yeankhar49: Wait....you people are just propagating hate campaign... These people are working tirelessly but what do we do? Make ungrateful posts like this trying to pull them down and undermine their efforts. You can take pictures of dirty areas and tag @cleanerlagos on twitter but no... You get paid to sabotage the efforts of Visionscape. Look at the bins everywhere, see their new trucks,see the landfill site at Epe... These people have invested billions into ensuring a cleaner Lagos... But we are so impatient... These people ain't magicians...they are not even up to 1 year and we are labelling them failures.... Whatever happened to the factor of time.
This is creek road, Apapa...i sent a picture to them of refuse heaps and they cleared it in less than 24 hours. That's what we as citizens should do... Help them ensure a cleaner Lagos by tagging them to dirty spots
Lalasticlala seun
Oga, keep qwayiet dia! Tag who? When they applied to take over a multimillion naira contract to clean a city like Lagos, why didn't they do their homework? Don't they have a map of all the streets in Lagos and the refuse dumps on each street? Didn't they understudy the PSP operators to know their weaknesses and strengths, so they could capitalise on it and prevent themselves from repeating the mistakes of their predecessors?
Who cares about how many bins Visionscape drops on the road? We are saying they should clear the garbage promptly, instead of decorating our roads with bins that cannot contain all the wastes, on our streets. For over 6 weeks, no garbage truck came to the inner streets of our district, to clear refuse. We heard the PSPs had been chased away, and Visionscape was now in charge. Do you know what they did? They put just a few waste bins on the expressway which is far from the inner roads, and expected people to carry their garbage bags all the way to the bins on the express, for disposal.
After a few weeks when it was clear that the arrangement was not working, and the filth was piling up faster than it could be evacuated, we called back our former PSP to resume the former arrangement, and made out new terms for their direct payment. Now our former PSP picks up our garbage from our doorstep like it used to, in the old days, and our inner streets are now much more cleaner than they were, before Visionscape's new arrangement almost turned our neighbourhood into a den of refuse.
LiberaDeus: You do not tell me to leave lagos or to respect you in lagos when you are not indigenous to lagos. You dont say that.
Respect builds relationships, and upholds human dignity. Those who lack respect for others, are harbingers of potential conflict. Even cultured indigenous Lagosians hardly ever disrespect their fellow Yorubas, from other states or towns. I have studied these Yoruba people for a long time, and they do not discriminate among themselves, as much as members of other ethnic groups, do.
I pity the indigenous lagosians cause none of them have ever ruled that state in this nigerian dispensation.
Hmmmn.... when did the indigenous Lagosians ask for your pity? Ambode is an indigenous Lagosian from Epe, in Lagos. Can't you see that you are actually contradicting yourself? Most of your posts are ranting about how only the indigenous Lagosians, are the ones that have rights within Lagos, and non-Lagosian Yorubas do not possess such rights. Did they ask you to hold brief for them, or did the indigenous Lagosians tell you that they see non-Lagosian Yorubas as aliens, with no right to migrate or settle in Lagos? Just wondering....
The indigenous Lagosians and their non-Lagosian Yoruba counterparts from other sub-groups, have always related with each other prior to colonial times. Their relationships spanned trade, commerce, political and marital relationships, long before the boundaries of different states, local govt areas and senatorial districts were ever created. The lines between them have always been blurred, so trying to make it seem as if the non-Lagosian Yorubas are 'outsiders' or 'strangers' to the indigenous Lagosians, cannot fly.
The Ijebu increasingly controlled the lucrative trade with the Europeans, along the Atlantic coast. While the Oyo lost commercial stature to the Ijebu, the European involvement did not affect the historic inland trade network, as much as it did the coastal routes. Europeans sold the Ijebu cowries and manufactured goods, in exchange for slaves and cloth. The Yoruba were advantageously located to transport the European goods north.
Many Yoruba traders operated out of Porto Novo and Ouidah in Dahomey, at the end of the nineteenth century (Igué and Soule 1992), working with repatriated slaves of Yoruba origin from Brazil. Some traders became very wealthy and famous in the region. France’s colonization of Dahomey in 1894, had a profound effect on the Yoruba networks. While the repatriated Brazilian slaves cooperated with the French, local Yoruba people converted to Islam and developed clandestine networks with Nigeria to escape colonial controls and trade barriers.
In the urban markets, large expatriate and Lebanese firms in Lagos and Ibadan supplied manufactured goods to the system. Since urban Yoruba wholesalers often bought the goods in bulk and distributed them in smaller quantities to retailers, bulk breaking characterized this side of the trade. Nonetheless, the erratic supply of manufactured goods underscored the importance of well-established connections in the trade routes.(Eades 1980).
The markets were highly competitive, and dominated by large amounts of low-volume transactions, so profitability was low. The numerous middlemen who moved goods from town to town, drove profits down to almost nothing, for most transactions (Hodder 1961). Women dominated the low-margin Yoruba retail trade. Eades (1980) estimates that in 1950 women constituted 84 percent of traders in Ibadan and 70 percent in Lagos, reflecting the traditional division of labor in Yoruba society.
The Yoruba remain at the center of a large, informal sector international trade network in West Africa, facilitated by kinship ties, varied market tactics, and hierarchical organizational structure, although the group is less clearly structured than the Mourides (Igué and Soule 1992; Igué 2003). Yoruba tend to transact with other Yoruba traders because of trust, common language, and similar business styles (Sudarkasa 1985). https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7080/0b001998382f09bc6cd5aa6678545b307611.pdf
LiberaDeus: You still cant get the meaning of the opening question. No one argues that yorubas are indigenous to lagos, same with Ilorin and Ado Ekiti. Why dont these places have the same population as lagos. You yorubas migrated in droves in the 60s down to the present time to lagos to join other indigenous yorubas in lagos. So please tell me why the migration occurred, is it because you guys just wanted to be at the coast line or just felt like migrating?
You migrated because of opportunities created by the former FCT, why are you surprised that others joined you? In Abuja here, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of yorubas here, why did they migrate here, why arent they in Kebbi state?
Cant you see that migratory patterns can be defined by the amount of federal investment in a place, i can bet you that if lagos was never the federal capital and it was always abuja or somewhere else that you yorubas would still flock there in droves.
No sir, you are the one that still keeps trying to deviate from the topic by clutching at straws. I guess it is due to your poor understanding of the subject. You claim that Yorubas migrated in droves to Lagos in the '60s, yet you are attributing it solely to the fact that it was because Lagos was a former FCT. That is a sweeping generalisation. First, the proportion of Yorubas who migrated in the '60s, actually migrated to Ibadan, and not Lagos, due to the pursuit of higher education. Don't forget that the oldest university in Nigeria was first opened in Ibadan, in 1948.
Secondly, people from most Yoruba ethnic sub-groups had traded among themselves for centuries, and inter-marriages were common among these different groups. I am not an expert on Yoruba history or their migration patterns, so I would leave the Yoruba native speakers to actually shed more light on this. Yorubas migrating to Lagos, Ibadan etc, has been an age-old practice, which predates Lagos being a federal capital.
Thirdly, most Yoruba ethnic sub-groups (if I may use that term loosely) who engaged in trading activities, farming and hunting, transversed different communities across the Southwest from Akure to Ijebu-ode, Lagos and Badagry, while some ended up settling far from their homes. During their journeys, these sub-groups formed ethnic and social networks as a form of “social capital,” creating bonds of trust, to help them exchange information without documentation or official involvement.
Kinship networks have a major role in informal cross-border trading, in West Africa. Historically, Yorubaland was a mix of loosely connected kingdoms. While each kingdom was independent, they all regarded the city of Ile Ife, located in the Nigerian state of Osun, as the common place of origin, orisun. The kingdoms operated autonomously, but maintained political and economic ties to each other. One advantage of Yoruba land’s fertile soil was that each kingdom was capable of producing slightly more food than required, for subsistence. As a result, the minimal surpluses could be bartered among kingdoms, to supplement other basic needs, such as clothing and shelter. An extensive societal division of labor, including ruling elites, manufacturers, herbalists, priests, historians, entertainers, and farmers, facilitated barter in a range of goods-for-goods and goods-for-services transactions. Furthermore, as the Yoruba became increasingly sophisticated, they demanded more exotic goods to maintain the elite’s extravagant lifestyles and to use in ritual festivals (Falola and Adebayo 2000). The lack of geographic barriers separating these ethnic groups facilitated their cooperation in connecting the region’s goods to the major trans-Saharan trade routes (Perani and Wolff 1999). https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7080/0b001998382f09bc6cd5aa6678545b307611.pdf
The population of Yoruba folks who came to Lagos, was far less than those who went to Ibadan for business or education, and to cement family ties. Many indigenous Lagosians are not so bothered by their Yoruba kith and kin coming from other parts of the Southwest to join them in Lagos, they are only bothered about getting their due respect from all and sundry.
If I remember my history lessons rather well, indigenous Lagosians comprise of the Aworis who were the first group of indigenes within Lagos, followed by Tapa and Nupe people, the Saros or freed slaves who came from Freetown, Sierra Leone, Brazil, Cuba etc, found in the Aguda or Brazilian Quarters area of Lagos Island. These are all indigenes of Lagos.
It is important to note that the south-western part of the country, which is essentially inhabited by the Yoruba, have over the last century established the culture of living in large population concentrations or settlements; hence, fact that it embraced urbanization much earlier than other parts of the country. Notable large cities in the region include: Ibadan, Oshogbo, Ondo, Abeokuta and Ilorin among others. These historic urban centres are largely traditional and pre industrial in nature with a mixture of the modern and the old. One other major determinant of urban growth and/or urbanization in Nigeria is rural-urban Migration (Udo, 1975; Adepoju, 1976; Afolayan, Mabogunje, 1970; Ikwuyatum, 2006). The acquisition of some level of education or skill is also an important factor that prompts migration. http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_6_No_8_August_2016/17.pdf
LiberaDeus: Why arent you in your LGA, why dont you reside there?so millions of you can seek greener pasture in a federal capital and you think others shouldnt follow suit. Because lagos is in the SW, you guys now want to make it look like you have everything you always needed at home and you are so affluent that you dont need migration, if that is the case why didnt you stay back in your state and LGA?
I know you might be the typical yoruba that has never travelled out of the SW, so let me explain some facts for you Yorubas are numerous in Abuja Yorubas are numerous in Kaduna Yorubas are numerous in Akwa Ibom Yorubas are numerous in Warri Yorubas are also in Benin Yorubas are also in Kano Yorubas drive taxis across the federation, also engage in crafts like automobile repairs and welding etc
If yorubas can do all the aforementioned across the federation, how much more igbos who have these skills and are also blessed with a business acumen and a culture that passes it down from generation to generation. I can confidently tell you that yorubas are in every state of the federation and igbos have a greater reason to be in those states and to have greater numbers because businesses by their nature involve expansion to new boundaries.
You joined the bandwagon of f00lishness when you claimed: "I know you might be the typical yoruba that has never travelled out of the SW...." Very funny. I do not come from the Southwest or anywhere close to it. So I cannot really fathom why you jumped to the conclusion that I was Yoruba. I guess that is the default setting your brain has been wired to operate on....because you feel anyone who does not share your perspective must automatically be Yoruba. How silly. Was that why you embarked on a long rant about how Yoruba people carry out various forms of business, in different towns and cities across Nigeria? Well, it is time for you to stop digressing. The issue is not about Yorubas, but about why the Igbo cannot make a success of their endeavours, without trooping daily to Lagos, even though Lagos stopped being the federal capital 27 years ago. Yorubas migrating to Lagos, Ibadan etc, was an age-old practice, which started long before Lagos ever dreamt of becoming a federal capital.
LiberaDeus: As you talked about buying and selling, i laughed because Igbos are into all sorts of businesses. The indigenous manufacturers of aba never ever have to step out of their boundaries, people patronize them by going there. The manufacturers of nnewi never have to step out of their boundaries, Innoson started in nnewi and his manufacturing plant is till cited there, same with Ibeto and other nnewi manufacturers.
Tell me the form of business we aint into; real estate, manufacturing, retail, importation, ICT, services etc. Just think of one industry that igbos dont have representatives in And even your logic of innovation from one place will still involve expansion, am in the ICT industry and i know what am saying.
I talked about buying and selling, because you had made an allusion to it in one of your previous posts. You chaps are quick to claim that those who do not leave their region to migrate elsewhere in pursuit of business, are lazy. My reference to trade, was to point out the fact that non-migration is not a sign of laziness, like you people claim. Those who provide solutions within their enclave and get paid for it, do not need to move from place to place in order to make a living.
LiberaDeus: If you use Mark Zuckerberg as an example, i will ask you sth, doesnt facebook have an international presence? are there no facebook offices and datacenters in europe? Doesnt microsoft have an international presence like facebook and even google and every major tech giant. Why dont you tell Uber to stay in germany and not expand to africa since germany should have everything. Am sure with your own logic, Uber left germany because germany is not viable. You cant see how foolish and contradictory that is, you cant just accept the fact that once a market has been conquered that the next thing is to find others.
How dare you now tell your fellow country man not to move about in his own country when yorubas are everywhere doing petty trade and crafts then igbos shouldnt carry their businesses and crafts elsewhere.
My post was NOT about Facebook or Zuckerberg. For your information, Facebook was started in 2004 by Mark Zuckerberg, Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz, and Chris Hughes in the USA. They did not set up physical presence in other countries, until they had become quite successful in the West. In fact, Facebook's first African office was set up in Johannesburg in 2015, more than 11 years after the social media platform became successful.Facebook's success was not dependent on the founders migrating physically from America to set up a building or shop in another country. Ironically, they only moved into other countries, after they had become quite successful within those new territories, and seen the numbers of users emanating from there. At this present moment, Facebook does NOT have an office in Nigeria, but it has had thousands of users on its platform for years, who live within Nigeria. Yes or No? In fact, over 11 million Nigerians are on Facebook, as at 2013 forming one of Facebook's largest user base in sub-saharan Africa.
Not all tech giants need to migrate across borders physically, in order to gain new markets or become successful. Thanks to the internet.
Now, I did not tell any Nigerian not to move about in his own country. Where exactly did I do that? I merely sought to know the reason why your people move into other parts of the country, if your own region is so prosperous, economically viable and so full of potential. There is a difference between seeking to know the purpose or cause of an event, and asking people to stop carrying out such an event. So please do not tell lies. You are an adult, and you should not be found spinning webs of falsehood.
LiberaDeus: As for you claims about Lokoja and calabar, Lagos enjoyed more investments than those places, and those places were capitals of either Northern or southern nigeria protectorate. Lagos was nigerias first capital and nigeria as a united entity generated more revenue than the 2 protectorates combined.
Your question about my people leaving that region is pointless. I have explained the concepts of market saturation and you dont still grasp it. I can tell you that there is prosperity in the SE but that can never be enough for the teeming number of youths and their ambitions. The people in the SE will not and have never been satisfied with just being salary earners and menial workers(not that we dont have those).
Thats why a crisis of non salary payment from SE state govs do not cripple our economy. Osun states crisis sent most people back to the farm, i can personally tell you that the lack of salary payment in kwara has turned the economic outlook there very sour.
Seasterners will never put themselves in that position. Every wise nigerian youth should know that entreprenurship is the key out of poverty, we understand that and we exploit that fact to our advantage thats why we spread and thats why newcomers into eastern markets are encouraged to look for less saturated markets outside the east and even the country. This fact doesnt mean that there isnt prosperity in the SE, it actually means the opposite.
Lagos was NOT Nigeria's first capital. I have clearly shown you the other places that served as the nation's first capital. Calabar was the nation's first capital before Lagos. And even in Lagos, the federal capital was restricted to Lagos Island, Apapa and a few other areas. Yaba, Ikeja, Maryland, Palmgrove, Ogudu Ilupeju were parts of old Western region.
Now whatever position, your Southeastern people decide to put themselves in, is really not the topic under discussion. A lot of other ethnic groups migrate across Nigeria for various purposes. I even think the Northerners are the greatest migrants in Nigeria.
But, you will hardly ever find migrants from different ethnic groups (excluding your own) boasting about how prosperous their region is, and how full of potential its borders are, whenever they migrate.
Instead, they go their way, mind their businesses and relate with all and sundry, without making boastful claims or insulting the sensibilities of other tribes who inhabit the regions, where they do business. Not everyone can be an entrepreneur. And not everyone is wired to operate as one. There are people who make excellent academicians, professionals, researchers, technicians etc.
Now let us get back to the topic. A region that is said to be prosperous and full of potentials whose indigenes flock out of its borders in droves to seek opportunities elsewhere, is a contradiction in terms. Its people would not be migrating out of their region daily, to seek opportunities elsewhere, if it was truly full of potentials.
Finally, there is no need for any further long epistles on this matter. It is unlikely that we would come to a convergence, on any salient points. So let me take my leave.
turl: Former MFM member here. In London here, trousers were frowned upon to some extent but no one cut your head if you wore them.
Yet as a woman/lady, you cannot wear trousers in any MFM church in Nigeria. They will pull you out for deliverance, then command all those demons instigating you to wear trousers, to fall down and die!
Caustics: you got what you deserved. You type are the problem of this country. Because you were given a little power you decided to flex your muscles on anyone that opposes you. Now when they turned on you come out here to cry foul.
Na so we see am, o! There are too many of them in all these multinationals. Some of them come in, as green as anything, on their first day, shaking with nervousness and timid with fright. You teach them everything they know, their work starts to receive some credit, and one or two bosses start to like them. Then they get a promotion. Next the accolades and compliments go to their heads, simply because they have been given a little power. And power they say, corrupts absolutely. In no time at all, they see themselves as high flyers or demi-gods. Before long, they turn into little tyrants. They have forgotten that biblical piece of scripture - "wisdom is profitable, to direct."
Each time I see such people, I laugh - because I know their day of reckoning is just round the corner. Nothing lasts forever. "Be nice to the people you meet on your way going up, you might meet them, on your way coming down." It is a wise saying. And a really true one. Karma may take its time coming, but it never misses its destination.
teejet: Lack of finance ought to be number one. Finance that is stress free. Low interest and business-friendly.
Oh thank you! May the wisdom God deposited in your life, never diminish. You can have the clearest vision, finest product and best business plan, but without the finances to deploy any of them, it remains a mirage.....
AutoReportNG2: I schooled around this place when growing up
Relocating the tank farm is not possible not even in 100yrs time, until we revive our train system, Apapa will continue to be like this
What about all the parked trucks and trailers on Wharf Road and Commercial Road? Are they still there? Anyway, nothing will make me drive from other parts of Lagos into Apapa, until that road is completed, as long as the ferry is still functional. I reject death by traffic!
LZAA: Lagos Island was only the federal capital, and NOT the whole of Lagos state. Areas like Ikeja, Palmgrove, Ilupeju were parts of the old Western Region"
this my dear ppl is one of the benefits of blocking the study of history. what sort of watery analysis is this and btw who is d igbo person dragging lagos with you if u don't want them there,don't sell ur family lands to them and u wee not see them not after using the money to do owambe and buy gold then u come and start ranting. i love how all u SW ppl keep shouting lagos whereas every other regions has two or three major states and capitals keep shouting o cc imhotep,onyeoga
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Acidosis: So before jumping into conclusion as most Nigerians do, I decided to do a little search on YouTube.
After watching two MFM services (one in Houston, and the other in North America & the Carrbeans, I discovered that majority of the posters here jumped into conclusion because of their long-held sentiments against Churches.
The women I see in these videos are largely on skirts, all covered from head to toe.
An unknown poster on Twitter/Insta concocted a statement, freeze (owing to his predestined hatred for offline Churches) retweeted, and boom! Nairaland e-warriors began to devour and not even ONE person made a search to confirm the allegation.
I'm not even a member of MFM but I have seen many MFM folks on trousers here in Nigeria. It has absolutely nothing to do with geographical location but then again, the people involved here are Nigerian youths - you can sell absolutely anything to them, including a zombie president.
Boss13: Oh you don’t need to say when the cold here blow you, no one will advise you to dump some century old dogma and get proper clothings to address the weather.
Please ignore these men, they don’t have clue. I was at a Mountain of Fire church recently in London, the ladies wore trousers, though no jewelries. In fact, I don’t want to comment much on my observation
Please whose version of this debate, should we believe??
jey4all: Trousers are allowed in the US and Uk because of the cold over there. Use your brain
goldbim: let them keep ranting!common sense is not common.they just want to pull down any church without getting their facts right..
Re-ea-ally? So in Nigeria when MFM keeps telling women not to wear trousers, because a woman should not wear a man's clothing, as stated in the Bible, does it mean they are lying? Or is it that once they get to the UK and US, trousers suddenly stop becoming men's clothing, so women can wear them? Which one?
femu: U mean property owners don't have other bills to pay to survive so they should spend all their income on land use charge?
Will the govt provide free health, free education, free food, free transport.
You obviously don't know the significance of cumulative expenses
I wonder, o! I no know say you sef see am! Honestly, it appears some people dropped their brains behind on their pillow, when they decided to log into NL....
LiberaDeus: You just jumped to answer without thinking deeply abt the question.
Let me draw a clear rough estimate of city populations
Why arent the yorubas concentrated in Ibadan? Why arent there 13 million yorubas living in Ilorin or Oshogbo or Ado-Ekiti?
Let me help you answer.
You guys concentrate in lagos because of the opportunities made available by; - International deep seaport -Federal capital status -Billions of dollars in infrastructure invested in Lagos etc
Now get this into your head. If you guys can flock to Lagos in droves in this Federal Republic of Nigeria to take advantage of opportunities even though lagos is not your state of origin then there is no reason why Igbos or any other tribe wont do the same.
I asked you that question so you would ponder on the reason why some cities attract more investment and population than others but you didnt see the idea behind it and you were talking of lagos having yoruba origins. Doesnt Ilorin have yoruba origins or oshogbo and every other SW city. Why dont they boast of yoruba populations numbering above 10 million like lagos does.
Also for your claims of igbos not prospering without moving out, let me clear the points you raised there. There is enough prosperity in the east in Onitsha, Aba , nnewi, Enugu etc. Without federal investment, billionaires of eastern origin have been groomed by the aforementioned towns and success still goes on there. If you had an inkling of understanding about business then you would know that business people always move to areas of lower investment saturation in their markets in order to expand new frontiers in their businesses. Igbos even sell in south sudan and somalia, only a novice would think this is as a result of poverty back home. A lazy man wouldnt understand why a person would want to explore a business opportunity for selling electronics in South sudan, the lazy person would think you must be running from home but if only he would think then he would see and understand that markets do get saturated and moving to far flung areas is never a thing of shame but of adventure and expansion.
Igbos move to lagos because of the federal infrastructure and opportunities there and they do that like most nigerians do. Igbos also move to maidugiri and even the most underdeveloped LGAs in nigeria because they see things that other non business savvy individuals will never see there even the locals and with this business acumen, they continually exploit the full potentials of the SE, if the potential of the east is expanded by federal investment then igbos would take advantage of that.
Your opening statement shows that you are bent on being mischievous. Lagos state has Yoruba origins, as well as an indigenous Yoruba population. Yes or No? The answer you give, will reveal if you are a cretin, or a practical objective observer.
Secondly, Yorubas were already indigenous to Lagos, right from pre-colonial times before the seaports, airports etc., were built. Yorubas already existed in Lagos, with some of their kith and kin spread across different areas, who came across to join them. Go back and read up the history of Lagos and its environs, as well as the different indigenous Yoruba groups (e.g. Aworis etc) that make up the state. So what is the issue? How can you even ask why Yorubas are in Lagos? It is laughable. It is like asking how can Igbos be in Onitsha or Aba?
Calabar was also once a federal capital. Even Lokoja was once the capital of the British Northern Nigeria Protectorate, and later became a centre of administration, for the British colonial government after the amalgamation. What is the population of Igbo people in Lokoja, compared to their population in Lagos?
Lagos Island was only the federal capital, and NOT the whole of Lagos state. Areas like Ikeja, Palmgrove, Ilupeju were parts of the old Western Region. Yet it did not stop your people from migrating into that part of the old Western region. Lagos stopped being a federal capital 27 years ago, but your Igbo people still keep flocking into Lagos every single day, till date. So stop trying to use that excuse of 'federal capital.' Your people also trooped into Port-harcourt en masse. Port-harcourt was not a federal capital, even though it had an international seaport, an international airport as well as lots of infrastructure invested in it.
While going up and down, your people keep claiming their SE region is economically viable. But why would anyone leave an economically viable region? And if you claim that they migrate because they want new opportunities, are you admitting that there is a lack of opportunities for your people in the SE region? It then becomes a paradox. How can an economically viable region, lack opportunities?
Laziness is really not a reason for lack of migration. And you need to stop thinking that 'buying and selling,' is the only type of business or hard work, that exists. There are people who invent things and solve problems that cause them to earn millions, without leaving their zones.
If there is enough prosperity in the SE region, how come your people still end up leaving that 'prosperity,' and going to other regions to seek opportunities? Again, can a truly prosperous area, lack opportunities? And are these new opportunities your people seek, totally absent from their region, or is your region of prosperity and potentials devoid of opportunities, that can make your people truly successful? You really need to stop contradicting yourself....
shaybebaby: That's plain dumb when you factor in exchange rate and possible trouble with the tax man.
Dumb in what sense? That I find it easier to do legit business in Nigeria with 80% to 150% returns, instead of the nominal 10% that I would get in the UK or US, doing the same type of business? As a traveller, I am entitled to BTA and PTA, so why would the tax man have a problem with me, as long as I file my annual returns properly?
Why are so many yorubas in Lagos? A very large percentage of the yoruba populace is resident in lagos, please why Lagos in the southwest? Why not Ilorin or Abeokuta? Am not saying that those places dont have strong yoruba populations but why does Lagos attract the most number of yorubas?
Go and do your research. Lagos is a city with Yoruba origins. Those of us who do not come from the Southwest, already know that. Try not to ask kindergarten questions next time......it is obvious you are just being mischievous or downright silly.
Purehuman: If we go to these areas and we do head count, you will be sure that igbos are more? This Orile wey I know inside out? Orile wey I go secondary school? Abi eleyi o Mo on Orile.
My guy, you will just lose all your money if we bet seriously. Orile is majorly occupied by Yorubas, Bini's and igbos. The Yorubas are the majority because they are even the owners of the houses in that area.
This guy, I am going to teach you those areas and not you teaching me.
Go and do the head count and come back and share the results. Paste it here, so we can read and verify. For you to make this assertion about Orile, it shows you are being economical with the truth, or just taking refuge in lies. Na una way be dat!
Purehuman: So in your own wack theory, the police action wasn't a call for war but to pamper the igbos? This guy is really high seriously.
The Chinese that you find in all states in the federation, you mean those states are more economically viable than China? The igbos are only capitalising on the opportunity they find everywhere. In fact you will be amazed at the number of igbos you find Benue state and other states in the country. It's not the matter of Lagos, if you find an opportunity in Lagos, you go to Lagos and if you find in Kano, you go to Kano.
You cannot say people leave the east because there is no opportunity in the east. There are still people making money in the east everyday. So your postulation doesn't count at all.
Oga, you are ill-informed. The police action was a call to your Oxford-trained bearded general to stop seizing federal govt assets in the Southeast, rescind his call for secession and stop his intransigence. I never said it was done to pamper the Igbos. Stop telling lies.
The Chinese that are found everywhere, do not go around insulting other ethnic groups, or boasting that their country is the most economically viable nation around. And the Chinese workers you find in many African countries, are those blue collar workers with limited education, and just few specific technical skills. In fact in many parts of the West, the first set of immigrants from China were Chinese laborers, who worked on railroads, and other infrastructure in such countries.
Why did Chinese immigrants come to the US? First of all, they arrived in America looking to strike it rich with hopes of being to send money back to their poor families, or of returning to China after a few years with newly acquired wealth. Another reason is America served as a symbol of something higher than monetary prosperity. It represented the hope of freedom from intolerance based upon one's particular views. However, the most important reason for Chinese immigration was economic hardship due to the growing British dominance over China after Britain defeated China in the Opium War of 1839-1842. So, these are three reasons why the Chinese people came to the US.
In conclusion, three reasons why the Chinese immigrants wanted to come to the US because they were poor and they wanted to make more money to send back to their poor families. Most importantly, Chinese faced economic hardships in China. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sford/alternatv/s05/articles/leo_history.html
You keep asserting that Igbos are everywhere. Nobody is disputing that fact. What you have been asked is this : Why is it so difficult for your people to make progress within their region, without trooping into other parts of the country, if their region is so economically viable? Is there something preventing them from achieving success in their own land?
Purehuman: Who are the major Landlords of Ajegunle and Okokomaiko? I don't think you even know quarter of Lagos like you are postulating. Orile, Ijora, Ajegunle, oshodi, Muslim, badia, fadeyi and environs are dominated by Yorubas. You cannot come and be saying things you don't know.
Okokomaiko is having a facelift because it's a new area and it's becoming open to new development. So calm your nerves, it will have a continuous change as time go on. Ask the people of paniso in Kano how igbos turned the village into a beautiful city in less than 10years.
You cannot compete with igbos. Our presence are felt in every state we have numbers because we contribute massively economically to the environment.
Just name one place outside southwest that the Yorubas are more felt economically than the igbos in Nigeria. Release your numbers while I release mine.
Don't be silly. I grew up in Lagos, schooled in Lagos and have worked in Lagos for several years. I doubt if you know Lagos more than I do. So stop your silly posturing. And most of what you just said up here, is nothing but a bloody fat lie! Orile, Ijora, Ajegunle, Oshodi, Badia, and environs are NOT dominated by Yorubas, but by the Igbo.
Orile is one of the largest markets for building materials, furniture and fixtures in Lagos. Who are those that populate that area? Igbo. What does that area look like? A glorified slum. The largest number of tile sellers, bath & WC retailers, cement resellers, door importers etc, can be found in Orile. Ijora as well as Ajegunle are close to the Apapa seaport, and your people are the largest inhabitants of that densely populated axis. So stop saying what you do not know! What year did you arrive in Lagos, sef?
Purehuman: The more you comment, the less sense you make. Did the igbo declaring secession go to Lagos and demanded for it? We're they the first to shoot the first shot? Was the first shot not started in Calabar? Why are you blaming the igbos for a war you waged against us? If you had allowed them be, at least no one will be buying out Lagos as seen in the recent trend.
If the factors of production are located in a particular region through the handy work of the federal government over the years, the people will have to go there to participate in its process. If you don't like it, it's not the problem of the igbos. If your federal government were not smart to have skewed development and still fight against secession, then we can't help you than to keep feeding from you.
We buy lands there because we can afford it. We have the money to buy it. That's how we bought lands in other states in Nigeria. So it's not a Lagos thing.
The notion that the east isn't economically viable is the greatest fallacy of all time. Apart from Lagos, there is no where in the West that has more active business environment than the east. There is no where in the west, that has more active construction of building than the east. So what are you saying? The igbos will compete in all sectors but always fall behind the igbos in many sectors.
Like I said earlier, list any state in Nigeria apart from Southwest that the Yorubas are more active than the Igbos even with their common affiliation to Islam with the north.
If igbos have more impact in this country based on economic strides, then you don't have any argument.
Igbos are found everywhere in this country even in the far north. You cannot say that the east doesn't have a soul there because from last check, we have more than 20million people living in the region which is smaller than Niger state with less than half of the population.
So what's your point?
Sadly everyone can see that you are the one that is not making sense, on this thread. Go back and read up on the the build up, to the civil war. Your Oxford trained bearded general declared secession, seized federal govt assets in the Southeast, and refused to rescind his decision, even after a police action was declared to bring him back into line.
Several emissaries at home and abroad tried to get him to see reason, but he refused. He knew that his region lacked ammunition, men and materials to go to war, yet he refused to back down and this decision cost his people 3 million souls. After he declared secession, was he expecting the rest of the country to applaud him and give him a send off party, especially when he had seized federal govt assets in the SE region?
Secondly, what strange "factors of production located in a particular region through the handy work of the federal government over the years," are you talking about? Is it the sea port? Isn't there a seaport close to the SE region, like the Port-harcourt seaport? Port-harcourt seaport has been in operation long before the colonial masters left. Not too far from there is Onne sea port, which was established closer to the SE. In fact, Onne sea port which covers an area of 2,538.115 hectares was also added, several years ago. Are you talking about an airport? Hasn't there been an international airport in Port-harcourt for several years? Akanu Ibiam International Airport in Enugu also started receiving international flights a few years back.
The federal capital was moved from Lagos to Abuja in 1991, more than 27 years ago, but your people have not stopped trooping into Lagos till today. And that bring us back to the same question. Why can't they stay in their region and make a success of their endeavours?
If your region was so economically viable, with an active business environment like you said, and active construction or building projects, why do your young people still troop into other regions daily, trying to eke out a living? is it that they cannot take advantage of the economic viability in the SE region?
Nobody is disputing the fact that igbos are not found in other parts of the country, but the question still remains: Why? They can be found in areas that are not even economically viable, in different parts of this nation. So if your region is as fantastic and as economically viable as you claim, what is chasing them out of the place? Now, why would anyone leave a commercially vibrant region for a non-viable one?
Last but not the least, I never said that there was nobody in the Southeast. Try not to confuse me with someone else. Nobody has said that "there is any state in Nigeria apart from Southwest that the Yorubas are more active than the Igbos," so only goodness knows where you got that ideology from. Please try to think clearly before rushing to hit your keyboard next time. May God grant you understanding....
ibotic: Yes...you are right...Nonaira1 is just being mischievous. Asaba and Onitsha are not Igbo land in the proper sense but we have plenty of our people there...you are free to build there but if Biafra comes, my only fear is that it will become abandoned property. Why don't you build in Anambra first
I thought Onitsha was in Anambra state? Or has it moved from there? And when did Onitsha stop being "Igbo land in the proper sense?"
enonche85: Oga, this is just a well scripted movie sponsored by the FG and Nigerian Army!...how on earth can one explain the strange and sudden withdrawal of the security operatives ives stationed at that location shortly b4 the "kidnap" took place?.
This is just a move by the APC govt to score cheap political points!
What baffles me is that the BH terrorists returned the girls in broad daylight and none of those terrorists were arrested, after dropping off the girls. Were soldiers of the Nigerian Army in shock, that they were powerless to do anything, or had they been abducted as well? Because last time I checked, kidnapping was still a serious offence, in this country.
The Criminal Code Act, CAP C38, LFN 2004, provides a penalty for kidnapping. The law provides in Section 364 that – “Any person who – 1. Unlawfully imprisons any person, and takes him out of Nigeria without his consent; or 2. Unlawfully imprisons any person within Nigeria in such a manner as to prevent him from applying to a court for his release or from discovering to any other person the place where he is imprisoned, or in such a manner as to prevent any person entitled to have access to him from discovering the place where he is imprisoned, Is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for ten years. “ http://www.legalnaija.com/2016/04/penalty-for-kidnapping.html
All in all we can heave a sigh of relief, those parents will finally rest well tonight..
rickyrex: The government took the girls and brought them back, else this book haram are not ghost, the questions is why is that when ever this men want to kidnap the military men are always absent, and yet every activities of this people ends still within same state.
What baffles me is that the BH terrorists returned the girls in broad daylight and none of those terrorists were arrested, after dropping off the girls. Were soldiers of the Nigerian Army in shock, that they were powerless to do anything, or had they been abducted as well? Because last time I checked, kidnapping was still a serious offence, in this country.
The Criminal Code Act, CAP C38, LFN 2004, provides a penalty for kidnapping. The law provides in Section 364 that – “Any person who – 1. Unlawfully imprisons any person, and takes him out of Nigeria without his consent; or 2. Unlawfully imprisons any person within Nigeria in such a manner as to prevent him from applying to a court for his release or from discovering to any other person the place where he is imprisoned, or in such a manner as to prevent any person entitled to have access to him from discovering the place where he is imprisoned, Is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for ten years. “ http://www.legalnaija.com/2016/04/penalty-for-kidnapping.html
Klinee: The traditional ruler of Ugbodu uses Odogwu title, Odogwu is purely Igbo and has nothing to do with Benin. Those things you read online dose not actually give the reality, an in-depth explanatory of people of Ugbodu. 'Okunzu' the real pronunciation means the depot of whitechalk in Igbo language. Am not arguing if they are Igbo or Yoruba but am sure that their language is not Igbo nor Yoruba but they speak Igbo. Truth their language is very similar to Yoruba but they answer Igbo name and do traditional Igbo culture.
Oga, the people who are indigenes of the place, say that their traditional ruler is an Oloza, not Odogwu. Even people who went to the town to conduct investigations, later discovered it is true, and published the results of what they discovered. And you are still here, arguing. Even their town's union in diaspora says that their language is Olukunmi which sounds a lot like Yoruba, despite the fact that they bear Igbo names. The reason for their Igbo names, is said to be due to the fact, that they are surrounded by Igbo neighbours. So they speak both Igbo and Olukunmi languages. Why do you find it so difficult to understand?
Oya, argue with the person who comes from Ugbodu and published this part online. In fact, her name is Juanita Azubuike. Yet, she says the indigenous language in their place in Ugbodu is Olukunmi, which is a language related to Yoruba.
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ugbodu Town lies at a latitude of 6.3793200 and longitude of 6.4585900 and it has an elevation of 241 meters above sea level. It is a Yoruba speaking community based deep in the heart of Igbo speaking communities. The village is one of six villages which trace their origin to Owo town in Ondo State of Nigeria. ugbodu consists of four villages namely, Igwisi, Idumu-Agba, Ogoza and Idumu Ogwa.
The people through interaction and centuries of living in their present location speak both Olukumi and Igbo languages. Olukumi is the Yoruba language spoken by Owo people in present day Ondo State in Nigeria. Collectively, the six Olukumi speaking towns make up what is known as Odiani clan.
Ugbodu is the place where the East of Nigeria, meets the West of Nigeria, as this town and its other Olukumi speaking communities of Delta State of Nigeria is the only place in the whole of Nigeria which speaks both the Igbo and Yoruba languages fluently as a people. It is also one of the most deprived communities in Nigeria today.
Despite this, the town boasts of many graduates in various fields. It has produced lawyers, doctors, engineers, agriculturists, scientists, and a national beauty pageant amongst others. It also boasts of a nursery school, two primary schools, one secondary school, a hospital, a post office, several churches etc.https://juanitaazubuike./ogbodu-town/
olisaEze: Vimbai became known because of big brother nothing else. Linda ikeji on d other hand should be a full course study in business school. Eh! Our own Linda? No try am o! Vimbai don baff!?
Before you can vouch for somebody, make sure you know that person very well, inside out. Not just because of what he or she told you, but by virtue of the fact that you are an eye witness to their struggles, challenges, difficulties and triumphs. Linda Ikeji plays her cards very close to her chest, and only tells people what they want to hear about her. Nobody can really say if everything she says is the whole truth, or just different shades of it.
For those who don't already know or haven't been to the place before, Banana Island is one of the most expensive places to own a home in Lagos and homes there are the most expensive in Lagos and probably in Nigeria. It's a place where multi-billionaires normally go to after they've achieved that status.
Some Nigerians said that Linda Ikeji didn't make a full payment, while some said that she is just marketing the house for sale. Some said that she had other businesses besides blogging, while some said she probably received a lot of money from politician during the recently ended 2015 General elections.
As at today, there is no official statement from Linda Ikeji on her famous blog, where millions of Nigerians normally visit. Some say it might actually be a rumour or popularity prank.
Based on estimations given by some bloggers in the industry, it was estimated that she makes at least N1 to N3 million monthly..... For many who know Linda Ikeji's history in blogging, she came into the scene about 5 years ago and worked on it a bit before she started making the big bucks. The more visitors her website got, the more money she made from advertising. But for someone to have made over N500m to buy a house on Banana Island after 5 years of blogging, shouldn't that person be making at least a N100m a year? I'm just asking. http://www.multidox.org/blog/10/post/87.html
olisaEze: 1. You don't need 2suck up 2anyone to actualize your dreams. 2. U can attain your goals with what you have in your hands. Its not about where you're from, but where you're standing at. 3. U don't need 2dabble in e-fraud/crime/oloshoism 2become rich in Nigeria. Yes there are so many untapped legit ways on and offline! 4. Never give up even when the odds seem stacked against you. 5. Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. U are today what your choices were yesterday.
Jara aka PS; Problems have never destroyed any great man or woman. Indeed the same adversity that causes some to breakdown, causes others to break records. You can't change the problem but you can change your person. Rather than wallow in self pity, look for a way to turn that weakness to a stepping stone. Accept the past, manage the present, and work towards the future.
That is what the success story of that exceptional lady has taught me and is teaching our young girls.
Now what 5things has Vimbai's life story taught you?
The full story of how Linda Ikeji actually made enough money to acquire a 500 million house in Banana Island in Ikoyi, Lagos has not been fully told. There are still a number of grey areas. Did her fortune come entirely from blogging like she claims, or were there other deals she made in order to get the extra cash? no one really knows except Linda, and the lady ain't spilling the beans.
1. You don't need 2suck up 2anyone to actualize your dreams.
Wrong! Linda made most of her money blogging for political parties, while selling gossip and news about celebrities online. She sucked up to campaign managers and celebrities.
2. U can attain your goals with what you have in your hands. Its not about where you're from, but where you're standing at.
Right. She used her blogging skills to craft content online, which saw her getting a wide readership and making money from online traffic.
3. U don't need 2dabble in e-fraud/crime/oloshoism 2become rich in Nigeria. Yes there are so many untapped legit ways on and offline!
Hmmn!This one get as e be. Since you and I are not privy to Linda Ikeji's personal life, there is no way you can categorically say she did not receive financial help from a male companion, in her life. However, we have not heard that she dabbled into e-fraud. So she is cleared on that score, I guess. Anyway, you are right on one thing - there are many legit ways to make money in this country, without getting involved in crime!
4. Never give up even when the odds seem stacked against you.
Maybe. But there are times you need to take stock of your current endeavour and decide if you should continue throwing good money after bad, or change your line of business. Sometimes, all you need to do is put in a little more effort. At other times, you may actually need to throw in the towel, and start afresh, in order to achieve success.
5. Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. U are today what your choices were yesterday.
True. Pain and suffering are facts of life, but make sure you are not the architect of your own pain & suffering. You cannot keep doing things that hurt yourself, and keep expecting a different result.
eTECTIVe: Dis drama is becoming really embarrassing... So Boko Haram drove to town in a region with enof military presence to invade a country, packed over a hundred gals and left undetected. And den came back and dropped some of d gals still undetected and d govt calls it an unconditional release?
Hehehe.... una just wan use style take laugh kill person for here...!
ItzBIM: I’m already in Nigeria bro, went to U.k when I was 15 now I’m 27. I have a real estate business and also own an independent cinema. U.k is not a long term plan make your money and bounce
God bless you. I find it far easier to work and make my money here, and then go on holidays to the UK or any other foreign country I fancy, for just about 2-3 weeks max. I just cannot live in the UK for a long stretch of time. It is too cold, too sterile, too routine and just too mind numbing for me. I know a number of people who finance their lifestyles abroad, with funds earned from their investments and properties, in Nigeria.