₦airaland Forum

MorrowCaligari:
nothing serious. just having a bit of harmless fun.

You must be very stuupid to call this harmless fun. You and kaura never meant anything less than harm.

I mean who opens a thread to downplay the Oyo empire, worse try to elevate hausaland over it

OPCNAIRALAND:
I love how they qualify that...Muslim YORUBA and Hausa slaves.

Interpretation - Yoruba is dominant, Hausa is subordinate.

Is nothing left to say!

omiye mi waa se're. All these mumu mumu people that were enslaved by everybody trying to insult their superiors
I mean 200 years and counting, under fulani domination. Gosh! I weep for hausas

MorrowCaligari:
Lool! Only yoruba culture is exhibited in these areas because no other ethnicity had as many slaved as they did. Your race should be in the Guinness world records.

Read you iidiot, read. I know it's difficult for an hausa man to get ssense but try. .defile all sstupidity in ur genes and gain some intelligence


Hausa communities cannot be relevant cause you lack a strong culture.
Yorubas took Isese to the americas, so did Ewes and Fon with Vodun.. Igbo were also enslaved..probably in the greatest numbers, but no igbo community survives in the Americas. Wolof, fulani, Congo were also taken as slaves but no Wolof or fulani community survives in the Americas. ..
Only people with a rich and deep culture could have survived... not totally islamized hausas

kaura5000:
Idiot never give me Wikipedia as a source... who knows even you can edit it.... but first before i talk to you go and learn the difference between Hausa speakers sold as slaves and real Hausa people

Ok lemme give the moronic hausa slaves another source
In many cases slaves held their new faith in Christianity
and their African beliefs at the same time, and sought to fuse the two. For
Muslim Africans this was less possible.
In 1835 in Bahia, the largest slave
rebellion in Brazil was organized by Muslim Yoruba and Hausa slaves and
directed against the whites and against nonbelievers.

http://history-world.org/African%20Diaspora.htm

You'll say I edited that too

MorrowCaligari:
and most hausa speakers in ghana are speakers and not actually hausa!

Hausa speakers, not hausa What again is left to identify as hausa? Must u all be born of the same mother? Infact nothing is left of ur original selves. . Today the only thing "hausa" is ur language. .which isn't even the original nilo-saharan language of your ancestors. .
Fvcking maggot slaves

MorrowCaligari:
looool! liar liar pants on fire, nothing suggests that there were hausa slaves involved in that. see the fact that youve resorted to lying means you have nothing on us

A slave’s identity was not only stripped when sold into the slave trade, but they were assigned a new identity that was to be immediately adopted in stride. This new identity often came in the form of a new name, created by a Christian or Portuguese first name randomly issued by the baptizing priest, and followed by the label of an African nation. In Brazil, these "labels" were predominantly Angola, Congo, Yoruba, Ashanti, Rebolo, Anjico, Gabon, and Mozambique.[38] Often these names were not assigned with regards to ethnicity or origin, but only served as a way for Europeans to divide Africans in a familiar manner. Anthropologist Jack Goody stated, "Such new names served to cut the individuals off from their kinfolk, their society, from humanity itself and at the same time emphasized their servile status".

why is there no hausa community in brazil like there is yoruba? liar liar liar

hausas have never been enslaved by another race.

Shut up ode! The Bahia slave rebellion was conducted by Ethnic yorubas and hausas, Hausa descendants of slaves are also present in salaga

It's general knowledge that the slaves taken to Bahia came from the bight of Benin. .where slave traders were yoruba and Dahomeans. Hausa couldn't have met themselves in Bahia without being slaves to yorubas first.


You have no proof that slave masters stripped them off their identity, giving new names is so far from stripping their identities. the slaves knew where they came from, except children or descendant of slaves shipped in but the first generation themselves knew all about their home. the Europeans kept records of the slaves they shipped and where they were shipped to. . You iidiots were sold by we yorubas


Ahuna - Ahuna was a Nagô slave who lived in Salvador. He travelled frequently to Santo Amaro where his owner had a sugar plantation. It has been suggested that his presence was a key factor in the timing of the rebellion.
Pacífico Lucatan - Lucatan was a Nagô slave who worked as a tobacco roller. He was in prison at the time of the rebellion, and one of the main goals was to free him.
Luís Sanim - Sanim was a Nupe slave who also worked as a tobacco roller. He ran a fund where each member contributed a day's wages for slave labor, presumably monthly, and this money was divided into three parts: one part for cloth to make Muslim garments; a part to masters' portions of slave wages—since Malê slaves did not work on Fridays; and one part to help buy letters of manumission.
Manoel Calafate - Calafate travelled to Santo Amaro to mobilize rebels on the eve of the uprising. He took an active part in the fighting and appears to have been killed in Palace Square.

Elesbão do Corma - Elesbão do Corma was a HAUSA freedman who was known in the African community as DANDARA. He owned a tobacco shop which was also used as a meeting place for Malês. He also travelled through the Recôncavo for his business, and brought the Muslim faith to slaves on the plantations there.[16]


Hausa communities cannot be relevant cause you lack a strong culture.
Yorubas took Isese to the americas, so did Ewes and Fon with Vodun.. Igbo were also enslaved..probably in the greatest numbers, but no igbo community survives in the Americas. Wolof, fulani, Congo were also taken as slaves but no Wolof or fulani community survives in the Americas. ..
Only people with a rich and deep culture could have survived... not totally islamized hausas . You people have it easy accepting ur defeat and love to remain conquered

FisifunKododada:
The guy has always maintained that the Yorubas and Itshekiris are not related. So why is he now calling Ilajes (a Yoruba tribe) his people? Is that not inconsistency? It doesn't concern me what his opinion is, as long as he is consistent. He cannot say today that the Yorubas are his people today, then tomorrow he comes here and says he his tribe is not related to the Yorubas. Can't eat your cake and have it. Dude needs to be consistent in his words.

Goodboiy is this true?

MorrowCaligari:
this isnt hausa markings dumbo!!! theres no hausa state that has that type of markngs.not even the gobirawas

That photo u posted isn't yoruba markings :p

In Bahia the Hausas were primarily identified with practicing Islam because they adopted Islam before coming over to Brazil

rebellion in Brazil was organized by Muslim Yoruba and Hausa slaves and
directed against the whites and against nonbelievers.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%C3%AA_Revolt


Nd the fools said no hausas were enslaved. Slaves in Bahia are known to have come through the bight of Benin slavery sellers - yorubas, Dahomeans

MorrowCaligari:
Nothing can be more horrific than this. As if they're faces aren't a horror show on their own, they had to add insult to injury!

Stop condemning yoruba for what you do so well

MorrowCaligari:
why did it happen how can a king marry off his daughter to his subject?

To spy, to solidify the authority over ur land

I see hausa have nothing on yorubas.



1535? Why not quote where it says Orompoto conquered nupe



They re-established Oyo as more centralized and expansive than ever. The people created a government that established its power over a vast empire.[6] During the 17th century, Oyo began a long stretch of growth, becoming a major empire. Oyo never encompassed all Yoruba-speaking people.


Taking a cue from their Nupe enemies (whom they called "Tapa", the Yoruba rearmed with armor and cavalry.[6] Oba Ofinran, Alaafin of Oyo, succeeded in regaining Oyo's original territory from the Nupe.[5] A new capital, Oyo-Igboho, was constructed, and the original became known as Old Oyo.[5] The next oba, Eguguojo, conquered nearly all of Yorubaland.[5] After this, Oba Orompoto led attacks to obliterate the Nupe to ensure Oyo was never threatened by them again.


Again, I ask for proof that Nupes enslaved Yorubas... a military defeat and city occupation doesn't say "enslaved"
The Oyos of the city had moved to Borgu.


Same rogue fulani and Ilorin alliance that met defeat at the hands of Ibadan?

The Fulani Caliphate attempted to expand further (than Ilorin )into the southern region of modern-day Nigeria, but was decisively defeated by the armies of Ibadan in 1840.

MorrowCaligari:
shuuut up!!! we were subjects and their king married one of his daughters to his subjects! sure!!

We all know why that happened. Marriage to ur king means nothing

kaura5000:
What proof you need more than queen amina's conquest

Did she conquer Yorubaland? OK I know you'll say yes

kaura5000:
The objectives of her conquests were twofold: extension of her nation beyond its primary borders and reducing the conquered cities to a vassal status. Sultan Muhammad Bello of Sokoto stated that, "She made war upon these countries and overcame them entirely so that the people of Katsina paid tribute to her and the men of Kano and... also made war on cities of Bauchi till her kingdom reached to the sea in the south and the west." Likewise, she led her armies as far as Kwararafa and Nupe and, according to the Kano Chronicle, "The Sarkin Nupe sent her (i.e. the princess) 40 eunuchs and 10,000 kola nuts.... haha these were the yoruba slaves caught by nupee and given to queen amina as tribute who would later sell their brothers to them fir shipment to the americas

Can you provide evidence that Amina ever reached the sea. .or just another shiit that Mohammed Bello said when high on cow dung?

Can you provide evidence that Nupes enslaved Yorubas. . The same nupe who Oyo conquered in the late 16th century?

kaura5000:
You had no contact with songhay or mali because if you did we were had more chance of knowing than you... because we were part of songhay empire so dont tell me nonsense

You were part of the Empire as subjected people not elites. . Gosh! Taking pride in subjection. .typical hausa feature

MorrowCaligari:
the idiott doesnt know, they got almost everything from us, they even use our words in their vocabulary!

the only thing theyre good at is being slaves

What did we get from you? Words? are you clowns now?
Because we say "wahala" "alubosa" these are arab words you iidiot. .. how can you claim arab words? Damn!

MorrowCaligari:
yess, apparently the man who gave you your name?? how sad!!! a songhai named your people!! and seriously? when arab scholars were writing about hausa civilizations in the 9th century looooooool! i told you, you are nothing, good for nothing but slavery!!! and the only dealings youd have with malians and songhais would be when they push your people into caravans and sell you off.


smh! clown of a race!!!

You asked me to provide name of the book Ahmed Baba wrote about yoruba. .so now I ask, since I don't have an answer to ur question, what are the names of these books written by arabs in the 9th century about hausaland?

Germans were named by the Romans? The British too. . Hebrews named so by foreigners, the entire Europe is named so by Phoenicians
So what's all this nonsense?

Mehn! U folks lack common sense, I thought you said we never had dealings with Malians and Songhai. .now we had dealings but they enslaved us.
Pls maintain one argument and making a fool of urself

kaura5000:
Your kiriji wars produced the greatest number of slaves that were exported to hausaland Europe and Cuba Brazil etch you tiger lined face idiot

Proof pls? Show me documentation cus the 19th century is not too far along
the evidence of yoruba slaves in Hausaland should be very visible

Wtf! You insult yoruba for having facial marks? Omg! Hausas have the most horrific facial marks. . You don't know ur people have facial marks? Omg!

kaura5000:
You had no contact with songhay or mali because if you did we were had more chance of knowing than you... because we were part of songhay empire so dont tell me nonsense

Smh! Mumu, if we had contact with songhay and mali. How come Ahmed Baba wrote about yoruba nation
How come islam is called "religion of mali" in yoruba?

Yoruba reached modern Burkina Faso and ivory coast , but you think we didn't notice Mali or Songhai? Where's ur brain?

scholes0:
Yes basically everybody enslaved you....
Read about hausa slaves in the Americas.....
Where are the descendants of pygmies in the new world or Arab world.... what is the average height of their offspring...lol.... stupied person.

Read for yourself, Silly thing....


The slaves sold by Oyo were from four different sources: 1) native criminals, who were not so numerous, 2) war captives, who were the majority 3) slaves given in tribute by vassal states, such as Dahomey, who were not so many, and 4) slaves bought from Nupe, Borgu and even the Hausa states and Borno, especially in the late 18th century. Adams (1786-1800) refers to the large numbers of Hausa slaves for sale at Porto Novo

http://www.dhspriory.org/kenny/NWAfr/a14.htm

LOL, Hausas are just a pathetic race in general.... contributing nothing to both modern and ancient huanity.


cc: Macof, come see some of our slaves, awon Eru Hausa.

1. They lost their original nilo-saharan language and adopted another
2. Lost their original way of worship
3. Lost their dynasties
4. Enslaved by many people. ..being the most enslaved people in africa
5. Have been dominated by fulanis for 200 years in their own land

MorrowCaligari:
huh! i wonder what this masterpieces art were? maybe you mean carving dolls! maybe carving dolls naked makes you civilized??

you entered the atlantic slave trade because you were a worthless race of primitive good for nothings, best put to use as slaves.



sooo? what do you mean even? until contact with hausas, fulanis werent an organised state, they were a nomadic tribe then.


lieeees! the pygmies were enslaved! there are well known stories of pygmies being enslaved! i still think theyre more civilized than you though!


how are we slaves to whites when they never enslaved us? how are we slaves to arabs when they never enslaved us? slaves to fulanis? now that is just a desperate joke

Wow! So you live in a cave that you've never heard of the remarkable Ife near copper arts and ivory of Owo?

says the slowpoke that lost uncles and brothers to the same transatlantic trade.

We yorubas sold you off to Europeans. .why don't you understand the simple english? Malians and Songhai sold you to arabs
You've remained slaves to fulanis for 200 years
Gosh! Slaves in your own land. .

MorrowCaligari:
lool! the fulanis were aided by hausas dumb a.ss! there are various hausas states, most of them have hausa leaders, it doesnt matter if the fulanis are emirs, they speak hausa, i doubt any of them speaks a word of fulfulde, they dress like hausa, they are hausa? what is hausa? hausa is not a single ethnicity dweeb, read up on history!


oooh sod off! after we sacked illorin, oyo fell! because you are indeed cowards! and we enslaved you, sold you and kept you for our amusement.


jibber jaber. berbers, dutch, and portugese never had any contact with hausas idiott! you on the other hand, youre saying exactly what happened to you, there is no state that didnt enslave the yoruba people, go to every continent! you are world reknowned slaves, even in your country! the songhai empire ended when they tried to mess with hausa states. the yorubas.... well we did have contact with them, pilaged their villages and sold them off as we pleased, it was easy.

he say aided. Aided to displace your dynasties. .all over hausaland. I've never known a more enslaved and proud people than hausas. . No wonder fulani have the "born to rule" mentality, they are used to having slaves . Even in the political sphere of northern Nigeria, fulani dominate you fools. . Imagine. .being slaves to fulanis for 200 years in ur own land. And you have the guts to compare hausa city-states to yoruba city-states

Provide evidence that you sacked Ilorin? You think Yorubaland is like hausaland? I'm proud to say no inch of Yorubaland was sacked by a non yoruba power until the British

Provide evidence that Yorubas were slaves in Asia? Hausas on the other hand were castrated by the arabs.




Shut up, songhay ended cus of Morocco, Morocco is an hausa state in this fool's mind

Can you provide evidence of this "pillage"? When did hausas raise weapon against yorubas? You dummies have been enslaved for life.
Show me what century, what people enslaved yorubas apart from Dahomey?


Mehn! Hausas are such slaves that even ur original nilo-saharan language is lost, you had to adopt an afroasiatic one

kaura5000:
Give us testimony of your so called greatness... don't you have great explorers that visit you?? I gave you Leo Africans view of hausaland and Timbuktu almaghili etc tell me yours... you ducking cowards that invite the British to conquer you guys.. stupid slaves

Why are you so fixated on explorers? You people are really born to be morons. .. with all ur knowledge of history you haven't realized that geography plays a key role in what kind of explorers visit ur land.
While more north African explorers would talk more about places like kano, Europeans would talk about Lagos, Benin, and not kano or any village desert

Portuguese explorer Rui de Sequeira, in 1472 wrote about Lagos
Dahomeans had used Portuguese men as Ambassadors to Oyo as early as the 17th century

Go get some sense pls, you just displaying the stupidity known to be synonymous with the name "hausa"

kaura5000:
Yoruba were never in the scheme of things in west Africa.. we were busy with kanem borno mali and songhay when no one knows Yoruba even to early adventurers... Hausa were mentioned by historians Ibn khaldun and in the book tarikh Sudan.. the reason why no one mentioned Yoruba is because you were never important in the first place.... shame the devil and tell me the history of the name Yoruba or Yoruba??

You are big slowpoke if you think yorubas never had dealings with Malians and Songhai.
Ahmed Baba is known to have written about Oyo in the 16th century. Stop ur lies. We know you are insecure. .
You started this thread with sokoto caliphate, after I and opcnairaland gave you the very much needed reply you switched to hausa city-states..hausas that were easy to be conquered by a fulani refugee
Mr. Maintain one argument. .you are so confused. ..

kaura5000:
Yoruba were never in the scheme of things in west Africa.. we were busy with kanem borno mali and songhay when no one knows Yoruba even to early adventurers... Hausa were mentioned by historians Ibn khaldun and in the book tarikh Sudan.. the reason why no one mentioned Yoruba is because you were never important in the first place.... shame the devil and tell me the history of the name Yoruba or Yoruba??

You are big slowpoke if you think yorubas never had dealings with Malians and Songhai.
Ahmed Baba is known to have written about Oyo in the 16th century.

kaura5000:
deal with an emir in ilorin first before you can dream of owning Hausa slaves... even today you know who are slaves between we and you

Emir in one city out of hundreds in Yorubaland. . Fulani conquered u slaves all over ur land nd displaced ur kings
At least Ilorin had no existing dynasty, Ilorin was an independent city. .responsible for its own decisions. .some of such decisions was allowing an emir. The people in Ilorin at 1824 were all muslims made up of the following: Yoruba, Nupe, Borgu, Hausa, fulani. .. no fulani conquered an inch of Yorubaland. Yorubas at Ilorin willingly allowed an Islamic figure, the eemir was not imposed on them
If you think fulani are strong enough to challenge yoruba, we did nearby Offa, Omu-aran never got an emir?

Of course, I know you are the slaves, slaves to everybody who ever encountered you. .slaves to arabs, Berbers, songhay, fulani, Yoruba, Portuguese, British, Dutch etc

MorrowCaligari:
macof scholes0

like i said, your brother shot himself in the foot, he gave me the means to destroy hi, this is what i got from the article he linked

Well before the jihād, Hausaland was tied into the slave trading network of the Oyo empire. Robin Law observes that enslavement of Oyo citizens did not become common until after 1810, with a consequent aggravated instability of the kingdom. Before that time slaves were obtained from outside, with a great expansion in the 1780s of trade in slaves purchased from the north. He concludes that any political consequences should be sought in Hausaland rather than in Oyo

How does this go against all what scholes0 and I have been saying? Damn! You hausa are really dumb folks .

The article made it clear that oyo empire had slaves from the northern nations ie nupe, Ebira, Hausa, and fulani.
Hausaland on the other hand, never had southerners as slaves. There was no market in the reach of hausas to purchase southern slaves. . You sold yourselves.
Yorubas in slavery didn't come until Oyo lost much of its power in the 1800s, and yoruba subsequent intertribal wars. yoruba slaves of this time never left africa. .. many of them are in Sierra Leone, some came back home

MorrowCaligari:
everything i say is backed up by facts, is there any record of such interaction between hausas and arabs anywhere? FOH!


oyo doesnt have the cohones to touch a hausa man, not to talk of selling him, but damn.... going to illorin, chasing you out and installing and emir there damn you niggas must be hurt.

As for the songhais, refer to my earlier post, they also cant touch us. The one time they did, Kebbi taught them a lesson and they never came back!



More like the british ships and hausas caravans was filled with your race.


go and try again.

So you are saying hausa and arabs never had interactions?
Lol. Oyo had hausa slaves. ..deal with it. Ilorin is a testament to that fact. . The 19th century history of Ilorin speaks of Afonja recruiting hausa and fulani slaves serving in Oyo

they never came back. .but they kept your folks as slaves

stop dreaming hausas never had yoruba slaves you mofo. ..where could you have gotten them from?

Ajibolatao:
After reading my first post, is it that you don't believe in those miracles as signs from God or you assume they are coincidence or you just choose to ignore them?

I can't remember any miracles from ur post. .just claims that Quran knew this, knew that. .and so it must be holy

Ajibolatao:
macof

I sincerely fancy you for thinking before choosing but then you also have to be open minded. Why do u choose traditional religion when them oguns doesn't tell u to idolize them?

Smh. Pls you need to learn what Isese is all about

OPCNAIRALAND:
I think the input from op on this scientific evidence can stand on its own proof. It corroborates the oral history in the Royal courts.

You and 9ja crip are asking other camp to submit proof but your own claim is not standing on good ground either if "school of thought" is all you have for reference.

Actually, the good ground is that all oduduwa rituals or rituals concerning the Ooni's coronation are done at Oke ora. It's public knowledge that Oke Ora is strongly connected to the Oduduwa personality

Pls how is mecca of any importance to the Ooni's coronation?