₦airaland Forum

MorrowCaligari:
the nok art has been credited to hausas by most, though i dont want it. hausa accepted islam early in their civilization, the first recorded islamic jihad fought in subsaharan Africa was fought by the hausa king of kano Ali yaji dan tsamiya, the battle of santolo.

The hausa tubali architecture is unique, it is also worthy of note that the first multi story building in africa was built by hausas, the gobarau minaret, what about the gidan rumfa? if you want to see more about the beauty of tubali, google it. what was your architecture called? what did it look like? a rat hole? bad joke...


just accpt that you were primitive backwards people and if it wasnt for the brits youd still be the same , thank your british slave masters for having mercy on you,.

and the ajami script, thoughusing arabic alphabets was used to record hausa not arabic. and it had unique alphabets and vowels of its own.

Dude, all ur so called achievements in the face of a potential wipe out of your culture is nothing.
It took a refugee fulani man to defeat all ur "great" hausa city states and wipe out ur dynasties

You accepted islam as you accepted the arabs as ur masters. Not to forget that your folks were also sold out to the Americas.
Ur history is packed with slavery. .both mentally and physically

MorrowCaligari:
Our unique tubali architecture speaks for itself, if sculpting is what you're talking about then it's against our religion. We had an organised writing script, we could read and write when your people didn't even know what a book was. There are a lot of Hausa works of literature if only you weren't too stu.pid comment without checking.

organised? Borrowed script from the arabs who picked you up from slave markets? All the way to sudan. .Hausa slaves everywhere

Damn! Ur kind are the most enslaved in all of africa

MorrowCaligari:
I have never denied that, you guys are truly professional slaves. one would argue that slavery is all youre good for.


And where is the evidence to support this socalled large number of hausa or fulani slaves? hausa states even though never united never sold each other, it was the sort of situation where i can punish my brother but if you touch him i will beat the living sh.it out of you, ask the Songhais what kebbi did to them, incase you didnt know, the songhais won kano and katsina in war and forced the king of kano to marry the daughter of their king, shortly after that, Kebbi, decimated them.

what made things worse for you is that you were dis organized ans so close to the sea, they just have to pack you up like sardines and off you went.

says the northern mofo whose people were castrated by arabs on the long road through the Sahara.

Not to forget how Oyo and Songhai sold you off to Europeans on a regular basis
The senegambian chores were littering with swollen eyed fulani mofos ready to be taken as slaves

MorrowCaligari:
Says someone who comes from the most enslaved race in the world. If a dna test shows that 80-85 % of slaves in the US are either Igbo or Yoruba, my guess is yoruba's outnumber Igbos, but where are the Hausas you claimed to sell? Looool! You are a clown! Songhais never took hausa slaves btw, but the hausas states were one of the major exporters of slaves back then, so you and your inferior minions must have suffered, it's nothing to be proud of, but that's just the truth. We chained your people, and sold them like we'd sell cows or horses, cause back then to us, there's no difference.

Lol. But when we start listing African Americans with yoruba ancestry. .people on this forum would attack saying yorubas were of little numbers. .

While the truth is, Yoruba were unfortunately taken as slaves by Dahomeans and sold to Europeans to be taken to the Americas


You still can't match the horrors the Alaafin's Eso snd Ibadan gave you northerners. .
Hausa and fulani still make up a large number of slaves that arrived in the US and other countries

MorrowCaligari:
Oooh shuut up! Don't be a whiny little b.itch, this is one argument you can't win.

He visited the great African civilizations, he left you out for obvious reasons. No hard feelings mate.

So you can really say sokoto caliphate is an African civilization? Pls what culture did we get from sokoto? A state filled with so much non African elements?
The Khoisan people show a better "African civilization"

donnie:
What I quoted is the Word of God from a book that neither history, science nor philosophy has been able to disprove.

History, science and common sense has disproved all so called holy books. I don't know where you get these things you say

MorrowCaligari:
Lool! Now you've just lost the plot. We can proudly say that we have no slave masters, can you?

MorrowCaligari:
The europeans were busy exporting them like chickens.

While their slaves were scattered all through hausa states, especially during the time of Muhammad Rumfa.

It is very well known fact that it was the north that influenced Oyo to adopt a cavalry. And their horses were gotten from the North.

I can see you want to deny the fact that hausas and fulanis were sold to Europeans. .. guess what? We yorubas, alongside Songhai sold them

BTW Ur Case is worse than physical slavery, ur people are in mental slavery...to the arabs
Oh I forgot, arabs had u lot as physical slaves too

MorrowCaligari:
Now I know youre an idiott. The official language of the sokoto caliphate was hausa, mor.on, even the fulbes spoke hausa. But the script used for writing was a sort of Arabic script called ajami.

The fact that you didn't know this, proves what I suspected, you're a bellend.


As for us not being very intellectual, Loool!. Believe that at your own peril is all I have to say.

Ogbeni you got nothing to defend yourself. There's no caliphate that doesn't place high importance on arabic. Sokoto surely had hausa as its official language but arabic was not lagging behind... of course, when islam was the very reason the caliphate was established

MorrowCaligari:
Actually, the Songhais victory only lasted a few years on Hausa states as another hausas state, Kebbi chased them out. That's the thing about hausa states, they were hardly United, but we're independently powerful. Now imagine the sokoto caliphate which United the whole hausa states and try comparing it to Oyo. Comparing Oyo to Kano alone is a great insult to Kano, now you're comparing it to something that encompasses, Gobir, Kebbi, Kano, Katsina and more? You my friend and all who support you are dunces


The only reason the Kanem Bornu and Songhai weren't concerned with Oyo and co. Was because they weren't relevant enough.

Hausa states like kano and katsina, excelled in trade and were competing for control of the trans Saharan trade, where was Oyo? Smh

You core northern folks are known to not be very intellectual. .I expected you to not display this proudly.

So you think a power that held many yoruba city-states plus nupeland, Borgu, All gbe-language speaking areas plus the Akyem Akans can be easily downplayed? What did Sokoto hold? HAUSA states that spoke the same language and dominated by one religion. Compare to what Oyo held together - people of different spiritual standards, Culture and language. ..Oyo was mighty enough to influence the language of its vassals ... what language did Sokoto influence? Sokoto infact used a foreign tongue - arabic. . Like a slave's camp or something

Oyo traded with the Songhai and Malians

donnie:
Believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you. -Acts 1:8

And what power have you received? You should not sell a fraud pls

willow0803:
Can you just shut up please, i pray you repent before you meet your end. useless diabolic people. God forbid , i can never serve any idol because of tradition. No wonder there is no progress in south western states! every where is poverty, ogun state is the capital of ritual killings yet you want me to be proud of such tradition. Thank God im Igbo.

pls if you call south western states poverty, no progress what shall we say of the south east? A region plagued by erosion and lack of development or significant commercial value. . I don't see why igbos run away from their homes if south east is a paradise

Most ritual killings are done by rogues, many of whom are igbos bringing their art from the east. No Olorisa or babalawo would indulge in that

You should be sorry you are Igbo cus ur culture and traditions are on the path to extinction...Ur Spirituality is already dead in fact. . Which is a sorry thing

kaura5000:
Compare that to Kano and Borno... Kano and other Hausa city states that were predecessors of sokoto caliphate were around as early as 8th century while Borno was even much earlier... Kano and Timbuktu were great center of trade what was oyo jungle known for.. Don't even delve to the area of indigo dying because that one is clear as daylight... It was Hausa merchant that introduced indigo dye to Yoruba Tuareg kanuri Fulani Bambara songhay etc... In the history of west Africa oyo was never a major power... Don't tell me that lie that oyo conquered songhay empire because it was moroccons and the great Hausa warrior Kontal kanta who was the ruler of the western part of songhay empire that coinciding with some parts of hausaland help in the decline of the songhay empire

indigo dye is a sacred art of yoruba culture attributed to the Goddess Osun. Yoruba sacred arts are never borrowed but indigenous

I dnt think anyone says oyo brought the decline of songhay but after songhay, Oyo were the giants of west africa. . Even Benin has a rival achievements in art and economic importance with sokoto.


The Songhai and Borno empires are known to have beaten hausa strongholds down silly. .. so what are you talking about

kaura5000:
Before oyo there was existence of independent Hausa states who are more advanced economically militarily than oyo individually as many adventurers and explorers attest to... Have you read Leo Africans. Testimony of his visit to Hausa empire songhay and Borno in the 14th century... I repeat there is never a time in history that oyo is more progressive than Hausa city states.. Economically Hausa city is the southern terminal of trans Saharan trade... Militarily you heard of queen Amina of zazzau expeditions.. The Hausa city states had been using cavalry even before the creation of oyo which terrain doesn't support large cavalry because of tsetse fly infection... Hausa developed system of writing before oyo Hausa introduced indigo in the western Sudan even exporting to Timbuktu... Do you know Kano was the first sultanate to have constitution in the early 14th century written by a the great North African scholar almaghili... Why is it there is no any verifiable contact between oyo and all major empire in west Africa... They is no visit of adventures like Leo Africans visit to Hausa city states songhay and Borno up to now Nubia which testifies to greatness of those places.... Tell me one major adventurer that visit the king of oyo jungle and wrote a book just like Leo Africans wrote about Hausa city states and Timbuktu

Are you really this dumb or just being insincere?

You opened a thread to talk about sokoto which only lasted for 100 years and was not the most important state of west africa (except for 10 years after the collapse of Borno and Oyo)
After being shamed you switch to hausa city states?
OK boy! Yorubaland was also structured into city states. .
And it's on record that Yorubaland was the most urbanized area of subsaharan africa with its many impressive city-states.
Ijebu being the first to trade with the Europeans in this part of africa, Fire arms manufacturers developed in Ijebu.
The glorious art works of Ife and Owo city-states
The Naval force of Iwere (itsekiri) employed by the Benin Empire

x123xlolls:
You're not always right, your discovery is something very weak,neglectable & useless.

why should we believe someone that cant think why His creator created him?

Why we should consider taking a command from a creature that hv no direction in its life, no way of life, no instructions from its merciful God?

Why are atheist cant reason with their brains? not seeing what is around them and happening?

Bro, get a life & find a guider, a God to serve, a good path that can lead you to victory....

if not, your life is meaningless, you come for something in this world, but when you are here your mind is diverted by devils to the extent you cannot even think about what brought you to the world, as a result....... YOU LOST HERE AND THEREAFTER.

Pls switch on and trigger your brain to 'ON' condition so that you can begin thinking and reasoning with it...because I can see from ur posts that actually your brain is SHUTTED down...

Get life bro..
#IhateMindlessBeasts

see who's giving advice on "brain and path to life"
If you are yoruba at all, you would know that all men are born with their own Ori. . Who is the guide to life. Nobody needs a dumb jehovah or impotent allah to live life. . Not everyone is a christian or muslim. .so allah and Jehova cannot be the way.

Trust your Eleda (Ori)


Btw im nt an atheist... I can't believe u are this dumb. ..ok actually I believe it

willow0803:
Diabolic ethnic group ,, sometimes i wonder why both the indigenous versions of islam and christainity in yorubaland all have elements of voodoo. Why? alfa na juju, cele church na juju. Can't you all serve God in truth and in spirit? i condemn this! ifa ko afa ni Chai, Tufiakwa!!!

Another moronic bastard slave. Try to understand people before you judge, respect a people's culture and Spirituality, be proud of your African identity. .
All these imported gods from mecca and Jerusalem are nothing. .they just destroy civilizations

lawani:
Nimrod was an ancestor of Arabs, not an Arab in the modern sense of the word. Those people, ancient Arabs were more like ancient Celts or ancient Yoruba people or modern non religious Yoruba people. All peoples were basically thesame under God and Ife people believed fervently that all humans are their long lost brothers, so no qualms about making an Indian, Russian, Chinese or Celt a King in Ife. Their outlook to life was different from the modern way. Oduduwa mentioned Nimrod, the way you will mention Oduduwa today, to fellow Meccans he would have mentioned the name of his direct father. Oduduwa had no Arab/Muslim influence and any influence he brought was absorbed into the much older Ife sedentary culture.

How do you know Oduduwa mentioned Nimrod? How come Ife chiefs don't know any Nimrod?
What are you saying? Oduduwa was arab but had no Arabian influence Wtf!

Btw I think I've told you once before that there's no proof a "Nimrod" existed. Ninurta is the Summerian deity of hunt and war. ..similar to what yoruba see as Ogun. The patron City of Ninurta is what the arabs call "Namrud" . The genesis authors were just ignorant of what they were trying to copy from the Mesopotamian nations. .hence to the hebrews "Nimrod" became a great hunter warrior who established Summer

kaura5000:
Today i was reading oyo empire the yoruba guy tried to denounce any northern influence including the introduction horses as cavalry.. he made a big lie vy saying oyo was the most political important state in west africa in 17 to18 century..which is a lie. .. the sokoto caliphate was the most important... Another lie which he says hausa kanuri and nupe slaves were soldiers in oyo which is a lie.. where did you get hausa slaves you local champions.. if anything is the other way round.. yoruba slaves are all over sokoto caliphate,cuba,brazil, etc.. yoruba are the most enslaved people in the world

Ah! Ethnic sentiments. .I understand but chill. ..if you can


And was sokoto caliphate in existence during the 17th- 18th century? Wasn't it Dan fodio the jihadist who founded it in 1809 and the British defeated it in 1903. Sokoto lasted roughly 100 years. .compare that to Oyo empire - 1400 - 1836

It's generally believed that after the Songhai empire in the late 16th century, oyo rose even more powerful, extending to the Akyem and Ga people of modern Ghana to the West and Niger state to the north and maintaining it's Cultural, political and economic influence till its final collapse and take over by the British

While I wouldn't say Oyo was the most economical and political important empire in west africa, it sure was greater than sokoto from 1809 till it's decline in 1836 due to the independence and later attacks from Ilorin. Ilorin was its military camp, most of Oyo defense and commerce was stationed at Ilorin

Alongside Oyo, Borno was the top empire in west africa in the 17th/18th century, which fell to Rabih Fadlallah in 1893...so what chance did Sokoto have to become the most important empire in west africa? How many years did that last 1893-1903 10 years?


Well, you can delude yourself, it's like the new thing now. But you cannot change the fact that Yorubas kept Hausa, Nupe, Ebira and Fulani as slaves...IMO Oyo had an obsession with slaves, it's people demanded slaves as tribute from their tributary states of Dahomey and Nupe, yorubas also bought slaves from the north and transported them through Ilorin, where most stayed tending to the Alaafin's cavalry.
When Afonja wanted to secede from Oyo, he recruited Many of these slaves..
Yoruba never sold fellow yorubas until very late into the transatlantic slave trade

IchieDi:
it is your Mohammed that has spread evil like wild fire all in d name of Jihad. Are u blind

Oh pls! The world would have been better off without both Mohammed and jesus

Jst look at you, quick to attack Mohammed in defence of a Jew

Or are you jewish like the op wants you to believe?

kayfra:
It's a controlled study, so the results have been repeated some amount of time. The "back to Africa" theory is quite out there if you search, but I wanted to stick to funded research study with meaning.

This blog has a lot of literature. Apparently the presence of Eurasian genes csn be as high as 6-7% admixture.

http://dienekes..com/2015/10/west-eurasian-admixture-throughout.html?m=1


This also controlled study "Ancient west Eurasian ancestry in southern and eastern Africa" which also touches Yoruba. Some of the tribes we mixed with inherited some white genes.

http://m.pnas.org/content/111/7/2632.full

Yes, I believe some of the people we mixed with inherited some white genes. But still a long shot.
This proposed Eurasian gene could have come anyway possible ..7500 years ago?
Isn't it supposed to be insignificant already?

lawani:
Lamurudu is not an orisa, he was a Sumerian, the name obviously was dropped by the Meccan as a signature to guide future generations wanting to know his origin. The name stands out like a sore thumb and has done the work for which it was intended. It has long being known that the Yoruba has non zero Neanderthal genetic component to the amazement of geneticist. The discovery of the remains of a man who lived around 4500 years ago in Ethiopia merely gave us a lead, a material to compare present day genes with. No people are isolated but some cultures are more recent than others.

ok so no people are isolated means that oduduwa (a Meccan, according to you) had a Sumerian ancestor he always introduced as his father?

But why is yoruba culture short of arab influence? The Obaship is nothing like what came out of the Arab world... can you explain that?
AS My brother 9jacrip has said.. there's a school of thought that Oduduwa was from Oke Ora area. .

kayfra:
"Our finding of ancient Eurasian admixture corroborates findings of non-zero Neanderthal ancestry in Yoruba, which is likely to have been introduced through Eurasian admixture and back migration, possibly facilitated by greening of the Sahara desert during this period13, 14."

Neanderthal didn't roam around in Africa.

Well, a back migration seems interesting
But how reliable is this? 7500 years ago. .
Btw were the adequate samples taken as specimen?
Yorubas have never been an isolated people. We mingle with people we come across. ..what about recent migrations into Yorubaland from Edo, northern nigeria, other parts of west africa, brazil

Na wa o. One police officer is fanning herself or somebody and the next thing is to start talking about their policies in the UK and usa
Jobless people

I'm not surprised. Expect anything from pastors and their children

7,500 to 10,000 years ago. . long past
Probably neanderthal remnants mixing with Homo sapiens of central Africa. .before the ancestors of the likes of yoruba, igbo etc moved westwards

Aren't there elements shared between all languages of the same linguistic classification?

lawani:
Lamurudu is Nimrod, the first post flood King of Sumeria over 5 thousand years ago. He was no father of Oduduwa but an ancestor. If I landed in 10th century China and they made me King, I would describe myself as a son of Oduduwa because I know it will be traceable in future, not because he was my direct father.

. What is the oriki of Lamurudu. At least Oduduwa has an oriki, various shrines. ..a tomb in the care of Obadio
What links Lamurudu to yorubas? Apart From an obvious corruption of the Arabic "Namrud"

Another foolish person. The Ooni has said he wants unity not supremacy battle
You fools are here bringing up excerpts from incompetent historians.

Oduduwa had nothing less than 16 sons. .I expected yorubas to have grown beyond the "7 sons of Okanbi" package by Samuel Johnson

Well, it would be a complete error to describe Ilaje as Offsprings of itsekiri. .
The other way round is more like it

The Eyo attire is of Ijebu influence. ..see how it bares resemblance with the itsekiri Masquerades above, evidence of Ijebu influence in itsekiri culture

OPCNAIRALAND:
Hey,
Mr Metaphysical, did you get my email? gladto see you. Remember that paper you asked me if i know Arabic? Please post it here for these people to see. Will you please? Ive really been telling them what you said about that forum where they talked about Ubbad. We need that info here buddy.
Good to see you.


Hey macof, here is the dude. Ask him, if you dont believe me im sure you will believe experts on these talks about Yoruba and Egypt.
Good luck.

Well, being yoruba and having learned much about the ancient Egyptians I can say I've realized a few cultural similarities but nothing strong enough to suggest an Egyptian origin for yorubas. .
if Anything, due to the timeline (most of these similarities occur in pre-dynastic Upper egypt)
I'll say Yoruba culture birthed the Egyptians. ...but of course, experts point to modern Eritrea as the origin of the Egyptians. So you would have to do a lot to prove that Yoruba had a part in the Egyptian Civilization

nedu2000:
Seems the yorubas are short of heros these days

Short to the amount of zero

Only in a country like nigeria where there are no child rights policies by the government

Our president only knows to travel

x123xlolls:
A Pagan once wrote:

Paganism is the default way of life ordained by the Creator

And I made a respond attempt, so I quote a verse from holy Qur'an, Chapter Name: Al-Mumenoon Verse No:115

"Did you think that We
had created you in play
(without any purpose), and
that you would not be
brought back to Us?"

I wish the Pagan will respond to my......

Yes. . I made that statement. .good you quoted that brilliant sentence

When I made that statement, I thought through history and culture of all the people of the world I have learned about. .
I realized, all humanity, what ever continent, race etc Were all Pagans. . PAGANISM IS THE DEFAULT MODE OF ALL PEOPLE
And Paganism will reemerge all over eventually


While your brain is caged in a book, my mind is expansive and not restricted. Try breaking free from the intellectual bondage of islam