₦airaland Forum

Ajibolatao:
I already listed facts for you, yet u disbelieved now u are asking the same question... I tire oooo.

Oya, you tell us why u believe in the traditional deities?

You gave me nothing. I need to get an answer first

tpiar:
I havent been through the thread, but is it possible nobody here knows the Ooni belongs to every religion represented in his domain?

Did allah or jesus ordain him Ooni or did Obalufon, Ogun, Obatala?

RickRichards:
More like a Nubian goddess.

Nubia no be africa?

kejes10:
Congratulations. Making Nigeria proud everywhere we go

Proud how? At this point only his family can be proud

Nigeria benefits nothing from him. .and nigeria isn't expected to. . The Education this man obtained wasn't from Nigeria, the opportunities he has had in life wasn't made possible by Nigeria
And to top it up, he probably has never done any philanthropy in nigeria or contributed to our own national security

Useless country

dubemnaija:
8yrs difference, a pedophile?

Yes. She's 16. . Stay away till she's a mature lady of 20 at least

@dubemnaija ur friend is a pedophile, just a little away from a rapist. .
He also lacks self esteem and respect for the female sex. .
A child of 16? This isn't Afghanistan

femi4:
nope, there were other gods then like Dagon etc. The God I serve is for both Jew and gentiles. Paul, Cornelius, the ethiopian eunuch etc weren't jew

do you even know wat u worship? The mountain diety of the hebrews like our yoruba Orisa Oke

Listen, every nation and ethnicity on this planet has its own God. Any conscious act of exporting ur god to others is a move to dominate and colonize them in their own land, which any strong and cultural people would resist till extinction.
Yorubas should be strong enough to resist the move of domination by the jews, arabs, british and Vatican
Even ur bible says "all nations shall call to their own Gods" check Micha 4:5 & II Kings 17:29


You would have to be utterly stuupid and undeserving of your human status if you believe the Entity that created the universe can be pathetic and bias enough to camp with the jews alone. .such that you must go through jews to get to the creator. What happens to the Supreme being your ancestors called Chukwu, Olodumare, Ojo, Osanobua etc
Use ur head and stop being a demented slave

Tequilah@@

thuao:
what's this hullabalo abt.
did he knee infront of men, did he kneel down for pastors or reverend .
or before the king of kings , the lord n maker of heaven n earth.
olodumare, olu-orun(olorun), oba adeda, aseda, oludaye ati orun.
if he knelt before God n for God, then there's nothing wrong.

You're saying nonsense
And Olodumare is best sought for in a church? So our ancestors went to church to seek Olodumare?

Tequilah:
He goes to church to seek God Almighty, because that is where He can be found. And the king gives thanks to Jesus, because Jesus is way higher than all the Obatalas, Obalufons and Oranfes put together.

almighty god? A god that can only be found within a construct is not almighty. What king calls a foreign god almighty and considers the God of his ancestors less? Why did he show interest in the Obaship, why not bishop or a deacon if jesus is more important than Obalufon

manosteel:
Talking about greatest kings that ply this Earth, kings that ruler Nations, King Solomon, King David, King Cyrus, King Nebuchadnezzar etc, these Kings acknowledged the power of the almighty. Is Your Ooni greater than any of these? He knew He needs the real God, not one tiny god in calabash or small hut.

Nebukadnezar, David, Cyrus as a Babylonian never indulged in foreign gods..Solomon who did is usually rebuked for it.
It's best to condemn the act of a traditional ruler indulging in foreign religion

Shut up! If a yoruba man needs the real God he should seek Olodumare in the various shrines and temples in Yorubaland. .in fact Olodumare can be sought anywhere in Nature unlike ur god that lives in an ark the jews kept

femi4:
You can be a King and serve God Almighty. Examples David, Saul etc

David, Saul served Gods of their ancestors. A yoruba King should not leave Gods of his ancestors for gods of the arabs and jews

obinnashady:
After doing juju,u go church,u are 2faced.

Exactly! Apart from failing in the duty as custodian of yoruba traditions and culture and disgracing the yoruba ancestors he is supposed to represent he is also hypocritical and 2faced

itoese:
The Oba is a wise king. People can say what they like.

You can never see Emir from the north kneeling in church cus emirs are commanders of the faithful (in Islam).. Oba is a tittle deeply rooted in Isese as Igbakeji Orisa, it's wrong to go to church or mosque when Allah or jesus didn't ordain you but the Gods of the ancestors did.. why didn't Adeyeye Ogunwusi go to that church to be ordained a deacon? Or go to catholic church to be a bishop.
In that church they preach against the very traditions that made him Ooni, it shows he has no respect for traditions and cannot do his duty as Ooni

uwa1:
The people talking shld answer this question, Who is higher 'God Almighty or Ooni'..... Then d case is solved.

Why would you think a yoruba King should go to a church to seek God Almighty?
Does Olodumare live in a church?
Tinubu once said yoruba Obas are useless. ..now I agree, cus the simple task of being the custodian to the culture and traditions of your ancestors is now too difficult. . It is better to not have an Ooni in Yorubaland than one that doesn't represent the idea of "OONI"

Imagine after being coronated by obatala, Obalufon, Oranfe etc he goes to give thanks to jesus... is this an act befitting for a human being. .king or not?

southniyikaye:
dont mind them , Solomon knee and bowed and he became the wisest and richest

Solomon bowed for the god of his ancestors... when he started bowing for foreign gods.. his god deserted him and he was miserable

Same happens to africans. .we started bowing for foreign gods and are now the most miserable race on the planet

Revelation15:
I think god created Adam a black dude and Eve a white girl or may be a chinese.

jared007:
Don't worry about me am kul. I just told u who my ancestors are and I know what they believe.

Are you really cool? You call yourself son of Abraham and live without the knowledge of your ancestors and you say you're cool. don't delude yourself like this

Just take a look at your op, you can't even get the origin of races from the list of hebrew ancestors. ..and you don't think why. .. where does black africans like yourself fit? How about the mongoloid Asians? Or Aryans?

I love ur write up lawani. . I see lots of sense in this

Dude! Everything you've posted since my last post has been nothing but you keeping up your reputation for being a stuupid maggot


So Oyo is refered as a forest kingdom? Is sokoto not a desert sultanate? Are hausa and fulani not desert people?
Na wa o, Oyo were the most northern yoruba nation and didn't have much forests around like the southern nations. ..I wonder what makes them a forest people using cavalry
Oyo exported massive slaves. .and so? Who denied that? Many of these slaves were from Northern nations..with hausas
Yoruba know the difference between Hausa and fulani, no where are 2nd class hausas mentioned in the attacks against Oyo-ile. It was mainly an Ilorin vs Oyo fight with fulani assistance.. hausas have almost no presence in Ilorin today..all hausas known to have been in Ilorin during Afonja were Oyo slaves who were a long way into being yorubanized due to slavery. . .. nobody in Ilorin identifies as hausa even though we still have Borgu and Fulani personalities


I'm done with you. You got nothing to say

x123xlolls:
This shows that you are close to a point of 'No Idea'


because u hv start insulting as I can see...

One day, You will meet the real creator of death and life....
so its up to u to decide, 2 bliev in Him or not...
u a d one dat will answer the questions b4 Him.

Period.

#ItsUp2U

Gimme one reason why a yoruba man should believe in an Arab deity?

jared007:
Abrahams descendants were chosen above every other races to relate with God and gain insights and inspirations about their ancestors(Adam and Eve and Noah) before the coming of Christ. Now we in Christ have knowledge about Adam and Noah. Even if we are not descendants of Abraham biologically, the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ made us sons of Abraham by faith. My dear Macof if ur ancestors don't know Adam and eve, tell me who ur ancestors know?

Keep letting "Abraham's descendants" deceive you that they are ur natural superiors. Is it not what they claim? Did they prove it? What civilization did they have? How did they show that all humans are beneath them by God?

U don't need to ask me that, I don't need u to leave one just to jump to another. . I'm saying you should inform urself about your own ancestors and what they believed

henryanna36:
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Who's the man in the last photo?

njays24:
Thanks for reminding him. Our language might sound a little bit like yoruba,but we are not yorubas. Just like we have a yoruba speaking communities (the olukumis) inside an igbo-speaking towns in delta does not make them yorubas.

What makes a people yoruba? Is there something that exists with all yorubas but doesn't with itsekiri? You'll say Bini influence? What about Owo, Ilaje?

fratermathy:
Some Itsekiris won't like this statement. Itsekiri is Yoruboid but not a clan of Yoruba. The Olu of Itsekiri answers to no one like other Yoruba kings.

What is Yoruboid what is yoruba? aren't the Yoruboid language speakers in Togo and Benin republic Yorubas? Many of whom don't speak a language close to yoruba like itsekiri which is just Modified Ilaje language. All this unnecessary disattachment.. listen everybody needs to gather companions and form a union. . Itsekiri cannot stand alone. Best is to either fall in to the Edo group of people or Yorubas. ..
No king has to answer to anyone

The glory of Ife

fatiaforreal. Northern kingdoms are older than southern ones? Says who? Yoruba came from nupe, Borgu? ?? Says who?

Africans taking Semetic mythology over their indigenous knowledge. So Adam and Eve that ur ancestors never heard of are the origin of humanity? I weep for you op

KingEbukasBlog:
Christians are believers of Christ and adherents of his teachings . Christ clearly talked about hell during the time of his teachings

Can you really say u know jesus teachings? All u have about the dead jew are roman sources that came over 50 years after his death

MorrowCaligari:
maybe i am indeed stuupid because i cant find a single darn place where hausa is mentioned in this article, but yoruba is all over the place


The People And Gods In exile

Africans brought as slaves to America faced a peculiar series of
problems. Working conditions were exhausting and life for most slaves was
often "nasty, brutish, and short." Family formation was made difficult because
of the general shortage of women carried in the slave trade, a situation made
even worse where the ratio of men to women was sometimes as much as three to
one. To this was added the insecurity of slave status in which family members
might be separated by sale or by the masters' whim. Still, most slaves lived
in family units even if their marriages were not always sanctioned by the
religion of their masters.

Throughout the Americas, wherever Africans were brought, aspects of their
language, religion, artistic sensibilities, and other elements of culture
survived. To some extent the amount of continuity depended on the intensity
and volume of the slave trade from a particular area. Yoruba culture, for
example, was particularly strong in northeastern Brazil because the trade
between it and the Bight of Benin was heavy and continuous in the early 19th
century. During certain periods, Akan peoples predominated in Jamaica, while
Ewe or Dahomeans predominated in Haiti. Some slaveholders tried to mix up the
slaves on their plantations so that strong African identities would be lost,
but colonial dependence on slavers who dealt continually with the same region
tended to undercut such policies. In the reality of slavery in the Americas,
Africans had to adapt and change and to incorporate other African peoples and
their ideas and customs. Moreover, there were also the ways and customs of the
masters that were both imposed and adopted. Thus, what emerged as
Afro-American culture reflected specific African roots adapted to a new
reality. Afro-American culture was dynamic and creative in this sense.

Religion was an obvious example of continuity and adaptation. Slaves were
converted to Catholicism by Spaniards and Portuguese, and slaves were capable
of fervent devotion as members of Black Catholic brotherhoods some of which
were organized by African origins. Still, African religious ideas and
practices did not die out, and many African slaves were accused of
"witchcraft" by the Inquisition in those colonies. In the English islands,
obeah was the name given to the African religious practices, and the men and
women knowledgeable in them were held in high regard within the community. In
Brazilian candomble (Yoruba) and Haitian Vodun (Aja), rather fully developed
versions of African religion flourished and continue until the present,
despite attempts to suppress them.

The reality of the Middle Passage meant that religious ideas and concepts
were easier to transfer than the institutional aspects of religion. Without
religious specialists or a priestly class, aspects of African religions were
changed or transformed by contact with other African peoples as well as with
colonial society. In many cases slaves held their new faith in Christianity
and their African beliefs at the same time, and sought to fuse the two. For
Muslim Africans this was less possible. In 1835 in Bahia, the largest slave
rebellion in Brazil was organized by Muslim Yoruba and Hausa slaves and
directed against the whites and against nonbelievers.

Resistance and rebellion were other aspects of African- American history.
Recalcitrance, running away, and direct confrontation were present wherever
slaves were held. As early as 1508 African runaways disrupted communications
on Hispaniola, and in 1527 a plot to rebel was uncovered in Mexico City.
Throughout the Americas communities of runaway slaves formed. In Jamaica,
Colombia, Venezuela, Haiti, and Brazil runaway communities were continuous and
persistent. In Brazil, during the 17th century, Palmares, an enormous runaway
slave kingdom with numerous villages and a population of perhaps 8,000 to
10,000 people, resisted Portuguese and Dutch attempts to destroy it for a
century. Although its inhabitants were both Creoles and Africans of various
backgrounds, its origins, organization, and leadership were Angolan. In
Jamaica, the runaway "Maroons" were able to gain some independence and a
recognition of their freedom. So-called ethnic slave rebellions organized by a
particular African group were relatively common in the Caribbean and Brazil in
the 18th century. In North America where reinforcement from the slave trade
was less important, resistance was also important, but it was based less on
African origins or ethnicities.

Perhaps, the most remarkable story of African American resistance is
found in the forests of Suriname, a former Dutch plantation colony. There
large numbers of slaves ran off in the 18th century and mounted an almost
perpetual war in the rain forest against the various expeditions sent to hunt
them down. Those captured were brutally executed, but eventually a truce
developed. Today about 50,000 Maroon descendants still live in Suriname and
French Guiana. The Suriname Maroons maintained many aspects of their West
African background in terms of language, kinship relations, and religious
beliefs, but these were fused with new forms and ways drawn from European and
American Indian contacts resulting from their New World experience. From this
fusion based on their own creativity, a truly Afro-American culture was
created.



so please point it out for me, you lying piece of rat sh.iiit!!!!!!!!



i could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap an argument better than yours.

Oh well, you can't see hausa from what you quoted means that ur stupidity is off the charts like every typical hausa maggot

Am done with you. I've dealt with you maggots, people needed to know just how much of a damned slave you are . #mostEnslavedPeopleOnEarth

MorrowCaligari:
After Awole's rejection, Afonja, now master of Illorin, invited an itinerant Fulani scholar of Islam called Alim al-Salih into his ranks. By doing this, he hoped to secure the support of Yoruba Muslims (mainly slaves taking care of the Empire's horses) and volunteers from the Hausa-Fulani north in keeping Ilorin independent. Torn by internal struggle, Oyo could not defend itself against the Fulani.[49] Oyo-Ile was razed by the Fulani Empire in 1835 and the Oyo Empire collapsed in 1836.




see i always back uo what i say with facts!! and ile ife was already completely irrelevant at this point!!!!


secretly, this dweeb wishes he was hausa, i mean, who doesnt, but nature played a cruel trick on you!!! you were dealth a faulty hand, you never stood a chance!

the born to be a maggot slave is still talking. . So Ilorin (with support of northern fulanis) pushed Oyos southwards means hausas razed their city? Fulani and hausa are the same now? Oh! I forgot a slave always wants to identify with his masters
Same fulani that were dealt with by the same Oyos(now resettled at Ibadan) and captured muslim yorubas of Ilorin that were beheaded?

Completely irrelevant? The source of all yoruba dynasties irrelevant? Why didn't you try attacking Ife and watch a bombardment of all yorubas on ur stuupid north. .you should ask the Owus what happened to them for making the mistake of attacking Ife

I don't think you know macof at all, a proud yoruba like myself can never wish to be hausa. .try ur angas relatives

MorrowCaligari:
Well you're pissed because what he's saying is true. The Hausa states did raze Oyo did they not? When was Oyo established? Who even knew of oyo before the 17th century? When the Nupes were busy bullying you!


For me, it's just harmless fun, to you it's more than that because it's the bitter truth you can't fathom

won gbe imi wa...now Hausas razed oyo what next you razed ile ife too?

Of course, truth to the inherently stuupid who can't tell facts from fiction

MorrowCaligari:
You referenced an article, now I ask where the article mentions hausa.

And like I said, your culture survived because your numbers exceed that of any other ethnicity there

Stop dodging my questions

you've finally gone stark stuupid. You couldn't find hausa mentioned in the piece i quoted?
Here it is again

In 1835 in Bahia, the largest slave
rebellion in Brazil was organized by Muslim Yoruba and Hausa slaves and
directed against the whites and against nonbelievers.

http://history-world.org/African%20Diaspora.htm

Read from the Heading : The people and the Gods in exile.

thanks be to my Eleda for not making me an hausa man. .too much mumu mumu in ur genes