all am not based in Nigeria! I live in the US and have for over a decade so you can save all that your taxes, bills, and insurance excuses for those in Nigeria. I own 2 houses here myself! One is paid off and the other have about 8yrs or less left depending on my payment so I know too much about both income and property taxes and the last time I was on a public transportation/bus was in 2001 meaning I also pay auto insurance but hardly/don't pay speeding tickets because I pay to park where am supposed to and maintain legal speed limit. I pay my federal, state, and city taxes, health, life, property, and auto insurance. I live in NE so I know what gas bill is cause my Winter gets to minus 0. (2) you owe me no explanation for not having a house or property in Nigeria but don't ever let me hear you again say that people based abroad can NOT save to build or buy property or near impossible to build regarless of their pay/income except they're involve in dirty deals! There are people out there that make real good money genuinely! I mean GOOD money without having anything to do with business! Just their job and their pay check! I don't know what you do/did in London but pls don't call that a good job again if you struggle to save £300 a month! and by the way more money doesn't necessary mean BIGGER house! There are affordable, comfortable and good houses also in good neighborhood for a family of five. That take us back to living within your/one's means! A lot of people sacrifice a lot of things or pleasure overseas/here just to be able to save more money a month either for investment or simply to save up more! You named car loan as one of your bills in your first reply, then £57 bus pass/card a week in your second reply! I dont know if you own a car or jump on the bus but instead of having a car loan which require full coverage insurance (more money a month) on a newer car ( 1 or 2yrs old) why dont you save up and buy (pay cash) for a 5, 6, or even a 8yrs old car and get a liability (cheaper) insurance a month! And whata blank is TV license? You guys need a permit to watch TV's too? Oga/Bross, to cut stories short you said you've lived in UK for 19+yrs, Abeg! Am begging you stop giving those excuses and do something. You're probabely in your late 40s or early/mid 50s but Your income (£40k gross) is not bad at all and even £300 saving a month is also not bad and properties in your town of Ibadan is also not too expensive! So with few adjustment to your bills and life style that £300 a month can increase to £500 a month and you know what that is in 12months! Even £300 a month is still above half a million Naira so stop those excuses or simply say you're not interested instead of saying it's near impossible or can't be achieved unless one is doing some illegal sh.I.t[/quote]
I just want to appreciate you for the "decorum" you exhibited, in this reply!
Despite the "temptation" to reply in "the same tone" as the previous you were responding to (which would be legit anyway!), you have shown maturity and "stayed on point" throughout.
Yours should be a model for everyone on NL, especially those who cannot make a sentence without a tirade of insults.....

BTW: I think we all have different abilities when it comes to "money-management" or when it comes to "putting money aside", from whatever our income is/was.
Believe me, l have seen "richer people" (with more income), borrowing from people with half of their own income!

Its not easy, but it takes a lot of determination and self-sacrifice, to be able to save money, from a fixed income.

Quote: "Savings" is NOT money you keep aside after meeting your expenses....it is the FIRST EXPENSE you make (by putting it aside!)
So, its up to you to save...and in what amount.

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May b it has to do with their "anatomy' ...just may be.

Sex for men, is not from the heart. its a "physical thing", just an "act', like an adventure!
Its a "conquering experience"....that "Lion behavior" example needs exploring.
Thus, men can cheat and get home and still be loving to their wife, no emotion was invested.
Moreover, the cheat instrument of a man is "external"....its is not affected beyond the "base of the shaft" and its spews-out that white fluid. In other words, it is not defiling itself or being contaminated with an external fluid, so to say

On the other hand,
Women have S.ee.x to please their emotions. Their heart and soul is invested in it.
Women usually take sex to mean 'Love' and would (in most cases) sleep with you as a final step of "surrender"...of their love to you!

A woman's cheat instrument is internal, it is the "receptor" and its "action" is deep inside her body! She is the one that also gets "contaminated" by an external invading fluid! Not to talk of the fact that she is the one that gets to carry the "effect" (Pregnancy) of such act!

Thus, when a woman cheats, she is really cheating from "inside her soul" (and probably knows that her marriage is ended and would not mind planning to murder the husband sef!)......but when a man does, he is just fooling around, doing it form outside his body and it has no bearing on his feelings for wife or marriage!

Dont fire-up yourself, justtake time to think about it and you will get my drift.

Just my own hypothesis.

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clemmonce: THE MAN THAT OWNS THE CHEMICAL THEY WERE CONVEYING WAS INSIDE THE TANKER HE GOT BURNT AND DIED HE IS A FRIEND OF MY NEIGHBOUR I KNW HIM VERY WELL WE USE TO CALL HIM BABA Ayo

What kind of "Chemicals" are we referring to, here?
For it to suddenly explode.....and the weather is not very hot, in the preceding few days!

Does anyone has "info" on how and why it suddenly exploded....even when it was inside drums!
Or was Baba Ayo using the Drums to convey Petrol?

So many questions, no answer!

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One of the reasons l have this phobia of driving beside or anywhere close to these Tankers!

I still think "everything is relative".

For one, it depends on what your "Priority" is at the moment.
I know people who are investing all their worth in Business and building it up right now, yet they are Tenants! It makes a lot of sense because "A house uncompleted or built for personal use, is like "money made unproductive". It does not yield further money.
I for one, once regretted putting some funds into a house (at that point) since l could have invested the money into a business that came along afterwards. The "returns" of that business could have built the same house within three or four years!

Again, when you are still young (relatively) say early thirties, building a house may not be your priority.
Your income might not even be enough to support it, then.

When you start reaching say forty or forty plus, having your own home seems to suddenly become a priority!
At fifty, it nags you every day, like a bad wife!

If at sixty you dont have your own house, hmmmmm.....enemies at work! You need deliverance!

One thing l did, which l will suggest to Nigerians in diaspora (reading the experience of "Prince Onx" is that:
1.) Even if you dont want to build a house immediately, and you have some "good money" at hand, buy land, as many plots as you can, BUT in different places(dont but fifty Acres in one place, spread the risk!).
Thing is, Land is always appreciating in value, no matter where it is located!
Yesterday's "bush" will open-up before your own eyes!...and the value don jump before you say 'kai'!

2.)Do the Survey, Fence it and Gate it. In my own case, l fence them, gate them and then do a "useless" three-Bed foundation on top of the land! Start processing the Title small-small.
Lagos na dangerous place to leave land barren. IF anyone wants to sell land to you and you meet a "building foundation or half built to 4-coaches" on it, wont you reason that someone must have "exercised ownership" on the land before Now? Therefore, you will make further inquiries, unlike a barren plot of land. It has never failed me!

3.) When you have time, sell one plot (at an appreciated price: thats why l said buy as many as possible), use the money to start your own house on the plot that is choicest and well located amongst all that you have. Do this when you're in Naija, after fly back.

4.) Again, Next time you are free, come to Naija and repeat above process and within one to three years, your house is not only ready, the environment it is has appreciated to your taste!

There is a feeling you get, when you build "your own" first house!
Its the feeling l got when l had my first child......something like: So na me born this one? Eeehen, my own blood, my responsibility, my joy!
I do encourage everyone to make it a priority and if you're still just starting out, put it as one of your goals.

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TheShopKeeper: Yes nigerian resident can buy if they have a honest broker.
However enough care must be taken in buying the shares of Facebook.
Only the top dogs like Bono (the Live Aid singer), who invested in the early days will be getting huge returns from their investment.
My advice to anyone planning to invest is to wait until the euphoria has finished, possibly next quarter.

I am just remembering the "Dot.Com" burble bust of the late 90's!
Already, its gone down from the "initial" $42, back to $38+....in just a few hours!

Apart from those who got-in very early (Kudos to people like Bono or his Stock Adviser, for smelling the coffee very early), most "Late Comers" are just going to fund BETTER life-style for Zuckerberg and the likes of Bono.

You dont make money from Stock, by going-in when everyone is "rushing-in", you make it when no one or most people DONT realize the value or how valuable it will be in the future.

By the time every one cop's-on, THE "GRAVY TRAIN" HAS ALREADY LEFT THAT BUS STOP![/b]

I hope we can bookmark this page and thread......and refer back to it in about three years time!

FaceBook wont be the "in-thing" then......Internet Technology offerings come and go, like Yesterday!

Cheers and think before you waste your money!

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Caveat: If you bought today and trade it as quickly as possible, who knows, you could still find some "mugun & Maga" (the late-comers )that will buy it from you at an 'appreciated value'
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TroGunn: People stop the negativity. We all know PHCN must be completely privatized if we ever want better service. And the tariff will increase, but it'll still be way cheaper than running generators. This govt has been useless, but they got this spot on. Everyone must have prepaid meters. If they don't give u electricity, then it's their loss too because they'll only make money when u use electricity.
At N11/kwh ( 6.8cents/kwh) our rate is likely too cheap to be profitable for investors, compared to other countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing.

The NLC should chill. We need power and will pay slightly more for it.

Here we go again...once more AGAIN!

How many times must we tell you to STOP COMPARING APPLES WITH ORANGES?
But if you must compare, then COMPARE EVERYTHING!

How about comparing their (other countries) Health Sector to our own?
How about comparing their Road infrastructure, with our own>
How about compare the salary of their "Law Makers" with our own Law "Breakers"?

Its only when these guys want to "increase financial punishment" for Nigerians, that we hear of these comparisons...
......and PUPPETEERS LIKE YOU!

@Sam Amadi (PHCN)

He said: “I think the Nigerian people will understand our predicament if we improve on our customer service. That is why we have made customer care the niche of the new tariff. We can really improve in terms of transparency and accountability especially in billing.

Another Stewpid statement from a supposedly educated clown!
We dont want to understand YOUR SILLY PREDICAMENT...What we want is POWER SUPPLY, Finito!
All these 'business grammar" no be am.

Retarded thieves!

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pro01: @ Lastpage

I am beginning to suspect some Nairalanders of complicity in Yekini's death - including you, my good friend! In spite of your attempt to seem objective, your biases are apparent - as you are favourably disposed to covering up Yekini's possible MURDER.

Calm down my friend, l am sure you wrote out of your love for Yekini (which l share) and yoru desire to ensure that nothing sinister was the case.
If you read my post well, you will see where l asked that the family should come out openly and explain by the minute, what transpired since he was "forcefully taken" and his consequent death.

First of all, I find it hard to understand why you guys keep asking 'where was this ex wife when Yekini needed help'. I mean, what exactly did you expect her to do? Yekini was became a recluse who did NOT welcome any intervention in his life by anybody. As his neighbours in Ibadan have severally recounted after his demise, he was neither mad nor broke. Maybe he wasn't as prosperous as he should be (WHY?) but least he was well to do enough to maintain his duplex and his Toyota Corolla car, which he drove daily to go about his business. What kind of help can you render to a man who could feed himself and did not want any interference in his life? Or is it by force to render help against one's wish?

Dont you think that is a valid question to ask, if she is the one demanding for his body to be exhumed? Like you said, he was "shouting and crying for help" but no one (including his ex-wife) came to help him! If that "need of Yekini" was not met then, why should anyone now take her serious? Which is more important: To honor someones cry for help (when they are alive) or to require verification of cause of death (after they have died)?
What exactly is her motive? Did she stay with Yekini during trying times or chose to live abroad apart from him? If she was around him, maybe she would have been the 'lone person' that answered his call for help!
Again, why do you think a "loved Yekini" would be crying for help and no one will come to his aid?
I and most people would do it for a stranger (worse case, l will alert the Police if l dont want to be personally involved), not to mention Rashidi Yekini of all people!
Could it be because those around "knew his problem" and felt his family's style "could" help him?

pro01: About the issue of his death, if you have been reading the papers, you must by now know that his neigbours saw him being forcefully dragged out of his car as he drove into his own house, overpowered, and abducted by his so-called family members and their co-conspirators. He actively resisted the forceful abduction and cried for help, but none was forthcoming. As it turned out, that was the last time he was seen alive.

The question every sensible person must ask is: under what circumstances did he die after his abduction? That is the real issue, and that is why his body MUST be exhumed and subjected to a coroner's inquest. I am rather disappointed that otherwise intelligent folks like you would oppose the idea of investigating the cause of death of a person like Yekini, despite the fact that there are reasonable grounds for suspicion of murder or manslaughter. If this were a civilised country, this argument wouldn't even be necessary because the State would do the needful. But being the barbaric jungle that Nigeria is, this straightforward matter has become a subjective issue open to useless debate. How sad!

First, an intelligent person will always be intelligent; its called "consistency" but you may not always agree with their opinion! No take style insult brother-man like this!
Now, we agree on one thing: We would both like to know if he died "accidentally" (i used manslaughter to explain that in my post) or if his death was deliberate.
In my final analysis, using the "balance of probabilities" as most learned judges would do in cases where there are no "clear cut evidence", l x-rayed the possibility that his family will try to or intentionally murder Yekini. And giving reason (3 reasons), l came to a reasonable conclusion that there is "No Reason whatsoever" to believe that they would have that intention.
Now, there is the possibility of "inadvertent death" in the "unrefined process of Native medicine" put to use here (over dose, excessive use of force, man-handling to force victim to take a certain course or medicine, non-use of anesthesia in painful processes, e.t.c); for these reasons, l have asked the family to narrate what happened to him, leading to his death, when he was in their custody.
Did you read ALL my Post? I dont want to repeat them again, please.
Did you read where neighbors said he not only became a recluse but suddenly became "Father X-mas", giving away all his valuables in a very suspicious manner! Does this sound the behavior of a "sane person"? You can easily tell when someone you've known for long, starts behaving "strangely"!

Indeed, isn't' it ridiculous to label a law abiding and self-respecting individual 'mad' simply because he chose to keep to himself and avoid much social interaction. The so-called 'application of force' in apprehending a suspected lunatic (as you mentioned in your post) is only applicable in situations where; (1) the individual displays dangerous behaviour that is capable of causing bodily harm to himself and/ or members of the public, and (2) the individual behaves in a manner that constitutes public nuisance or breaches the public peace (e.g. parading naked in the streets or taunting passers-by). Clearly, Yekini's case was far from these scenarios. Insofar as Yekini kept to himself and behaved within lawful limits (let alone being sane enough to drive himself and live in a well maintained house), any claim to justify his forcible abduction on the grounds of taking him for supposed 'treatment' is totally unacceptable and should be considered a criminal offence. There is overwhelming circumstantial evidence that Rashidi Yekini died of unnatural causes in the hands of his relatives. As such, failure to exhume and examine his body would further confirm how pathetic, primitive, and hopelessly backward we are as a society. It is such a big shame that we even have to debate what should ordinarily be a categorical imperative.

Can you suggest to me, HOW you think he died? WHY you think he was murdered?
Dont forget that there is always "A Motive" for every crime, (if it is a crime) just look hard enough.

Finaly,l dont want us to mix "honestly seeking to unearth how he died" (since most statements are just "speculations" and there is not evidence of criminality, tabled yet) with the angle of the ex-wife. It complicates the argument.

I am of the opinion that the ex-wife has "no moral standing" to make that demand (judging by her antecedents in his matter) but for the sake of "full disclosure", knowing the "details of how he died" (which the family has not "openly explained" till now: did he fall down?, a heart attack? beaten to death? , what exactly happened) will be of benefit to the "Public" at large.

I just dont like "where/whom" that request came from (for stated reasons), honestly speaking. If l were to advise,l will suggest that she should have found a way to let other "concerned citizens" (like Segun Odegami, the Police, members of the Public/neighbors, e.t.) make that pronunciation, rather than coming from her.
Coming from her [b]NOW after his death, tastes like rubbing salt into an injury, if you get my drift.[/b]

Okay,l agree that there could be some element of "subjectivity" in my arguments simply because l feel those who should have helped him while alive, (especially his ex-wife) did nothing but only came out to demand for his buried body to be exhumed, ........medicine after death, sort of!

Cheers.

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^^^^You make the most sense.
Thank you.

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BTW: I would not be surprised, (knowing the kind of liars Policemen are) that this Policeman does not even have a single Naira in his pigeon hole!
You would rather kill a Nigerian Policeman than "separate him" from one thousand naira that is his own!

Torch1: Attention seeker!.. Nnewi isn't in another planet. It is here in Anambra state, you come and confirm whether it is Assembly or Manufacturing factory..

I also wanted to confirm if what they are doing is "Assembling Completely Knocked Down (CKD) Parts" or real manufacturing of the Parts, here in Nigeria.
Show us Pictures of the plant, the assembly line (not that half finished Bus or finished Mini Bus) so we can make our own judgement on this.

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How reliable is this HHT web tunnel? I need detailed info; You can P.M me if you wanna talk privately.
I pay for my parents internet so l can Skype with them regularly and l will not mind if there is a "legal" way l can reduce the cost and get better service. Even the one l pay for is down most of the times and old folks get frustrated over it, too easily!

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^^^^^Go and process the C-of-O of that Wave Building...dont seem to have one!

And if it does, you are the one that 'processed" it, right?

Now, how many years do you think you deserve?
Sentence urself now now!

Seriously, are you real or just one of them boyz looking for someone to play "Maga don drop"?

Do you work in the Ministry of Environment or what is the "Consultant" level about?
Just need clarification, in case l intend doing a document on my own place in Lagos.

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Abegi. . . Make i hear word. There is nothing like boyfriend snatcher. She displays her goods, if he likes it, he buys it. It's his choice to leave a girl for another. All these quack mentality tire me jare. . .[/quote]

drnoel: didn´t know she was selling something. abeg what goods did she display. am just curious

Emmm....where is it sef..... l am looking-up the definition of the phrase "A PROS.TI.TUTE".....Seun likes to call it "LovePeddler", which is apt in itself

Funnily, some years later, these will be the same set of women that will say "Men are wicked, beast and whatever"?

They seem to forget that there is something called "KARMA"....whatever you sow NOW, you will reap later in life!

Its your move!
What is this world turning into?

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After all said and buried, the "Family" needs to EXPLAIN CLEARLY, every minute leading to his death!

From the moment he was removed from his house, till he died. WHAT HAPPENED FOLKS?

Please come out clean.

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Back to the discussion:
My own opinion: On one hand, peeps are right to wonder and ask: where was this (ex-wife) Rita, when the 'rumors' where going round that Rashidi has a "medical/mental" problem? Where was she when it was said that Rashidi was going through difficult times? Why was she not around to champion his cause then? Of what good is this Nigerian "attitude" of speaking well and writing beautiful eulogies about an admired person, IN DEATH, when nothing tangible was done to them, IN THEIR "LIFE TIME"?

Or is she just trying to "sound-off" as a westernized, over-sabi, l am a very important ex-wife, out to show the family that they cant ignore her or dont have the right ot bury him without her say so (bragging rights )?

On the "flip-side", we all want to be sure that "nothing sinister" occurred, to cause Rashidi's death. That is what autopsies are meant for.
Was he murdered? Death by accident(Manslaughter)? Died naturally during treatment? Death by overdose of traditional concoction?
Putting both sides on "a scale", if l were to judge or make a decision, l would pitch my tenth with NOT TO EXHUME HIS BODY. Why?

1.)I would ask: what is "the reason" the family came to take him to Kwara state? Under what circumstances?
2.)I would investigate: Was/Is there an "accruing benefit" (financially or otherwise) to those family members, for taking him away?
3.)If left behind in Ibadan (in the light of his circumstance) would he have been better-off comparatively, to taking him to Kwara, by family members?

The answer to those three questions "absolutely solves" all the back-an-forth we are having right now.

Every one is encouraged to "draw their own answers" from those questions and make their decision.

Mine:
1.)The family came to take him to Kwara for "treatment" based on rumored "insanity", which has been ongoing for a long time (something his ex-wife should have taken up,if she really cared this much!) If he refused to go, it just further cements the belief about his "mental state"; even Government hospitals have to use "reasonable force" to restrain otherwise "challenged" patients! He was definitely "silently" crying out for help, for a long time.

2.) The family is not being paid any money for coming to his assistance. They are doing it at their own cost, as "concerned family members". They are not even asking for donations from the public or government! Thus, l cant see any "ulterior motive" in this.

3.) Rashidi was becoming an embarrassment to himself, his family, the government, the nation and the "beautiful game" of football that he did so much for. None of this "entities' came to his aid, for a long time! Neither did this ex-wife (that says a lot) Rita come to his aid.

At best, he could just have suffered for very long (as he was doing), run-riot "publicly" or even run into dangerous hands, before dying!
The family members are only trying to salvage a "bad situation" but unfortunately, he died along the way.
We cant fault them or punish them for "trying to help him", can we? When we ourselves did not!!

This is a "common-sense" position,l chose to abide with.
C-o-u-r-t!
Cheers.

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[quote author=Dr. Wise]I wonder why some of us are quick to play the victim card. Why haven't you monitored comments from bluetooth, Dayokano and other yoruba ethnic champions? I'm neither yoruba nor igbo but I watched and read with profound sadness how the Ojukwu illness thread was denigrated to an insult Competition on the sick man (may his soul RIP) by the yoruba ethnic fundamentalist. Now you come out to spew rubbish when your Yekini [/b]is the subject huh? Ever heard of one good turn ... Or those who live in glass houses ...?[/quote]It's so sad you are not living up to your name (Dr. [b]Wise!), in any way at all!
Have you ever heard of the Cliche that says "TWO WRONGS, dont make A SINGLE RIGHT"?

Granted there are ethnic bigots in ALL TRIBES, what every "sane and wise" person should be doing is countering such stewpidity and uniting the "brothers"!

Those who made derogatory comments about "the Ikemba of blessed memory" WERE WRONG, in doing so;
But we must not suffer fools by increasing their numbers!...which is exactly what you are doing!

When Yekini was scoring goals, l thought he did it for the benefit of ALL NIGERIANS......but now, you classify him as "YOUR OWN (Yoruba) Yekini! Does that not show where you are coming from and "where you belong"?

It is correct to say ONE GOOD TURN deserves another but l've never heard of them say "One Stewpid, Bigoted Turn" deserves another, or is that your own way of thinking? Profoundly sad indeed!

You think it is right to use Yekini's death as a springboard to "take revenge" on what was said about Ojukwu? Nothing could be more pathetic.

Let us ALL eschew this silly attitude of tribal feisty-cuffs.
And l wish the "MODS" will at least use their discretion here (for once) to yank off such offensive comments.
It may be generating comments/traffic but even Seun Osewa should know that it is turning away "serious minded people" from Nairaland and the common consensus is that NL is for immature, uncouth and ill-mannered people! is that your Vision of NLand, Seun?

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Nigeria is sooooo Blessed.......with stewpid and idiotic morons masquerading as "Top Office Holders"

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Yinkay: How come highest denomination in US is $100,British pounds is £50 and Euro is €500 despite the size and diversification of their economic base?

If you carry any of those highest denominations and present it at a store to buy something, ALL EYES WILL BE ON YOU!
You just dont see it flying around BUT in Nigeria's case, you will see "thieves spraying it" at parties sef!

When 20Naira was highest denomination, Politicians steal hundreds of thousands Naira

When 50Naira was highest denomination, Politicians steal Millions Naira

When 2000Naira was highest denomination, Politicians steal hundreds of Millions Naira

When 500Naira was highest denomination, Politicians steal Billions of naira

Now, Sanusi and Jonathan are upping their game!
Smart guys, they intend to loot Nigeria to the tune of Trillions of Naira!


Heaven will only help those who stand-Up and help themselves......seems Nigerians are not ready yet!
The suffer-head never reach correct levels!

Hmmm...so Nigeria will now overtake Zimbabwe?

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@dayokanu

^^ Disorderliness we celebrate as freedom?

maybe we can start from the freedom to shiiitt on the roadside displayed in broad daylight in Obalende.

Freedom to blast music at night in residential areas.

Freedom to drink and drive without being questioned

Freedom to block the road for parties without regards for other road users etc

You are being unfair to the country.
EVERYTHING IN LIFE has its "Positive and Negative Sides"...and this Nigerian Freedom is no exception!

You cant just highlight the "negative sides" of Freedom in Nigeria without balancing your statements with the "Positive sides" of the same Freedom!

At the end of the day, EVERY MAN WILL MAKE "A PREFERENCE DECISION" , after a careful SWOT Analysis, in "self" best interest!

Only that such "interest", changes with one's life cycle!

No Place like Naija joor!

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BTW: And please, I have seen too many white peeps "Defecating and Urinating" on the road corners and even at door of shops, almost every weekend, around 3am, when returning from Nite Clubs, in the town center! Ko'si ibiti wan ti'ngbe ediye'Ale now?
If you want, l will particularly go out this weekend, take their pictures and Post it here for you to see!
It happens week-in, week-out!

Thanks for providing those "info".

Since Starcomms seems to be the better (of the largely "dial-up speed", so-called broadband!) of the Data packages (internet) that we have around, l was looking for something like this that l can use with their CDMA-type of connection.

I saw some on the Web that uses both GSM and CDMA technology and l hope you can add that to your product list as l am sure the demand for it will be exceedingly great, especially in a place like Lagos.

^^^^^I have read some women here-in (not the bitter ones) and obviously, all hope is not lost!

Our children will learn at the foot of such "good women and fitting Mothers!
Big-Up to "yeyeruzi" and "breathing" (Insightful woman. )

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(playing catch-up on the thread)

Wetin, you guys have completely muddled up the "basis of our discussion" and turned it into a Nigeria-bashing exercise?
In making my own submission earlier, l did put a "proviso" as quoted below:

Take note its not about whether such 'things' are legal or acceptable in a society, it is about fulfilling your heart desires.

Our discussion was a "comparison" of PERSONAL FREEDOM between Nigeria and the Western Countries, in general!

It is not about whether U.S is better than Nigeria in terms of infrastructure (That will be a "No-brainer" even for a three year old!)

All l have said is that in Nigeria, there are certain freedom which you can exercise without restriction, which you can only dream of, in the West. Finito!

It is this "Personal Freedom" that l think (IMO) makes people to have this "yearning to go back home", after spending years abroad, WHEN THEY REACH OR START APPROACHING A CERTAIN "STAGE" IN LIFE!

Dont worry, l observe that most commentators here are actually between the adolescent and say 30+ yrs bracket(no disrespect in any way), but when you get to a certain age/stage in life (apply Maslow's Theory if you care), l can bet my balls that your "thinking" will certainly change!

Even I, have heard it before, l have said so before and l am saying otherwise NOW!

No Beefing, those that want to live-out their lives in a foreign land are at Liberty to do so; those of us who see "what is missing" in the abroad life and decide we will relocate back to fatherland at a point in our life, are simply exercising that same "freedom of self" that beckons so irresistibly!

One thing l am sure of is that "Change is the only constant factor in life"!
Nigeria will not/can not remain as it is, forever (Systems in a state of Entropy always find a way to "settle down" to orderliness)

And l am having an eerie-feeling right now 'cos "when the drum repeatedly starts giving a very high-pitched sound, IT IS JUST ABOUT TO TEAR"!
Cheers to every one.

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@Coogar: our parents paid nepa/water bills for several decades and yet the govt keeps promising
uninterrupted power supply in 2000, 2010, 2020. i heard the last promise was year 4000.
you wanna know why it works abroad? cos people are getting decent services for what they pay.

compare mobile phones to nepa/water. do nigerians not pay for phone credits promptly? why
do you think they pay? they pay cos they still get decent services - no matter what.
nigerians are not animals. after all, the same ones in nigeria travel abroad and become upstanding citizens.

God bless you for this Post!
That "GSM" example was succinct!
Its unfortunate that even we Nigerians dont know ourselves!
We dont realize that we are the "easiest people to govern", if such government has "noble intentions"!
Nigerians became what they are TODAY because successive govts have "ra*ped" them over and over again!

Imagine, Nepa does not bring light for three months (they say Transformer don pafuka! ) yet each month end, they bring you a huge Bill? How long will you continue to act the "good Nigerian" and keep paying up?

Imagine how OBJ promised "stable power" for 8yrs (and used it as one of the justification to increase fuel price, seven times in eight years!)
Imagine that Uncle Umaru of blessed memory, also made one silly 7-point agenda and power was outstanding in it, for good three years?
Imagine that the current "shoe-less" siddon-look champion is also using the same "Power" as one of the justification for his recent 50% fuel hike?

Haaba, we should credit Nigerians for enduring so much degradation...and yet remain positive in their outlook towards life!

*Is it too much to ask your government to provide POWER while you pay for it?
*Why is it so difficult (even if we have to import the wheel barrows) in constructing a road that will last 20yrs? Some of the ones constructed by the colonial masters were still functional in Lagos, before Fashola "renovated" them!
*What is so difficult in "stealing 50%" (if you must steal at all) and using the remaining 50% to provide portable water or build low cost houses for your people? What is the essence of governance sef?


Dont blame the "good" people of Nigeria, blame the "evil" usurpers of machinery of governance.

pheesayor: @Tgirl4real, there's nothing I can really do. The man has refused to listen to anybody. Expect my feedback

You think so?
P.M me his phone-number, if you have it or any way l can contact him.
I will call him personally and speak with him.
He is a human being and l believe a father would not intentionally hurt his own blood.

We will speak man-2-man and you will see changes, permanent ones!

If you doubt, try me, when other efforts have failed.

But l hope we are getting the story as it is, exactly?

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Tgirl4real: Birds of the same feather

Come join us, if you wish!
But we dey flog stubborn gaals well-wella O!

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laidback: Please I'd like to know, did they refund 100% or just a part? But if I have to engage a lawyer to write then that means my legal fees would be included in the refund as well. They debited my account some 81,000, by the time you subtract legal, how much is left?

There is no "Legal fees" when a "Court Action" has not been taken yet!
What you need is a Lawyer to write them a simple letter of "intent to take up legal action" if they dont refund the money.
That should not cost more than two thousand naira, at most!

it is only when they refuse, that your Lawyer would now institute a legal action in a court of Law.
Again, ask the Lawyer for a "Prono Bono" arraingement (No win, No fee).

if he is sure you have a "good case" and he will win, he will agree!
At the end, he will add his fees (+about 25% more) to whatever relief he is seeking from the court.

If he wins, he gets 30% of whatever you are granted by the court. Simple.

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jbaur24: Yoroobas are cannibals and barbarians. Its sucks to mention yorooba. Well nothing takes me to the Yoruba jungles and caves called state capitals

Another "APE" with internet access!
Stay in your own jungle and swing on trees naah!

stillwater: Lol, that was funny. Anyway, what about the West makes you think your freedom is restricted?

Allow me to come-in please.
"Freedom" is doing that which you want, when you want it, how you want it and for as long as it pleases your heart or gives you happiness".

Take note its not about whether such 'things' are legal or acceptable in a society, it is about fulfilling your heart desires.
Thus, when you work hard for money and you decide in your heart that you want a house that is X-meters high, Y-Color and the fence should be Z-meters in height, you go ahead and build one.....That my friend is freedom!

If someone or some law says "No Way, you cant", then your freedom has been restricted.
In Nigeria, we build our house "to our taste" in absolute freedom!

In the "West" (America, U.K an Europe generally), go to a street and you would see all the house looks so alike (height, color, joined at the hip! ,e.t.c) that you wonder if you're on a film set!

In Nigeria, you can have your party the way you want it (spray your money, make your music as loud as you want, even block the road in your area! ), you have the freedom to party like an animal but try it in the West! Your freedom in that sense, is restricted!

In Nigeria, you can "train your children" the way you like, to your taste without some "government official" who probably in most cases, is not even married nor have kids, telling you how you should raise your own kid (and threatening you along the way!).
That is a restriction on your freedom to bring up your own kids as you wish!

In Nigeria, you can spend your money as you wish, you can carry as much cash as you want, put as much in your account or under your bed! No one gives a hoot! That is freedom with your money. Carrying over 5,000 cash abroad will earn you a lot of "interrogation from the Cops". They would want you to satisfy them as to the source of the money (reasonable in my own opinion) but in Nigeria, who cares? Its your money and if anyone ask you, you can ask them to kiss my black ar.se!

In Nigeria, you can talk "carelessly", you can joke carelessly and "just act" without a care! In the West, every word, action, innuendo "is guarded", watched and weighed 'cos before you know it, "an offense" has been committed!

In Nigeria, your kids (and even you) can bath in the rain, you can run around with pants only but "indecent exposure" is never far from their lips, in the West.

In Nigeria, fathers sleep on the same bed with their daughters, brothers and sisters sleep on the same bed for ages but in the West, you have to separate the "boy's room" from the "girls room" and if a father is found "getting too close" to his daughter, "eye brows" get raised! (What da feck, l mean she is your daughter, your own blood!)

In Nigeria, anyone can buy any car, of any worth, without questions from anyone but over here, at a certain age, you are not allowed to drive certain cars (except you're a "known star" like Rooney or a Musician/Artist) without the Police paying you a courtesy visit. Even if you're able to explain your source of income, the "Tax-man" will still be watching you from the shadows!

I can go on for ever about how the West has curtailed "individual freedom and liberty" (without even getting into "nitty-gritty issues" like "security, eaves-dropping, phone-tapping, E-mail hacking, poke-nosing neighbors, (those jobless, old oyinbo women that peep from their window once they see a "black person" around! ), e.t.c

Mind you, for the sake of clarity, let me repeat: It is not about good or bad, legal or illegal, it just about having the freedom to do as your heart pleases!

In summary, Nigeria guarantees you absolute freedom!
That is why you will hardly see a Nigerian commit Suicide! We like to enjoy life in absolute freedom, to the fullest possible, despite the poor infrastructures!
This is what some people "seek to satisfy", after "seeing it all" in the West!
Of what benefit is life, if not lived in absolute freedom, or do you think you will come back a second time?

stillwater: My dad has such fond feelings for Nigeria, but whenever he visits and comes back, that week would be spent in anger and major criticisms of Nigeria.

Sure, no one who has "experienced" Nigeria in its "glory days" (1950's to 1970's) would not be angry, seeing what Nigeria has become; moreso when he knows that Nigeria has the wherewithal to surpass most of the western countries, in terms of development!

His anger is not about the country itself but directed at those who are making it difficult for him to make the decision to come back home completely!
Do you know that almost every house in lagos (including those in a village setting like Isale-Eko, Bariga, Mushin, Onike-Iwaya, Agege, e.t.c in the 70's), all have running showers in their bathrooms and all streets have this gigantic, metallic "Public Tap" and working street lights plus excellent tarred roads?
Fast forward to 2010, we dont even have running tap water for drinking!

Do you know that there was a time when Brits and Americans queue-up to get Nigerian Visa and the pounds (GBP) was equal to 75kobo?
This is why your Dad is angry; because going home each time, reminds him of those days, not too far off.

Its not only your Dad that gets annoyed, l am absolutely livid too!

Take heart, "E go better", Na "Generator" name be that!

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Am enjoying this thread so much but cant squeeze out the time to write a "reasoned reply" to many contributions here-in!
Sharp-sharp anyway, relocating back home is NOT always about coming to work for "some corporations"!
I have lived, schooled and worked abroad, made money and invested it wisely at home (in business that wont need my presence 100% of the time). I have a home and family too.

WHAT MORE DO I NEED NOW? In my current "stage" in life?
That is the question most people wanting to relocate back home, ASK THEMSELVES!

The answer to that question is usually not found ABROAD! but in Nigeria!

All the so-called "problems of Nigeria" are not my problems 'cos l have taken time to make provisions for them!
You will be surprised at how easily you can adapt and overcome these challenges afterall, for my first year abroad, it was "Catarrh" every day for a whole year but now, l can walk bear-footed on the snow covered walk-way and NOTHING GO HAPPEN!

Money (and a lot of reasonable/logical thinking) solves MOST Problems!!

I understand those who dont feel like coming home [b]NOW but l assure them that l was once in their shoes, let us come back here in five to ten years time for a review and ask them if they still feel the same way![/b]

Like Abraham Maslow showed, its all a STAGE in our lifecyle.

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Mimes "Ajoo o'dabi ile (Abroad is never like Home) by Soul Sultan

Stop spreading Rumors!
This is just exactly what the Boko Haram people expect: Senseless Panic!
What you should have done first is to [b]VERIFY THE CLAIM [/b]before shouting "Egbaami O", like a Lagos Pepper Seller!
You would even do better if you just inform the Bomb Squad who can verify the truth and then issue an alert!

Put your BB to good use and stop abusing it!

Small time now, everyone in Lagos will be running helter-skelter while Boko Haram is having a cold beer somewhere in Kaduna state!

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