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PoliticsRe: South West Historians LYING To Nigerians. by LaudableXX: 1:42pm On Mar 25, 2018
Ngokafor:
One thing i know about yorubas is that they are adept at twisting facts,re-writting history,out-right lies and manic propaganda.
Maka gini? shocked Na wetin Yoruba people take do you? It appears that special 'juju they cooked for their detractors, has finally taken root in your life. If you do not mention their name in one day, it appears you cannot make progress for that day. Otherwise, how can anyone explain this obsession you have with them? Ndo. Try and take it easy. Enyi, may you receive deliverance from the affliction that plagues your mind. If you were from my area now, I would know the right dibia that could be summoned to treat yah case.... undecided
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Business To BusinessRe: Gaslab 0.5 by LaudableXX: 11:52am On Mar 25, 2018
When is the next course going to be held?
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 11:48am On Mar 25, 2018
aminulive:
@POLITICSNGR

The Chairman of Zenith Bank Plc, Jim Ovia, in a new video, has recounted fond memories of arriving Lagos as a university graduate, and leveraging on the numerous opportunities offered by the Centre of Excellence to establish Zenith bank, which has grown to become one of Africa’s biggest global financial institutions.

Describing his experience in Lagos as “very interesting”, Ovia recounted the story of a city that has provided business and entertainment opportunities in equal measure, enabling upwardly mobile young men and women to pursue their dreams, innovate, transform and achieve beyond their imaginations.

He said, “Lagos has been a very interesting experience for most people who’d come to Lagos over a number of years… people like us – members of my age group and peer group – that had the opportunity to come to Lagos and work, and also transform a number of things.


Ovia added, “As far back as in the early ‘70s, I used to work at Barclays Bank, the good old days of Barclays Bank, which transformed to become Union Bank.

“I used to be a clerical officer at the Ikeja (Oba Akran Avenue) branch and it was very interesting how we used to take the LMTS buses – you remember the LMTS buses of those days. Yes, truly, truly so. We grew up under this kind of situation where things were well-organised and things are still very well-organized today. That was when Lagos used to bubble, but not anywhere near as it is today.”


He recalled that most university graduates in the early ‘70s thought of Lagos as the land where every dream was realisable, and one could have fun while achieving the dream, whatever it was.

“After university education, we thought Lagos was the only place where you could come and work, and also enjoy social life,” he noted. “So, we continued in the Lagos that we’d known because we called ourselves Lagos boys. (I) did my NYSC at Union Bank at 131 Broad Street. Remember Broad Street is the equivalent of Wall Street of New York. And we all know (what) Wall Street had become over a number of years – all the most multinationals as well as the large financial institutions were at Wall Street at that point in time.

Then from after the NYSC, I started working for First National Bank of Chicago. We used to call it IMB – International Merchant Bank. And from then on, because Lagos provides very interesting opportunities, we all had opportunities to combine resources and have what we call Zenith Bank, at Ajose Adeogun (Victoria Island).

We built it, maintained it, lit it up and today it is one of the most lit-up streets in Nigeria.

According to him, the urge to beautify and add to the allure of Lagos led the bank to provide, on a yearly basis, one-of-a-kind Christmas decorations and lights around its headquarters in Ajose Adeogun Street for the viewing pleasure of children on vacation.

“We do that every year for the fun of it as a way of saying thank you to Lagos,” he said, “As we could see at the penthouse of the Civic Centre Towers, we can overlook how beautiful Lagos is, overlooking the Falomo Bridge and the beautiful Lagoon, the Number 5 Cowry, and all the beautiful structures above. Of course, the ever busy Lekki Concession Road, which is also the continuation of Ozumba Mbadiwe Street.

He recounted how every young men and women of the time considered a regular visit to Fela Anikulapo-Kuti’s African Shrine in Ikeja as an essential ingredient of Lagos life.

“We remember in those good old days, Fela Ransome-Kuti, the Afrobeat King. We all used to go to Fela Ransome-Kuti’s and relax. And of course such music as Shakara Oloje was our favourite. Fela was just number one then. We couldn’t go anywhere else then but Fela’s African Shrine. We remember the African Shrine and that was a lot of fun for us.”

According to him, one could never truly claim to live in Lagos without visiting the Bar Beach, on the Lagos Atlantic coastline.

“And of course Bar Beach. We used to go to Bar Beach in those good old days. Going to Bar Beach was like fun. You go there to watch the water, the waves,” he said.

“What else is there to do in Lagos? Quite a number of things, a number of activities: Lagos is always very welcoming, very relaxing.

“Other than the hustle, bustle, business activities and the profit you make, there are many places where you can spend those profits also.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7o2CeN04XE

https://politicsngr.com/zenith-bank-chairman-tells-incredible-lagos-success-story/
PropertiesRe: URGENT!!!A Buyer Looking To Purchase A Gas Plant Within Port Harcourt by LaudableXX: 11:42am On Mar 25, 2018
obi58:
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RomanceRe: 13 Truths All Single Ladies Should Know!!! by LaudableXX: 9:42am On Mar 25, 2018
LordKO:
High intellect (quality brain) without good/high ethical and emotional quotients is balderdash - intelligence alone can never be a deciding factor in conquering any sane and sound man's heart, mental saneness can take its place and accompanied by the aforementioned values. It can only be an added advantage.

To your second point, you ought to know that wish isn't a proponent of reciprocity - beauty still remain in the eye of the beholder.

As for your number three, your postulation can only be true if the lady in question is conscientious - some people are so confused to the extent that only persuasion can make them to act properly.

With regards to number 4, even though I'm not a proponent and practitioner of violence or abuse of any kind yet, you need to understand that action begets reaction - therefore, there's a possibility that a man who assaulted his woman once may not repeat it again in his lifetime, especially if the woman avoid doing the same thing(s) that brought about the physical abuse in the first instance. . . I hold no brief for small-minded men.

Coming to your number 5, until the rule of exception becomes a crime, I don't see the logic behind the postulation.

That number 6 can only be true when mental saneness replaced quality brain (high intellect).

The rest of your submissions are perfectly in order.
Saneness? I thought the correct term was 'sanity?'
PoliticsRe: "I Did Not Say Boko Haram Will Release Christian Girl Yesterday" – IG Of Police by LaudableXX: 9:11am On Mar 25, 2018
This IGP must be related to Lai 'Lie' Mohammed. Isn't he the same man who spoke on camera on Channels TV News last night that he was going to receive the abducted girl Leah, as she would be released yesterday?
PoliticsRe: South West Historians LYING To Nigerians. by LaudableXX: 9:08am On Mar 25, 2018
Ikechuob:
I Ikechuob will Go and join the rest of my your tribalist savage brethren and stop disturbing your my mentions. When I'm ready to address your my stupidity, I'll call you. It's Sunday. I You got better shit to do than deal with your my unemployed coward delusional pedophilic ass. I Ikechuob will Go rape your my sister like you're I am known for and f2k off my mention.

Lastly, once more

BusinessRe: Jim Ovia: "My Lagos Success Story" (Video) by LaudableXX:
Throwback:
Are you telling me that Jim Ovia did not come to Lagos from his village in Delta with awesome wealth?

So he came to Lagos to develop himself financially, and not that he came with his village wealth to develop Lagos?

Kenekings and his fellow clansmen need to see this Lagos wonder. Always lamenting that their brothers should return home to invest as though the money they have now in Lagos was brought from the village. Meanwhile, they root themselves in Lagos, afraid to return to the barren lend they forsook, yet are clamouring for others to return.

Jim Ovia has made his wealth in Lagos and he has paid his tax and dues to Lagos. Those who are in the village and are not happy with his progress should come force him back to his village.
cc: totit, Lot13

PoliticsRe: South West Historians LYING To Nigerians. by LaudableXX: 9:00am On Mar 25, 2018
Ikechuob:
...
Now, why are you giving yourself the finger? You just proved how accurate my statement was about you.
PoliticsRe: South West Historians LYING To Nigerians. by LaudableXX: 8:54am On Mar 25, 2018
omojesu202:
watch that your niece closely. you mighty need to take her to see a psychiatrist

PoliticsRe: South West Historians LYING To Nigerians. by LaudableXX:
Ikechuob:
Is it today you learned everything from Yoruba is a damn lie. Nigga I'm 26 years old and even I know to take everything from Afonja with a grain of salt. If you truly older than 40 and you're just learning this then brother I pity you. You woke up late. You should know by now that anything written by an Afonja throw that shit in a garbage until a non yoruba confirms what the Afonja wrote.
You are only 26? huh Now that explains why immaturity, juvenile drivel and shallow reasoning drip through a lot of your posts....
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 11:17pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
There is nothing i wont see here. So if you are asked why apapa has more traffic than Onne, you would say its simply preference of importers.

Do you know Onne port wasnt a multipurpose port before?

Do you know it was fully concessioned to Intel?

Do you know that the charges in Onne Port are much more expensive? and who do you thank for that, the importers i guess grin grin

The article you cited from the nation clearly showed the FGs plans for the port.

The article clearly stated that the MD of NPA clearly wanted to reposition the port as a hub of trade in west africa and you are still arguing.

Do you know that calabar port is one of the only ports in the world to be located on the convex side of a channel thereby causing silt deposition and needing constant dredging?

Am sure you dont care to know. you just copied an article from the nation and as far as you are concerned, Onne was always as good as apapa and calabar could also handle apapa's traffic.

Dont worry very soon, Onne would be fully functional and attract more ships, Ibaka is coming on board in a few years time. Cross river state government is dredging calabar seaport and you will see the impact on it on the local economy of those states.

As for the argument of why apapa port has more vessel traffic, please kindly open a topic for it and see your views get debunked. The thread has totally derailed and died.
You claim if I was asked "why apapa has more traffic than Onne, you would say its simply preference of importers." Definitely! sad It is a preference of the importers. Afterall, Onne sea port is functional and it makes money for federal govt. How does it earn revenue? From the importers and exporters that use it. The same Onne port in just 3 months has already generated N11.4 billion naira into the federation account, and is expected to generate about N117.8 billion as revenue for 2018. undecided

So, if some importers and exporters are using Onne, and others are not, then it would be right to conclude that it is a matter of preference, isn't it? huh Does the fact that Onne was concessioned to Intels, mean that different importers and exporters cannot use the port? Hasn't Intels contract been terminated?

Shipping traffic at a sea port is dependent upon usage, and how often importers and exporters consign their shipment to such a specific port. So if importers from your region keep consigning their goods to Apapa port, instead of Onne, how is that the fault of Apapa port, or how is it the fault of Lagos that hosts the port? shocked If the NPA wants to reposition Onne as a hub for West Africa, isn't that a good sign? You should be happy. Afterall, even Apapa port is not a hub for West Africa, yet.

Several threads have been opened about Apapa port, so just do a content analysis on NL, and see the viewpoints of different people. Those who complain about Onne seaport have never even used it before, yet they are the ones that make the greatest noise against it. undecided

As for Calabar sea port, you are the one that keeps bringing it up. I am not bothered about Calabar sea port, because its shallow draft is a well known problem. sad
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 6:39pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
Dont mind the human being.

See him yapping about why we arent using calabar and onne sea ports. Who told him we dont use them? and who told him igbos are not in droves in those regions?

He keeps denying he is yoruba but from his political views and statements and even level of exposure, his ethnicity and bias is clear for everyone to see.
You keep proving my assertions, right. sad Didn't I tell you earlier, that you and your people are quick to insult others who do not share your views? You either label them Afonja, or accuse them of hating Igbos, or allege that they suffer from Igbophobia. So far, you have not disappointed me. You have done almost all the above, even after I categorically told you in an earlier post that I do not come from the Southwest. How pathetic. undecided
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 6:36pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
Tell me where i ever said that those ports werent used.

I always called Apapa port the largest and most reliable port not the ONLY port. I never called apapa the only port.

Dont tell me abt your friend in Onne port. I also have friends working in Intels Ltd who work at Onne. So i have more info abt those ports than you do.

Does the article ever state that Onne was ever more reliable than Apapa. Is it not now that customs and FG are trying to market and invest greatly while encouraging people to utilize it.

In case you dont know, igbos still utilize it and most importantly, there are igbos in Onne because of the port activity and also igbos in PH and calabar. So what exactly are you driving at with this port issue.

You claimed igbos are just trooping to lagos after it being FCT while there are other ports. So should igbos use apapa without using Onne or vice versa?

Are they not free to use all? So what are you yapping about, igbos are in those towns but there are clearly far more investment attractions in lagos for just one city thats why more people troop over there. Is that simple logic hard for you to understand.

Guy i dont have time to waste with you again. Enjoy your bias and bubble.
You don't have time to waste with me, yet you jump up every second to quote my posts, and indulge in name calling and insults? shocked Very funny. cheesy

You earlier said : "lagos was more than just an FCT. It had and still has our biggest and most functional sea port and airport,...."

Then you made another post claiming that Onne "port was not operating on the level of Apapa due to FGs neglect and now the FG wants to correct that."

You even posted links from 3 different articles to support your point, about how poorly Onne functioned in your view. I had to cite an article to show you that Onne was in fact bigger in size than Apapa, and also had capacity to handle large shipping volumes, which is what has led the federal government/NPA to upgrade the port and increase its handling facilities. Now, if you want to split hairs further and engage in petty name calling, you are free to do so. Continue with your rants.... undecided
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 6:14pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
Are you this dull or what ?

Cant you relate my statement on luxury cars to the fact that there is a thriving upper class in lagos that is highly prosperous. Or do you want me to count the luxury cars i have seen. For the fact that you cant even see the relationship btw that statement and prosperity in lagos just shows that you are thinking in a purely robotic manner.

Should i break this thing down for you into tiny bits? I really dont understand. If you are asking why i am pained, its because i have to deal with intellectually dishonest people like you who know exactly what am talking about but want to shove their half baked theories down others throat.
The summary of the luxury cars statement just shows that poverty can exist side by side in any city or political entity. A very simple concept which you refuse to accept now because it doesnt suit the desired goal you want to prove.

The migration to australia and usa was as a result of multi faceted reasons which even helps disprove your horrible logic that states that
" massive migration shouldnt occur with economic prosperity".
Didn't I say you should not derail this thread by digressing and citing irrelevant examples, unrelated to the subject at hand? huh Stick to the topic, or kindly leave. undecided And try and keep your pain in your pocket, biko. No one is interested in your rants and insults....
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
Am so happy you posted that link about onne port.

What does the article say?

Didnt you read where she said the investments in it would make it a major hub for market activities in the SE?

Are you not seeing that the FG is now trying to shift the balance from Apapa to the SS.
When was the article released? Was it not yesterday?

When were the to-do dates of the major reforms to be done on the port, is it not this year and even still ongoing.

So Onne getting a facelift and a revamp now means that it should have been as good and reliable as Apapa all this while.

Let the FG complete it, let Ibaka seaport and calabar seaports dredging and expansion be completed and see if the migratory patterns of the igbo wont follow the same route.

The article just buried your point. With your hand you have shown that the port was not operating on the level of Apapa due to FGs neglect and now the FG wants to correct that. the article is even a confirmation of all the links i sent earlier. As you said the links were outdated as they showed the as-is but your article shows the to-be.

If you are asking why am pained, i will tell you.

I am pained because i am clearly arguing with a tribal bigot who is trying to cloak it with calmness and sophistry.

Guy i have read your posts on other threads and i am 100% correct if i say that you hate igbos.

You talk about attitudes we show when we are shown facts but you forget to see that my attitude towards you is clearly justified owing to the fact that am an avid reader of NL politics section and i know the active posters and their viewpoints ranging from the hateful to the neutral.

There is no reason on earth why i should even be civil with you, am just doing it so others will read and debunk all the nonsense myths you guys continually push here.
Your problem is that you cannot be bothered to do research or read comprehensively. There are several articles about Onne port on the internet, and I have various colleagues whose organisations transact business daily at Onne port. In fact, my former clients are still based at Onne port and that area is well known. And the article I cited in my previous post, merely buttressed my point and expantiated it. If Onne port was not functional like you initially claimed, would the govt be thinking of making it a hub? Apapa port in Lagos is not even a hub, for West Africa.

You are upset and hysterical, because the myopic perspective you have been trying to paint about your people, is not gaining traction. sad Now, because I did not buy into your flawed perspective, you started ranting about 'hating Igbos." Very funny! cheesy Such juvenile drivel should not be coming from the keyboard of a man like you.

But I am not surprised, because that is how you and your people stoop so low, when others fail to buy into their viewpoint. i will not stoop to your level by engaging in name-calling. Insults are becoming your trademark, so you can indulge in them to your heart's content.

At least you have now accepted that Onne sea port is functional, which was a far cry from what you said before.

https://sweetcrudereports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SweetcrudeReports-logo.jpg

Eastern ports are safe for business, says Customs | November 5, 2017 |

05 November 2017, Sweetcrude, Port Harcourt – The Comptroller of Customs, Port Harcourt Area II Comand, Onne, Mr. Bashir Abubakar, has assured that seaports in the eastern part of the country are safe for business....

He hinted that such was the idea of the Comptroller-General of Customs, Co.l Hameed Ali (Rtd), saying that he would only key into the project.

According to him, Ali has the interest of port users in the country at heart and would not watch anyone to destroy his vision.

He added that inspection of cargo and other practices at the ports were in line with the best international practice based on the Comptroller-General’s directives on ease of doing business.

“Seaports in the eastern part of the country are safe for all kinds of business.

“Importers and other port users from this area who used other ports are not fair to themselves.

“Importing goods through other countries like Cotonou, is against the spirit of patriotism, because all eastern ports including that of Warri in Delta State are safer for business, quality vessels berths here.”

The Onne Customs boss also said plans have reached advanced stage towards making the eastern ports huge revenue pining points among the seaports in the Federation.

He said the plans were in consonance with the Comptroller-General of Customs’ plans to adopt international best practices in doing business in the country’s seaports. http://sweetcrudereports.com/2017/11/05/eastern-ports-safe-business-says-customs/
2018: Onne Port Customs Targets N117.8bn Revenue | By The Tide - March 23, 2018 |

The Nigerian Custom Service Onne in Rivers State says, it is targeting N117.8billion as revenue for 2018 from onne seaport alone in the country
The Customs Area Controller, Compt Abnbakar Bashir, made this known in a chat with newsmen at onne in Rivers State.

He said, so far the command has generated N11.4billion into the Federated Account between the month of January to date and that the command has resolved to improve on its revenue generation to meet up its target before the your runs out. Abubakar reiterated the command’s readiness to end all illegal activities Onne port.

He said the command has already introduced several disputes resolvotion medemisms to create synergies with all relevant stakeholders to facilitate trade at the port.

He also said that the command has embarked on series of training for officers and other stakeholders on IT compliance to improve the modern custom procedures, security and threat at the Port.

The controller said several prohibited goods were seized at the port in line with the 3-point agenda of the Nigerian Customs Service, saying that Onne Port was among the few sea ports rated as crime-no-go- area zone in the country.

Abubakar who restated his commitment to ensure that Onne seaport is rated as the best sea port in Nigeria, urged all stakeholders and relevant authorities to support the command in order to create an enabling environment for economic improvement in the state and the country in general .http://www.thetidenewsonline.com/2018/03/23/2018-onne-port-customs-targets-n117-8bn-revenue/
Finally, you said you are an avid reader of NL politics section. Ok, how many of my posts have you read on NL? And in how many of them did I say that I hated Igbos? Tell everyone....
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
Am sorry to say but you are clearly a liar. And you know what pathological liars do? They pin it others and even start believing their lies.

You asked a question about why people migrate out of the east to lagos and i simply tried to show you that the answer is not far from you.

You kept on bringing old stereotypes that have been over flogged on NL of how igbos just rush to lagos with no means of survival and tried to simplify the reason for that. For you igbo migration is as a result of lack of economic prosperity and viability in the SE but migration from kano, edo and ogun state is more complex i guess.


If i call you biased you will say am making an assumption.

So you realize there are several reasons why people from Kano and Rivers migrate to lagos and you dont want to attribute it to lack in their own case but for igbos it must be lack and poverty in the SE. Because your initial question of why igbos migrate when there is prosperity in the SE makes the assumption that if prosperity exists somewhere then outward migration to areas of more prosperity shouldnt exist.



I have used examples of chinese and indian migration to show that you cant paint a whole place black because there is actually a better place but you are still adamant and you even call it a poorly linked analogy. I gave you examples of people being unemployed in lagos and even seeking greener pastures abroad as proof that even when there is prosperity somewhere it still cant get to every single person but you are still purposely ignoring it and calling it a poorly linked analogy. Something that doesnt take a five year old 5 minutes to understand and correlate.

I have tried to be civil with you but you are no different from the other uncouth afonjas on this thread and on NL who go about yapping IPOB yoots and Igbos and yeasterners, you just try to be more civil and calm but i see the stubborness behind all that and most importantly i see that your ideology and political view of the igbos is as crass, parochial, hateful, myopic and tribalistic as any other anti-igbo person on NL.

For petes sake, i have read your posts on various threads and your single agenda on NL seems to be to paint igbos and all their experiences in a negative light. Why am i even bothering with you as if i can reach a conclusion.

You even ignored the links i sent to you to show why apapa is more active than Onne and calabar port. Why wont you ignore it when its sweeter to believe that igbos are purposely ignoring sth in their backyard and being architects of their own misfortune. If you had read those links then there would be no need to even argue about why lagos should always receive more migration from the federation as a whole

You love your lies and your belief and you hold it dear to you so please keep it close to your heart cause am not even trying to make you see your error again, when lies have built ones sense of identity and self righteousness then they may serve a purpose in that persons life, a purpose which i wont want to thwart.


Well done.

Am done with this debate.
You are clearly upset and hysterical. sad That is why you are now ranting and throwing tantrums. Try not to kill yahself over this matter, o! shocked Anyway, by using the words pathological liar, it shows that lying is clearly is one of your qualities, that is why you can fling such words around with reckless abandon.

I will not trade insults with you or engage in name calling with you. So let me leave the floor for you....!
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 5:25pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
Oga i dont have strength for this back and forth. Read my posts again and see if i ever singled out federal presence as the only reason for migration to lagos or the major reason. There is a difference between only and major.

Oga, go to Onne and you will see tons of igbos there.

You claim to have interacted with so many people but i seriously doubt.

Go to port harcourt and see the large population of igbos there.

Igbos were in akwa ibom trading way even before Akpabios transformation so is it now that there wont be igbos there.

All the states you mentioned have large populations of igbos but not as much as lagos because of technical issues.

Please read the links below and see if Onne port and calabar port can handle the traffic that lagos ports handle and whose fault that is. Is it the igbo traders that should build the ports?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

https://www.nairaland.com/2651102/why-rivers-state-sea-port/2

http://shipsandports.com.ng/calabar-port-not-functioning-sited-wrong-place-suleiman/

The way you said my people still flocked to lagos daily, please is there a problem with that.

If there are opportunities for business and corporate jobs in lagos, shouldnt igbos go there?

If there are opportunities for retail and agriculture in the north, shouldnt igbos be there?

If there are opportunities all around the country, there is nothing that should stop people from taking it, after all its their country

There are numerous billionaires in nigeria that are still taking advantages of new industries, is that a crime?

That Dangote has diversified into the petrochemical industry, does it mean that the cement industry wasnt prosperous?

You are just blabbing and making no sense, i have given you examples and shown you that their is prosperity in the east but it can never be enough just like you still have massive poverty in lagos does it mean there is no prosperity in lagos.

You are clearly biased and you are desperately trying to paint igbo migration to lagos as a form of desperate refugee movement but you see nothing wrong with Yoruba, Edo and other tribes migration.

You are even talking about infrastructure in other places and am telling you that based on the migratory aspect of human behaviour, Igbos have behaved predictably by taking all opportunities both home and abroad. Even where there is no infrastructure, igbos go to trade and make a good living for themselves in unsaturated markets then you are now surprised that they move to lagos.

Go to Abuja, Port harcourt, Calabar, Uyo, Warri, Benin, kano, kaduna and every nigerian town and see if you wont see igbo business men there. From an international perspective, go to every continent and see if you wont see the chinese doing business there, does it mean that their country is poor.

When Great britain wa the biggest and richest empire in the world, britons still migrated and formed many new world countries like canada,usa,australia and the likes, did that change the fact that britain was a world power then.

How does migration undermine prosperity?

I gave you an example that you dont want to factor in. I gave an example of how lagosians migrate in droves to various countries, does their migration undermine the amount of prosperity in lagos.

Only in VI,lagos, i cant count the number of luxury ferraris and lamborghinis i have seen, i cant count the number of young comfortable millionaires under 40 in lagos or is it the corporate managerial class in lagos or the businessmen building wonderful structures across lagos. All the forms of prosperity in lagos cannot remove the fact of poverty in the city and no matter how widespread opportunities are in lagos, lagosians are still leaving the country just for the simple fact that opportunities in an undeveloped country like nigeria cannot go round adequately to every ambitious youth.

Yet you still stubbornly want to paint the SE as poor and later you will claim you are not biased.

And you are talking of freeing my mind, i gave you a more robust explanation in an article on lagos migration patterns. if you had read it you still wont be stubbornly persisting. The article clearly factors precolonial migration and other forms of migration from trade amongst yorubas and even coastal and fishing activity but the article also clearly explained the importance of the federal presence and corporate presence in lagos and how it affected immigration from all corners of the country and you still want to be blind to it.
http://www.republic.com.ng/junejuly-2017/capitalism-central/

Let me ask you, has migration from other SW states to lagos stopped since Abuja was made capital? If the answer is no, please why is there a problem if igbo migration to lagos doesnt stop.
Like I said earlier, it appears you are strongly averse to the truth. sad And you love jumping from pillar to post, citing unrelated examples as an excuse to digress from the topic, and twist the subject. How did this topic suddenly turn round to focus upon "the number of luxury ferraris and lamborghinis i have seen, i cant count the number of young comfortable millionaires under 40 in lagos or is it the corporate managerial class in lagos or the businessmen building wonderful structures across lagos...??" Who asked you? shocked You like to major in the unimportant, and elevate irrational points into highly elevated works.

The reason why immigrants founded America, Australia etc are wide and multi-faceted. undecided So by flinging them around on this thread, it shows you are just digressing in a bid to confuse the relevant issues.

Who is asking Igbos not to go to Port-harcourt, Calabar, Uyo, Warri, Benin, kano, kaduna?? Why are you just ranting out of context? huh shocked Why are you so pained??

And sorry to disappoint you, Onne port is highly functional. Those articles you cited are totally outdated.

https://thenationonlineng.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/logo-the-nation1.png

NPA deploys $30m equipment in Onne Port | Posted By: Oluwakemi Dauda On: March 23, 2018 |

The Nigerian Ports Authority ( NPA) has concluded plans to deploy equipment worth over $30 million to Onne port, Rivers State, it was learnt yesterday.

The measure, it was gathered, is being taken by the NPA Managing Director, Ms Hadiza Bala Usman, to boost efficiency, security and make the port attractive for business. Onne Port Complex is one of the key ports of the nation under the NPA, it is situated on the Bonny River Estuary along Ogu creek.

Speaking at a stakeholders’ meeting organised by the NPA at the Onne Port complex yesterday, Ms Usman, who was represented by the Executive Director, Finance & Administration, Mohammed Bello Koko, said six pilot cutters, tug boats and 17 meter offshore patrol boats, would soon be deployed to the port to make the port attractive and stem the cycle of criminalities within and around the port.

Although, Ms Usman did not state the amount of the equipment, but sources at Onne Port told The Nation that it would cost the agency more than $30 million to deploy the sophisticated equipment.The managing director condemned what she called indiscriminate anchorage of vessels and directed the perpetrators to desist.

Another stakeholder, Mr Felix Abraham, said the deployment of the equipment would assist the port in taking its rightful position “as a hub for the west and central Africa Sub – regions in oil and gas and has an advantage of accessibility, proximity to the Eastern commercial centres like Onitsha, Nnewi and Aba, among others.

“Activities such as pipe coating, waste treatment and boat building are provided by companies located in Onne.

“The port is highly industrialised with modern facilities and equipment that can stand the test of time anywhere in the world.

“It has one of the biggest habour mobile cranes in Africa, (Liebherr 600) with a lifting capacity of 208 metric tonnes. Also 220 Gmk 5220 grove twin cranes that has capacity of lifting single heavy duty cargo of 300 tonnes,” he said.

At the meeting were representatives of the host community, importers, clearing agents, terminal operators, investors and representatives of security agencies including Customs, Immigration, Navy and the police.

Also yesterday, the Minister of the Environment, Ibrahim Jibril, says the Nigerian Customs Service has intercepted elephant tusks and pangolin, worth about N1.2 billion, between February 15 and March 22.

Represented by his Permanent Secretary Malam Shehu Ahmed, the minister said in Abuja at a one-day workshop on how to combat illegal wildlife trade and international trade in endangered species of wild fauna and flora.

The workshop was organised by Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS), in collaboration with the Federal Ministry of Environment.

“On February 15, the Nigerian Customs intercepted and seized 55 sacks of pangolin and 218 pieces of Elephant tusks worth N493, 520,000.

“In less than a month later, the service intercepted and confiscated another 329 sacks of pangolin scales, weighing 8,492kg, valued at N732,857,393. http://thenationonlineng.net/npa-deploys-30m-equipment-onne-port/
Finally you claimed: "You are clearly biased and you are desperately trying to paint igbo migration to lagos as a form of desperate refugee movement but you see nothing wrong with Yoruba, Edo and other tribes migration. Yet you still stubbornly want to paint the SE as poor and later you will claim you are not biased...."

Your allegations are downright pathetic. sad So by clearly expressing a view founded on facts, you claim I am biased? So you want me to quarrel with the Yoruba and Edo, in a bid to please you? Didn't I say it earlier that your attitude is typical of the way your people behave, when others do not share their point of view? huh

You get rattled, lash out at them, call them uncomplimentary names, and accuse them of hating the Igbo. Why am I not surprised by your rants? undecided
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 5:12pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
As for the bolded, i never said it just one factor that caused international migration. I know so many people that migrated for so many reasons other than economic prosperity. But i also know so many more that wanted to migrate for better job opportunities and a higher standard of living. Does the fact that they migrated from lagos undermine the prosperity of the town?
LiberaDeus:
As for the bolded, you are the one with the pure one sided perspective.

If your perspective wasnt one sided, why are you surprised that people from a region would migrate to lagos when other regions are also doing it. Why do people from rich states like Rivers, kano and even ogun state migrate to lagos? Does their migration undermine prosperity existent in their state or does it just simply show that the opportunities are not sufficient for them.

Is it english that is the problem here?

Lets do basic semantics here

If i state that economic prosperity and economic viability exists somewhere does it also equally mean that poverty and unemployment cant exist there?
You know your problem? huh Even if the truth came and hit you right on the head, you would still refuse to acknowledge it. Instead of sticking to the topic, you digress and cite examples that are not related to the topic, or try to throw up analogies that are poorly linked to the subject.

There are several reasons why people from Kano, Rivers and Ogun migrate to a city like Lagos. sad But delving into those reasons, would derail this thread. You were the one who turned the thread into an 'Igbo migration vs Yoruba migration' issue, and sought strenuously to ascribe the reasons for such Yoruba migration to "federal presence, FCT status, infrastructure," theory, and responses were made to show you that was not the case, and the reasons for Yoruba migration were far more complex than that. I do not know why you want me to keep repeating myself.

Each group migrates from one region to another for a variety of reasons. undecided Like I said earlier, the reasons for migration among the Yoruba people included education, social kinship networks, trade, marital ties, etc. Don't forget that the old Western regional government, offered free education at almost all levels, during the 50s and 60s. Many parents sent their wards from rural areas to commercial towns, to acquire an education.

You are good at ascribing wrong insinuations and motives to others, which they have not expressed. sad Now you are claiming that I am 'surprised, that people from a region would migrate to lagos when other regions are also doing it?' Chai! shocked I have never expressed surprise that people migrate, afterall migration has been going on for centuries. My only surprise were the reasons you gave, as being responsible for the migration of different groups to Lagos. You initially went all out to ascribe migration by both Yoruba and Igbo groups, to the same reasons! And that was an error! Now, do I have to break this down into monosyllables, in order for you to understand it? huh

If you want to hold a debate whether economic prosperity and economic viability can co-exist with poverty and unemployment, please open your own thread and debate it over there.... undecided Splitting hairs over an issue, may be your forte but it is a vocation that bores me.
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 4:14pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
You are talking about wholesale businesses starting in lagos and moving to the east. While i am telling you that there are situations where the opposite is the case. There are many spare parts dealerships that started in the east and was utilizing lagos as the port and eventually they spread to lagos.

You clearly dont know anything about the east thats why you make such claims.

You cant be urging me to be truthful when you are trying to force your preconceived belief as fact. You are not part of the igbo social or cultural circle so you clearly dont know how things operate. Are there not major markets in the east? Where do they import from please?

Am not arguing about the fact that many igbos come into lagos from the east with nothing or even proper accomodation. I am only debating the fact that you think that is a sign of extreme poverty over there but you dont see it as a sign of extreme poverty when one migrates from Akure or benin.

And as you claimed you interviewed some that claimed without lagos there is no progress, i will tell you as you told me earlier when i metioned people migrating from Ibadan "Do not generalize". Or are you a reporter who goes to GIGM park everyday to interview all the people alighting from the east to know the reasons why they came.
Nobody is forcing his preconceived beliefs on you, as a fact. undecided You are the one doing so, by trying to wave away salient points that have been made, and pushing one narrative across as the sole perspective that everyone should accept.

LiberaDeus:
To use your logic: "If lagos claims to have one of the highest GDPs in africa and claims to be buoyant and very prosperous, why are lagosians trooping out everyday to the USA and Canada claiming there is nothing for them in Lagos? Why is there a high unemployment rate in lagos?"

If there are so many unemployed people in lagos and so many poor people, does it negate the fact that lagos is actually a land of great business prosperity? Wont it be foolish for people to look at reality from a one sided perspective?

The view you guys have of the SE is very skewed. You guys think that the SE is just a barren empty land aany thing going on there is as a result of people who bring money made from outside the SE.
Lagosians troop out of Lagos to USA and Canada, for a host of reasons. sad It would be wrong to ascribe just one factor, to the purpose for their migration. Meanwhile, that is what you have been doing - by pushing forward your sole "federal presence, FCT status, better infrastructure, seaport etc," theory. There are huge reasons for high unemployment rate within the country, and not just Lagos. Delving into those reasons, would derail this thread.

And as far as one-sided perspectives are concerned, you have an honorary degree in that aspect, sir. I leave the floor to you. undecided You cannot know my view of the Southeast, as I have never used the words "barren empty land" to describe your region. So why are you trying to spin a false narrative about my view of the SE? huh
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 4:05pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
Oga stop pretending, I have read your posts on other threads and i know your stance towards igbos.

There is no victim card here, somethings are just facts that have to be stated.

If you claim you have lived amongst various nigerian communities, why would you wonder if there is prosperity or economic viability in the SE. Based on the questions you asked and your posts am sure you are of the opinion that there is no prosperity in Enugu or Onitsha.

I dont have a problem with your stance, but its better we clarify it so we dont waste our time going on in circles.

Man sees what he wants to see

Can we peacefully end the argument and close the thread as it has no purpose again.
My stance? And what is my stance? huh Is it because I have chosen to set the records straight, each time your people decide to make sweeping generalisations or try to distort the truth? Please go back and do a content analysis of all my posts on NL. And you would see that your claims are unfounded.

Prosperity in Enugu, Onitsha, Nnewi etc has not stopped your folks from migrating to Lagos, and the sad thing is that most of the migrants are not solely businessmen seeking to expand their businesses, or acquire new merchandise. The businessmen are much fewer than the youths. Many of the youths are those who feel there is no opportunity within their region and are trying to escape a life of poverty. undecided
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
When did i ascribe everybodys migration as a result of federal presence?

Go back and reread my post, i admitted other factors of migration and also included the federal effect. WHy is that hard to understand?

And if you say the FCT status ended 27 years ago, sorry but the effects dont end that easily. Families had been groomed already in the town and they got accustomed to the lifestyle of the town. Even if the progenitors of these families could have migrated to the new FCT as a result of work directives, nothing assures you that the mature children of such families will followsuit.

Even if Abuja is no longer the FCT, there are people that will never leave, the population wont automatically go down.

And lagos was more than just an FCT. It had and still has our biggest and most functional sea port and airport, it was home to tons of foreign businesses that were eventually nationalized. It has built a vibrant entertainment sector and even boasts good sport facilities and many other things that ensure continous economic activity. So why would the population dwindle.
You ascribed everybody's migration to Lagos, (including both Yoruba & Igbo) as due to federal presence & infrastructure, present in that city. Go back and check through, all your posts. You even said that was the reason why Yorubas also migrated to Lagos. I had to respond, to let you know that the reasons for Yoruba migration were different.

You still find it hard to understand that a host of other reasons mentioned earlier, which predate the colonial period, have influenced patterns of migration among Yoruba people, till date. sad You keep harping on 'federal presence, seaports, FCT status, infrastructure etc', like a parrot, refusing to recognise that these factors account for a minimal influence, on Yorubas migration pattern. If you cannot free your mind, how can I help you to see the truth? huh

From the colonial period till now, other types of infrastructure have been developed in many cities across Nigeria. sad Akwa Ibom now boasts of a world class stadium and entertainment centres, even better than Lagos. Yet your people still flock to Lagos daily, 27 years after it stopped being a federal capital.

Onne sea port covers an area of 2,538.115 hectares and has one of the biggest harbour mobile cranes in Africa (Liebherr 600), in addition to accounting for over 65% of export cargo through Nigerian sea ports, yet your people still flock to Lagos daily, 27 years after it stopped being a federal capital. undecided

Port Harcourt International airport is the third largest airport in Nigeria, located in Omagwa in Port Harcourt, and it handled just over 1.2 million passengers in 2009, yet your people still flock to Lagos daily, 27 years after it stopped being a federal capital. undecided We understand that Lagos is a magnet for your brethren....
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
I gave you an example of 3 yorubas i knew that moved from Ibadan and you asked how i can generalize from 3 people.

Please i want to ask as per the bolded, how did you reach that conclusion?

You want to use NL as an example, should we start trying to dig up facts to prove which tribe started insulting each other here or on other social media platforms.

Am sorry man, i cant take your bold baseless assertion as truth, its just purely subjective.

Let me tell you something about the hausa fulanis that you dont seem to know.

Hausas migrate to places and forget their ancestry, they give birth to multiple kids that eventually dont bother about their prior state of origin and its only a matter of time before they start clashing with locals over issues like religion and other petty skirmishes. These things blow out into full scale crises.

It has happened in Plateau, Kaduna, Kano, Niger etc. They also insult their hosts and call them ARNE and infidels and all sorts.

If you ask me where the proof of the pudding is, i will simply list all the religious and ethnic crisis that happened in the north and middle belt that involved hausas against indigenous people.

But for your claim about the igbos, your greatest proof would be social media of which we cant properly trace who started dishing out insults there.

You said the yorubas and edos just respond with similar put downs, what about the IJAWS, Ikwerres, Efik, Ibibios, Urhobos, Angas, Berom and every tribe we live amongst, do they also have the yoruba-edo habit of using similar putdowns? So in all the decades of living with southern tribes after the war, there has been no case of a violent crackdown against the igbos from these tribes and you want me to take your claims seriously.

You are the person trying to switch the truth because you already have a preconceived notion which is clearly anti-igbo. You try to spin all your so called facts and even minimize glaring ones to reach your desired conclusion.
How did I reach that conclusion? huh From your previous comments. And from interacting with various ethnic groups, in different parts of Nigeria, and living among various communities in diverse sections of the country. sad In southern Nigeria, where did the issue of crackdown against Igbos arise, except after the military coup, prior to the civil war and during the civil war? I do not want to digress like you are fond of doing, but this attempt to paint Igbos as saints, and every other ethnic group as sinners, isn't going to work. shocked

You have just played the victim card like your people are fond of doing. sad By making reference to social media, you forgot to note that anyone can do a content analysis of posts made on social media to see where the trading of insults began. If you have the time (which unfortunately I do not), you are free to scroll through all the posts and threads on Nairaland, to see where the exchange of insults began. Your people are often the agent provocateurs and when others give them a taste of their own medicine, they start wailing.... undecided

Just because I have stated the facts, you are now claiming I am anti-Igbo? Really? shocked Why am I not surprised? Anyone who does not share the perspective of your group, is either labelled an Afonja, or tagged as anti-Igbo or regarded as Igbophobic. Typical! cheesy
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 2:33pm On Mar 24, 2018
LiberaDeus:
Making claims doesnt make them true.

I know 3 yorubas from ibadan, thats right

I know more than 50 that didnt grow up in lagos but came after tertiary education to land a job. Is there anything strange there.

Could this be another source of argument? Do you want to honestly deny that a sizeable chunk of yorubas in lagos are there because of corporate and business opportunities as a result of FGs investment?

If you are arguing whether a majority of yorubas did so for the same reason, then please kindly explain why Oshogbo doesnt have the same yoruba population strength as lagos or even Ado-Ekiti. From your logic, they were all trading together and migrating together, so why did most settle in lagos?

Kindly read the article here and see the summarized history of migration into lagos

http://www.republic.com.ng/junejuly-2017/capitalism-central/

I never denied the fact that there were indigenous people in lagos or the fact there were migration waves into lagos even before independence, i only explained that the unusual population ratio is as a result of greater opportunities due to federal presence.

Go to abuja and see how many yorubas are there. Why are there more yorubas in abuja than in makurdi, why are there more yorubas in kano and kaduna than in kebbi. Are you trying to re explain human migrational behaviour.

Think of a state being the FCT, then think of over 250 parastatals and MDAs within that state, think of all the foreign companies that choose to do business there, think of all the shipping companies in the state. Then honestly tell me that employment opportunities in lagos hasnt been greater than other SW states.

I dont know why you are trying to minimize the federal effect on lagos. If lagos has a population of over 10 million yorubas, please how can you tell me that you cant see the elephant in the room.

I dont think there is any disagreement here between us on this issue, you cite other factors that caused migration which i accepted but dont minimize the effect of the federal govt.
For your Igbo people, the fact that Lagos was an FCT with infrastructure, was the main reason they migrated to Lagos, according to you. undecided But for the Yoruba people, the FCT status of Lagos and its infrastructure was NOT the sole reason they migrated to Lagos. In fact, it was quite minimal. Migration patterns among the Yorubas predated federal status, and had to do with trade, social kinships, education, community relationships, marital ties etc, right from pre-colonial times. There are studies and evidence that support this fact. You are free to continue clutching at straws, by ascribing everybody's movt to federal presence which ended in Lagos, over 27 years ago....
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX: 2:31pm On Mar 24, 2018
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PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
Coming to your claim about migration. Let me state some facts for you in case you never knew. There are wholesale businesses ran by the igbos in lagos are extensions of the ones in the East. There are people that have a loyal market in the east but import through lagos and after years of success there eventually extend to lagos to set up shop. There are quite a number of businesses like that. In extending to lagos, they still need the services of their subordinates in the east, so some of the business migrants you see in lagos are coming to extend already existing businesses.

As for my region being prosperous, yes it is prosperous but lagos has more opportunities and is more prosperous, thats is not sth to hide. I can say the same thing for any other region or state. And if you are claiming that you are not telling anybody to stay in his region and not migrate, why are you surprised that somebody who prospers in the east is migrating to lagos.

Which type of logic is that, for the fact that you have free rights of movement, why wont you take risks and expand. People are not leaving the east because they are suffering there, no, quite far from it, they are leaving because they love the adventure, love to take risks and there is always more to be made. Simple.

If people migrate from akure to lagos this year, is it because akure has turned into an IDP or because they can make more in lagos. Does it automatically mean that akure is not viable or economically prosperous because more people seek greener pasture in lagos.

For your claim about buying and selling, i gave an example of manufacturers in Aba and nnewi that dont have to leave there. You just ignored it and assumed everybody in the east is into retail business. The manufacturers are ok there doing their type of business and the distributors of those products are the ones that have to move around. Igbos are involved in all forms of businesses in the east and not all of them involve migration but i guess you see what you want to see.

I will say it for you to hear " My region is prosperous, economically viable and full of wealth but Lagos state is even more economically viable and prosperous than my region and every other state in nigeria including the SW states and fortunately lagos is in my country and i alongside millions of igbos can move there". If you think because someones state is a stone throw away from lagos then he has a right to migrate there and question people who come from afar as if they are refugees, why doesnt that SW immigrant stay back home in his town and LGA.

The question about why igbos travel to lagos when the east is prosperous can also be answered by any yoruba person or even nigerian who lives in lagos and is not from the SW

In all these you are not considering the fact that one of the largest markets in west africa is onitsha main market, you are not considering that nnewi as a town is one of the only indigenous manufacturing towns in the country. Am sure you have seen articles on all that.
Nobody denies that wholesale businesses do not exist in the Southeast. sad In fact, if you dig deep, you would discover that quite a number of those businesses, were started from Lagos or the southwestern region by your Igbo people, before they chose to expand into the Southeast. undecided Emzor Pharmaceuticals is one. Genesis Deluxe Cinemas & Hotels is another, just like Nestoil etc. But the reasons for many of your people's exodus into Lagos, is hardly to expand existing businesses in the Southeast. Try and be truthful for once.

Many of the youths who disembark from luxurious buses as they migrate daily into Lagos and other Southwestern commercial towns lack jobs, or even businesses. shocked Some even lack accommodation. They simply see Lagos as an El Dorado, where they think their fortunes will be made, once they alight at the motorparks. Their exodus into Lagos has been well-documented over the years.

The proportion of Igbo businessmen who come to Lagos to expand their business, are much fewer than the proportion of unemployed Igbo youths, who stream into Lagos trying to get a hustle to improve their fortunes. Too many of them will tell you, that there is nothing for them in the Southeast. And if they don't come to Lagos, they cannot make progress. undecided
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
As for your claim about igbos boasting about how prosperous their region is, you dont insult someone and dont expect the person to respond.

The feud between igbos and yorubas has gone on way before the lagos issue came up. You claim that we insult the sensibilities of our host. I just laugh.

In all the places we live in Nigeria, the only places we have gone into any violent altercation with the natives has been in the north and in those cases(plateau, kaduna) we were actually fighting on the side of the true locals against intolerant invaders. We have fought alongside the berom against the fulani in jos, all religious crisis that have ever gone on in kaduna, we have also fought alongside the natives against invaders.

As for every other place, tell me where we have ever invaded or forcefully taken anything that didnt belong to us.

The hausas have created strife every single place they have lived in from Ile-Ife down to Sagamu and even the core north. Yet you claim hausas go about without boasting about their region. Well they dont have to boast since they will turn yours into theirs.

Yorubas insult igbos at every turn then get surprised when we retaliate. Then they start demanding respect from the igbos, even those that arent indigenous to lagos will start demanding it.

Well this is my last post on this thread.
Violent altercation, is not the same as trading insults. sad Your people are known for dishing out insults, derogatory epithets and uncomplimentary remarks, about the indigenes of the lands they settle in. Their defamatory remarks insult the sensibilities of their hosts, and this is a well known fact. Out of the over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria, the Igbos are well known for doing this. The only thing is that while the Yoruba or Edo respond to your people's nasty remarks with similar putdowns, the Hausas, Fulanis etc would rather respond with their fists and daggers. The Igbos insult other ethnic groups, but when those groups react or retaliate, they cry blue murder. Don't try to switch the truth. undecided
PoliticsRe: Ambode's Land Use Charge: A Wake Up Call To Landlords Especially Igbos by LaudableXX:
LiberaDeus:
Let me respond to this one. I didnt deny the existence of indigenous people in Lagos. I am also a student of history and i know the Aworis and Eguns had been in lagos ever since. But you if you are a student of history, you will also know that the most populous town in the SW in the last 200 years wasnt lagos, there were bubbling towns like Oyo Ile(capital of the old OYO empire), Ijebu etc. No one is also denying the fact that indigenous yorubas traded amongst themselves, even northerners did that nd had cities like Kano, Zazzau, Daura etc. But imagine stating that the overwhelming northern population in Abuja for example is still as a result of centuries old trade instead of citing federal example.

I am not minimizing the impact of trade in lagos settlements, but do you want to tell me that those who settled in lagos in the 60s from the SW hinterlands are responsible for all the yoruba population of lagos? Were there not later migrations in the following decades? Can you deny the fact that lagos is the most developed SW state when it comes to infrastructure and that is as a result of its former FCT status.
I dont see how you can deny that fact. If it was left for normal trade between yorubas without lagos being the FCT then lagos wont harbor this population. The fact is that what you guys seek for in lagos, every other person nation wide seeks for the same thing which is more opportunities.

Let me say something and you can quote me " Lagos is more developed than any city in nigeria and provides much more opportunities than any geopolitical zone". This is as a result of the failure of the nigerian FG to industrialize and tap into all the potentials of the regions and states. Why are you surprised that people are migrating within their country to the place with the best opportunities. This doesnt mean there is abject poverty everywhere, or that every other state is an IDP. You guys always make it look as if igbos moving to lagos or other states is as a result of abject poverty or war in the SE but the state of the nation. I asked that question about lagos to point to the fact that Swners are no strangers to seeking greener pastures.

At the bolded above, you picked up an old article about yoruba migration and you are still telling me that the population of yorubas going to ibadan is more. I hope you are not referring to the present. I know up to 3 yorubas that moved from Ibadan to lagos for better opportunities. And am very sure hundreds of thousands of them troop to lagos for better opportunities. All ofthem i interact with ccomplain abt traffic in the town and how Ibadan is more peaceful, the same things many nigerians complain about. But they have no choice, if they want to work in many corporate firms and be exposed to better opportunities then lagos is the place to come to. The same for those in Ilorin, Ado-Ekiti, osogbo and the likes. Most yorubas i know here were not even born in lagos, they came to seek greener pasture the same way Emeka did, the same way Nosa did and even the same way Musa did.

Many more are still looking for more opportunities here because it clearly provides more. So i find it strange that someone that migrates from a 150km distance to lagos feels he has the audacity to ask someone that migrated from 600km to lagos why he/she came when the person asking didnt sit back home. The yorubas in the SW are doing what the igbos are doing in terms of migration to lagos and other big cities.

So i dont know how your write up about people migrating more to Ibadan for schooling is relevant in this 2018 when lagos provides educational opportunities and also business, entertainment opportunities.
Hello, again you have tried to twist the facts to fit your flawed perspective when it comes to the Yorubas. sad Just because you know 3 Yoruba people who migrated to Lagos in search of better opportunities because it was a federal capital, does not mean that a majority of Yorubas did so for the same reason. undecided

My aim of citing the article was to show you that intra-ethnic trade existed among the Yoruba sub-groups, right from time immemorial. sad And the content and research carried out in that article is still relevant till today. Yorubas did not migrate to Lagos or any busy city within the sub-region, simply because of 'federal presence or infrastructures, or because of former FCT status' like the Igbos did. Their reasons for migration were far more complex than that, and it began centuries before Lagos became a federal capital, and it is still continuing till date, for the same reasons! How is that so difficult to understand? shocked If you are splitting hairs just because I did not cite an article showing how Yorubas migrated to Ibadan, for the purpose of education, don't worry, there are several examples on the internet. Just Google it. sad Or do you expect me to spoon-feed you with info, every step of the way?

With regards to Ibadan, I am still talking about what happens within that city, in the present dispensation. In fact Ogun state and Ibadan have far more new industries opening up within their territories, than Lagos does. So shouldn't those areas offer more 'opportunities' than Lagos, for their fellow Yoruba counterparts? With a population of over 3 million, Ibadan is the third most populous city in Nigeria after Lagos and Kano; it is also the country's largest city by geographical area.

At the time of Nigeria's independence in 1960, Ibadan was the largest and most populous city in the country, and the second most populous in Africa, after Cairo. Ibadan was the centre of administration of the old Western Region, since the days of the British colonial rule. The principal inhabitants of the city were (and are still) the Yorubas, as well as various communities from other parts of the country.

So the subject under discussion is NOT about the infrastructure in Lagos. undecided The subject is the reason why Igbos migrate to Lagos. You were the one who turned the topic into 'why Igbos migrate vs. why Yorubas migrate'. Non-Lagosian Yorubas migrated to Lagos and other large towns in the Southwestern region, for the purposes of trade, social kinships, education, marital ties etc, and not solely because of the infrastructure in Lagos. And that migration started from pre-colonial times and has gone on till today. sad As for education, Lagos does not offer more opportunities in the area of education, than Ogun state does as at today in 2018. There are over 10 private universities in Ogun state alone, as well as public universities, polytechnics, colleges of education etc.

Port-harcourt also has infrastructure, an international airport and seaports. If presence of infrastructure was the sole reason for migration, why aren't there more Yorubas in Port-harcourt, than in Ibadan? huh
CultureRe: Iam An Igala, But So Much Adore This Tribe by LaudableXX: 4:22am On Mar 24, 2018
Cooly100:
Yet they are despised by other tribes and rated lower in all public sector affairs of their own country. This reminds me of the below quote..

"Igbos are wandering Jews of West Africa - gifted, aggressive,
westernized, and at best, envied and resented,
but mostly despised by their neighbors in the Federation---"
(a White House Memo on Biafra January 28, 1969 to President Nixon by Secretary of State,
Henry Kissinger) (Source : U.S Foreign Relations Documents Volume 5 , 1969)

CultureRe: Iam An Igala, But So Much Adore This Tribe by LaudableXX: 4:17am On Mar 24, 2018
fakeprophet:
iam an igala from kogi state but I so much adore Igbo as a tribe and ethnicity. they are rare gem. I have done lots of businesses with wazobia I know much about them. if an Igbo man give u his word just take it to the bank very reliable.....

Yoruba are the most cunning human ever. they speak from both part of their Mouths and always obliged to pressures.

you will see a Yoruba man talking scattering teeth as if he is a woman. he will said something here and say different thing there. they hardly make decision as a man, don't just tell me is a stereotype, they are all just like that. while

Hausa will tag you as infidels even though you share same belief with them.

talking from experience, iam a proudly Muslim from kogi state but not fanatic.... I condole all sort of beliefs...

watch how some people will rush to the thread and call me Ipob
So the Igbo spare parts dealer that sold fake parts to me in Alaba market, and refused to change it when I discovered his fraud, what do I call him? Meanwhile, he swore to me that it was original before I paid him, o! angry
PoliticsRe: Filthy Lagos In Pictures: What Every Part Of Lagos Now Have In Common by LaudableXX: 4:04am On Mar 24, 2018
belljohn:
And aren't people employed in the new system? We are funny in this Nigeria. That's how we were shouting - not too young to run. Mr. FD got up and you people now said, he needs experience. He is not qualified. What exactly do we want? Olusosun was on fire for days. That place is a disaster. This whole plan is to overhaul the system.
Everything good takes time.
This is not about putting the govt in good light. It's being objective enough to not throw the baby out with the bath water. All may not have been done well. It doesn't mean that its all bad and should be scrapped.
You want people to give Visionscape time, until an epidemic breaks out, ba? shocked Why do you chaps like supporting incompetence? Name two countries the size of Lagos where Visionscape has handled their waste management system, before.....

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