₦airaland Forum

nairamaniac:
After going thru the stress of murdering audu, they still didn't upgrade his status to Governor-Level?
Bello should watch his back.

You are big slowpoke. So a man dies, somebody must be responsible for it

chuna1985:
U have no familiarity with any African nation that practice Osu, Outcast or caste system because u have refused to take available info.

Across Africa n Asia, Outcast system n Caste system is found everywhere. Only civilization can drive it away

U can study more to update urself

Why not give me the available info. Name a few african people that practice the osu-type outcast system.
Pls Note: I'm not talking about slave cast or social class cast

Yorubas in nigeria should build strong relationship with our kin in Benin republic and Togo

pleep:
We all remember when we were children and we would be sexually attracted to a particular classmate. Instead of being honest about our feelings we would hide and repress them by pretending we hated that person.

Likewise, the afrocentric is the 1# self-hater in the black community. Just like a child who ignores his real feelings the Afro-centric covers up his self hate and jealousy of whites by pretending to be proud of his blackness. This facade, however, falls apart under scrutiny. When you analyze the numerous contradictions in the so called "pride" of this self hating insecure loser you find that there is no one more ashamed to be black than those who pretend to be the proudest.

First off, the so called "proud" Afrocentric claims everyone to be black; in his eyes all mixed race people are black, the Arab is black, the Hispanic is black etc etc. He claims to be descended from the Moors, sometimes the Egyptians, sometimes the Hebrews... some even claim to be Greeks. This is the opposite of pride, pride is based on exclusivity, people are proud of their Ferrari because its rare to have such a car, but unlike real pride the Afrocentric's false pride is more akin to a desire to belong, to include as many people as "black" as possible so he wont feel so alone and isolated.

The second evidence of latent afrocentric self-hate can be found when he says "race is a social construct". How can one be proud of his race when he wants to pretend it doesn't exist? These same Afro-centrics often claim "all races come from black, we were the first race". How is it pride to want other races to have evolved from you? The Afro-centric is not even intelligent enough to understand that when he says this he is making the most potent argument for his inferiority.

newsflash: things tend to improve when they evolve.

The hallmark of Afro-centric self hate is the inability to look inward. The Afrocentric blames every problem in his race on external factors and can never hold his people accountable. Tell me, who hates himself more than a man who cannot even look in the mirror?

Absolutely true. I get sick reading afro-centric write ups. The people who claim to be doing africa a favor are the ones with the littlest knowledge of africa, instead of drawing attention to African civilizations they rather claim other civilizations outside africa

chuna1985:
Osu or outcast used to be very popular in Africa, every single tribe had such punishments in the olden days. But now it's dying off everywhere. In my village n local government, I have never seen or heard about osu or outcast. It's very possible that some localities in igbo land could still practice it.

I'm not familiar with any other african nation practicing osu. . Do you know any?

lawani:
I will answer with some common Yoruba sayings 'Obiri laye, se ni aye nyi, eda kan nto lehin ni' meaning 'the earth is spherical and rotating, living things are just trudging along the surface'. Osupa laye which literally means 'the Earth is a moon or the Earth is like a moon' which shows clearly people who were star trekkers and viewed Earth from outer space. Would you say our ancestors were God for knowing these?

To be honest, I don't always remember the saying "obiri laye" very popular
Yorubas knew the earth was spherical before the "intelligent" Greeks

tpiar:
I'm not sure what you folks are typing.

is there anyone here who can correct you?

If you have something to say, just say it
If not run along to another thread

MorrowCaligari:
Lol! Okay, but it is interesting how the Fulbe of Kwara speak Yoruba fluently, it was almost like a magic trick, but I think there were some yoruba's amongst them. Possibly assimilated into the Fulbe culture.

What's magical about fulbes speaking yoruba? The Senate President, Bukola Saraki, a yoruba man of fulani origins speaks yoruba and doesn't speak fulfude, no yoruba assimilation into fulbe culture necessary cus fulbe culture is almost dead in Kwara, it's the recent nomad settlers that try to keep it alive

tobtap:
dude y d insults...am not even fulani...i neva said fulani or hausa languages are lingua franca in kwara state...YORUBA is spoken generally even by the minorities(nupe,bariba and fulani).. i guess u must have problem understanding basic english...i dare u to visit the bani town in moro LGA and see for ur sef.... so i will repeat what i have said earlier... 70% of the inhabitants of the town are bororos(fulanis) and they dont understand yoruba or speak yoruba.....but thier king is yoruba (OBA) ...cheers

I have one problem with this tho..I don't quite understand what you're saying

Is it that the 70% fulani in Bani are natives or settlers? One thing, it's hard to believe bororo nomads and a yoruba man of nobility found an empty land and decided to set up a town together. And how come they don't speak yoruba but only fulfude?
Anyway, many don't count moro lga as part of Yorubaland. .but we seem to have many Obas there

What are these elements of Culture, language, worship, far more symbols, tokens, arts, legends and lexicon shared between the ancient Egyptians and Yorubas.
I know few do exist but not strong enough to draw attention to the claim of an "Egyptian origin" for yoruba.

@OPCNAIRALAND

OPCNAIRALAND:
Are there no Ogbonis in his town to remind him of the heirarchy of Oduduwa crown and help him undersyand he is not vying for a PDP or APC seat?

Who listens to Ogboni these days?

tobtap:
well i know the king is yoruba...because the fulani dude told me...kwara state has 16 LGAs and 12 is fully yoruba... 2 for (barubas & kaiama) nd 2 for nupe people...YORUBA is the lingua franca of kwara state...because it is most spoken and taught local language in the states.. (barubas and nupes) and to an extent fulanis are minorities in kwara state.. cheers

ok, I just wanted some sort of confirmation.

tobtap:
there is a small town in moro LGA in kwara state call bani...where the majority of the inhabitants are fulanis and the king is yoruba..( quite unique ) the lingua franca of the town is fulfude...no one understand yoruba and hausa there.(hausas are not native to kwara) only fulanis ..i was quite surprised...

How were you able to confirm that the King is yoruba? Does he carry a yoruba name or the "Oba" title
I've been told by kwara natives that Yoruba is understood all over the state.

Flyoruboy:
Ok. If you say so. But like I said, according to Samuel Johnson and this Wiki link, the Awujale title came into being during Alaafin Jayin's reign -- this account states that it was an ilari sent by the Alaafin to the Ijebuland that became the frist Awujale

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayin

I am typing via my phone I would have quoted Samuel Johnson's submission.

I'm familiar with Samuel Johnson, I don't take his book seriously. .too much errors

Flyoruboy:
Then how come Samuel Johnson's history of the Yoruba states that the first Awujale of Ijebuland was sent from Oyo by the Alaafin?

That's nonsense. The Awujale dynasty is older than Alafin. .as Awujale was an elder brother of Alaafin

Aizenosa:
Who is this person, please go back to Sunday school I take God beg u abeg, please don't mention this outside of here even new born babies will laugh at you.

This is what ur silly pastors and priests would never teach you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi


The code of Hammurabi is the origin of the ten commandments Moses gave his people

@italo

madenigga:
but if its igbos immediately u guys wud start shouting crucify him... crucify him.

And you've not seen yorubas bashing him here

Drchristian:
Oba of benin is more powerful dan d two

But how?

Omololu007:
that guy just they yearn trash,,we don't even need the itsekiris to survive,,yorubas will survive without Nigeria,we are ready for division..we have oil,bitumen,land for agriculture,industry,population etc....I even believe we yorubas would have achieve more than dis if we are not part of Nigeria...how many years does it take qatar,UAE,singapore,indonesia,maleysia etc to get to where they are...can you imagine Nigeria a country that is more than 50yrs and we can't celebrate 24hrs power supply...dis country is trash.

My brother, yesterday at about 12 noon they took light o. .I didn't see light until 7pm today

And someone wants me to die of hope? Nigeria is hopeless please

LRNZH:
Alot of people on this side of the world are mentally lazy!

After seeing how states allocations are squandered year in year out, someone will sit down and assume that a brand new country will just wish away all our previous corrupt antecedents and problems. We need to get the basic right where we are.

Is it not the same Dasuki, Dokpesi, Fayose, Aregbe, Atiku, Bala Mohammed, Tompolo, GEJ, Odili, Asari, Ekweremadu, Peter Obi, Saraki etc that will be in the newly formed countries?

Have you asked yourself, why does the society keep breeding people like dasuki, GEJ, odili, asari, Saraki, buhari People who are incompetent and/or don't care? The problem is that Nigeria has failed to create the society that breeds "Good Leaders" .. like I said before, there's lack of patriotism/nationalism, it's all selfishness. .nobody feels the Nigerian state is to die for. .what am I even saying about die Nobody wants to lose sleep on top nigeria matter.. nigeria is not important to us, our parents don't teach us to relate with all Nigerians as brothers, we can't possibly relate as such when a yoruba man cannot go to Borno and not feel as if he is already in a different country.
Fixing nigeria might be killing nigeria

The Nigerian state is supposed to exist for the Nigerian people, when the state fails, it should be killed off for a new beginning

Curlieweed:
I have to thank you again. I don't understand why these defenders of the current status quo think that countries cannot survive without oil. There are several examples of successful nations all over the globe, some with very little fungible natural resource. I have repeatedly said it elsewhere that any group of determined people can form a successful state. The examples are legion. Examples of literally failed states with enormous resources equally abound.

You mentioned one key ingredient in making successful states, NATIONALISM. A situation where trained members of a national volunteer army repeatedly run from poorly armed ragtag insurgents should tell you the extent of nationalist fervour in our country. You can't fake it, neither can you inculcate it with propaganda. You can't import it with Niger Delta petrodollars and you can't get the Chinese to manufacture it for you.

Look ordinary Luxembourg, they are ahead of us in terms of living standard, employment rate, political stability, infrastructure. .many others
What again do I need to mention to show how ahead a little country that prospers only on Steel production is over nigeria?
We lack nationalism. .no National interest or Love of country. . A biafra will have igbos that have love of country, determined to building a successful state

LRNZH:
You dey mind these people? They will not undertake indepth analysis before making unsubstantiated claims.

Really? What indepth analysis have you made so far? I see a gross display of the fear of change

LRNZH:
Lool you make me laugh! Why are the banks crying because of TSA? All the government monies in commercial banks come from oil sales in case you are not aware.

If you shut down the oil industry in Nigeria today, even groundnut seller business will feel the heat. That's why Nigeria is a mono economy and we have been screaming for diversification.

I will like to know the volume of discovered oil reserves in Oodua Reoublic today let's compare notes.

How much is cocoa or cotton commodity price today? Lool.

It is easy to speak that Yoruba can do without Nigeria but all the IGR (taxes) that Lagos rely on are oil related directly or indirectly. Ever since the militancy chased many oil companies from PH and Warri, alot of them are HQ'd in Lagos. Their taxes and enoloyment will go away in Oodua Republic. Think of the mulitplier effect.

This is only so due to the failure of Nigeria as a state. A country with plans diversifies it's economy, Nigeria has no plans. What happens when oil prices cut down even further? Germany has no oil, yet they are the largest economy in all of Europe today. USA being the largest economy in the world has little to do with oil compared to electronics, weaponry and agriculture

do you deny the existence of oil in Oodualand?
That's a big lie, Lagos is a state with lots of commercial activities. .oil related establishments are not capable of sole provision of tax for Lagos state

EmoBoy:
Tunisia even after the Arab spring still has a better HDI ranking than Nigeria, so whats your point? We are now sixteen years in a democracy but the country is still not developing. Doesn't that tell you that something is fundamentally wrong with Nigeria?

Secession is one of the solutions to solve our teething problems, it is not the only solution. Steady democracy that is built on injustice, inequity, hatred and greed will stand no chance of success in a million years and that is why Nigeria will not develop.

Nicely put.

The very foundation of Nigeria is abominable, not even in a million years will nigeria give Nigerians what we want...heck! We all want different and sometimes opposing things

LRNZH:
I will give you a very simple example: the Arab Spring. How many countries have come out of it in one piece?

Steady Democracy has a better chance of success in nation building than revolution. Go and check history.

Our 4th republic is a baby...just 16 years old. We are focusing on the wrong solution by asking for secession.

How many countries with steady democracy never went through a revolution? A bloody one at that? ?
NOT That I support bloody revolution but I think the truth of reality and our existence as human beings prompt a "by any means necessary" action for what we want and need. Nigeria should just not let it get to the extent of "bloody"...9 have died already. .I don't wish for us to count more

EmoBoy:
What an ignorant comment

1. Nigerian states have economic, legal and institutional limitations
2. Most Nigerian states were created by ignorant and shortsighted military rulers.
3. Nigerian States cannot sustain themselves because they have been structured to be parasitic.
4. Nigeria has been operating as an illegal country from 1966 till date. That is why the country is totally messed up.
5. A country does not grow on the back of injustice, inequality, hatred and greed.
6. If certain sections of the country believe they can prosper as a sovereign nation, they have every right to pursue their aim.
7. Nigeria at its present state is not much better than the Benin Republic you mentioned in your comment. The two countries are on the same developmental phase both human and infrastructural.
8. You, like a vast majority of Nigerians are totally ignorant of the core problems facing Nigeria. You rather wait every four years to vote a "good president" to salvage your useless country rather than agitate to fix the fundamental issues hindering the progress of the country.

Good points.

A country built on corruption, extortion gimmicks and resentment can never make anything of itself.
Look at the very foundation of Nigeria. ..so pathetic

twosquare:
A recipe for one world government. Between now and 2030...Africa will most likely be reduced to 8 countries.

really? Are we ready for it?

auwal87:
For those who joined Nairaland Forum long enough, they will know that there was once an active campaign for the creation Arewa Republic from Nigeria. It was gathering momentum and gaining supporters daily, one of them even printed more than 3000 copies of an article I wrote and distributed in Kaduna, I had a chat with an SS on FB whom doesn't know I know he is SS because I was told he is going to contact me. I started receiving PMs of people showing their support and sometimes conversations gets hot until I slow them down. We even created flag, borders, etc. An anonymous caller even said they are ready to sacrifice their lives for the cause, and that they are waiting for my order, note the word 'they', which means the caller is not alone.

I and many others who campaign on this forum for the creation Arewa Republic are doing so entirely out of frustration from mostly Southerners calling us parasites, we do not intend to take the campaign any further, it was what you can call an empty campaign, no one will even believe what I was saying in the outside world because of the way I defend Nigeria so vigorously. I had to stop the campaign after the emergence of violent Boko Haram because it would have been very easy for the security agency to link up the campaign with the violent Boko Haram movement as a more dangerous narrative of the campaign started gaining momentum as well, that is Islamic Republic of Arewa.

While I have interest in having a country where I don't have to force anyone to share with my cultures and values, and also not be forced to share anyone's culture or value, I also accept that creating country is not a small task, it can lead to war, bloodshed, and loss of properties. I also thought it will be easier for Arewa to be a State under the proposed United Africa, than to be on its own, with its own currency, military, etc. I think that the most important discussion we should be having now is uniting Africa, not creating small countries that will fail in a few years. Think about it, a United Africa, where you can travel from Lagos to Zanzibar without borders, or from Tripoli to Accra without need for visa, think of the economic advantages, where goods manufactured in PortHarcourt can land in Dakar without customs or the fish in Morocco can be transported to Arewa by rail. Yes, it is just in my dreams, but a lot safer and more possible than creating a small country from Nigeria.

Africa can become a great country, afterall, lots of people thought Africa is a country.

Unification of africa can only come in one of two ways
1. One country completes a military conquest of all african states
2. Pan-africanism develops around the continent, but at that point, we would have to let go of bigotry, urge for political dominance etc. If we cannot even manage a nigeria (mini africa) how can we manage an africa under one government?

First things first, We need to reconstruct our boarders, all these abominable boarders created by the Europeans without our consent. . We need to construct homogeneous nations as best we can before talking of putting a project for a united africa into motion

LRNZH:
None of you agitating people is a serious human being

Which of you has been able to manage your ordinary states properly. Which state is truly sustainable if oil stops flowing in Nigeria today?

In all honesty no region can manage itself based on how the states have fared so far.

The best run states are in the SW but we all know that all their revenue are tied to Nigeria's oil industry directly or not. If Oodua Republic goes on its own, it will lose the oil businesses from the Nigeria Delta and other ancillary businesses like oil servicing, banking and IT that benefit from the oil industry. It will be like Benin Republic but it may be worse off because theres no Nigeria to rely on for car imports revenue.

I pity you guys. We better put all hands on deck and make Nigeria work. Our diversity and strategic position in Africa is our best chance as a race.

Lalasticlala come and see how Nigerians reason....

Oodua has oil in lagos and Ondo states...and with the possibility of Itsekiri joining Oodua

So banking can only function in a country with large oil reserves? Pls I need an answer to this question. .

Yorubas have agriculture, tourism, entertainment, art and textile, natural resources including crude oil and gold, we have access to the ocean, countless rivers and waterways plus our illustrious human resources

We don't need non yoruba Niger delta oil


What has our diversity given us so far? What has our position in Africa given us? How much better is nigeria than Benin Republic?
Just look at a country where nothing works, nothing! There's only resentment, bigotry, urge for political dominance, lack of nationalism/patriotism. All this will end in a homogeneous state under an independent government

madenigga:
see this mumu lieing thief,
I hv this very strong belief that oduduwa was a cursed liar... I guess the oba of abuja is an igbo man in yoruba man disguise.
Cowards.

and you go as far as insulting a yoruba ancestor. . See why people hate you igbos? ? When has anyone insulted ur ancestors? Most of whom you don't even know

What's my business with him? His Obaship makes no sense as an Oba rules over all people of the land not a few people. Who made him Oba? What do we even need an Oba yoruba in Abuja for? I don't believe a yoruba man can disgrace the yoruba like this

Afam4eva:
Recognized by which Igbos? If anything they're recognized by the government of the state where they're domiciled. An Eze Ndigbo Lagos for instance cannot attend a meeting of Ezes in Igboland. We know where our land and ends.

The fact that you've never heard of Oba of Abuja before doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can feign ignorance all you want but the reality is what you see on this thread. I will always advise you to resist from making statements such as the one you made about Eze Ndigbo outside Igboland being recognized by Igbos. You are not Igbo and as such have a second hand knowledge of Igbo affairs. Next time ask questions.

Oh pls!

Eze Ndigbo are appointed by fellow igbo people in their host town. When the igbos feel they face a problem the Eze represents them and presents their case to relevant authorities. That's why the host states recognize them. .. why else would that happen if the igbos don't recognize them first?


Oba of yoruba, on the other hand is not recognized by anybody. Oba of yoruba Abuja doesn't represent me or any yoruba in Abuja. .and the FCT would never recognize such a man.
I stil say Oba of yoruba doesn't exist. . Its all made up by someone(or people) looking to ridicule the yoruba

basilo101:
same with ezendigbo outside igboland. They are nt recognized by any traditiönal law in d east. They are mere represtantiv of igbo association. Why are yorubas making noise abt them when they hav same type of ppl elswhere?

They don't have to be recognized by laws from the east, they are already recognized by people from the east.

Different from this acclaimed "Oba yoruba"
Only a fool that doesn't know what it means to be Oba, calls himself Oba of yoruba in a community where there are more non yorubas than yorubas. ..cus an Oba is king to everyone in the entire land.
I don't blame you mofos, you probably made this all up to ridicule the yoruba